**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 06 02:59:58 2013 Aug 06 09:03:12 hi all Aug 06 09:03:18 can I use z-push with maemo? Aug 06 09:03:27 any one using it? Aug 06 09:51:13 what's zpush? Aug 06 09:51:16 DrCode: Aug 06 09:53:07 hi Aug 06 09:53:17 its imap push Aug 06 09:53:26 i had to reboot to get Conversations to not show, I thought :( Aug 06 09:53:37 is there option to use MultiPale Mail for exchange account? Aug 06 09:53:38 Lava_Croft: the scrollbar? Aug 06 09:53:41 Sadly, after rebooting I had to kill HD to make em show again Aug 06 09:53:50 oh nvm Aug 06 09:53:53 or only one account? Aug 06 09:53:56 no, ongoing convos showed up empty Aug 06 09:53:58 DrCode: modest is an awful mess Aug 06 09:54:16 yes Aug 06 09:54:20 z-push like nvm Aug 06 09:54:25 modest is modest in its abilities but grand in its sucking Aug 06 09:54:46 what is modest? Aug 06 09:54:59 "Mail" Aug 06 09:55:02 or whatever Aug 06 09:55:52 mail for exchange worked great with gmail or exchange , but I cannot use both on same time Aug 06 09:56:23 I had to use imap account with gmail , is very slow Aug 06 10:45:46 I believe there were some CSSU patches to make modest suck less. Though if modest still blows chunks for you then I wouldn't know what to suggest next, maybe go find a lightweight email reader (somehow). Aug 06 11:31:39 Is modest foss? Aug 06 11:31:46 I may be interested in adding gpg support Aug 06 11:35:59 "modest is available under a BSD-like license. tinymail is available under the terms of the LGPL. Please refer to the source code for the details." -- http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 06 11:48:57 i really should get around to calibrating the battery circuit. it nagged me all evening yesterday about low battery, and then it survived all night and it's still not powered off Aug 06 12:06:24 my qustion Aug 06 12:06:37 can I use 1 MFE to sync multiple accounts? Aug 06 12:06:51 with novysync or z-push? Aug 06 12:06:59 I mean with activesync Aug 06 12:35:40 I think I have found a soluion Aug 06 12:35:42 I will use offlineimap Aug 06 12:35:44 great idea Aug 06 12:36:12 I connect n900 with usb, can I see it has network on my linux? Aug 06 12:39:45 How do you mean? Aug 06 12:56:19 DrCode: ever heard of that company called Google Aug 06 12:56:23 they have this neat search engine Aug 06 12:56:33 you can search for stuff on the web Aug 06 12:56:41 its really cool! Aug 06 13:01:18 Weren't they the guys who started in their garage? Aug 06 13:01:24 I like them. Aug 06 13:02:24 They used to be cool... now they've become an evil necessity. Aug 06 13:06:40 omg omg omg omg Aug 06 13:06:43 backupmenu update Aug 06 13:06:45 omg omg omg omg Aug 06 13:08:42 omg omg omg Aug 06 13:08:46 thumby openmediaplayer Aug 06 13:08:47 omg omg omg Aug 06 13:08:51 freemangordon: omg omg omg Aug 06 13:09:09 no wait Aug 06 13:09:15 lack of thumby openmediaplayer apparently Aug 06 13:09:43 Its available on the same tmo thread (omp thread). Too bad its hosted on some free file sharing host. Aug 06 13:10:23 freemangordon: host openmediaplayer pls Aug 06 13:20:23 psycho_oreos, I wasn't really so concerned about someone hacking the N900... (although it maybe wouldn't be too hard to find now-known vulnerabilities that haven't been patched)... two separate issues a) I wondered if I can check on my own sim-card (not having a gsm/3g carrier under my control) ... and unrelated to that b) if I can check if the eduroam wireless connection uses certificates... because eduroam takes the uni password, which is kind of like the Aug 06 13:20:23 magic wand for anything I have access to at university... Aug 06 13:22:40 a) Not without some fancy tools (I wouldn't know what you need to even begin with, though openmoko hardware may give you some possible pointers. b) No idea, never used eduroam before so I wouldn't know. Aug 06 13:22:57 ~pkg Aug 06 13:22:57 rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Aug 06 13:23:26 On second thoughts, I know some local universities that I've been wandering around in, they use some sort of VPN based access. Aug 06 13:25:15 N900 with a tightened firewall should be able to stop most basic 802.11 based attacks, ultimately it depends on how willing you are in wanting to secure it against 802.11 attacks. Aug 06 13:25:29 it's actually pretty canny... uses some kind of tunneling, so your local university credentials work on all other universities that have it all over the world... and some kind of tunneling only reveals your password to your home university... which then tells the remote one you're ok to join Aug 06 13:26:41 ah damn i think i messed up my N900's wifi somehow Aug 06 13:26:53 I somewhat doubt the same eduroam account would work elsewhere. It all heavily depends on their policies nonetheless. There's that and the need for accountability. Aug 06 13:27:12 I said it's canny :) Aug 06 13:27:38 *shrug* maybe it was a collaborated effort to begin with. Aug 06 13:27:48 LjL-Alps: sudo modprobe -r wl12xx && sudo modprobe wl12xx Aug 06 13:28:22 it worked at 3 different universities (including mine) in germany so far... it didn't work at Northwestern in the US, but I think that just wasn't fully operational, they apparently only had it online for three days when I came there... Aug 06 13:28:47 Maybe also stop wlancond && sleep 3 && start wlancond. Aug 06 13:29:37 as described here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduroam point is kinda... you're a professor or other "visiting scholar", you give a talk somewhere... you just have internet, no hassle. Aug 06 13:31:55 kerio: it goes on when i do that, but it won't connect to my SSID (which is an Android hotspot in AP mode, it worked until 10 minutes ago), saying "Network connection error. Try again?". it stopped working after a reboot, and i kind of played around with stuff like MeeCoLay, which did seem to "upgrade" some system libraries... :\ Aug 06 13:32:15 mh, meecolay only updates qt, i believe Aug 06 13:32:26 I don't think its just that, but it also allows access to target university's libraries as well. Aug 06 13:32:30 oh well... thanks for a), I feard that is so... and for b) ... well, not a too big concern here, I guess Aug 06 13:34:37 a) Its inevitable, N900 itself uses portions of proprietary hardware which nobody would dare to try and tinker with. b) I actually thought there was some software that you had to use to use eduroam. If that's the case, you might be able to (in theory) look for a linux equivalent and somehow port it to maemo. Aug 06 13:35:35 Albeit a) is slightly becoming lesser of the case, there has already been various attempts on other (what was then proprietary) parts of the device. Aug 06 13:37:33 no... it's kind of a regular wpa2 wifi, it only uses eap-ttls or peap to forward the credentials... it's the bit in the FAQ https://www.eduroam.org/index.php?p=faq#safe " The certificate of your home institution is the only point you need to trust regardless of who operates any intermediate infrastructure." that I wonder about... Aug 06 13:37:57 I'm guessing the stuff to do with GSM is tied to CMT, messing around with that may ultimately brick your device iinm. *cough*android*cough* probably has similar stance except the actual GSM modem it seems to be available as a separate file. Aug 06 13:38:16 Oh, my bad. Aug 06 13:39:02 kerio: is there anywhere i can see logs of the connection attempts? or connect from terminal? Aug 06 13:39:15 dmesg. Aug 06 13:39:17 i guess that it'll log to syslog, if it's running Aug 06 13:39:30 oh right, wifi also logs some things to dmesg Aug 06 13:40:41 dmesg show a fair bit of stuff. it appears to be "timing out" while trying to WPA authenticate Aug 06 13:40:58 It gets first seen by dmesg (to lesser extent). Albeit it can only hold a certain amount of information, can't remember but maybe something to do with buffer/message ring. Aug 06 13:41:08 also it says it's using US as regulatory domain, but maybe that's just because i have no SIM inserted, the network is on channel 11 anyway Aug 06 13:41:51 I guess it depends on where you set your locale and *possibly* the firmware you flashed N900 with. Aug 06 13:42:23 it also likes to say "down" and "firmware booted", after that it tries 4 times to authenticate, and times out Aug 06 13:42:40 maybe i should reboot my Android device too, rule out it's its fault (though other computers are connected to it) Aug 06 13:43:24 Firmware booted is to do with the fact that wl1251 is a softMAC based chip (where firmware sits on the host OS) and not inside the actual chipset. Its not that important to know that. Aug 06 13:43:49 then can we please hack that firmware to enable AP mode? ;P Aug 06 13:43:50 down and up is mainly controlled by wlancond iinm. Aug 06 13:43:58 Ask TI. Aug 06 13:45:20 uh... Aug 06 13:45:22 it connected now Aug 06 13:45:25 and i did literally nothing Aug 06 13:45:50 i, uh, opened CSSU Features Configuration, and FAM. don't see how these could be related Aug 06 13:45:51 Besides enabling AP mode, you still need to upgrade the lot of wireless portion within maemo. Aug 06 13:46:16 psycho_oreos: well that sounds easier than reverse engineering a firmware in theory, no? Aug 06 13:46:21 It might also be something to do with range/interference. Aug 06 13:46:50 there should be barely any interference here. well who knows, as long as it works Aug 06 13:46:55 LjL-Alps, that's kinda like expecting wl1251 kernel module to already be as formidable as wl12xx kernel module. Aug 06 13:48:02 psycho_oreos: sorry, i don't understand what you mean. is wl1251 (or wl12xx?) the "bleeding edge" driver with injection? Aug 06 13:49:01 LjL-Alps, wl1251 is the bleeding edge driver that has injection capabilities. If you used wl1251 for anything else apart from rfmon, it tends to crash the device. Aug 06 13:50:05 well i turned it on at some point just to see what it even was (the status bar applet i have offers that option), but then i always used the normal one Aug 06 13:50:06 IOW, wl1251 isn't even stable to begin with, hence we're still using old wl12xx. Aug 06 13:51:11 oh, is it possible the wifi didn't have enough battery juice to actually work? i'm "charging" the N900 by having it connected to a netbook's USB port, and apparently there is 0% battery left Aug 06 13:51:31 Yeah I have a status bar applet that allows me to change it on the fly, but I'm trying to say that if wl1251 was as formidable/stable as wl12xx and that we could just be using one kernel driver for 802.11 stuff (forgoing wl12xx) then we might be even one step closer. Aug 06 13:51:43 i see Aug 06 13:52:35 it's really a bummer for me, the inability to be an AP (or rather, the inabilty to use WPA while being a hotspot). there are other reasons i might prefer to keep using my Android device as my main phone, but this is the big one :( Aug 06 13:52:35 I don't know, its possible that the N900 was in power saving mode. However if its connected to an external power supply, N900 may not remain constantly in power saving mode. Aug 06 13:53:17 and speaking of wifi power saving, is there usually any advantage in setting transmit power to 10mW instead of 100? since i see there's an option for that Aug 06 13:53:36 It's what nokia and TI chose to do, no tertiary/AP firmware, besides like I said its missing a whole bunch of userland tools required for proper AP mode. Aug 06 13:54:04 LjL-Alps: i don't think so Aug 06 13:54:38 I doubt it but I've always left mine to be at 100mW. Aug 06 13:54:57 i'm not sure why lack of AP mode implies also lack of ad-hoc WPA, but i suppose there's a reason Aug 06 13:56:16 LjL-Alps; 10mW/100mW is a regulatory thing. In some countries you're limited to 10mW outdoors and 100nW indoors Aug 06 13:56:33 ah Aug 06 13:57:50 hey... not sure i want to do this since it's more complicated than it should but - since we have host mode, would it be possible to use an external wifi dongle to support AP mode? Aug 06 13:57:52 Somehow I think lack of ad-hoc WPA is related to an outdated wireless-tools :p i.e. wireless userland tools. Aug 06 13:58:22 oh Aug 06 13:58:29 then i'll look into that Aug 06 13:58:50 It would require the wifi dongle to: a) be supported by linux natively and b) needs the driver to be built specifically for maemo kernel (compat-wireless or otherwise). Aug 06 13:59:00 You can but you won't get far. Aug 06 14:10:45 Actually.. LjL-Alps && Iridos: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36220 Aug 06 14:17:14 psycho_oreos: i've also found some hints that with the bleeding edge drivers and "airbase" it's possible to obtain a "Soft AP" mode Aug 06 14:18:15 LjL-Alps, ideally I wouldn't be using airbase-ng for AP mode. It was not designed for that sort of purpose. Aug 06 14:20:12 psycho_oreos: well i guess not, but the situation wrt AP mode doesn't seem particularly "ideal" on the N900 :P Aug 06 14:20:33 hmm Aug 06 14:24:00 LjL-Alps, it seems doable but not easy. Aug 06 14:31:31 so how's the normal wireless-dialog offereing WPA if there's no wpa_supplicant Aug 06 14:32:23 What? huh? Aug 06 14:33:57 I don't think the wireless-dialog actually relies on wpa_supplicant at all. It relies on some other in-house program to do all the connecting and stuff. Aug 06 14:37:03 ah Aug 06 14:39:20 wpa_supplicant is/was the normal way of authenticating/hosting WPA secured networks. I just don't know why it was not to be embedded into maemo at all. Aug 06 14:40:26 i just succeeded in using airmon-ng and airbase-ng to create an unencrypted AP that my netbook could connect to, i guess that's something Aug 06 14:40:34 =D Aug 06 14:40:46 my N810 doesn't seem to see it though Aug 06 14:42:15 airmon-ng isn't really needed, not sure would "bleeding-edge" kernel module be needed either. Aug 06 14:42:25 psycho_oreos: to inject stuff Aug 06 14:42:43 LjL-Alps: this is in monitor mode, right? Aug 06 14:43:09 kerio, yeah with "bleeding-edge". Maybe that is a dependency for airbase-ng I guess. Aug 06 14:43:37 kerio: i suppose so, i don't understand this stuff very much so i'm mostly googling things around. but, i've started airmon-ng, that created a mon0 interface, and then i started airbase-ng on mon0 Aug 06 14:43:41 It would definitely have to be in monitor mode, airmon-ng just turns an interface (or VIF even) into monitor interface. Aug 06 14:43:58 airbase-ng actually seemed to be happy enough being started directly on wlan0, but that way i didn't see it from my N810, so i tried with airmon Aug 06 14:44:23 wlan0 needs to be in monitor mode (ideally). Aug 06 14:44:53 That would also make mon0 rather redundant, which like I said makes airmon-ng isn't a necessity. Aug 06 14:44:55 psycho_oreos: are you saying it would be better to put (how?) wlan0 in mon mode, rather than "bridging" it to mon0 using airmon? Aug 06 14:45:28 well the important thing now anyway is to see if i can use WPA with this Aug 06 14:46:00 LjL-Alps, 1) iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor (the interface or VIF needs to be down via ifconfig first). 2) It's not a matter of bridging factor, mon0 is essentially wlan0, it just shares the same "base". Aug 06 14:47:33 If you are say for example already associated to a network on one VIF, you can for example with another interface setup Ad-hoc/AP/rfmon mode. However the extra interface must share the same frequency as the base as it is a hardware limitation. Aug 06 14:52:52 psycho_oreos: is what airmon-ng does then to create a "VIF" in monitor-mode, and leave the wlan0 "VIF" in normal mode? Aug 06 14:53:35 LjL-Alps, essentially yes. Aug 06 14:54:26 or basically it doesn't do anything to wlan0 but use that as a "reference point". It actually does more than that such as it checks the driver used and reports information about the wireless (802.11) chipset. Aug 06 15:05:44 meh, everything on google tells me how to make an airbase-ng AP that accepts *any* WPA key, so i can sniff people's passphrases, but that's not what i want to do :\ Aug 06 15:06:33 You were already forewarned about that :P Aug 06 15:09:04 psycho_oreos: fair enough, but i get the distinct feeling it *is* possible to use this program to make a proper (if resource-intensive) WPA2 AP. just, since as you say it's not its intended purpose, there's not an ocean of documentation about it Aug 06 15:11:43 LjL-Alps, probably not really worth it in the long run. You'd be spending far more time and effort in getting airbase-ng to act as a proper AP (which ends up breaking various levels of regulation as well, along with rewriting history). Far more effort than getting wpa_supplicant to work so that you can use Ad-Hoc with WPA. Aug 06 15:12:34 psycho_oreos: why does it break regulations? Aug 06 15:13:29 LjL-Alps, I think you are basically circumventing the fact of how TI and nokia refused to offer Tertiary/AP firmware for instance. Aug 06 15:13:56 psycho_oreos: how's -thumb? Aug 06 15:14:53 That plus airbase-ng wasn't really cut out for "normal" usages, it was specifically designed to take advantage in a loophole amongst specific drivers. Its kinda like you're trying to add more fuel to the already burning flame. Aug 06 15:15:26 freemangordon, somewhat very impressive though compared with another N900 not being in -thumb I can see that more swap is being used as a result (on a -thumb enabled N900). Aug 06 15:15:55 psycho_oreos: I guess you run more stuff on it :) Aug 06 15:16:36 freemangordon, yeah that's expected heh :) everyone has different uses with their N900. Aug 06 15:19:12 psycho_oreos: having SIM card and IM accounts eats lots of RAM Aug 06 15:22:38 freemangordon, I have SIM card inserted. Not running IM but I have a ton of processes in the background (no, not accessible through task-switcher). Aug 06 15:23:47 I am definitely impressed at how long it takes for the time it took between in me opening the camera lens shutter till it asks me to open which program for camera. That plus a few notable speed ups here and there. Aug 06 15:44:58 ~flashing Aug 06 15:44:59 [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 06 17:08:34 ~cherry Aug 06 17:08:55 hmm Aug 06 17:09:15 ~nokia-cherry Aug 06 17:09:45 wtf? Aug 06 17:24:43 kerio: fsck + reboot helpen wrt scroll issue Aug 06 17:24:49 but I think my mmc is dying Aug 06 17:24:52 :( Aug 06 17:34:23 any one using offlineimap? Aug 06 17:34:26 with dovcot Aug 06 18:11:10 ~ping Aug 06 18:11:11 ~pong Aug 06 18:31:27 any idea why I can't connect my phone to debian unstable? Aug 06 18:31:41 I was able to do that for a long time, then I have updated my system Aug 06 18:32:09 this broke it for n900.. But I was able to do that on other PCs Aug 06 18:32:31 then I eventually updated them all... Aug 06 18:34:02 what do you mean? Aug 06 18:34:24 oh, I connect it to the pc, select mass storage mode and nothing happens Aug 06 18:34:33 can't see sd card on internal memory Aug 06 18:34:47 sometimes, like one out of 20, I'm lucky to see sd card Aug 06 18:35:05 could be an usb hw issue? Aug 06 18:35:12 does lsusb detect the phone? Aug 06 18:35:13 that sounds like it has nothing to do with Debian or any OS Aug 06 18:35:24 No, this is not a hw problem as stated above Aug 06 18:35:44 I can still access it on one of the systems where apt-get dist-upgrade was not ran in two months Aug 06 18:35:51 definitely something in your connections.. either USB is on its way out, or your pc usb ports are about to go Aug 06 18:36:10 or, your usb host on pc has flaky drivers Aug 06 18:36:24 different laptops, not a driver problem Aug 06 18:36:58 not a usb problem, because I was able to connect it a week ago to old pc Aug 06 18:36:58 all the laptops have debian unstable? Aug 06 18:37:02 yes Aug 06 18:37:30 so obviously your USB port on the offending pc/laptop is kaput Aug 06 18:37:40 on all of them? Aug 06 18:37:52 4 laptops total, 3 stopped working after upgrade Aug 06 18:37:57 1 is still not upgrades Aug 06 18:38:04 oh, sorry, 3 laptops and one normal pc Aug 06 18:38:25 Bus 004 Device 004: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) Aug 06 18:38:29 that's what lsusb says Aug 06 18:38:40 now, how can I get it mounted? Aug 06 18:38:41 * Sicelo can't follow what Sysaxed is saying Aug 06 18:38:58 is the N900 working with the other laptops or not? Aug 06 18:38:59 Sicelo: ask a question? Aug 06 18:39:17 it's working on a laptop that was not updated for a long time, YES Aug 06 18:39:46 and on all updated ones, it doesn't work? Aug 06 18:39:51 yes Aug 06 18:40:56 so, i said if hardware is ok, the only other thing making sense here is that the driver for the usb host on the offending laptops is flaky Aug 06 18:41:01 18:36 < Sicelo> or, your usb host on pc has flaky drivers Aug 06 18:41:40 other usb devices work fine on the updated laptops? Aug 06 18:42:25 yes Aug 06 18:43:03 just tested an usb drive, connected and mounted automatically Aug 06 18:44:10 what does the N900 show? Aug 06 18:44:28 what do you mean? Aug 06 18:44:44 a simple prompt, USB storage or PC suite mode Aug 06 18:44:48 and then nothing Aug 06 18:44:58 hmm, Aug 06 18:46:03 wow, not it said that only sd card is connected Aug 06 18:46:12 and sd card was mounted, yeah Aug 06 18:46:15 lol.. that's what i was asking Aug 06 18:46:17 and if I try that once again.. Aug 06 18:46:51 said same thing, sd card only Aug 06 18:46:57 but now it's not accessible from pc.. Aug 06 18:47:13 ah right, I had terminal opened Aug 06 18:47:34 now, when terminal on n900 is closed... it says.. nothing! Aug 06 18:47:42 well, "Connected to pc" or something like that Aug 06 18:47:47 and then nothing happens Aug 06 18:57:58 Sometimes dmesg contains useful information. If you have sysklogd installed, syslog also provides more information. Aug 06 19:04:13 psycho_oreos: dmesg on n900 or my pc? Aug 06 19:08:53 Sysaxed, mainly N900. PC might also be useful but not now. Aug 06 19:11:42 psycho_oreos: well, no errors or anything weird Aug 06 19:11:50 I can upload it.. but uh.. Aug 06 19:13:03 pastebinit Aug 06 19:13:27 ~pastebinit Aug 06 19:13:35 lolwut. Aug 06 19:14:36 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/n900 Aug 06 19:14:55 FAT errors are most probably unrelated Aug 06 19:15:00 but who knows... Aug 06 19:16:49 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-08-06-220339_807x227_scrot.png Aug 06 19:16:53 dmesg on pc Aug 06 19:20:09 FAT errors are pointing at your eMMC, it probably needs fsck or something. Dmesg output from PC I could see sdb and sdc being created. That could be from N900, so check via fdisk -l to see if /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc are actually N900's exports to PC. Aug 06 19:23:47 psycho_oreos: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-08-06-222335_746x558_scrot.png Aug 06 19:25:30 Sysaxed, /dev/sdb looks almost certainly like your eMMC. /dev/sdc looks like 1GB microSD that doesn't seem to be setup properly. Your /dev/sdc setup often reminds me of my old n95. Aug 06 19:26:42 uhh, what do you mean by "doesn't seem to be setup properly" Aug 06 19:26:49 well, it looks weird, but it was working Aug 06 19:27:16 and it IS working if I open up a terminal and block my eMMC so it wont try to give any access to it Aug 06 19:27:38 Have a look at those question marks, and the filesystem reported by fdisk. It seems like its all obfusicated output. Aug 06 19:28:29 so are you telling me that if I take my sd card out it will start working correctly? Aug 06 19:28:33 I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm saying the way how that 1GB microSD is setup looks weird. Aug 06 19:28:43 No, both should be working fine. Aug 06 19:28:49 ok Aug 06 19:29:05 I'm pretty certain your 1GB doesn't actually have 4 partitions does it? Aug 06 19:29:20 I have no idea Aug 06 19:29:32 it was not me who was formatting it Aug 06 19:29:36 but I have only seen one partition Aug 06 19:30:14 I'm guessing there's no way in hell it would show up as four separate partitions. Besides 1GB being split into four (or so) makes illogical sense. Aug 06 19:30:50 well, I should reformat it one day Aug 06 19:31:04 but still, what about my things not being mounted at all? Aug 06 19:31:18 In either case I'd personally fix it by backing up contents of the microSD and nuke the partition table (of microSD), re-partition, re-format and chuck all the data back on it. Aug 06 19:31:39 well, I don't care about microSD, really Aug 06 19:31:49 I want my eMMC to be mounted... Aug 06 19:32:03 You should be able to have eMMC mounted correctly, not sure about microSD with all those weird unknown filesystems. Aug 06 19:32:04 you were saying something about fsck? Aug 06 19:32:14 I have opposite problem... Aug 06 19:32:37 the NITDroid site seems to be mostly down, how decent was it for the N900 last time, out of curiosity? hardware support? Aug 06 19:33:11 Yeah, that dmesg output from your N900 shows errors with /dev/mmcblk0p1 which is actually the eMMC partition. Aug 06 19:33:21 heh, and this N900 works fine on other computers? Aug 06 19:33:35 Sicelo: not after upgrade Aug 06 19:33:55 and this is the output from one of these that can't get it working Aug 06 19:34:23 Sysaxed, you should be able to still mount the eMMC on your PC without issues. fdisk -l shows it as /dev/sdb, dmesg reports two extra "drives". So the kernel is seeing it, its just a matter of getting it mounted. Aug 06 19:35:14 LjL-Alps, that is a little offtopic here (fyi), their forums is still up but I don't think their main focus is on N900 anymore. Aug 06 19:36:27 psycho_oreos: ok, i'm sorry, was just mildly curious (i have an almost identical Android device anyway so running Android on the N900 would really just be to see what it's like) Aug 06 19:38:40 LjL-Alps, not an op here myself :) I do recall nitdroid builds for N900 was lacking features (mainly due to N900's use of proprietary components and android's lack of focus on non-officially supported devices). Aug 06 19:42:13 psycho_oreos: oh, so it's just not being mounted automatically? Aug 06 19:42:55 Sysaxed, yeah I'm guessing (if you have autofs or something like that). I don't like auto mounting personally. Aug 06 19:44:49 Sysaxed, regardless, check mount to see if its already mounted (or even df should suffice). If its not mounted, mount it by hand and see if there's any issues. If there's issues, dmesg (from PC) should tell you what. Aug 06 19:48:32 psycho_oreos: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-08-06-224816_1050x243_scrot.png Aug 06 19:48:41 psycho_oreos: how to mount it? Aug 06 19:48:45 I've never done it manually Aug 06 19:49:34 Sysaxed, its not mounted. "mount /dev/sdb /path/to/mount/to". Aug 06 19:50:59 psycho_oreos: you're right. Aug 06 19:51:02 now it is mounted Aug 06 19:51:27 Sysaxed, mount will also tell you as well, dmesg may spill errors, etc if it happens. Aug 06 19:51:53 [21662.448520] FAT-fs (sdb): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck. Aug 06 19:53:02 Yeah, that's what N900 faced, albeit N900 has old e2fsck tools. Hopefully your Debian unstable has much much newer e2fsprogs, you should be able to fsck (but eMMC must not be mounted). Aug 06 19:54:53 errr, I've started doing it from n900 Aug 06 19:55:15 FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ? 1) Use first FAT 2) Use second FAT Aug 06 19:55:25 what should I answer? Aug 06 19:56:05 I don't know lol.. when running fsck, sometimes its better to backup the remaining data (where possible). Aug 06 19:56:22 * psycho_oreos doesn't even use FAT32 on his N900s. Aug 06 19:57:29 oh well, I have been trying to get rid of it for a long time Aug 06 19:57:45 Get rid of? Aug 06 19:58:14 of fat partition Aug 06 19:58:23 and use ext instead Aug 06 19:58:43 is there any easy way to do so? Aug 06 19:59:19 I'd send interrupt signal to e2fsck, plug N900 back into PC. Copy all the eMMC data off it, then format and put the data back on. Aug 06 19:59:28 There was a guide on the tmo. Aug 06 20:02:52 hmm Aug 06 20:02:54 where? Aug 06 20:03:06 well, I'm not stupid and I know how to use google Aug 06 20:03:12 but I cannot find it Aug 06 20:03:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73478 Aug 06 20:03:34 did you remove the partition totally or just reformatted it as ext? Aug 06 20:04:06 "Maybe you'd like to use the following "illegal" characters FAT doesn't support in your file names (like music tracks)... " * : < > ? \ |" Aug 06 20:04:09 oh, hell yeah Aug 06 20:04:12 There were no partition to remove, if there was you'd be doing it wrong. Aug 06 20:04:18 "How about Unicode support?" Aug 06 20:04:18 yeeahhh Aug 06 20:06:36 why ext3 and not ext4? Aug 06 20:07:09 Note the date when it was posted. Aug 06 20:07:28 so I can safely change it to mkfs.ext4? Aug 06 20:07:38 Besides I don't see my N900 showing ext4 supported. Aug 06 20:07:51 I thought that there were support Aug 06 20:07:53 Its up to you you can experiment. Aug 06 20:07:56 came with one of the updates, uh? Aug 06 20:08:05 or was it in power kernel.. Aug 06 20:08:35 cat /proc/filesystem| grep ext4 yields nothing. Aug 06 20:08:53 someone remind me --what's that N900 package that gives different ring tones to different callers? I installed it a long time ago and can't remember how to access it. (Shows you how often I make new friends ... ) Aug 06 20:09:11 psycho_oreos: yeah, that's right Aug 06 20:09:31 by the way, if anybody is interested Aug 06 20:09:42 BitTorrent sync is running amazingly well on n900 Aug 06 20:09:45 If you think of it, it sort of breaks formality, /home and /home/opt is using ext3. Aug 06 20:09:58 you just place a binary anywhere you want and it's going to work great Aug 06 20:10:05 access is via webui Aug 06 20:10:31 I haven't tested battery usage yet, my 8gb folder is still synchronizing... but well! Aug 06 20:11:26 oh, and there was some problem when n900 was rebooting under heavy load because of btsync, but swappolube proposed settings fixed it Aug 06 20:15:34 infobot seen kwtm Aug 06 20:15:43 Okay, I guess I'm muted. Aug 06 20:15:44 kwtm is currently on #maemo (7m 35s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 9s, last said: 'infobot seen kwtm'. Aug 06 20:15:51 Hi, how can i disable IPv6 Aug 06 20:15:53 ? Aug 06 20:16:03 Oh, wait, I'm not muted. Just not noteworthy enough, I guess. :P Oh, well. Aug 06 20:16:10 kwtm: you're not Aug 06 20:16:45 It's okay, I figured it out. Turns out it's called "custom ringtone" and it actually modifies the Contacts app instead of being an app on its own. Aug 06 20:17:18 XATRIX: Unfortunately, I am not able to help you. The only thing I know about IPv6 is it's 50% more than IPv4 Aug 06 20:18:11 :))))) Aug 06 20:19:47 ~seen kwtm Aug 06 20:19:49 kwtm is currently on #maemo (11m 41s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 2m 31s, last said: 'XATRIX: Unfortunately, I am not able to help you. The only thing I know about IPv6 is it's 50% more than IPv4'. Aug 06 20:20:24 stock Maemo doesn't do IPv6 without tweaking.. what do you mean XATRIX? Aug 06 20:22:00 Sicelo: seems like my windows netbios proto can't find N900 Aug 06 20:22:02 http://fpaste.org/30462/75820489/ Aug 06 20:22:19 As long as i understand it binded to IPv6 address ? Aug 06 20:22:29 He probably installed kernel-power and it has ipv6 kernel module automatically loaded. Aug 06 20:22:44 it didn't Aug 06 20:23:01 you N900 is at 192.168.1.3 Aug 06 20:23:07 *your Aug 06 20:23:30 inet6 addr: fe80::edd:efff:fe0a:3d40/64 Scope:Link Aug 06 20:23:32 ? Aug 06 20:23:37 tcp 0 0 ::ffff:192.168.1.3%65024:139 ::%168:* LISTEN Aug 06 20:24:04 i have that too.. Aug 06 20:24:09 Something is definately wrong here Aug 06 20:24:38 "fe80::" is a link-local ipv6 Aug 06 20:24:44 what is the windows pc supposed to see on the N900 btw? Aug 06 20:25:15 SMB shared partition ? Aug 06 20:25:23 I'm started TinySMB Aug 06 20:25:42 It worked as a charm a while ago :( Aug 06 20:26:12 You can probably blacklist ipv6 and maybe reboot. Aug 06 20:27:59 i'd start with rechecking the config for TinySMB Aug 06 20:28:02 Yea, i'm going to try it Aug 06 20:28:18 My windows PC, can't even connect to Aug 06 20:30:11 Do you have ipv6 working on router or other devices? Aug 06 20:35:20 nope Aug 06 20:58:12 http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/08/06/2023208/new-android-app-encourages-users-to-throw-device-as-high-as-possible Aug 06 20:58:28 pff n900fly has been here for a while :P Aug 06 21:12:29 ='-vc cv Aug 06 21:59:19 heh... slashdot posting: android gets n900Fly port. ? Aug 06 22:54:58 Is there any way to get the n900 media player to respect disc number? Aug 06 22:55:14 Right now, it lumps all of my tracks from multi-disc albums together. Aug 06 23:04:26 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73478 Aug 06 23:04:28 so... Aug 06 23:04:31 that script Aug 06 23:04:39 should I run it from another pc or from my n900? Aug 06 23:09:59 yeah, right, from my phone.. Aug 06 23:10:06 uhmmm Aug 06 23:10:20 now my home folder doesn't work Aug 06 23:10:38 well, accidentally I have ran this script twice Aug 06 23:11:14 so, what could have gone wrong? I have seen a lot of messages like "operation not permitted" Aug 06 23:11:25 most likely for the last chown command Aug 06 23:11:44 but it was executed as root, huh Aug 06 23:35:28 OH Right! Aug 06 23:35:36 there's no mkfs.ext3 on n900 Aug 06 23:36:00 and the thread says just "Eat salmon." Aug 06 23:36:02 awesome Aug 06 23:45:14 e2fsprogs ! Aug 06 23:46:48 what the.. Aug 06 23:47:01 e2fsprogs installed but no mkfs.ext3 command Aug 06 23:47:35 oh :O Aug 06 23:47:42 I guess I must stop talking to myself Aug 06 23:50:07 odd. I think I'm getting really wrong AGPS locks using my wireless carrier's SUPL server... Aug 06 23:50:17 Might have finally gotten the certificate right... Aug 06 23:50:42 still wrong though :D But it's on the right state, right county at least... Aug 06 23:53:23 what is the point of that sed -i '1d' ??? Aug 06 23:53:46 I mean, that goddamn file is overwritten with the next command Aug 06 23:53:48 (no blinking satellite icon in the status bar) Aug 06 23:57:32 oh yeah, now my phone doesn't boot Aug 06 23:57:37 I'm sorry but Aug 06 23:57:42 FUCK YOU, LANTIZIA Aug 06 23:57:45 whoever you are... Aug 06 23:59:00 urk. Aug 06 23:59:44 well, my phone rebooted on the mkfs.ext3 command Aug 06 23:59:48 because of the watchdog Aug 06 23:59:52 Well, I guess... Aug 06 23:59:56 could be anything, really Aug 07 00:47:28 hmmmm Aug 07 00:47:41 so should I go with CSSU Thumb or not? Aug 07 01:54:42 how to install cssu-thumb on fresh n900? Should I install normal cssu first? Aug 07 01:55:24 "The installation process is the same as other CSSU Flavours" Aug 07 01:55:46 "Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. This will run through a series of scripts to ensure the community repository are set up. " Aug 07 01:55:49 and no community ssu Aug 07 01:55:52 oh wait Aug 07 01:55:55 here it is... Aug 07 01:55:57 -_- Aug 07 02:43:55 can anybody show me their default /usr/sbin/mmc-mount file? Aug 07 02:46:23 anybody?... Aug 07 02:48:02 psycho_oreos: Aug 07 02:51:26 looks like a lot of vfat stuff Aug 07 02:53:29 ... Aug 07 02:53:35 pastebin it? Aug 07 02:53:39 I have it corrupted, uh Aug 07 02:53:47 why Aug 07 02:53:50 http://maemo.net.vanade.com/mmc-mount Aug 07 02:53:57 why don't you just reflash? Aug 07 02:54:32 this has cssu installed (non-thumb) so dunno what got changed Aug 07 02:56:00 bef0rd: lol? Aug 07 02:56:18 Sysaxed: or did you just reflash and corrupted it again? :P Aug 07 02:56:29 yes, but it doesn't really matter Aug 07 02:56:51 it just seems like this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71696 guide is not working for cssu-thumb Aug 07 02:59:02 well, that's what happens when you write stupid scripts instead of telling people what to do... Aug 07 02:59:29 eh? Aug 07 02:59:30 and all what it does... pastes the contents of that file into a case statement Aug 07 02:59:39 I write scripts, they tend to work? Aug 07 02:59:48 I said "stupid scripts" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 07 02:59:58 2013