**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 08 02:59:59 2013 Aug 08 04:50:52 ls Aug 08 04:50:53 clear Aug 08 04:50:57 aaah Aug 08 06:11:15 fennec has become quite bloated. I wonder how much more longer does it take for a non-thumb user to try and load up the latest fennec (17.0) Aug 08 08:42:13 Pali: hmm, why not promote KP51r1 to testing? Aug 08 08:42:31 because kp51r1 is old? Aug 08 08:42:39 kp52 should be there Aug 08 08:42:59 then we can see bug reports against old kp51 version Aug 08 08:44:59 Pali: hmm, is KP52 stable enough? Aug 08 08:45:07 yes Aug 08 08:45:08 if it is, just promote it Aug 08 08:45:25 kp52 is missing in interface :-( Aug 08 08:45:45 is it? Aug 08 08:46:03 oh, it is Aug 08 08:46:20 Pali: are you aware I am the autobuilder maintainer? Aug 08 08:46:44 yes Aug 08 08:47:05 Pali: hmm http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/kernel-power-flasher/2.6.28-10power52/ Aug 08 08:47:41 oh, missing dependencies :( Aug 08 08:47:42 only flasher is there Aug 08 08:47:54 other v52 packages are missing Aug 08 08:48:05 Pali: we should fix that, once and for all Aug 08 08:48:26 ok :-) Aug 08 08:50:04 Pali: how did older version appear? Aug 08 08:50:23 some automatically and some X-Fade imported manually Aug 08 08:50:29 i see Aug 08 08:52:20 hmm, going to check the import script Aug 08 08:54:37 btw what is the preferred way to back everything up (as in restoring entire system would be as automated as possible) before trying out cssu-thumb? Aug 08 09:15:30 can anyone upload kp 51r1 zimage please Aug 08 09:19:03 backupmenu Aug 08 09:33:13 wnd: backupmenu Aug 08 09:33:21 nun: no, it's older than dirt Aug 08 09:38:45 thanks kerio used bootimg and got it Aug 08 09:41:31 psycho_oreos, kerio, thanks, that's what I thought. Flash the stock image, install kp, backupmenu, restore from backup? I suppose N900 doesn't load the kernel from fs. Aug 08 09:42:03 wnd: you suppose correctly Aug 08 09:42:23 at least until the second-to-latest version, backupmenu didn't restore the kernel Aug 08 09:42:35 the kernel mtd partition, that is Aug 08 09:42:54 and by default, the kernel is stored there Aug 08 09:44:44 so to restore a backup, you have to reinstall the matching kernel manually Aug 08 09:44:52 or at least A kernel with the installed modules Aug 08 10:39:50 * lexik is installing the PyBrain on his n900 now.. Aug 08 10:40:43 * psycho_oreos ponders if its possible to add backing up of kernel as a feature request to backupmenu. /dev/mtd3 gets backed up into a file via dd and is restored via dd if somehow /dev/mtd3 has a checksum mismatch. Aug 08 10:41:04 lexik, did you see my previous message about not being able to register? Aug 08 10:41:13 maybe Aug 08 10:41:27 What do you mean maybe? that doesn't make any sense. Aug 08 10:42:05 im not sure if i saw some stuff related to TMO register problems :) Aug 08 10:42:14 (from you) Aug 08 10:42:30 i know there is an issue on bugzilla about it Aug 08 10:42:35 any news? Aug 08 10:42:37 I filed a bug. Aug 08 10:42:55 One person has reported updating firefox would work to 23.0 Aug 08 10:43:17 There are potentially other browsers you might want to try and see if you can avert the problem. Aug 08 10:43:48 I've also noted down on bugzilla a fairly comprehensive list of browsers one can try whilst on N900. Aug 08 10:44:58 i know only about microb, fennec and chromium from jacekowski :) i will try some other browsers... Aug 08 10:45:42 but its weird its caused by browser Aug 08 10:46:15 is it some kind of bot protection or so? Aug 08 10:46:36 or "just" bug? (sry, feature?) Aug 08 10:50:18 I am not particularly sure myself, I was thinking that there might be a remote possibility to do with webkit or browser's engine to not function. Though what you mentioned maybe possible but I'm not certain on it. Aug 08 10:51:59 how i said.. i will try some other browsers (or update the chrome on the XP box) and let you know.. Aug 08 10:55:07 fuuuu... i have to install scipy to get pybrain working -_- Aug 08 10:59:08 On second thoughts about what you said to prevent spammers. I'd say it would be somewhat unlikely considering how there's people that might still be using certain versions of browsers. If that were to be the case I'm sure bugzila would be filled with being banned. Aug 08 11:00:14 I did see for a couple of times once the user agrees to terms and conditions, amongst all the regular things the user needs to fill out, there's a captcha image there. I'm guessing that's the only way to prevent spammers with automated registration processes. Aug 08 11:46:31 is it typically worth making changes to swappiness and other parameters (and if so, are the ones proposed by Swappolube any good)? and is compcache worth a shot? Aug 08 12:08:28 I was told swappolube proposed config is nice. Aug 08 12:11:41 psycho_oreos: don't EVER use dd to read from a mtd partition Aug 08 12:14:22 Pali: does your uboot only ever read bootmenu.scr from the first partition of the emmc? Aug 08 12:14:26 or does it try multiple places? Aug 08 12:16:53 kerio: https://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot/blobs/master/include/configs/nokia_rx51.h#line370 Aug 08 12:16:58 only first partition Aug 08 12:17:18 :c Aug 08 12:17:50 Pali: can't you make it also try the other partitions, in order? Aug 08 12:18:16 it would be neat Aug 08 12:18:30 because you could put bootmenu.scr and bootmenu.img.d in /home Aug 08 12:18:39 and it would get backed up by backupmenu Aug 08 12:38:08 ~pali Aug 08 12:38:09 rumour has it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ Aug 08 12:41:31 kerio, then what are your proposals to read /dev/mtd3? Aug 08 12:41:40 nanddump Aug 08 12:41:46 and nandwrite to write it Aug 08 12:44:56 Hmm heard of that from somewhere. Aug 08 12:49:16 mtd-utils? Aug 08 12:50:01 yup Aug 08 13:16:53 vkb dsnt work in fennec 8.0?? Aug 08 13:27:07 any way to make it work??! Aug 08 13:48:32 drive-by irc Aug 08 13:49:52 yes, leaving before the answer is the correct way to make it work Aug 08 14:13:41 speaking of virtual keyboards, is there some trick to making FastSMS-as-a-keyboard work? i also have the input method selector control panel installed, and the fastsms module is selected, but i still see the default hildon one Aug 08 14:53:21 hi all Aug 08 14:53:41 I have bout new can that have option to download contacts Aug 08 14:54:07 I can connect to blue tooth but can download contacts to my car, any idea? Aug 08 15:06:21 Hi guys, I saw some demo about the maemo but cloud not find any recent phone with it, what is the most recent one, I found one which I like but could not find anywhere ( N950 from Nokia ) Aug 08 15:06:50 halt: get n900 Aug 08 15:07:32 N950 was never sold Aug 08 15:07:47 halt: N950 has faster CPU and more RAM, but that is all it has more than n900. Aug 08 15:07:58 ShadowJK: well you can buy on ebay :) Aug 08 15:08:09 freemangordon: I have one and I one to upgrade to something more decent, it's big heavy and week with the battery Aug 08 15:08:32 freemangordon: I did not found any on ebay, clound you give me a link maybe ? Aug 08 15:09:08 ShadowJK: it's just a dev device, yes I know but it's too good, to just left behind Aug 08 15:09:27 halt: N950 is as heavy as N900, with worse battery life ;). Last time I checked the price of new N950 was about 2000 euro Aug 08 15:10:08 halt: no, it just looks too good, trust me on that one, I have both n900 and n950 Aug 08 15:10:17 honestly, the design is killer Aug 08 15:10:23 but that's all Aug 08 15:11:13 freemangordon: :( it's soo said, so you saying there is no "good phones" on the market ? Aug 08 15:11:46 halt: depends on how you define "good phone" :) Aug 08 15:12:57 halt: but if you ask for a phone to replace n900 with, there is no such device IMO Aug 08 15:13:40 This is why I own about 5 N900s.. Aug 08 15:14:11 ShadowJK: yesterday I bought my 3rd one, for my GF :) Aug 08 15:14:54 freemangordon: that's true, there are people outside who can live without an qwerty keyboard, who is happy to use an "tracked" os, and they are happy to be a marketing target, personly I will be happy even with an black&white dot screen , and stuff like that, if they will match otherwise Aug 08 15:15:10 ShadowJK: nice collection :) Aug 08 15:15:26 3 of them are broken, 4th in use, 5th as spare Aug 08 15:16:29 halt: n900 would not become less builkier, but actually it is not that ugly. You'd better try to make it faster, if speed is your problem Aug 08 15:16:44 ShadowJK: oh that's an othere case Aug 08 15:19:12 freemangordon: it's not about the the design, i give a shit about the the design ( until a level ) but the battery time and the weight is important, actaly my current n900 just brocken now, ( the usb port lost the contact ) so if i have to buy an othere one I was hoping there is a new version or better option Aug 08 15:19:35 but look like there is no better option ... Aug 08 15:19:50 Guess why we have more than one device :) Aug 08 15:20:33 halt: hmm, what is wring with battery life on n900? Aug 08 15:20:36 *wrong Aug 08 15:21:03 nothing, if you have a good battery =D Aug 08 15:21:10 heh Aug 08 15:21:39 I cahanged to N900 from E72 there I had days with the n900 i have only hours Aug 08 15:21:52 you didn't have days of usage on your e72 Aug 08 15:22:24 days of screen on, at least Aug 08 15:22:49 kerio: you know what, BME got confused while I was on holiday 2 weeks ago, because I went offline. So by the end of the day I got about 80% battery, and BME decided my battery capacity is about 300 mAh Aug 08 15:22:56 fun Aug 08 15:22:57 which bme? Aug 08 15:23:02 stock Aug 08 15:23:05 I'd get about 4 days out of N900 if I used it for same things I used E75 Aug 08 15:23:33 kerio: well, Pali's widget(or whatever it is called), but Nokia BME Aug 08 15:24:46 kerio: so I am not exactly sure where Pali got those 300 mAh from, but still something went totally confused Aug 08 15:25:17 fun I used to studie on a uni called BME :) but i guess here it's mean Battery Manager E..? Aug 08 15:25:31 Entity Aug 08 15:25:58 ShadowJK: on stock device I guess, with some tweaking I think we can do 5 or more Aug 08 15:27:28 *management Aug 08 15:27:42 :nod: Aug 08 15:29:38 I see thanks,... well said to hear that, but have to accept the fact, so I'm ordering two n900 and that would be good until some time, let's hope so some manufacture pick up the needs and build a phone for a geeks like us Aug 08 15:32:13 or... we should build one for ourself :D http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2012/11/play/make-your-own-mobile-phone Aug 08 15:42:06 just double checked and the N900 came out in 2009 !! 4 years ago and there is sill no real rivals Aug 08 15:55:49 halt: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N950-Silver-Prototype-/261230401221?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3cd28b96c5 :D Aug 08 15:56:42 freemangordon: nice, but it's way less in India http://prices9.com/mobiles/Nokia-N950 Aug 08 15:57:16 and actualy our company has coderst there, and will ask them to buy it for me i think :) Aug 08 15:57:52 halt: that is a lie Aug 08 15:58:00 halt: I'd be surprised if that offer (the India one) is not fake, just check the device specs Aug 08 15:58:01 it's not actually been released Aug 08 15:58:32 no microsd slot Aug 08 15:59:18 well this is why I ask them to buy it if they can... Aug 08 15:59:26 no video editor, no java Aug 08 15:59:45 halt: forget about it, it's been never released Aug 08 16:00:15 camera is wrong Aug 08 16:00:30 * freemangordon wonders if he should try to sell his broken-screen N950 Aug 08 16:01:56 it is in worse condition than http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOKIA-N950-DEVELOPER-EDITION-BLACK-FAULTY-/290954928572?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item43be43e1bc Aug 08 16:03:47 strange, the black spot on my device are on exactly the same place as on ^^^ Aug 08 16:03:53 *is Aug 08 16:04:47 Pali: hi, have a couple of minutes to finish that damn kcssu assess table (together)? Aug 08 16:05:08 please later Aug 08 16:05:23 Pali: np, ping me when you have some free time Aug 08 16:05:26 now reading couple of mails... Aug 08 16:18:32 Picture of the main photo on tht prices9.com website is from gsmarena.com.. lol suspicious. Aug 08 16:20:08 Also I do believe the silver N950 is even more rare than the black N950. Whilst black N950 were being handed out to accepted Qt developers for the (what was then the upcoming) meego platform. The silver N950 was never handed out. Unless if that silver N950 was photoshopped or the seller somehow managed to paint his N950 silver. Aug 08 16:23:46 iirc, a silver N950 appeared in the N950 teaser video, where they used "Jesse's girl" as the theme song. Aug 08 16:27:45 freemangordon, I wonder if its possible (just wildly thinking) to replace N950's screen with n9 in a bid to get the screen to work. Aug 08 16:29:08 From the hardware specs it seems apart from mainly the board is different and the hinges being extra on N950. It might still be remotely possible that for the remaining parts (obviously not including keyboard as well) N950 may share same parts as is with n9. Aug 08 16:34:01 I don't think we will see another N900-like device, concord moment. I'd be happy if the N900 was produced again as it is, obviously with uUSB reinforced and better soldering to avoid modem issue. Aug 08 16:36:03 shit - my n900: Aug 08 16:36:03 $ du -hs /var/log/syslog.old Aug 08 16:36:03 147M /var/log/syslog.old Aug 08 16:36:08 Sad but inevitably true, there's a very small market dedicated to having devices/phones with proper hw keyboard. Furthermore, capitalism (now go figure). Aug 08 16:36:34 lol. I've compressed mine (I do it every so often). Aug 08 16:37:27 now I removed it and 0MB free space increased to 4,2MB Aug 08 16:37:57 I forgot to update all pulseaudio packages and now I see this: pulseaudio[849]: client-ext.c: client-ext.c: Can't obtain command line Aug 08 16:38:06 10000 messages per second Aug 08 16:38:23 D: Aug 08 16:38:40 eww.. good way to fill up syslog for sure. Aug 08 16:39:49 it is possible to configure syslog to accept only N messages per second? Aug 08 16:40:25 I'm happy that rootfs is compresses, otherwise I do not know how 147MB of syslog will be stored to rootfs... Aug 08 16:41:39 I personally doubt it. Though I thought there's some process (could even remotely be kernel) that would try to truncate output by beverity when it receives too much messages in a short timeframe. Then again that is mainly kernel specific stuff not really userland programs. Aug 08 16:42:17 Compressed? o.O Aug 08 16:42:55 ubifs is compressed Aug 08 16:43:07 unless you're as cool as i am Aug 08 16:43:54 D: news to me. I've tried (without success) symlinking syslog into /home/opt instead. Aug 08 16:44:06 can you use wlan together with 2g in n900 (yes or no) Aug 08 16:44:21 Think you can, it shouldn't matter. Aug 08 16:44:57 DocScrutinizer05: Who did backup of all maemo/n900 firmware images which was availablae on nokia site? Aug 08 16:45:45 * psycho_oreos personally thinks DocScrutinizer51 is still in "offtime". Aug 08 16:47:02 let's all nickping DocScrutinizer51 Aug 08 16:47:23 he has bot which send him all messages :-) Aug 08 16:47:39 the normal connection thing only allows to connect to one connection Aug 08 16:47:39 he's a bot Aug 08 16:47:41 wifi or gprs, Aug 08 16:47:53 maybe possible through command line then Aug 08 16:48:05 icd2 can deal with multiple connections, but not the ui Aug 08 16:48:21 and you can configure the network manually ofc Aug 08 16:48:32 kerio: will you create new UI? :-) Aug 08 16:48:51 sure Aug 08 16:48:58 you just wait Aug 08 16:49:02 icd2 gui (both status menu and control panel) is BAD Aug 08 16:50:01 Pali: btw, i appreciated the bmerep repository :D Aug 08 16:52:25 aaah... Aug 08 16:53:11 I have both slow connections... I have to wait till I learn how to write programs.. or till some one helps.. Aug 08 16:54:08 The question sort of begs as to why would you want that? having two gateways? you'll need to play with bridge mode. Aug 08 16:55:55 if its tough just drop it, i thought if there is some simple solution, I could give it a try. Aug 08 16:57:11 wifi speeds are capped at 30kbps download after per mionth limit is reached. and 2g also give just 30kbps. 3g prices are way too much.. Aug 08 16:57:40 its one of the countries with worst internet.. Aug 08 16:58:58 Probably better that than being charged excessively for going over the amount, having to check their site and only to find out that there's a forewarning the quotas are not updated "live" but rather every second day. Aug 08 17:01:30 :) that type of plans in my country gives the fastest speeds. so that we could easily go over limit and they could charge as they wish.. Aug 08 17:01:35 The way I understand it, if you want to use both connections simultaneously you'll need bridge-utils (or whatever it is). Plus whatever other stuff you'll need to configure (maybe stuff to do with iptables, QoS, etc). Aug 08 17:02:21 aaah... I drop it.. Qos, iptables, bridge.. bla bla .. I cant stand Aug 08 17:02:38 I am good with 30kbps Aug 08 17:02:42 :) Aug 08 17:03:46 Yup, over here (where I live) packet data has no traffic shaping rules. Meaning there's no provider that will be willing to give you 2g/2.5g/3g/3.5g or even 4g without trying rack up your money. Aug 08 17:04:49 psycho_oreos by the way that slider magnet issue was resolved after he placed the magnet this time.. Aug 08 17:04:54 I'm not sure, you'll definitely need bridging that's again if you want to use both connections simultaneously. The first thing you'll encounter is multi-gateways in your routing table which would mess programs up because they can't pick one. Aug 08 17:05:47 it was just a thought. I am not thinking abt it anymore.. Aug 08 17:06:24 Did he put the original magnet back in? or did he used some other magnet (even worse using one of those "normal" magnet) to do some experiments and hack up a way with that. Aug 08 17:06:52 original one, from the old touch panel Aug 08 17:07:33 It's not impossible, its just work into researching, experimenting, thinking, etc. I just don't think there's any package available on maemo.org that would do exactly just that. There maybe are articles for it. Aug 08 17:07:58 Ahh, well I guess problem solved :) no need to fuss about sensor playing up. Aug 08 17:08:05 :) Aug 08 17:08:58 and that portrait mode call menu is again not showing up. will be flashing soon. When I get a call now, I slide up to see whos calling. Aug 08 17:12:32 * psycho_oreos wonders if that is related to lack of RAM available. Sometimes when N900 is left on for a couple of days (this is with non CSSU-Thumb mind you), programs start to get progressively slower to load up. This is even more visible when receiving calls. Aug 08 17:16:26 Well I tried restarting ofcourse, and it got cssu.. and its just a problem with the call menu. no other programs lags or anything. any way.. will be flashing soon. Aug 08 17:21:27 swap defragmentation? Aug 08 17:26:21 http://nehrutrophy.nic.in/ and search some videos on youtube if you have time.. Aug 08 17:26:37 see you .. good nite. Aug 08 17:27:12 is the red "privacy" LED of the camera an actual red-only LED, or is it like the front LED, i.e. can it be set to any color? if not, can the "flashlight" (white) led be turned on at the same time as the red one? Aug 08 17:29:49 between the flash leds? Aug 08 17:30:52 LjL-Alps: it is a red only led, see lanterne thread for more. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90229 Aug 08 17:31:00 sixwheeledbeast: yeah - at least if you say it's between them, i guess it is! Aug 08 17:31:06 sixwheeledbeast: thanks Aug 08 17:35:23 (for the record, i'm thinking about the "heart rate monitor" apps there are for other OS's, which use the white LED to shine light through your finger. now, actual pulse oxymeters are similar but use *two* frequencies of light, one infrared... this is probably crazy, but i was thinking maybe the red LED comes close enough if used together with the white one) Aug 08 17:38:03 red led is not close to IR. IIRC you can't have flash and red led's on at the same time. Aug 08 17:39:56 sixwheeledbeast: ah, bummer. Aug 08 17:40:17 i know it's not really close to IR, i was just wondering that maybe two separate frequencies, even if neither of them is IR, might work Aug 08 17:41:30 I don't understand how the device "detects" your heartrate. Led's are outputs. Aug 08 17:42:09 with the camera Aug 08 17:43:23 sixwheeledbeast: yeah, with the camera. it looks at subtle variations in your fingertip's color, but for that to work, there needs to be a lightsource bright enough to shine through your fingertip Aug 08 17:43:35 the sun works, but LED flashes are usually handier ;) Aug 08 17:44:01 these apps do work quite well in my experience Aug 08 17:45:35 So why does the two LED frequencies make a difference? Aug 08 17:47:31 sixwheeledbeast: for just determining your heartrate, they don't, white LED works fine - but a pulse oxymeter can also tell you what the percentage of oxygen in your blood is (that's the main feature). to do that, you need to determine the color of the blood, basically, and if you only have one frequency, then you can tell "now it's brigher" and "now it's darker" but you need two to make an actual measurement Aug 08 17:47:46 note i only know these things from Wikipedia, so what i say may not be entirely accurate Aug 08 17:49:23 I see. However I see little need for it built in to my N900. I'd be looking for an accurate "fit-for-purpose" solution. Aug 08 17:50:58 to each one his own Aug 08 17:51:14 yay, my N900 crashed in the middle of a CSSU-Thumb2 install Aug 08 17:51:18 yay Aug 08 17:51:26 do you have a thumby kernel already? Aug 08 17:51:41 kerio: yeah i have kp52 Aug 08 17:51:49 meh, then Aug 08 17:51:51 i hope the thumb thing hasn't overwritten it though Aug 08 17:52:07 no Aug 08 17:52:21 it doesn't do that Aug 08 17:52:39 actually, i don't think the phone crashed... the screen just looks weird, and there is currently a dialog asking me whether i want to flash the new kernel image to NAND (NO i don't!), except it's not in the right place in the screen and i can't seem to cancel it Aug 08 17:53:27 it says "Old kernel version: U-Boot 2013.04, New kernel version: 2.6.28.10-cssu3", and that *really* seems like something i'd want to cancel Aug 08 17:53:41 not looking forward to having my U-Boot overwritten Aug 08 17:55:32 really weird. this dialog is still responsive (i can click on "I agree"), but i can't even turn off the phone by long-pressing Power Aug 08 17:55:42 i guess next step is taking the battery out Aug 08 18:11:20 meh, i agreed to overwrite U-Boot with the new kernel, and it's booting normally now. could have let me keep it, though Aug 08 18:43:03 Pali: freemangordon: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kernel-power-settings/0.17/ This can now be promoted to extras. However, please note that one person has been able to vote twice, I cannot reproduce. Aug 08 18:44:27 What's the plan to fix KP package repo issue? Aug 08 18:52:56 sixwheeledbeast: maybe race condition? Aug 08 18:53:00 look at this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/iproute/20111117-1maemo1/ Aug 08 18:53:33 sixwheeledbeast: sometimes when I had bad internet connection maemo interface got 4 votes from me... Aug 08 18:54:39 mmm.... Aug 08 19:24:32 on Nokia N9 (there is no meego-channel, that's why I am asking here) I have trouble using google calendar with the caldav-app Aug 08 19:24:58 Malinux: there is, #harmattan Aug 08 19:26:49 freemangordon: sure. thanx :) <3 I will try it :) Aug 08 19:27:22 Malinux: BTW I didn't mean to kick you off the channel :) Aug 08 19:28:19 freemangordon: NP :) I have been on this channel for a while :) I love maemo, but I got an N9 as replacement for my N900 :( Aug 08 19:28:43 I have bought a used N900 because I like it so much. Don't use it at the moment though Aug 08 19:29:11 is it broken? Aug 08 19:29:52 I've owned a N900 for a while and after my previous phone (a Nokia 5730) somewhat broke down, I switched to the N900 and I'm lovin' it \o/ Aug 08 19:39:34 freemangordon: the usb-connector got broke Aug 08 19:40:29 it's possible to repair that (and you definitely should, IMO) Aug 08 19:40:37 talk.maemo.org should have a relevant thread Aug 08 19:40:51 that one Aug 08 19:41:11 or bring it to the nearest mobile phones repair centre Aug 08 19:41:11 it's so nice to see people still buying or getting n900s in 2013 Aug 08 19:41:39 ashley: probebly. The problem is. Nokia took it and sendt me an N9 instead. I like N9 beside it's a downgrade in some cases, and an upgrade in other Aug 08 19:41:47 Sysaxed: It is rather unfortunate that there is no replacement :( Aug 08 19:41:49 I miss a physical keyboard. Aug 08 19:41:57 ugh Aug 08 19:42:00 Malinux: upgrade O.o Aug 08 19:42:04 hehe :) Aug 08 19:42:10 physical keyboard is one of the many awesome features the N900 has Aug 08 19:42:14 it is Aug 08 19:42:19 I have both a N900 (well, two) and a N9 Aug 08 19:42:30 no, really, what is upgraded, besides CPU and RAM? Aug 08 19:42:31 to be honest. I like the N9 in many ways. Aug 08 19:42:52 Malinux: BTW I have n950, so I know harmattan a bit ;) Aug 08 19:42:57 the new (used N900) I brought has american keyboard... The one I had, had scandinavic... that's suck Aug 08 19:43:14 freemangordon: really?! wish they sendt me a N950 instead of N9.... Aug 08 19:43:26 ~usb-fix Aug 08 19:43:26 usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Aug 08 19:44:20 Malinux: what for? n900 kbd is waaay better than the one in n950 IMO. Not to say that opening the keybaord on n950 is a nightmare, I am afraid it'll jump off my hands everytime I open it Aug 08 19:45:31 freemangordon: ok. I didn't know that. there is 250 people who have a N950 Aug 08 19:46:26 Malinux: well, actually I believe there are more, I guess lots of ex-Nokians have one Aug 08 19:47:17 I prefer the N900 style slider, over the weird left screen up version in N950. Aug 08 19:47:30 :nod: Aug 08 19:47:46 okey... hm.. I always wanted the N950 so badly, but well... :( :'( Aug 08 19:48:36 Malinux: trust me, n900 goes circles around it. Aug 08 19:49:21 Malinux: as everyday phone ofc, not if you have to impress your friend with iCrap or S3 :D Aug 08 19:49:44 s/with/owning/ Aug 08 19:49:44 freemangordon meant: Malinux: as everyday phone ofc, not if you have to impress your friend owning iCrap or S3 :D Aug 08 19:50:03 Fremantle is "way" better then harmattan IMO ;) Aug 08 19:50:08 freemangordon: I know... the N900 is amesaing. Aug 08 19:50:21 hm, not the correct way to spell it :S Aug 08 19:50:25 amasing Aug 08 19:50:27 or something Aug 08 19:50:29 sixwheeledbeast: hi. are you some kind of package interface admin/tester/something? Aug 08 19:50:42 why? Aug 08 19:50:43 sixwheeledbeast: why I ask... Aug 08 19:50:53 is there a way to change the keyboard on the N900 to scandinavic or so? Aug 08 19:50:55 is, because I looked at QA queue Aug 08 19:51:15 there are lots of (maybe orphaned) packages with karma > 6 Aug 08 19:51:29 and noone to promote them Aug 08 19:52:02 :) Aug 08 19:52:28 sixwheeledbeast: there is an old thread on TMO with similar matter, I was wondering is it a good idea to resurrect it, now the package interface is ok Aug 08 19:54:33 or maybe open a new thread, asking for "does anyone have objections if we promote those packages to extras" and if there are no, in a week or so, to promote those Aug 08 19:54:43 freemangordon: Yes and yes I think this is a good idea. Ivan and I we're pushing for maintainers a while back, DARP? Aug 08 19:54:47 freemangordon: well, some phones with ubuntu edge are going to be released soon, so after somebody makes a real mobile linux OS (ubuntu edge os is going to suck for sure) we can finally switch to it. Aug 08 19:55:18 Darp is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/Darp Aug 08 19:56:04 sixwheeledbeast: I am talking about packaes in extras-testing ;) Aug 08 19:56:21 uhhh, is there any way to make whole home folder to be visible from a pc, not just mydocs? Aug 08 19:56:42 Sysaxed: yep, use ssh Aug 08 19:56:58 (or winscp if you are on windoze) Aug 08 19:57:11 Ah, ok well if they have passed QA, they "should" be stable. Aug 08 19:57:13 freemangordon: of course I can access them using ssh, but I want to open it via file manager Aug 08 19:57:40 sixwheeledbeast: yep Aug 08 19:57:53 do you have a list of pkgs? Aug 08 19:57:53 there are at least 10 of those Aug 08 19:57:57 no Aug 08 19:58:26 i just saw that while was fighting with autobuilder/promotion stuff Aug 08 19:59:01 sixwheeledbeast: http://maemo.org/packages/ Aug 08 19:59:14 check "Fremantle Extras-testing QA queue. (user applications)" Aug 08 19:59:15 anybody? Aug 08 19:59:16 It would be nice for them to have a maintainer, lol at the link... ;) Aug 08 19:59:30 and "Fremantle Extras-testing QA queue. (all packages)" Aug 08 19:59:37 yeah :) Aug 08 19:59:50 sixwheeledbeast: sure it would be, but... Aug 08 20:00:29 what is funny, is that qwazix's rawcam is amongst those :) Aug 08 20:00:31 I think it would also be a good idea to purge some of the broken/duplicate packages Aug 08 20:00:47 sixwheeledbeast: duplicate? Aug 08 20:01:01 maemoreactor etc... Aug 08 20:01:15 yeah, maybe Aug 08 20:01:15 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/maemoreactor/0.0.1-5/ Aug 08 20:01:49 sixwheeledbeast: BTW the main reason behind wanting that promotion to happen is pure PR :) Aug 08 20:02:21 users (part of them ofc) will see the maemo is still alive ;) Aug 08 20:02:48 no matter it is dead man walking for the last 2 years :D Aug 08 20:03:42 I agree we NEED to get promotion on the go for N900 users to see orange status menu icon, FYI K9 Call is incompatible with CSSU Aug 08 20:04:03 but has votes Aug 08 20:04:26 as is DrLaunch IIRC Aug 08 20:04:38 hmm, why is that? Aug 08 20:05:24 ooh, I see Aug 08 20:05:37 "...that supports portrait mode." Aug 08 20:05:39 I found a scandinavic keyboard here... :D http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-qwerty-keymat-scandinavian-265854 not sure if it difficult to change it http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-qwerty-keymat-scandinavian-265854 Aug 08 20:05:48 and I don't know how to buy things from that site :p Aug 08 20:06:23 sixwheeledbeast: are you going through QA queue? Aug 08 20:06:34 hildon desktop rotats and Dr launch rotates the opposite way, yes I am. Aug 08 20:06:55 so, once again. Is there any way to make whole home folder visible from pc instead of just MyDocs in mass storage mode? Aug 08 20:07:20 Sysaxed: I guess no, as /home needs to be mounted Aug 08 20:07:33 s/nneds/have to/ Aug 08 20:07:37 shit Aug 08 20:08:29 Opera 12 is buggy too, there maybe an issue with promoting "all" QA'ed packages, I feel. Aug 08 20:08:54 22:54 or maybe open a new thread, asking for "does anyone have objections if we promote those packages to extras" and if there are no, in a week or so, to promote those Aug 08 20:10:22 sixwheeledbeast: well, the correct way to deal for packages not suitable for extras is to vote them down Aug 08 20:10:36 s/deal for/deal with/ Aug 08 20:10:37 freemangordon meant: sixwheeledbeast: well, the correct way to deal with packages not suitable for extras is to vote them down Aug 08 20:10:48 IMO Aug 08 20:11:29 I agree but remeber these maybe votes pre-CSSU? and they work ok on stock. Aug 08 20:11:42 s/remeber/remember/ Aug 08 20:11:42 sixwheeledbeast meant: I agree but remember these maybe votes pre-CSSU? and they work ok on stock. Aug 08 20:12:32 sixwheeledbeast: yeah, somemone need to test those. but it shouldn't be that hard, we talk about 10-20 packages I guess Aug 08 20:14:16 sixwheeledbeast: and if there is a bug not captured, it is supposed to be reported to the package maintainer. And we can withdraw a packge from extras anytime Aug 08 20:14:37 Maybe ping the maintainers to see if they will come back and promote there product? I can start package testing again in the testing squad. Aug 08 20:14:38 IIUC that is how package interface is supposed to work Aug 08 20:14:47 No good if the maintainer is AWOL Aug 08 20:15:17 and you have promoted them. Aug 08 20:15:27 sixwheeledbeast: that would be great, I suspect the promotion not working was a big obstacle :) Aug 08 20:15:52 big is an understatement. Aug 08 20:16:01 sixwheeledbeast: yep, but there is always a chance someone else o take over the maintainership Aug 08 20:16:10 yeah Aug 08 20:17:35 So if I list the packages for promotion and test them, post on TMO for any objections then promote or push back to devel? Aug 08 20:19:55 yep, something like that should do the job. We should try to make the machinery running again. Aug 08 20:20:14 I definitely can't agree to promoting them now without testing them again. I see packages I may have promoted 2 years ago, that have issues or don't work now. Aug 08 20:20:56 after all that was the point of community owned infra aiui Aug 08 20:21:00 sixwheeledbeast: sure Aug 08 20:22:51 Ok well actually I could do a couple at a time and bump the TMO thread if available. Aug 08 20:24:49 maybe. maybe discuss with the other councilors Aug 08 20:27:11 sixwheeledbeast: see, I don't want to lose the momentum we have now, see https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/?C=M;O=D Aug 08 20:27:53 I can only hope this will get better, but we should help that process IMO Aug 08 20:29:17 Yep, I agree. Aug 08 20:30:09 well, innerspin and papertoss I have had on my device for ages with no issues. Aug 08 20:30:35 * freemangordon is going to check WTF are those :D Aug 08 20:31:00 freemangordon: mompls Aug 08 20:31:12 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/inner-spin/0.1.3-10/ Aug 08 20:31:40 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/papertoss/1.0.0-4/ Aug 08 20:32:19 don;t forget to check for optification Aug 08 20:33:21 ooh, games :D Aug 08 20:34:48 this is Pali's http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/battery/0.5/ Aug 08 20:35:15 If I have voted I have checked /opt Aug 08 20:35:57 M4rtinK: do you consider promoting modrana 0.42.1 to extras-testing? Aug 08 20:37:11 freemangordon: I have a new version about ready for release Aug 08 20:37:18 oh, great Aug 08 20:37:19 has quite a few important fixes Aug 08 20:37:50 so I would probably fix that if no serious issues show up after it is released Aug 08 20:38:09 BTW, one of the fixes is working address search :) Aug 08 20:39:07