**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 26 02:59:57 2013
Jul 26 05:53:52 <AndrewX192> solution to the N900 short battery life problem: http://i.imgur.com/bCXzf9d.jpg
Jul 26 07:04:12 <SAiF> ^^ Andrew..   LOL. 
Jul 26 07:17:09 <sixwheeledbeast> I find the battery fine for daily use. If I go away I take my Yoobao but this is the same with most "smartphones".
Jul 26 07:38:52 <kerio> i wonder, will this battery last 3 and a half hours with music playback through a2dp and irc over 3g?
Jul 26 07:42:48 <kerio> ah shit, i'm an idiot
Jul 26 07:42:53 <kerio> i do have a second battery
Jul 26 07:42:55 <kerio> at home
Jul 26 09:16:50 <drathir> kerio: this is a long time...
Jul 26 09:17:23 <drathir> on battery...
Jul 26 12:17:21 <kerio> it survived
Jul 26 12:17:30 <kerio> with like a third of battery left
Jul 26 12:17:34 <kerio> i wasn't on IRC all the time though
Jul 26 13:32:37 <Pali> kerio: let me know if last applet & hald addon fixing your problem
Jul 26 13:34:45 <kerio> ~pali
Jul 26 13:34:45 <infobot> well, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/
Jul 26 13:35:28 <kerio> Pali: btw, you're using a self-signed certificate on your wobsite
Jul 26 13:35:45 <kerio> please don't
Jul 26 13:39:18 <DocScrutinizer05> HEHE
Jul 26 13:40:59 <DocScrutinizer05> some think it's better to allow encryption of web/html content by a uncertified selfsigned SSL-cert, maybe to avoid evil MITM attacks on their highly sensitive content
Jul 26 13:41:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I recently ran into a https://youtube.com link ;-P
Jul 26 13:41:45 <DocScrutinizer05> it actually works!! :-o
Jul 26 13:41:48 <kerio> youtube's cert isn't self-signed
Jul 26 13:41:50 <kerio> of course it does
Jul 26 13:41:57 <kerio> HTTPS Everywhere is neat
Jul 26 13:42:11 <DocScrutinizer05> of course? ask your cpu what it thinks about "of course"
Jul 26 13:42:32 <kerio> "this is your cpu" "this is your cpu on encryption"
Jul 26 13:42:39 <DocScrutinizer05> HEHE
Jul 26 13:42:43 <Raimu-X_> Depends on machine power
Jul 26 13:42:50 <kerio> and presence of hw crypto
Jul 26 13:43:00 <kerio> ...by the way, doesn't the n900 have hw crypto?
Jul 26 13:43:09 <Raimu-X_> I would not like to access everything on https with a n900
Jul 26 13:43:10 <kerio> Pali: aw shit, new system-services update
Jul 26 13:43:21 <kerio> i'm backupping before doing anything here
Jul 26 13:43:29 <NIN101> kerio: afaik it does, and also afaik nobod got it working.
Jul 26 13:43:36 <Hurrian> Raimu-X_: OMAP hw crypto is broken on the N900's SoC
Jul 26 13:43:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I for the life of mine couldn'zt think of a reason to download YT content in encrypted form
Jul 26 13:43:49 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: logging in?
Jul 26 13:43:50 <Raimu-X_> Hurrian: I know that
Jul 26 13:43:54 <kerio> although that's google accounts nowadays
Jul 26 13:43:54 <Hurrian> it's not actually much faster than CPU encryption
Jul 26 13:44:06 <kerio> Hurrian: does it run in parallel, though?
Jul 26 13:44:18 <kerio> it's the same as not using the dsp for music because the battery consumption is the same
Jul 26 13:44:23 <kerio> it would still let me do more things
Jul 26 13:44:40 <kerio> ~rescueOS
Jul 26 13:44:41 <infobot> rescue-os is probably http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/
Jul 26 13:44:48 <Hurrian> kerio: forgot, lemme lookup the benches for it
Jul 26 13:45:32 <Hurrian> it was on the mailing list, iirc, ending in "needs to flash a new NOLO, might break corner cases with kernels, WONTBOTHER"
Jul 26 13:46:13 <kerio> those bug statuses should be a real thing
Jul 26 13:49:23 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: why haven't i made a backupOS yet?
Jul 26 13:50:42 <miniyo> hi guys, my n900 is behaving badly, after rebooting into backupmenu and doing fsck.ext3 -y on home, it takes several minutes until exits with a segmentation fault :'(
Jul 26 13:50:49 <NIN101> call tar from rescueOS, done. 
Jul 26 13:51:09 <kerio> NIN101: indeed
Jul 26 13:51:25 <kerio> miniyo: the stock e2fsprogs are as old as dirt
Jul 26 13:51:32 <kerio> and they probably segfault as much as dirt, too
Jul 26 13:51:55 <kerio> http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/adv_tectonics/faults/fault29.jpg <- like this
Jul 26 13:52:22 <kerio> and even with recent versions, the benefits of doing fsck on flash are uncertain at best
Jul 26 13:52:36 <kerio> especially the crappy emmc we have on the n900
Jul 26 13:52:47 <kerio> mkfs and untar
Jul 26 13:52:52 <miniyo> kerio: what about rescueos?
Jul 26 13:52:56 <kerio> what about it?
Jul 26 13:53:00 <kerio> oh
Jul 26 13:53:04 <kerio> it should be slightly more recent
Jul 26 13:53:11 <miniyo> I'll try that
Jul 26 13:53:25 <kerio> your /home is toast, anyway
Jul 26 13:53:30 <kerio> you ran the stock fsck on it
Jul 26 13:53:38 <kerio> unpack your backup
Jul 26 13:53:46 <miniyo> the backupmenu
Jul 26 13:53:59 <miniyo> one
Jul 26 13:54:04 <kerio> sure
Jul 26 13:54:08 <kerio> that's a full backup
Jul 26 13:54:42 <miniyo> but I don't use backupmenu to backup
Jul 26 13:55:14 <miniyo> so, backupmenu fsck probably has damaged even more home ?
Jul 26 13:55:22 <kerio> why don't you use backupmenu to backup?
Jul 26 13:55:28 <kerio> it's literally the one thing it's supposed to do
Jul 26 13:55:50 <miniyo> right, I should
Jul 26 13:56:02 <miniyo> but never did, I use rsync on live fs
Jul 26 13:56:38 <kerio> well
Jul 26 13:56:41 <kerio> you still have a full backup then
Jul 26 13:56:44 <miniyo> yes
Jul 26 13:56:51 <kerio> yay
Jul 26 13:56:54 <miniyo> :)
Jul 26 13:57:19 <kerio> Pali: is the new system-services confirmed working, even for differently-fstabbed people?
Jul 26 14:04:05 <kerio> Pali!
Jul 26 14:04:08 <kerio> it works!
Jul 26 14:08:03 <SAiF> :)
Jul 26 14:15:55 <kerio> it's amazing!
Jul 26 14:17:11 <Pali> kerio: it is not my server, but university server and we do not trust CAs :-)
Jul 26 14:17:58 <Pali> kerio: yes system-services from cssu-devel should work with any, but correct fstab file
Jul 26 14:18:14 <Pali> if not, report bug
Jul 26 14:29:42 <kerio> Pali: well, previous versions caused various flavours of bootloops ;)
Jul 26 14:32:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen jacekowski
Jul 26 14:32:22 <infobot> jacekowski <jacekowski@jacekowski.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 52d 5h 9m 5s ago, saying: 'but probably all you need is pretty much standard ivr type system'.
Jul 26 14:33:08 <win7mac> ~seen Ima
Jul 26 14:33:09 <infobot> win7mac: i haven't seen 'ima'
Jul 26 14:33:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen lma
Jul 26 14:33:19 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'lma'
Jul 26 14:34:52 <DocScrutinizer05> #jollamobile, or #nemo*, iirc
Jul 26 14:36:07 <win7mac> last seen lma on tmo: 06-22-2013
Jul 26 14:36:33 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jul 26 14:36:48 <DocScrutinizer05> but I've seen him on IRC lately, too
Jul 26 14:37:10 <Pali> kerio: ok
Jul 26 14:37:18 <Pali> kerio: and that problem with charger?
Jul 26 14:37:33 <kerio> Pali: not sure, my battery is full now :)
Jul 26 14:37:36 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe I'm mixing up nicks
Jul 26 14:37:38 <Pali> ok
Jul 26 14:37:55 <win7mac> ~seen lma does not work in #jollamobile
Jul 26 14:37:57 <infobot> i haven't seen 'lma does not work in #jollamobile', win7mac
Jul 26 14:38:42 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: NIN101: please consider using/exploiting your garage webspace
Jul 26 14:39:11 <Pali> what?
Jul 26 14:39:40 <DocScrutinizer05> you know you can host files and other content on your garage project website?
Jul 26 14:40:00 <NIN101> I prefer my own server to be honest.
Jul 26 14:40:40 <kerio> oh right, i have to download the new rescueOS
Jul 26 14:40:58 * DocScrutinizer05 too :-(
Jul 26 14:41:05 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: my garage project website?
Jul 26 14:41:13 <Pali> do I have one?
Jul 26 14:41:31 * kerio can offer hosting
Jul 26 14:41:35 <kerio> web hosting
Jul 26 14:41:45 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: well, you probably *ought* have one
Jul 26 14:42:01 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: but he has that weird self-signed web host!
Jul 26 14:42:02 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: thanks, but that's not what we need
Jul 26 14:42:29 <Pali> I'm happy with university server and specialy with admins :-)
Jul 26 14:42:40 <Pali> My website is running on haskell :-)
Jul 26 14:42:53 <miniyo> do you know if rescueos charging is reliable?
Jul 26 14:43:09 <Pali> rescueos charging should work
Jul 26 14:43:17 <miniyo> Pali: thanks
Jul 26 14:43:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ohgreat! so it's for sure no problem you create an automatic backup to maemo.org of your haskell website
Jul 26 14:43:44 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: fo' srs, though, i have a guaranteed 200Mbps connection and more resources that i need, so if the need arises...
Jul 26 14:44:23 <kerio> this server is a beast, and it's only used for the irc shell of the dude who's paying for it, a public nethack server, a private mumble server and some sporadic minecraft
Jul 26 14:45:00 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: I doubt the benefits of moving from one non-maemo-related server to an arbitrary other one non-related server
Jul 26 14:45:25 <kerio> but i have 31gb of free ram :(
Jul 26 14:45:28 <Pali> and whats problem with self-signed certificate? if you have buggy web browser, do not use SSL for my webpage
Jul 26 14:45:43 <kerio> hm, this makes me wonder
Jul 26 14:45:52 <kerio> does chrome "accept" the self-signed cert?
Jul 26 14:46:01 <kerio> by showing a broken lock icon or something
Jul 26 14:46:05 <kerio> instead of showing an error page
Jul 26 14:46:19 <Pali> I do not care about broken web browser
Jul 26 14:46:27 <kerio> ~pali
Jul 26 14:46:27 <infobot> somebody said pali was http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/
Jul 26 14:46:40 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: not interested in your SSL. it's about backups and consolidation, saving content for times when random other servers will eventually get nuked or bork or whatever
Jul 26 14:46:41 <kerio> nope, chrome shows an error page too
Jul 26 14:47:01 <kerio> safari is the quickest you can get rid of
Jul 26 14:47:14 <Pali> I can proof that security via SSL is at least same as via plain text HTTP
Jul 26 14:47:51 <kerio> strictly more, i'd say
Jul 26 14:48:09 <kerio> ~rescueos
Jul 26 14:48:09 <infobot> i heard rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/
Jul 26 14:48:16 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: what are you waiting for? wget dat shit
Jul 26 14:48:22 <Pali> so why broken web browser show warnings via SSL and via HTTP not??
Jul 26 14:48:25 <kerio> wget --dat-shit http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/
Jul 26 14:48:27 <Pali> somewhere is problem
Jul 26 14:48:40 <NIN101> he already wgeted rescueos. and everyone is welcome to do so.
Jul 26 14:48:49 <kerio> not rescueos, pali's things
Jul 26 14:48:52 <NIN101> oh
Jul 26 14:48:59 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: I'm putting every package to extras-devel
Jul 26 14:49:04 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: I can't do stuff like that for every of you devels out there
Jul 26 14:49:10 <kerio> Pali: yeah but your website is useful too
Jul 26 14:49:15 <Pali> so it is on maemo
Jul 26 14:49:33 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: ...actually, why not?
Jul 26 14:49:50 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: when there's no additional stuff missing on maemo that lives on your private site only, then I'm fine with that
Jul 26 14:49:58 <kerio> there's not!
Jul 26 14:50:02 <kerio> i mean, there is!
Jul 26 14:50:38 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: I will relase final version of rx51-bme-replacement in next weeks, info will be also on TMO
Jul 26 14:51:04 <Pali> this is I think the only one part which is not in/on cssu/extras-devel/tmo/maemo.org
Jul 26 14:51:48 <Pali> btw, I will be without internet next week...
Jul 26 14:52:06 <kerio> ok, mirrored pali's website
Jul 26 14:52:30 <Pali> recursive wget should be enought for that
Jul 26 14:52:32 <kerio> yup
Jul 26 14:54:17 <kerio> Pali: omg, your rx51-bme-replacement directory is a repo
Jul 26 14:54:21 <kerio> i didn't know
Jul 26 14:54:29 <Pali> yes, it is prepared for release
Jul 26 14:56:41 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: maybe apt repo for bme replacement could be candidate for garage maemo hosting
Jul 26 14:56:50 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: is this possible?
Jul 26 14:57:26 <miniyo> kerio: a curious note: 15G inside lost+found after fsck
Jul 26 14:58:02 <miniyo> I managed to run a debian 7 chroot fsck.ext3, but after the damage was done with stock one
Jul 26 14:58:16 <kerio> miniyo: fun!
Jul 26 14:58:19 <miniyo> yea
Jul 26 14:58:28 <kerio> anyway, http://pali.acehack.de
Jul 26 14:58:46 <miniyo> which is the correct way to fsck root? it's fs type is ubifs, is fsck.ext3 the right tool?
Jul 26 14:59:01 <kerio> no
Jul 26 14:59:12 <kerio> it would be fsck.ubifs
Jul 26 14:59:14 <kerio> if it existed
Jul 26 14:59:16 <kerio> but it doesn't
Jul 26 14:59:21 <miniyo> may I lol?
Jul 26 14:59:25 <Pali> miniyo: ubifs has in kernel fsck
Jul 26 14:59:35 <miniyo> oh, good to know, thanks
Jul 26 14:59:42 <kerio> yeah, there's builtin recovery of some sorts
Jul 26 14:59:46 <kerio> and some background garbage collector, too
Jul 26 15:00:05 <kerio> extfs also has a builtin recovery mechanism
Jul 26 15:00:09 <kerio> but sometimes it's not enough
Jul 26 15:00:31 <miniyo> I'll do regular offline fsck.ext3 on home from now on
Jul 26 15:00:43 <kerio> cssu has a more recent e2fsprogs version
Jul 26 15:01:02 <Pali> miniyo: in cssu-devel there is support for it
Jul 26 15:01:25 <kerio> miniyo: but homefs is barely 3gb
Jul 26 15:01:31 <miniyo> I'm on cssu-testing
Jul 26 15:01:43 <kerio> fsck is going to be slower than tar&&mkfs&&untar
Jul 26 15:01:53 <miniyo> my Mydocs was shrink to 2Gb, and home grown to eat it all
Jul 26 15:02:03 <Pali> :D
Jul 26 15:02:21 <miniyo> yea, it is a joke having a full linux mobile, and using fat
Jul 26 15:02:39 <kerio> meh, MyDocs keeps my music
Jul 26 15:02:46 <Pali> and worse joke is using ptp/mtp
Jul 26 15:04:25 <kerio> just use ntp
Jul 26 15:04:27 <kerio> er
Jul 26 15:04:28 <kerio> nfs
Jul 26 15:04:32 <kerio> don't use ntp to transfer files
Jul 26 15:04:37 <kerio> it's not meant to do that
Jul 26 15:04:44 <Pali> kerio: you do not need to backup whoole site, just maemo projects is maybe enough...
Jul 26 15:04:55 <kerio> Pali: it's much easier to do everything
Jul 26 15:04:59 <kerio> and your website is less than 2MB
Jul 26 15:05:44 <Pali> ok, just to prevent spam harvesters...
Jul 26 15:07:23 <kerio> "More ISPs and other servers monitoring network traffic, so do not forget to encrypt message with my GPG key 03E44352!"
Jul 26 15:07:30 <kerio> are they monitoring us now? D:
Jul 26 15:07:48 <kerio> like if i said, hypothetically, bomb the pentagon
Jul 26 15:08:15 <kerio> or illegal plutonium
Jul 26 15:08:21 <kerio> or barbra streisand
Jul 26 15:08:39 <Raimu-X_> Or I missed the landing teaching in my flight school
Jul 26 15:15:09 <Pali> NSA for sure
Jul 26 15:34:10 <miniyo> wow, rsync from rescueOS to root/home, I'm back to the past
Jul 26 15:34:17 <miniyo> but everything works 
Jul 26 15:34:42 <miniyo> backup is made from live system, with rsync also, never tried a restore :D
Jul 26 16:23:36 <Guest99485> my powertop states c0 98.5 percent but i cannot find any culprit process behind it. please help
Jul 26 18:18:01 <SpeedEvil> Guest99485 - have you relogged under another name?
Jul 26 18:19:27 <sixwheeledbeast> I did wonder this, if so pastebin your powertop OP
Jul 26 18:23:12 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management
Jul 26 18:33:05 <DocScrutinizer05> unplug charger
Jul 26 18:33:14 <SpeedEvil> That too, yeah.
Jul 26 20:15:29 <NeutrinoPower> did someone used the internal serial-Port of the N900? can I control the N900 through this COM-Port or have I to enable this port?
Jul 26 20:16:13 <SpeedEvil> What do you mean by internal serial port?
Jul 26 20:20:46 <Lava_Croft> NeutrinoPower: http://elektranox.org/n900/adapter/index.html
Jul 26 20:21:02 <NeutrinoPower> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking
Jul 26 20:23:53 <NeutrinoPower> will I have a terminal with this RS232-interface after booting?
Jul 26 20:28:58 <SpeedEvil> In principle, yes, if you use an appropriate voltage adaptor, and have a kernel which is configured to do so.
Jul 26 20:29:03 <SpeedEvil> Why?
Jul 26 20:30:28 <Lava_Croft> hey look, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8vKnSx_cPW0
Jul 26 20:30:33 <Lava_Croft> cm getting a decent camera app
Jul 26 20:31:51 * SpeedEvil can't youtube right now.
Jul 26 20:31:58 <SpeedEvil> Stupid lighning killed my DSL
Jul 26 20:52:57 <LjL> i'm trying to understand how good a shape my (just bought used) N900's battery is in... bit confused, because the first time i charged it, it charged to 96% (>1200-ish mah), then today it charged to 80% (~1000mah), but then i unplugged the charger and connected it again (even though it was saying "fully charged") and it reached 95% again
Jul 26 20:53:36 <LjL> i don't have advanced power monitor installed, though i had it for a short time yesterday and there might be leftovers. i have battery-eye, BatteryGraph and a battery widget installed
Jul 26 20:56:12 <ShadowJK> They're all rather flippant
Jul 26 20:56:34 <ShadowJK> And only accurate with fresh battery :)
Jul 26 21:10:47 <sixwheeledbeast> Plus they eat battery. good for watching an application eat you juice.
Jul 26 21:17:34 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Jul 26 21:19:32 <DocScrutinizer05> LjL: get bq27k-detail and/or bq27200.sh
Jul 26 21:19:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27k-detail
Jul 26 21:19:46 <infobot> i heard bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2
Jul 26 21:20:15 <DocScrutinizer05> it might lie to you as well, but at least it tells when it lies
Jul 26 21:21:33 * LjL gets
Jul 26 21:21:37 <DocScrutinizer05> but in the end of a day, it doesn't really matter what's (been) the charge of your battery. All that matters is how long your device could run without charging
Jul 26 21:23:06 <DocScrutinizer05> and believe me, very simple little changes in your usage patterns will have way more impact to that standby-figure than any difference between 80% and 95%, no matter if perceived/bogus or real
Jul 26 21:24:15 <DocScrutinizer05> e.g shutting down LCD backlight brightness by one step might already double your battery-lifetime
Jul 26 21:24:56 <DocScrutinizer05> NOT using battery-eye and other similar meters may increase standby time by factor 5 or more
Jul 26 21:26:47 <ecc2g> is battery-eye that bad in terms of power consumption? wow...
Jul 26 21:27:09 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management
Jul 26 21:27:12 <ecc2g> I was thinking about all the writes it needs to do, that definitely doesn't help.
Jul 26 21:28:16 <LjL> well i didn't intent to keep battery-eye and BatteryGraph installed indefinitely, this is basically... well, partly a green light to give the seller positive feedback :P
Jul 26 21:29:17 <sixwheeledbeast> Any battery monitor application will use process to log the data, use for diagnoses but not long term IMO. Best tool is powertop really.
Jul 26 21:29:48 <LjL> yeah that wiki page mentions powertop, that's a good hint, i knew about it but probably wouldn't have occurred to me
Jul 26 21:30:37 <SpeedEvil> Battery monitors don't use perceptible power, if written correctly.
Jul 26 21:30:42 <DocScrutinizer05> powertop doesn't help for hw sanity checks
Jul 26 21:30:48 <SpeedEvil> Logging power every minute or so does not use noticable power.
Jul 26 21:30:51 <DocScrutinizer05> there's been that healthcheck app
Jul 26 21:31:23 <DocScrutinizer05> SpeedEvil: yeah, but those I checked so far very often had quirks
Jul 26 21:31:52 <DocScrutinizer05> like unconditionally updating graphic display 10/s
Jul 26 21:32:31 <LjL> BatteryGraph has an "update" button, i don't think it updates the display otherwise, and besides, you don't have to keep the actual GUI app running. the background process, though... i have no idea how efficient it is
Jul 26 21:33:05 <DocScrutinizer05> well, THAT will need powertop to tell you
Jul 26 21:33:11 <LjL> heh yep
Jul 26 21:34:06 <DocScrutinizer05> generally lightweight processes are not too bad to battery, even when awaking once per second
Jul 26 21:34:24 <DocScrutinizer05> writing to flash otoh...
Jul 26 21:34:53 <DocScrutinizer05> flash writing is not exactly humble on power
Jul 26 21:35:25 <LjL> the N900's keyboard could use a bunch more keys, methinks
Jul 26 21:37:08 <DocScrutinizer05> with bq27200.sh you can do a simple "test" (rather, experiment): run bq27200.sh 30, and then run it with parameter 5. First one will give you idle figures since it always reads out values of past 5s window. so obviously the second reads own power consumption of last cycle
Jul 26 21:39:06 <DocScrutinizer05> while thanks to beauty of unix and maemo, a sleep nnn doesn't consume any power at all
Jul 26 21:39:43 <SpeedEvil> Also - with properly working power saving wifi - the above sleep 30/... - showing over wifi/ssh - will not use appreciably more power
Jul 26 21:39:56 <DocScrutinizer05> so you could have 50 "running" scripts that all wait on a sleep 3600 and your power consumption is exactly like on a completely idle system
Jul 26 21:40:44 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod: that too. Note that SpeedEvil did large parts (~90%) of wiki power info
Jul 26 21:41:58 <ecc2g> I suspect that battery-eye sleeps a lot, but it definitely needs to write to flash.  I guess I will have to see if I get 5x standby if I disable it...
Jul 26 21:42:02 <DocScrutinizer05> a while :; do :; done though... :-o
Jul 26 21:42:39 <ecc2g> :(){:;:&};: ?
Jul 26 21:42:59 <ecc2g> (if I remember it correctly... ugh.)
Jul 26 21:43:13 <ecc2g> (btw, dont try this, please...)
Jul 26 21:43:26 <DocScrutinizer05> looks correct
Jul 26 21:44:25 <DocScrutinizer05> err, maybe not
Jul 26 21:45:23 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd probably write it like :(){:&;:};:
Jul 26 21:45:58 <ecc2g> yeah that's probably better
Jul 26 21:46:21 <ecc2g> looks like the original one uses | and not ; for the internal function which makes more sense
Jul 26 21:48:50 <DocScrutinizer05> umm
Jul 26 21:52:51 <ecc2g> I also wonder if messybox/ash knows how to run this :) (then again, this should be standard bourne shell...)
Jul 26 22:00:27 <LjL> so, i was reading http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 and am now looking at the bq27k-detail2 output... VDQ = 1, CI = 1, is my understanding correct that this means i should probably let the phone discharge fully without charging it or shutting it down, and after that the battery logic should hopefully be better calibrated?
Jul 26 22:01:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ecc2g: I bet busybox *will* run this
Jul 26 22:02:42 <ecc2g> yeah i suspect it should, as it's only standard bourne shell versus having bashisms
Jul 26 22:03:06 <DocScrutinizer05> while I doubt it would run the cure  trap "" SIGHUP; while killall -sighup busybox; do :; done
Jul 26 22:06:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I had to kill dbus-scripting this way, when I was silly enough to place the script into the hooks config dir
Jul 26 22:07:11 <ecc2g> LjL: word of warning, make sure you kill bme before it drops to around 3.4V, else it will shutdown and never hit EDV1... 
Jul 26 22:07:33 <DocScrutinizer05> it's actually amazing how usable maemo still is with such kind of fork bomb running
Jul 26 22:07:49 <ecc2g> interesting...
Jul 26 22:09:13 <DocScrutinizer05> LjL: err yes.
Jul 26 22:09:28 <ecc2g> honestly i've never forkbombed a computer before, i'll have to try it on one of my junk computers.
Jul 26 22:09:42 <DocScrutinizer05> check dir where you got bq27k-detail from, it should also have a script for calibrating
Jul 26 22:09:48 <LjL> ecc2g: ah, so that page's instructions weren't just so that fancy numbers would show up :P the system doesn't care about the battery being calibrated i guess
Jul 26 22:10:13 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, system doesn't care
Jul 26 22:10:31 <LjL> DocScrutinizer05: that's bq27200.sh no?
Jul 26 22:11:13 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1247595#post1247595
Jul 26 22:12:59 <LjL> ah
Jul 26 22:17:07 <LjL> Last Measured Discharge: 1844mAh - err, right :D
Jul 26 22:17:39 <ecc2g> I got something like that when I first got my n900
Jul 26 22:19:15 <DocScrutinizer05> cycles since last learning is interesting
Jul 26 22:20:31 <DocScrutinizer05> LjL: since calibration is max 1/8 down per learning cycle, you actually might need to run several learning cycles til you reach a correct value for LMD
Jul 26 22:21:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~1844/8*7
Jul 26 22:21:04 <infobot> 1613.5
Jul 26 22:21:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ~1613/8*7
Jul 26 22:21:17 <infobot> 1411.375
Jul 26 22:21:24 <DocScrutinizer05> two or three
Jul 26 22:22:33 <DocScrutinizer05> 1844 might be ILMD, which you get after full reset (battery removed for extended periods of time)
Jul 26 22:22:49 <DocScrutinizer05> see "cycles since last full reset"
Jul 26 22:23:39 <DocScrutinizer05> if both cycle counts are identical, then you obviously have to have ILMD as LMD
Jul 26 22:25:44 <DocScrutinizer05> btw I wrote that little fancy for kerio, who since might have improved it
Jul 26 22:27:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ecc2g: how about forkbombing a VM?
Jul 26 22:27:38 <ecc2g> what fun would that be? :D
Jul 26 22:27:43 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Jul 26 22:27:58 <ecc2g> you know, forkbomb ... UML! HAHAHAHA
Jul 26 22:28:28 <DocScrutinizer05> UML like unified modeling language?
Jul 26 22:29:02 <ecc2g> user mode linux... a fake VM
Jul 26 22:29:07 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah
Jul 26 22:29:54 * DocScrutinizer05 just wondered how to describe a forkbomb in UML
Jul 26 22:32:34 <LjL> DocScrutinizer05: heh i was reading an IRC log from this channel with you and kerio just now, where someone had a 2.7V battery that didn't "flatbatrecover"
Jul 26 22:33:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ummm
Jul 26 22:33:05 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly defect
Jul 26 22:33:23 <LjL> DocScrutinizer05: "Total Cycle Count since last full reset" is indeed 0, i don't know if the fact i factory reset the phone also influences that
Jul 26 22:33:39 <DocScrutinizer05> no, doesn't
Jul 26 22:33:50 <LjL> it's very possible the guy who sold it to me hadn't used it in quite some time, and wisely kept the battery disconnected, anyway
Jul 26 22:34:12 <LjL> although he didn't seem a very "wise" guy considering he had left his ebay login data on the MicroB history :rollseyes:
Jul 26 22:34:48 <DocScrutinizer05> :-P
Jul 26 22:35:43 <DocScrutinizer05> though:
Jul 26 22:35:47 <DocScrutinizer05>    0x76:        45  ILMD Initial Last Measured Discharge High Byte     914  µVh (1)  R/W
Jul 26 22:35:49 <DocScrutinizer05>                     *0x100 * 3.57 / 20 =  2062 mAh fabcoded cell capacity
Jul 26 22:36:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~2062*7/8
Jul 26 22:36:30 <infobot> 1804.25
Jul 26 22:36:35 <DocScrutinizer05> close
Jul 26 22:42:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~1844/8*9
Jul 26 22:42:01 <infobot> 2074.5
Jul 26 22:42:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ~2062*5/6
Jul 26 22:42:51 <infobot> 1718.333333333333
Jul 26 22:46:13 <kerio> i have the fancy .py script if you want
Jul 26 22:58:18 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh, that should live on cloud-7, next to the others
Jul 26 22:59:11 <DocScrutinizer05> damn, there's also been a perl script or sth
Jul 26 23:00:22 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/
Jul 26 23:02:33 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: I think your python lib is missing
Jul 26 23:03:35 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: please also suggest where it should go to. /usr/lib/python/ ?
Jul 27 00:46:53 <GI_Jack> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N950-Silver-Prototype-/261230401221?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3cd28b96c5
Jul 27 01:01:44 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm
Jul 27 01:03:26 <NeutrinoPower> I would buy it if this has OLEDs
Jul 27 01:03:26 <DocScrutinizer05> hey I got a Openmoko GTA03 development protoboard
Jul 27 01:03:59 <GI_Jack> if I remember correctly the only one with fairly intresting hardware specs was the GTA04
Jul 27 01:04:04 <DocScrutinizer05> offers solicited
Jul 27 01:04:27 <GI_Jack> DocScrutinizer05, $5 and a pack of chewing gum
Jul 27 01:05:25 <DocScrutinizer05> there never been a openmoko gta04
Jul 27 01:06:20 <DocScrutinizer05> only plans
Jul 27 01:06:27 <GI_Jack> well golden delicious
Jul 27 01:07:02 <GI_Jack> http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/
Jul 27 01:07:22 <DocScrutinizer05> *shrug* do yu think I dunno this page :-)
Jul 27 01:07:44 <NeutrinoPower> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO-3 this with Mirasol-Display would be awesome too
Jul 27 01:08:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I even got a gta04
Jul 27 01:08:23 <DocScrutinizer05> but that's not sth particularly exciting, that you could ask 4000$ for
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