**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 09 02:59:59 2013 Aug 09 08:30:58 freemangordon: is extmou decent, though? Aug 09 08:31:13 or does it do stuff like extkbd, with packages that replace system packages Aug 09 08:34:21 ~bmerep Aug 09 08:35:13 ~pali Aug 09 08:35:14 well, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ Aug 09 08:39:02 infobot: bmerep is echo "deb http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ ./" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bmerep.list Aug 09 08:39:03 kerio: okay Aug 09 08:45:04 ~bmerep Aug 09 08:45:04 extra, extra, read all about it, bmerep is echo "deb http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ ./" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bmerep.list Aug 09 08:45:07 schweet Aug 09 08:45:31 infobot: no, bmerep is `echo "deb http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ ./" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bmerep.list` Aug 09 08:45:31 okay, kerio Aug 09 08:45:33 ~bmerep Aug 09 08:45:33 it has been said that bmerep is `echo "deb http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ ./" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bmerep.list` Aug 09 08:45:52 ...meh Aug 09 08:45:57 infobot: forget bmerep Aug 09 08:45:57 kerio: i forgot bmerep Aug 09 11:10:58 hi all Aug 09 11:12:43 i am trying to sync maemo contacts with my car Aug 09 11:13:27 my car start download but still cant get contacs Aug 09 11:28:12 DrCode: there is an updated obexd around somewhere Aug 09 11:28:52 http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP Aug 09 11:29:10 works for me Aug 09 11:31:03 this should probably go into CSSU Aug 09 11:45:40 zeq1: it is in cssu Aug 09 11:45:52 latest version? Aug 09 11:46:02 hmm, not sure, but I guess yes Aug 09 11:46:12 wait, latest version of what? Aug 09 11:46:36 for whatever reason it only worked after I installed http://merlin1991.at/~luf/obexd/ Aug 09 11:47:58 zeq1: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/obexd/commits/master Aug 09 11:48:06 freemangordon: btw, working on the toolchain... but I'm only connected via cell (away for the weekend) Aug 09 11:48:27 zeq1: thats great, take your time Aug 09 11:49:29 freemangordon: I guess I didn't see the update because I had already manually installed Aug 09 11:49:42 most probably Aug 09 11:50:32 or I don't have the repo enabled... ?? possible... Aug 09 11:51:33 wife's working through n900 wifi hotspot so I'm not going to check right away ;) Aug 09 11:52:30 reception here is very poor Aug 09 12:07:55 zeq1: assuming an ad-hoc wireless device can be called "hotspot" ;( Aug 09 12:08:58 LjL-Alps: true, but short of having AP firmware it's the best I can do. It works okay. (I'm actually connected via USB/ModemManager) Aug 09 12:09:50 Normally, I'd share the connection via blutooth BNEP, but my wifes laptop has Windows7 and no admin rights. (Work laptop) Aug 09 12:09:56 zeq1: i actually still think it's possible to do AP without a firmware change, but i guess i should speak when i've actually got it to work :P Aug 09 12:10:25 LjL-Alps: only if the existing firmware supports AP mode Aug 09 12:11:03 does it? I assumed it doesn't simply by the lack of an AP based hotspot app Aug 09 12:11:10 zeq1: it doesn't, but it supports monitor mode, and from monitor mode, you can - with the right software - simulate the kind of device you like, according to my understanding Aug 09 12:11:32 interesting Aug 09 12:11:51 zeq1: i've actually already got it to broadcast something that my other devices recognized as an AP - i'm currently stuck at letting it work with WPA2 Aug 09 12:12:25 using supplicant? Aug 09 12:12:57 I've never looked too closely at the available APIs Aug 09 12:13:31 I'm qutie happy with dbus based automatic bluetooth/usb networking Aug 09 12:13:36 zeq1: yeah. wpa_supplicant for the encryption, and airbase-ng to "simulate" an AP. they may not play well together. besides, i have zero knowledge about the wpa_supplicant.conf syntax. going to try again now Aug 09 12:14:03 zeq1: that wouldn't be very useful for me, here we have 4 computers all using my 3G connection Aug 09 12:14:34 no problem with bnep and 4 computers as long as they have bluetooth :) Aug 09 12:14:44 it's not going to be very fast though, i assume Aug 09 12:15:14 3G maxes out at 7Mbs anyway Aug 09 12:16:01 It would be nice to have a proper wifi AP though Aug 09 12:16:13 Bluetooth uses much less power however Aug 09 12:16:16 zeq1: 3G does, HDSPA goes faster than that Aug 09 12:16:43 yeah for wifi AP one *definitely* needs to keep the phone plugged in, and even then, my phone doesn't really get enough power from the wall brick much of the time Aug 09 12:16:47 LTE does. I've never seen more than 7mbs from 3g Aug 09 12:16:56 HDSPA Aug 09 12:17:14 zeq1: well, Wikipedia says: Current HSDPA deployments support down-link speeds of up to 42 Mbit/s. Further speed increases are available with HSPA+, which provides speeds of up to 337 Mbit/s with Release 11 of the 3GPP standards. Aug 09 12:17:48 I'm pretty sure that's LTE aka 4G Aug 09 12:18:01 (yes 4G is really 3G ;) ) Aug 09 12:19:15 uh Aug 09 12:19:20 on my connection here according to speedtest I only get 2.2 down and 1.5 up (rural location) Aug 09 12:20:37 well you can't base it on a single cell's reception, networks have widely varying cell ability. anyway HSDPA is what the N900 calls "3.5G", and i'm pretty sure it's not LTE, which is an entirely different and incompatible standard Aug 09 12:20:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Term_Evolution Aug 09 12:21:25 yes, N900 only does up to HSDPA Aug 09 12:21:37 "... using a different radio interface ..." Aug 09 12:21:48 yes, and HSDPA is the one that goes at 43Mbps :P Aug 09 12:21:50 2* Aug 09 12:21:54 at least it can in theory Aug 09 12:22:24 about 4G, see the wikipedia page above Aug 09 12:22:44 i have. Aug 09 12:22:51 that was a quotation from it Aug 09 12:22:53 I can't even get 10Mbit out of wired internet Aug 09 12:23:07 wireless sounds like a lie too good to be true Aug 09 12:23:07 it also says "The LTE wireless interface is incompatible with 2G and 3G networks, so that it must be operated on a separate wireless spectrum." Aug 09 12:23:17 so i don't see how it can "really be 3G" Aug 09 12:23:24 LjL-Alps: ah okay :$ Aug 09 12:23:27 it's not even transmitted on the same frequencies Aug 09 12:24:08 because 3G is about the protocol/standards not the frequencies Aug 09 12:25:03 jon_y: wired ethernet on an n900? Aug 09 12:25:11 zeq1: on my PC Aug 09 12:25:30 yes well the protocol is entirely different too Aug 09 12:25:31 LjL-Alps: different countries use different frequencies anyway Aug 09 12:25:33 LTE doesn't even natively support voicecalls Aug 09 12:25:43 multiply that with a million others devices/tablets Aug 09 12:25:54 sounds like something too good to be true Aug 09 12:25:58 LjL-Alps: voice has indeed been dropped Aug 09 12:26:22 seriously, it doesn't even use WCMDA, it has literally nothing in common with UMTS Aug 09 12:26:48 LjL-Alps: communication technoligies are very layered Aug 09 12:27:01 designed by committee Aug 09 12:27:19 upper level protocols are interchangeable without affecting the lower levels Aug 09 12:27:46 jon_y: I get ~800Mbs on my ethernet at home Aug 09 12:28:21 zeq1: yeah, that kind of insane speeds I can't imagine Aug 09 12:28:38 zeq1: ok and i'm telling you most layers are different. maybe the upper couple of layers are similar, but then, you'd have to define me "3G": if "3G" is UMTS, then LTE is definitely not UMTS; if 3G is "short for third Generation, is the third generation of mobile telecommunications technology", as according to Wikipedia, then by definition, 4G is not 3G Aug 09 12:28:39 LjL-Alps: the wiki page opens with "LTE is a standard for wireless data communications technology and an evolution of the GSM/UMTS standards." speaks for itself I think. Aug 09 12:28:46 Netflix and streaming actually makes sense there Aug 09 12:29:24 I'm only going by what 3GPP says Aug 09 12:29:44 zeq1: do you get a routable IP address? Aug 09 12:29:44 "Although marketed as a 4G wireless service, LTE (as specified in the 3GPP Release 8 and 9 document series) does not satisfy the technical requirements the 3GPP consortium has adopted for its new standard generation, and which were originally set forth by the ITU-R organization in its IMT-Advanced specification." Aug 09 12:30:08 NAT everywhere for anything fiber Aug 09 12:30:17 jon_y: with what? Aug 09 12:30:30 your 800mbit internet connection Aug 09 12:30:55 I only have a 50Mbit internet connection, my internal network is Gbit Aug 09 12:31:03 I wouldn't be surprised my next option has 2 layers of NAT Aug 09 12:31:14 oh ok 50Mbit Aug 09 12:31:30 also, the sales people have no idea what NAT is Aug 09 12:31:57 I have an effectively routable IP address (technically not, but it only has changed once in 5 years) Aug 09 12:32:03 so I can't even move to something that is not my crappy DSL Aug 09 12:32:24 what do you mean effectively routable? Aug 09 12:32:42 bridge mode is the only way to go on DSL Aug 09 12:33:17 I have only 1 external IPv4 address, but I have an IPv6 tunnel ;) Aug 09 12:33:44 I too have IPv6 tunnel, over 6TO4 Aug 09 12:33:55 public 6TO4 Aug 09 12:33:59 zeq1: the EeePC i'm typing from is an IBM compatible computer, yet it's certainly not the same "generation" as the IBM PC, and this isn't even an accurate analogy, because this *is* compatible with the IBM PC, while LTE is *not* compatible with GSM/UMTS (phones need to be dual-mode, or LTE-only). i suggest you check the Wikipedia parapgraphs i quoted, too, for things that speak for themselves. Aug 09 12:34:22 I need to go walk my dog, I'll be back later (wife nagging) Aug 09 12:34:24 so NAT'ed ipv4 but routable ipv6? Aug 09 12:34:49 yes Aug 09 12:35:02 ah ok, I wish my ISP supported ipv6 Aug 09 12:35:19 but I also use IPv4 address as a public address with a DNS server running on it... Aug 09 12:35:25 again, sales people go "huh? what's IP?" Aug 09 12:36:03 they keep telling you the virtues of moving to fiber though Aug 09 12:36:08 http://ip6.nl/#!snewbury.org.uk Aug 09 12:36:27 bbl Aug 09 12:36:38 cool website Aug 09 12:37:34 little known fact, 6TO4 works on any ipv4 addressed device Aug 09 12:37:46 as long as it is publicly routable address Aug 09 12:38:02 this fact seems to escape most sales people Aug 09 12:40:43 shame my services are down right now due to hdd failure :( Aug 09 12:40:55 hdd failures :( Aug 09 12:41:18 insufficient cooling :( Aug 09 12:41:30 anyway, off now... Aug 09 12:41:38 * LjL-Alps is kind of surprised there are so few [working] SUPL servers known to be available, and that SUPL itself is so obscure a thing Aug 09 12:42:43 why can't, say, OpenCellID offer a SUPL server? Aug 09 12:43:53 or for that matter, can't we "inject" locations into Maemo, so that things like cellnet-info could actually be providers of coarse location? Aug 09 12:52:28 LjL-Alps: it's probably due to the amount of traffic a SUPL server would receive given there are so few of them. Aug 09 12:58:53 given the privacy concerns, an open supl server would be an interesting project tho' Aug 09 12:59:05 LjL-Alps: Just reading: http://www.gmat.unsw.edu.au/snap/publications/lib_etal2010c.pdf Aug 09 12:59:46 It should definitely be possible to utilize GSM information Aug 09 13:01:18 possible != easy Aug 09 13:16:46 is there a public library/API for accessing the GSM modem on Maemo? Aug 09 13:17:26 ofono. Aug 09 13:18:03 Hurrian: and that has access to location information/GPS Control Plane? Aug 09 13:18:40 zeq1: you can read out gps, sure, but the protocol's closed. Aug 09 13:19:21 Hurrian: I mean for getting network a-gps data Aug 09 13:20:34 zeq1: haven't played around with agps, sorry. Aug 09 13:20:37 I assume the n900 doesn't currently do a-gps other than via SUPL? Aug 09 13:20:52 yes, AGPS is provided by supl. Aug 09 13:21:07 *other than* Aug 09 13:21:08 only toyed around with the phone control part so far. Aug 09 13:21:38 GSM also provides a-gps data Aug 09 13:21:49 (but only if implemented) Aug 09 13:22:48 zeq1: that's interesting. those guys seem to use a protocol called GRIP instead of SUPL, though. if we found an open source SUPL server (i know there is something called "supl-proxy" that may be adapted, maybe), we could probably run the SUPL server directly on the N900, and get its info from OpenCellID Aug 09 13:23:10 as to privacy concerns, i'd honestly rather communicate with an open, non-profit server than Nokia or Google ;) Aug 09 13:24:07 i don't think network-assisted GPS is very common at all in Europe, i'm under the impression it's much more common in the US with CDMA (actually, iirc CDMA cells just directly broadcast their latitude and longitude, which is quite something) Aug 09 13:24:11 yes, we know, they know where we are ;) Aug 09 13:24:12 but i may very well be wrong Aug 09 13:24:34 i mean network-assisted as in non-SUPL Aug 09 13:25:20 my cssu-devel battery applet has gone crazy, i had 1000mah left out of 5mah :P Aug 09 13:25:20 no wonder it's 100% Aug 09 13:25:43 LjL-Alps: I honestly don't know, I just had my interested piqued so did a quick googling Aug 09 13:26:26 "4G" should have location support to (doesn't help N900 though) Aug 09 13:26:32 *too Aug 09 13:27:26 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=stTSHdFhrFUC&pg=PA280&lpg=PA280&dq=a-gps+control+plane+UMTS&source=bl&ots=z7PgWGndQk&sig=QTX3K2OPXXUA67eCi4I0KhF5ydM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JO4EUpLlC8nY7AbltoCYAg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=a-gps%20control%20plane%20UMTS&f=false Aug 09 13:28:05 TS25.331 Aug 09 13:30:39 for UMTS and TS44.031 for GSM Aug 09 13:31:20 of course it may not be widely deployed? Aug 09 13:33:15 http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/149000_149099/149031/09.00.00_60/ts_149031v090000p.pdf Aug 09 13:52:47 i've got too many things i'm playing with on my new N900, i should pick one and concentrate on it :P or at least write the list down 'cause i keep forgetting Aug 09 13:54:57 I've just got too many things to do.. :P Aug 09 13:56:12 I know that feeling :D But thats normal... in my case: DOSBox, PyBrain/FANN/other neural networks stuff, Arch Linux, Gentoo, NITDroid and finally the broken USB port (still waiting for my microUSB ports from dx.com) Aug 09 13:58:37 Oh yeah and qemu, n2n and GPIO fun (IR night vision :D) Aug 09 14:03:12 i hope my USB port survives for a while, i have no idea about soldering and such stuff Aug 09 14:03:31 i have a USB cable with very loose "clamps", that hopefully won't put too much of a strain on the port when removing Aug 09 14:06:01 the main problem is not removing, but the phone dropping off your desk with the charger connected ;) Aug 09 14:07:49 the broken usb is now not a big problem for me (2 batteries and external charger) but im scared about reflash :D (that means no crazy uboot/alternative systems stuff :-/).. so only things i can do with my glorious n900 now is smsing/phoning/browsing and finaly the python coding Aug 09 14:08:32 in other words: nothing interesting :D Aug 09 14:09:37 heh, funny, i can tune the N900's FM receiver to the N900's FM transmitter, and see the RDS info from it :P Aug 09 14:09:57 in something two weeks i expect the usb's from dx so i will try my soldering skills (it is going to be funny - but not for me) Aug 09 14:10:22 * in two weeks -- -1* something Aug 09 14:15:46 lexik: you're very unlikely (or unlucky) to have a problem flashing Aug 09 14:16:29 it's all pretty well tested by now Aug 09 14:20:55 LjL-Alps: :D Aug 09 14:21:02 shame there's no good way to set the rds info Aug 09 14:21:05 is there? Aug 09 14:47:00 kerio: uh, i thought there was, i have an RDS widget installed that's supposed to show you callers' names on the radio. i haven't actually tested it since my car radio seems to be N900-proof, and my home radio has no RDS Aug 09 14:47:29 kerio: still, find /sys | grep rds shows a few things. apparently no "raw" RDS interface though, to send AF signals or other stuff Aug 09 14:47:31 neato Aug 09 14:47:47 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/rds_ps_name ? Aug 09 14:47:55 i meant UI-wise Aug 09 14:48:11 the last time i heard, there was something that kept resetting the station name to NOKIA Aug 09 14:48:39 Nokia thought it would make a nice ad :) Aug 09 14:49:16 kerio: that's possible, it did show "Nokia" on FMRadio even though i had told FMRDSWidget (or whatever it's called) to show something else Aug 09 14:49:27 you just have to keep hammering on it i think Aug 09 14:49:44 also, rds also has some "extra info" thing Aug 09 14:50:01 for song titles and stuff like that Aug 09 14:50:01 but not many things support it Aug 09 14:52:42 kerio: that can be set i think, it's rds_radio_text Aug 09 14:52:57 what would be extra-nice though is this: Aug 09 14:53:48 the Nokia keeps monitoring its own tx frequency using the rx (or maybe the TX itself can do it, i read somewhere that the chip can, although it's not done); if it realizes there's too much interference on that frequency, it scans for another free one, and then sends an RDS AF signal to make the car radio switch Aug 09 14:54:12 in theory, it would work Aug 09 14:54:51 but it can't be done if we have no access to the RDS signals like AF Aug 09 14:55:29 on an unrelated note: [POLL] KP52 or KCSSU (for Thumb)? Aug 09 14:56:12 they're literally the same thing Aug 09 14:56:33 oh and if it were possible to send the TP (i think that's what it's called, Traffic Program) signal, we could make CD/tape playback interrupt itself when a call is incoming Aug 09 14:56:45 that, too, would be neato Aug 09 14:56:58 otoh Aug 09 14:57:07 kerum: uhm, are they? i was reading some wiki page listing patches that were taken out of KCSSU... also, if i reboot from KP into KCSSU, things go awry and i have to remove the battery Aug 09 14:57:09 why aren't you listening to your n900's music playback? Aug 09 14:57:21 install kcssu's modules i guess Aug 09 14:57:22 kerio: heh Aug 09 14:58:12 LjL-Alps: kerio: for RDS, AF, TP and such, we only need to tweak fmtx kernel module Aug 09 14:58:31 and export different sysfs nodes Aug 09 14:58:32 isn't it a userland daemon? Aug 09 14:58:34 on the RX side, it would be nice if we could receive TMC (the car traffic info), and use it with some maps program Aug 09 14:58:36 or is that just for audio? Aug 09 14:58:43 BUT!!! Aug 09 14:58:47 freemangordon: that's closed-source though right? Aug 09 14:58:56 LjL-Alps: we've got the internet now Aug 09 14:59:01 stop trying to make radio happen Aug 09 14:59:04 it ain't gonna happen Aug 09 14:59:04 kerio: heh Aug 09 14:59:05 we deiscussed once the "NOKIA" thingie Aug 09 14:59:29 and it seems it is illegal in Europe to have RDS changing the text Aug 09 14:59:30 kerio: seriously though... there's literally no "free" traffic info available (aside from Waze, which is closed-source now and we only have an old version) Aug 09 14:59:35 freemangordon: wat Aug 09 14:59:39 freemangordon: uuuh? Aug 09 14:59:54 and we decided that for safety we'll keep it that way Aug 09 15:00:03 italy's public radio stations do it Aug 09 15:00:08 reading while driving isn;t the safest way to drive ;) Aug 09 15:00:24 kerio: they do it here too, , so what? Aug 09 15:00:25 so yeah, it's not a european thing Aug 09 15:00:29 it is Aug 09 15:00:40 freemangordon: also wait, what does that mean, that my FMRDS widget won't actually work, and that neither will the N900's player show the song's name like the sysfs things would indicate? Aug 09 15:00:42 they just don;t obey the rules Aug 09 15:00:43 *what* is illegal, exactly? Aug 09 15:01:01 LjL-Alps: it will almost work Aug 09 15:01:06 LjL-Alps: to be fair, rds station name is an awful way to display the title of a song Aug 09 15:01:15 you only have like 8 characters Aug 09 15:01:21 kerio: well, it can be made to scroll Aug 09 15:01:32 LjL-Alps: wanna some Qt code doing that? Aug 09 15:01:35 which looks awful with a non-monospaced font Aug 09 15:01:41 (written by me) Aug 09 15:01:57 freemangordon: i vote cssu ships a tweaked module that displays "PENIS" instead of "NOKIA" Aug 09 15:02:10 you can just hexedit it, too! Aug 09 15:02:28 freemangordon, i have no clue yet how to cross-compile anything for Maemo, and as of now i'm on capped 3G so couldn't even download a toolchain Aug 09 15:02:37 LjL-Alps: it listen to mafw, displays "Maemo FM" instead of "Nokia", etc Aug 09 15:02:54 LjL-Alps: you can do the same in python Aug 09 15:03:04 and use Qt code as an example Aug 09 15:03:14 what to do, as it is a bit tricky Aug 09 15:03:15 freemangordon: the FMRDS widget is supposed to display "Maemo FM" too by default, are you sure its author didn't use your code initially Aug 09 15:03:22 yes Aug 09 15:03:47 I wrote it because FMRDS widget doesn't war as intended on >=PR1.3 Aug 09 15:03:51 *work Aug 09 15:04:01 ah, i see Aug 09 15:04:15 well sure, send away. i should get my RTLSDR to work on this computer so i can actually see RDS data Aug 09 15:04:19 and "Maemo FM" was what was visible on <=PR1.2 Aug 09 15:04:21 do any of you have an RTLSDR dongle? Aug 09 15:04:30 or 1.1, can;t remember Aug 09 15:06:38 freemangordon: one thing, if it's illegal in *Europe*, won't changing "region" in sysfs override it? (although i have no idea which regions 1-2-3-4-5 correspond to) Aug 09 15:07:33 I guess no, it is hardcoded afaik Aug 09 15:08:46 Wait "Maemo FM"? I have never seen this, only "Nokia" Aug 09 15:09:12 seems you're to young for that :P Aug 09 15:09:16 *too Aug 09 15:09:19 i'm youngest Aug 09 15:09:24 my N900 is like two weeks old! Aug 09 15:09:49 LjL-Alps: http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/fmrds.zip Aug 09 15:10:10 it includes compiled binary too Aug 09 15:10:30 I was looking for a why to change this from Nokia permanently but gave up. Aug 09 15:10:37 s/why/way/ Aug 09 15:11:05 sixwheeledbeast: look at the zip ^^^ Aug 09 15:11:50 young! I have had one since 2010 Aug 09 15:12:24 sixwheeledbeast: weird, Nokia changed that in PR1.2 or 1.3 Aug 09 15:12:40 hmm, maybe it was in 1.2 Aug 09 15:13:43 I remember updating to PR1.2 weeks after getting it TBH Aug 09 15:14:04 So what is this "zip" a qt package? Aug 09 15:14:22 qt project Aug 09 15:14:44 which displays the currently playing song on your radio display Aug 09 15:15:11 freemangordon: thanks, had a look, but i don't think i understand what the key "trick" is, as far as i can understand, you're sending a few dbus fmtx requests, giving them some massaged text Aug 09 15:15:14 sixwheeledbeast: along woth "Maemo FM" Aug 09 15:15:37 Well since CSSU I have had next playing song on the second line of RDS text IIRC Aug 09 15:16:04 LjL-Alps: the key is that you listen to fmtx dbus service "Changed" signal Aug 09 15:16:16 freemangordon: ah, to change it back immediately? Aug 09 15:16:22 :nod: Aug 09 15:16:47 sixwheeledbeast: well, my BMW Business radio has only one line Aug 09 15:16:51 I just wish to be able to stop the top line from reverting to Nokia after I change it with fmtx_client Aug 09 15:17:22 sixwheeledbeast: then ^^^ will do the job for you, you'll need to tweak it a bit ofc Aug 09 15:17:27 One line RDS on a beamer WTF? ;) Aug 09 15:17:50 yep, it is stock Business Radio Aug 09 15:17:56 and my car is not the last X6 ;) Aug 09 15:18:00 apparently someone has written a TMC-capable driver for the N900's RX Aug 09 15:18:03 *latest Aug 09 15:18:04 I will have a play thanks. Aug 09 15:18:14 well, not specifically TMC-capable, just something that lets you look at the raw RDS stream Aug 09 15:18:39 LjL-Alps: check the stuff in /sys, there are lots of things there Aug 09 15:19:26 freemangordon: i saw there are many things for the tx, but had thought the rx was only usable through dbus. i'll look better Aug 09 15:19:56 LjL-Alps: AIUI dbus end in /sys :) Aug 09 15:19:56 *ends Aug 09 15:20:43 though it was some time ago I last played with rx/tx, so I might be wrong Aug 09 15:21:59 sixwheeledbeast: BTW how's promotion going, I saw not many interested in your thread :( Aug 09 15:22:07 one funny thing i found in sys about the TX was an "antenna_capacitor" parameter, that apparently depends on the tuned frequency, and if you change it to something not good for that frequency, signal gets worse Aug 09 15:22:26 freemangordon: lots of thanks so people are interested. Aug 09 15:22:45 LjL-Alps: apparently you should leave that to "auto" :P Aug 09 15:23:00 Also nicolai has pushed connectagram through to testing so it is working. Aug 09 15:23:06 sixwheeledbeast: hmm, ok, I hope you're right Aug 09 15:23:17 nice Aug 09 15:23:34 freemangordon: yep, it seems the driver makes the best choice. still funny :P Aug 09 15:23:44 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/connectagram/1.0.1maemo0-1/ #maemo PLEASE QA and VOTE Aug 09 15:24:04 LjL-Alps: no, it is the chip itself that does it iird Aug 09 15:24:07 *iirc Aug 09 15:29:06 freemangordon: if all stays quiet. I may feature a package I have tested in that thread each week or something. Did you see that some of the testing queue were already in extras too. Aug 09 15:29:46 sixwheeledbeast: both in the queue and in extras? Aug 09 15:30:15 I guess those in the queue are newer versions Aug 09 15:31:00 correct see logs from 30 minutes after you went to bed last night, exact same package. Aug 09 15:31:15 qwazix and I found some. Aug 09 15:31:20 ~logs Aug 09 15:31:24 ~log Aug 09 15:31:31 bot missing? Aug 09 15:31:36 ~rape infobot Aug 09 15:31:41 dead Aug 09 15:31:44 ~ping Aug 09 15:32:07 DocScrutinizer51: she is dead Aug 09 15:32:18 freemangordon: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-09.log.html#t2013-08-09T01:01:02 Aug 09 15:32:25 thanks Aug 09 15:33:27 sixwheeledbeast: oh, I see, another DB mess :( Aug 09 15:33:46 it is sorted out now, correct? Aug 09 15:42:19 yep, sorted ;) Aug 09 15:42:45 good Aug 09 15:42:51 anyway, i have to run Aug 09 15:43:05 night Aug 09 15:44:38 o/ Aug 09 15:45:30 freemangordon: Or morning in the Pacific Time Zone. ;-) Aug 09 15:46:52 Or afternoon if UTC ;) Aug 09 15:47:11 ~ugt Aug 09 15:48:35 or just say whatever it is at your place and expect any other IRC user to not make note of his different timezone Aug 09 15:48:46 but since most people lack that common sense, nerds had to invent UGT Aug 09 15:51:55 * brolin_empey is reminded of the amibiosornot Web site. Aug 09 16:00:18 ugt was to stop noise from making note of his/her's different timezone. Aug 09 16:13:40 is the bluetooth/fmrx module supposed to be called "bcm2048" or "radio_bcm2048"? i have the latter with KP52 and KCSSU, but only some fm radio programs work (C FM Radio i think) Aug 09 16:25:57 uhm also is /dev/radio0 on your devices the transmitter or the receiver? for me (right now at least) radio0 is the transmitter, but it seems not to match some source code i have Aug 09 17:23:56 uhm just double checking, there isn't an official or otherwise sleek car mount for the N900, is there Aug 09 17:31:10 LjL-Alps: sleek? Aug 09 17:34:42 What car? Aug 09 17:41:11 sixwheeledbeast^: sleek as in, suited for the specific phones. there are "universal" car holders, but they're typically very large and have to be "set up". (any car, i mean just a suction cup holder) Aug 09 17:41:28 my Motorola Milestone's car holder is the best. the phone just clicks into it Aug 09 17:41:38 I have a friend with a skoda A-pillar mount for N900 but I am not sure how that works for different cars. Aug 09 17:44:12 LjL-Alps: He has the slight issue of the mount hitting the power button due to it's "sleek" design. momplz and I'll ask him. Aug 09 17:45:51 He believes it's a Brodit Pro-clip with extra bits to suit Skoda A pillar. Aug 09 17:47:55 you can have the keyboard open too if there's clearance. Aug 09 17:50:17 but auxillary covers have to be removed to slide it into the holder Aug 09 17:52:07 found it http://www.dsldevelopments.com/brodit/holder/Nokia+N900-Brodit-Holder.asp Aug 09 17:55:00 sixwheeledbeast^: uhm, not sure which brodit, the ones i see on google are still pretty bulky. the one my phone has is like this http://www.droidforums.net/pics/motorola-droid-holder-gps.png - i guess one could always do what's been done here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=762044 Aug 09 17:56:15 damn, i need a N900 holder like that for my bicycle Aug 09 17:56:34 the one swb linked Aug 09 17:58:01 As I say it seems to catch the power button on insertion, other than that my friend is happy with it. Aug 09 17:58:38 i now use icecream box carton and a lot of ductape Aug 09 17:58:42 :P Aug 09 17:59:10 500ml plastic bottle not work? Aug 09 17:59:31 i use carton to fold a good shape and tape to strengthen Aug 09 17:59:58 usually lasts over a year before the adhesive on the metal dissolves Aug 09 18:00:20 ill link a pic soon, too lazy to find it on this tiny screen:) Aug 09 19:14:30 oh neat there's a newer version of Waze on google code Aug 09 19:31:29 hey, try using FCamera with the "flash led always on" option, and putting your finger on the LED (but careful, it might be kinda hot), only pressing slightly... you'll immediately understand how "heartrate" apps work, by either looking at the pulsating colors, or at the changing histogram Aug 09 19:41:06 Funky Aug 09 19:41:10 LjL-Alps: Also: Aug 09 19:41:46 http://gizmodo.com/5994798/your-web-cam-can-see-your-heart-rate-which-isnt-creepy-at-all Aug 09 20:08:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1366122#post1366122 Where to find a mirror of #scratchbox /debian/dists/harmattan/main/binary-armel ? #HarmattanDev #N950club #MeeGo #n9 Aug 09 20:10:12 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1366122#post1366122 Where to find a mirror of #scratchbox /debian/dists/harmattan/main/binary-armel ? #HarmattanDev #N950club #MeeGo #n9 Aug 09 20:33:35 SpeedEvil: ah yeah, the new Kinect too can sense your heartrate i think Aug 09 20:34:02 SpeedEvil: and for Android there's an app that does it, but i don't have a front camera so it won't work for me (also, slow) Aug 09 20:34:22 i'm sure it could be done with the N900's front camera... i mean, it's not like it's dark at all :P Aug 09 20:34:47 It should also be doable quite easily with broadcast or streaming video Aug 09 20:37:12 SpeedEvil: yeah, that part *is* creepy Aug 09 20:37:41 SpeedEvil: especially when you check out the article linked *from* the one you linked to, which gives an example of "amplifying" a blush :P Aug 09 20:38:42 You can also get oxygen saturation, and breathing rate. Aug 09 20:39:03 it's funny how the N900 has so many potential methods - GSM network, NTP, GPS, FM RDS - to determine the correct time, but still has to ask you whenever you swap the battery :P Aug 09 20:39:37 SpeedEvil: breathing rate yeah, the Android app does that - but oxygen saturation? i thought that required watching two frequencies one of which probably had to be infrared Aug 09 20:40:09 You can pick it up somewhat as I understand it - it depends on skin tone Aug 09 20:40:19 SpeedEvil: actually the reason i tested this on the N900 at all was because i suspected its white+red LED combo might allow it to be used as a pulse oxymeter Aug 09 20:40:42 White LEDs typically have zero output in IR Aug 09 20:40:42 (as opposed to just heart rate monitor, which is obviously doable) Aug 09 20:41:14 SpeedEvil: well but what about the red LED? you know, the "privacy" led that lights up when recording a video Aug 09 20:41:26 That will just be red Aug 09 20:41:31 SpeedEvil: besides, i'm not really sure you need IR, maybe you just need two different-enough frequencies Aug 09 20:41:36 Again - those are pretty narrowband Aug 09 20:41:54 The CIR transmitter in principle might work - I can't remember where that is Aug 09 20:42:14 SpeedEvil: it's kind of in the wrong place, near the camera button Aug 09 21:18:05 hi everyone. I have tried Khwheeteur, Twimgo, Tweego, witter, and the conversations plugin to try and have Twitter available on my n900 with no success. Does any of these programs work (and I'm using them wrong)? Should I use another program? Aug 09 21:20:09 gomiam: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88248 Aug 09 21:20:17 backport of N9 application Tweetian Aug 09 21:20:40 thanks :-) Aug 09 21:20:47 :) Aug 09 21:21:14 testing now Aug 09 21:29:30 I had forgotten to enable a few repositories, it seems (duh) Aug 09 21:50:00 hey, I have the finnish (scandinavian?) hw keyboard layout on my n900 and would like to play chaos strikes back on it, its config seems simple enough and has "pc scancode" mappings modified for n900 but where might I find what code corresponds to the 'Ä' button that's where the up arrow would be on US layout? Aug 09 21:53:35 it's a line that says "key 1 000111 480000" where 111 is dpad up Aug 09 21:55:20 hmm..guess wiki has some about it Aug 09 22:05:35 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Aug 09 22:07:55 wonder if there's a similar map for non-english layout around http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1130652&postcount=3 Aug 09 22:08:10 (or in some file?) Aug 09 22:08:32 can't remember anymore where to look to be honest :p Aug 09 22:15:50 scancodes should be always same no matter which keymapping Aug 09 22:16:32 since scancodes are lowest level hw codes that are directly linked to physical location of key on kbd Aug 09 22:16:51 hmm... what I'd like to do for that specific game is to tell it to use '.' for left, left arrow for down, right arrow for right and Ä for up Aug 09 22:17:17 it's SDL as far as I can tell Aug 09 22:17:28 no idea about SDL Aug 09 22:21:58 you could use xev and check "keycode" Aug 09 22:22:32 I tried with xev but either missed or didn't find the output I was looking for Aug 09 22:22:40 I'll try again.. Aug 09 22:22:41 xev shows whole x-message data, incl raw keycode which never changes Aug 09 22:22:48 Lava_Croft: finally managed to install everything I need for tweetian... trying to log in Aug 09 22:24:26 joga: except xev seems not available on N900? :-o Aug 09 22:24:57 DocScrutinizer05, I do have it actually but seems it has focus problems, my keyb input goes to the terminal I started it from Aug 09 22:25:17 that's kinda normal Aug 09 22:25:23 I think Aug 09 22:25:55 but if I do xev|grep keycode on my pc and press keys on the white box, it shows them fine, on n900 I just get 'ä's in the terminal Aug 09 22:26:20 tried clicking it first etc but doesn't seem to work right.. Aug 09 22:26:54 might as well try the same code, seems plausible anyway Aug 09 22:26:55 well, xev on "normal" desktop opens a new window Aug 09 22:27:08 yes, and I switch focus to that one to give input Aug 09 22:27:18 for obvious reasons this has potential to kinda fail on hildon-desktop Aug 09 22:27:29 I dunno, for me it does open a new window just like on pc Aug 09 22:27:44 but maybe it fails on some non-obvious level, dunno Aug 09 22:28:14 actually what xev does is listening but *not* handling x-input-messages Aug 09 22:28:30 so the input still gets handled as usual Aug 09 22:28:44 and will end in window which has focus Aug 09 22:29:16 but also the window where you started xev shows the dump of x-message data Aug 09 22:29:43 usually the new window that xev opens has the focus Aug 09 22:30:09 so in *this* window even mouse-events get reported Aug 09 22:30:35 while kbd-events are x-messages that are gobal to all windows Aug 09 22:30:51 so xev reports them no matter which window has focus Aug 09 22:31:26 mouse-evens only get reported when they happen to/in xev new window Aug 09 22:32:44 anyway check what option the readkey() or whatever function in SDL offers. There probably is either a flag "raw" or a return parameter "raw" or "keycode" Aug 09 22:32:50 on n900 or in general? on my pc at least I need to focus the xev white window to get any output in terminal Aug 09 22:33:54 ooops you're right. Scrap the nonsense I told about keycodes Aug 09 22:34:00 err kbd-events Aug 09 22:34:49 indeed xev dumps kbd-evens only when the xev-white-win has focus Aug 09 22:38:59 ah, started easydebian's lxde and ran xev in there, works better Aug 09 22:39:48 but yeah, codewise they should be correct then unless I'm overlooking something Aug 09 22:41:01 though I wonder if checking for them under lxde is a bright idea or not Aug 09 22:42:55 shouldn't differ from fremantle Aug 09 22:43:05 err hildon-desktop Aug 09 22:43:10 installing tweetian requires some patience :-) (and I have to do strange things to switch out of it too) Aug 09 22:44:04 joga: from backupmenu: Aug 09 22:44:08 KEY=`/usr/sbin/evkey -u -t 1000 /dev/input/event1` Aug 09 22:44:09 if [ -n "$KEY" ] ; then Aug 09 22:44:11 if [ $KEY == 28 ]; then #enter Aug 09 22:44:16 ... Aug 09 22:44:29 keyToNum="16 22 4 17 19 24 20 8 14 15 - - - - 0 18 3 5 6 7 9 10 11 - - - - - 25 23 2 21 1 13 12" Aug 09 22:44:31 #+16 q w e r t y u i o p a s d f g h j k l z x c v b n m Aug 09 22:47:00 elif [ $KEY == 29 -o $KEY == 42 -o $KEY == 100 ]; then #alt, shift or control Aug 09 22:47:02 true Aug 09 22:47:03 else #normal characters - add key Aug 09 22:49:36 from /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenu.item Aug 09 22:50:16 should have all you need, not even any messing around with X or SDL Aug 09 22:50:43 the trick is: /usr/sbin/evkey -u -t 1000 /dev/input/event1 Aug 09 22:55:58 ok, almost done it seems: tweetian works ok, and now I need to know where to press to get back the the n900 program selection thingy :-) Aug 09 22:56:21 DocScrutinizer05, thanks, just had to add a small wait there, sleep 1; echo now; evkey -u -t 1000 /dev/input/event1, because it was swallowing my enter up Aug 09 22:56:54 while :; do /usr/sbin/evkey -u -t 1000 /dev/input/event1; done Aug 09 22:57:04 so I got 103 for output from the Ä button, 0x67 and tried to add it to conf but doesn't seem like it works Aug 09 22:58:41 i guess maybe crashing is my N900's way of telling me "no, i don't support RDS through V4L" Aug 09 22:58:53 DocScrutinizer05, ye that's better, probably should make an ascii map out of this so that others don't need to bother... :) Aug 09 22:59:23 it's not ASCII, it's keymap (X,Y) Aug 09 22:59:52 DocScrutinizer05, I mean a post like this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1130652&postcount=3 Aug 09 22:59:54 IOW, your Ä key is my UP key Aug 09 23:00:56 hmm Aug 09 23:01:14 well I wonder now if it's at all possible to get this without changing the layout Aug 09 23:05:45 actually now that I looked more closely, the codes in the config file (for CSB) aren't the same as in the post above for the left/right arrow keys, so I'm just doing it wrong anyway Aug 09 23:07:00 it maps UDLR as 111,112,114,113 Aug 09 23:07:52 which I figured would map to the keys in the post but apparently not since that's 111,116,113,114 Aug 09 23:08:19 oh, crap, hold on.. Aug 09 23:09:07 the post is complete gibberish to me, nfc what it is meant to say Aug 09 23:20:37 here is my output of /usr/sbin/evkey -u -t 1000 /dev/input/event1 for SYM...BS; FUN..CR; Shift...RIGHT(US keymat) -- thus upper-left right then down, till lower-right: 29 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 51 14; 100 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 52 103 28(CR); 42(shift) 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 57(space) 105 108 106 Aug 09 23:21:16 29=ctrl, 14=backspace Aug 09 23:22:38 joga: this should be identical to yours, no matter which keymapping and which keymat you got Aug 09 23:23:45 it's the raw scancodes as show up in /dev/input/event1 Aug 09 23:23:56 DocScrutinizer05, so it seems, in this case I guess it's just a problem with sdl getting the arrow keys, which is not unheard of of course. I did however just find this which seems to make the layout switching at least as quick as possible http://qwerty12.qole.org/kb/ and it seems to work Aug 09 23:24:04 you hardly get closer to the raw hardware Aug 09 23:24:27 so for the time being I think I'll just use this since there's a couple of other games that have such probs Aug 09 23:24:44 thanks for all the help again Aug 09 23:25:10 direct reading from /dev/input/event1 will not give you any problems that other SDL games might have Aug 09 23:25:25 it just gives you the problem of not handling focus at all Aug 09 23:26:02 IOW your game will +always* see the imput from kbd when reading from /dev/input/event1, no matter if in foreground or hidden Aug 09 23:26:22 the config offers two modes of input, "key" and "scan", thought at first it would just be a problem that I used "key" there, but tried it with "scan" too Aug 09 23:27:59 yup now it works great :) Aug 09 23:28:12 (with the applet, just reverted to default config again for csb) Aug 09 23:28:50 now all I need is a magnifying glass heh Aug 09 23:29:45 Lava_Croft: thanks for pointing me to tweetian and that tmo link. I'm able to use Twitter now. Aug 09 23:29:56 see you all Aug 10 00:16:27 ~seen robbiethe1st Aug 10 00:16:29 robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-52-47-134.cral.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 22h 23m 10s ago, saying: 'heh'. Aug 10 01:51:43 hi all Aug 10 01:51:43 I am trying to use car kit with maemo Aug 10 01:51:53 it seems that the car ewcognize pbap but dosn't download my phonebook Aug 10 01:51:57 I have open syslog and there is some error: osso-addressbook[1551]: GLIB WARNING ** mc-client - Unrecognized presence `online' Aug 10 01:51:58 any idea? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 10 02:59:58 2013