**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 17 02:59:58 2013 Aug 17 08:18:02 hi Aug 17 08:21:31 i'm trying to download ovi maps from this link: http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/HERE-Location-based-services/newest-Nokia-Ovi-Maps-0-1-25-114-manual-download/td-p/778870 but it seems i have no grant to access it. Is there any other link to download ovi maps now? Aug 17 08:21:56 i have to flash my n900 and i lost all maps Aug 17 09:43:32 If I remember correctly there *is* some backup of ovi maps for n900 Aug 17 09:43:42 sanova: try to ask on talk.maemo.org Aug 17 09:55:51 sanova: Aug 17 09:55:54 http://static.maploader.maps.svc.ovi.com/map5/maploaderzip-00.01.29.100/212.zip works fine Aug 17 09:56:06 you need to use the right version :) Aug 17 09:56:16 look near the end of the thread you just linked yourself Aug 17 09:56:32 it has a working link to Turkey maps, all you need to do is get the proper number for your country Aug 17 09:56:42 what i just linked is netherlands, iirc Aug 17 13:38:43 Lava_Croft: thanks for your reply.. i solved. I have to directly download maps because of i'm on linux, but i have installed ovi suite on windows VM :) and all is ok Aug 17 13:38:54 hah, that works too Aug 17 13:39:22 next time i will try with that link Aug 17 13:39:27 also amazing how i look at IRC just when you reply Aug 17 13:39:30 what are the odd Aug 17 13:39:30 s Aug 17 13:39:49 ? Aug 17 13:39:58 just when i randomly look at IRC, i see you reply to me Aug 17 13:40:00 hours later Aug 17 13:40:04 funny coincidence:) Aug 17 13:40:20 the direct links to maps always include the version number Aug 17 13:40:26 so any new version will have a different link Aug 17 13:40:29 as will older versions Aug 17 13:40:54 yes Aug 17 13:41:08 hello everybody :) can anybody tell me what packages should i download in order for wireless-tools package to work on n900, I am new to n900 Aug 17 13:42:06 random TMO thread says install aircrack-ng Aug 17 13:42:23 better is probably apt-get install wireless-tools tcpdump kismet Aug 17 13:42:30 Mike11: look here, maybe: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72759 Aug 17 13:43:50 Lava_Croft: thanks for ur help, u mean apt-get will work better than the application manager? Aug 17 13:43:56 no Aug 17 13:44:03 but for installing it can be faster Aug 17 13:44:12 safest route is to always use HAM Aug 17 13:44:17 the app manager Aug 17 13:44:59 Lava_Croft: but the wireless-tools package do not exist in the application manager Aug 17 13:45:17 Lava_Croft: will it download on apt-get??? Aug 17 13:45:26 try it Aug 17 13:45:33 i just do google work for you Aug 17 13:45:37 i never had this problem Aug 17 13:46:52 Lava_Croft: thanks for your help, actually i am trying to get reaver and aircrackng to work on my n900, is it right to install wireless-tools first??? Aug 17 13:47:04 i have no clue Aug 17 13:47:17 just install aircrack-ng itself, it should pull the dependencies? Aug 17 13:47:25 Lava_Croft: or do i need the power kernel first? Aug 17 13:47:32 Mike11: i dont know, try to google about it Aug 17 13:47:38 i bet there's a thread about it on talk.maemo.org Aug 17 13:47:57 Lava_Croft: thanks for ur help :) Aug 17 13:48:01 no problem Aug 17 13:48:13 yes,you need install power kernel Aug 17 13:49:35 psychologe: well do i install that first or wireless-tools first? Aug 17 13:50:01 psychologe: and will wireless-tools install the bleeding edge driver for me??? Aug 17 13:51:03 no,,power kernel support packet inject ,not need install wireless-tool Aug 17 13:53:46 psychologe: but aircrack ng depends on wireless tools?? Aug 17 13:54:01 has someone used Mupen64 on the N900? the web suggests it can run games at full speed, but here it didn't seem too convincing, with the music in Mario 64 being all choppy, and another game slowing down to a crawl during the intro. i'm using the extras-devel package, are there older versions that are better? Aug 17 13:55:03 psychologe: and my problem is that it does not exist in my application manager, i added extras testing and extras devel, any idea what repo it might be on?! Aug 17 13:57:18 LjL-Alps: it wont even run properly Aug 17 13:58:21 sudo apt-get install kernel-power Aug 17 14:00:43 Lava_Croft: it does randomly crash a bit Aug 17 14:01:00 LjL-Alps: you dont play n64 games using an emulator on a 600mhz arm cpu Aug 17 14:01:05 well, you do, but not satisfactory Aug 17 14:01:46 well, 850MHz, but aside from that Aug 17 14:04:48 games that work really well are older dosbox games, in my experience Aug 17 14:04:55 stuff like wasteland and ultima4 Aug 17 14:05:09 and some low-action SNES games Aug 17 14:05:20 stuff like mario world etc is just too demanding for n900 keyboard and my hands Aug 17 14:06:43 play nethack Aug 17 14:06:59 the n900 is possibly the only worthy nethack handheld Aug 17 14:07:06 nethack is boring Aug 17 14:07:07 apart for the 79x25 terminal Aug 17 14:07:15 NetHack rules Aug 17 14:07:17 adom is where its at Aug 17 14:07:18 Lava_Croft: YOUR FACE is boring Aug 17 14:07:21 *nod* Aug 17 14:07:23 adom is a piece of crap Aug 17 14:07:28 Yeah. Aug 17 14:07:28 nethack is overrated like halflife Aug 17 14:07:40 make nerds like a game and they will praise it straight to God Aug 17 14:07:40 and we can't play it on the n900 because it's a proprietary game Aug 17 14:07:55 half life is good, half life 2 is a masterpiece Aug 17 14:08:01 masterpiece? Aug 17 14:08:03 see Aug 17 14:08:07 i wasnt too far off Aug 17 14:08:15 as a sidenote, acehack.de also hosts nethack 3.4.3-nao now Aug 17 14:08:20 halflife2 is halflife1 with HAVOK Aug 17 14:08:21 in addition to acehack 3.6.0 Aug 17 14:08:25 and half the game turned into a HAVOK demo Aug 17 14:08:48 hl series must be the most overrated games of all time, together with final fantasy series Aug 17 14:09:10 anyhow, i guess some other neato dos games work fine too Aug 17 14:09:19 scummvm also works fine on the n900 Aug 17 14:09:52 Lava_Croft: ADoM is the kind of game where the author thought "mmh, a spellbook of wish will be a good idea" Aug 17 14:09:59 i don't even play games, i just like to show off emulators ;( like i do here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdlj2ca9nCg Aug 17 14:10:05 nethack is a game where everybody has ideas Aug 17 14:10:12 and then 15 years later 2 of them are implemented Aug 17 14:10:38 adom has a personality that nethack lacks Aug 17 14:10:47 its sad that its closed source, but also awesome Aug 17 14:10:51 nethack has no secrets Aug 17 14:10:52 Bah Aug 17 14:10:53 Crap Aug 17 14:10:59 you just poke at the source Aug 17 14:11:02 NetHack is _still_ fun fully spoiled Aug 17 14:11:06 adom has actual secrets Aug 17 14:11:15 Apic: i wouldn't extend myself that much Aug 17 14:11:25 kerio: No, but I do Aug 17 14:11:33 nethack is fun even fully spoiled until you figure out how to solve it Aug 17 14:11:49 There's #nethack Aug 17 14:11:55 MUD also works great on n900 Aug 17 14:11:55 And r.g.r.n Aug 17 14:11:58 had good times in icesus Aug 17 14:12:23 oh and the single game i beat on n900 Aug 17 14:12:24 I still have fun playing it Aug 17 14:12:29 Oregon Trail via preenv Aug 17 14:12:30 \o/ Aug 17 14:12:45 oh, there's also that apkenv thing to play android games Aug 17 14:12:46 globulation was fun until i managed to hurt my wrist thanks to it Aug 17 14:12:51 I enjoyed Chrono Trigger on DrNoksNES very much Aug 17 14:12:56 s/ks/kS/ Aug 17 14:12:56 Apic meant: I enjoyed Chrono Trigger on DrNokSNES very much Aug 17 14:12:58 play CT on the n900 is a disgrace Aug 17 14:14:28 those games lose a lot of their magic on emulators Aug 17 14:16:00 especially crappy emulators Aug 17 14:16:09 with awkward controls Aug 17 14:16:47 needs the controller too Aug 17 14:16:52 Mike11, pcsci3nce.info/?p=466 Aug 17 14:17:08 "Only use this compatibility layer for applications that you have the rights to use. If you are unsure, DO NOT use this compatibility layer, and use Nitdroid instead" Aug 17 14:17:08 games like CT just feel broken without the SNES controller Aug 17 14:17:23 or at least a similar controller Aug 17 14:17:27 ... because NITDroid magically gives people the right to use copyrighted software? Aug 17 14:17:34 i rather just power up the snes Aug 17 14:17:38 gives me a reason to undust it Aug 17 14:17:41 with a dpad, four buttons in a diamond, and two shoulder buttons Aug 17 14:17:55 yeah, it has changed a lot since the early 90s Aug 17 14:17:58 game controllers Aug 17 14:18:28 they did totally own the n64 by doubling the sticks! Aug 17 14:18:49 and in the process make me unable to play just about any game on new consoles, since controlling an entire joystick with your thumb is just silly Aug 17 14:19:31 mmmmh Aug 17 14:19:49 no thumb available? Aug 17 14:20:05 install a better kernel :P Aug 17 14:21:24 oh yea Aug 17 14:21:28 got the gamecube back too Aug 17 14:21:45 (i looked in the closet) Aug 17 14:21:55 n64 still gone, meh Aug 17 14:22:24 i have a n64! :D Aug 17 14:22:35 still haven't played it this summer Aug 17 14:22:43 i have mine lend out to a friend Aug 17 14:24:22 4 player n64 playing is just king Aug 17 14:24:33 * kerio only has two controllers :( Aug 17 14:24:35 a few times a year, all those fancy new console owners come to my house to get schooled Aug 17 14:24:44 i tried to test the wlan driver applet simlock and rotation daemon and apparently my device won't boot using the button, it boots just fine if i connect a pc usb cable to it and it also reboots just fine, but i think i broke something, can i fix it without reflashing? Aug 17 14:24:45 we have 7, of which basically have dead sticks Aug 17 14:24:49 1cm space orso Aug 17 14:24:54 i do have two wiimote/nunchucks and two gamecube controllers though Aug 17 14:24:55 i'm sure one of those broke it Aug 17 14:24:56 you need to hang on the stick to turn right in mario kart Aug 17 14:25:07 haha Aug 17 14:25:07 we dont own a wii Aug 17 14:25:12 buy a wii, it's good Aug 17 14:25:17 you get tons of games for free Aug 17 14:25:18 only reason i would get it is for gamecube games Aug 17 14:25:25 and using gamecube controller Aug 17 14:25:27 including gamecube games! Aug 17 14:25:32 ...actually i'm not entirely sure Aug 17 14:25:35 i already own gamecube games:) Aug 17 14:25:40 but not all games Aug 17 14:25:42 wii can do GC controllers and discs Aug 17 14:25:45 i dont need all :D Aug 17 14:25:47 wii can do usb loading Aug 17 14:25:54 dont think we need a WiiU either Aug 17 14:25:55 but only in wii mode i think Aug 17 14:26:08 last console i bought, that gamecube Aug 17 14:26:16 mmh, apparently you *can* play gamecube games from a usb drive Aug 17 14:26:33 i gave up on consoles :) Aug 17 14:26:36 why bother, i have a PC Aug 17 14:26:40 several PC's Aug 17 14:26:44 no more heroes Aug 17 14:26:48 super mario galaxy Aug 17 14:27:02 two games is a reason to buy the entire console? Aug 17 14:27:06 that way i have to buy each console Aug 17 14:27:07 ...actually, kinda Aug 17 14:27:18 since each system has at least 2 games that are really good Aug 17 14:27:34 i'm fairly convinced that it's worth buying a 3ds just for super mario 3d land, for instance Aug 17 14:27:36 but i'm a fanboy Aug 17 14:27:47 i played super mario since '86 orso Aug 17 14:27:49 (fire emblem is apparently also amazing) Aug 17 14:27:54 just like getting tired of 20 years of DOOM Aug 17 14:28:03 you also get tired of so much mario and so little change Aug 17 14:28:17 fire emblem is another game that probably is rather well done Aug 17 14:28:24 but its about as good as a hollywood blockbuster can get Aug 17 14:28:37 since thats the type of game you have to make Aug 17 14:28:47 but super mario 3d land is good! c: Aug 17 14:28:52 i bet it is! Aug 17 14:28:56 there's also starfox 64 3d Aug 17 14:29:05 yeah i bet its a LOT different than the original!!!! Aug 17 14:29:13 which is exactly like starfox 64/lylatwars except with more depth of view and less lag Aug 17 14:29:19 first thing you do on 3ds: turn off 3d Aug 17 14:29:22 remove the slider entirely Aug 17 14:29:27 be happy Aug 17 14:29:28 i enabled the parental controls Aug 17 14:29:36 just to disable the 3d Aug 17 14:29:42 i had gameboy advance and gameboy advance SP Aug 17 14:29:51 nintendo was done sodomizing me after that Aug 17 14:29:53 because i ran Aug 17 14:30:11 they just arent relevany any more, not in any way Aug 17 14:30:20 ...eeh Aug 17 14:30:22 nothing special has some out of nintendo the past 10 years orso Aug 17 14:30:26 come* Aug 17 14:30:29 just rehasing old games Aug 17 14:30:34 mmh Aug 17 14:30:37 pikmin? Aug 17 14:30:39 yeah Aug 17 14:30:40 it can't be that old Aug 17 14:30:42 how old is pikmin? Aug 17 14:30:42 can it? D: Aug 17 14:30:49 jesus christ, 2001 Aug 17 14:30:49 2001 Aug 17 14:30:50 haha Aug 17 14:30:55 i own pikmin Aug 17 14:31:01 and what is the big Wii U game atm? Aug 17 14:31:02 pikmin 3 Aug 17 14:31:06 hooray Aug 17 14:31:07 :D Aug 17 14:31:12 its so sad Aug 17 14:31:14 metroid: other m! Aug 17 14:31:16 you had Metroid Prime on the cube Aug 17 14:31:16 * kerio flees Aug 17 14:31:27 that showed that nintendo, in combination with another studio, can do amazing shit Aug 17 14:31:32 too bad its just so little of it Aug 17 14:31:58 and its always been like that! Aug 17 14:32:00 s/in combination with another studio/by letting another studio do everything instead of shitting on the legacy of an amazing character/ Aug 17 14:32:07 early 90's, id sofware had a nice 2d engine they used for Keen Aug 17 14:32:14 they recreated super mario bros 3 in it and showed to nintendo Aug 17 14:32:17 nintendo wasnt interested Aug 17 14:32:35 this is basically nintendo as always:) Aug 17 14:32:53 i think Sony is actually the one with the brightest future, on the console front Aug 17 14:32:54 seriously, other m's zero suit had high heels Aug 17 14:32:59 yeah i know Aug 17 14:33:07 wanna know a secret Aug 17 14:33:12 i stole money to buy metroid2 on the gameboy Aug 17 14:33:14 mmh, the ps4 feels like the exact same thing as the ps3 Aug 17 14:33:19 but with ads on the menu Aug 17 14:33:20 as a kid Aug 17 14:33:27 it was so awesome, i felt like a goddamn ninja Aug 17 14:33:31 and really, you might as well play on a pc Aug 17 14:33:32 until i got home, of course Aug 17 14:33:41 pc is different tho Aug 17 14:33:43 and more expensive Aug 17 14:33:47 not with a controller Aug 17 14:33:48 and a PC has overhead Aug 17 14:33:50 it had windows Aug 17 14:33:53 it has silly PC crap Aug 17 14:33:58 and... mmh, not really actually Aug 17 14:34:02 yes really Aug 17 14:34:07 ask the dudes on /r/buildapc Aug 17 14:34:13 those are exceptions Aug 17 14:34:51 Valve might do it Aug 17 14:34:57 if they ever get done with it Aug 17 14:35:04 the steambox will probably run some flavour of linux Aug 17 14:35:12 dont care what it runs, its a console Aug 17 14:35:16 but... eeh Aug 17 14:35:17 its meant to run games Aug 17 14:35:23 FPSes on a tv? Aug 17 14:35:26 with a controller? Aug 17 14:35:36 most copies of FPS games are sold to controller people Aug 17 14:35:38 playing it on TV's Aug 17 14:35:45 yeah but they're awful players Aug 17 14:35:46 the Call of Duties and what not Aug 17 14:35:51 compared to PC, sure Aug 17 14:36:11 quake3 on dreamcast had cross platform MP Aug 17 14:36:16 it was fun playing vs the dreamcasters Aug 17 14:36:26 could use just the mouse, no keyboard, and still win Aug 17 14:36:54 i dont mind given the console players autoaim etc:) Aug 17 14:37:49 one thing is for sure Aug 17 14:37:56 the good times for pc users like me are soon over Aug 17 14:38:05 the past years, my dualcore celery was good enough for most games Aug 17 14:38:10 the coming years, it wont :< Aug 17 14:38:16 damn new console generation Aug 17 14:40:15 hmm Aug 17 14:40:21 should try worms in dosbox Aug 17 14:40:28 probably runs like crap on n900 Aug 17 14:40:56 so kerio, you were a nintendoid Aug 17 14:41:03 i *am* a nintendoid Aug 17 14:41:14 so while you were busy playing super mario world Aug 17 14:41:19 *64 Aug 17 14:41:19 thinking it was the epitome of gaming Aug 17 14:41:21 a pinnacle Aug 17 14:41:25 you that young? Aug 17 14:41:27 yup Aug 17 14:41:30 o:< Aug 17 14:41:36 then my comparison fails Aug 17 14:41:45 go ahead with it anyway Aug 17 14:41:46 since i was about to boast about how great the PC was compared to snes games Aug 17 14:41:50 lol Aug 17 14:42:05 i must admit, most PC people were also busy with shit wolf3d and doom Aug 17 14:42:19 what was available? Aug 17 14:42:38 Play what's fun. Aug 17 14:42:38 the biggest name is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_Underworld:_The_Stygian_Abyss Aug 17 14:42:46 even to this day that game has had serious influence Aug 17 14:42:58 but you had wolf3d Aug 17 14:43:02 that ran faster and had nazis Aug 17 14:43:25 PC always was great for 'simulation' Aug 17 14:43:47 its just a sore spot, even now! Aug 17 14:44:01 everybody was praising stuff like wolf3d for being revolutionary Aug 17 14:44:49 before this, you had the ultima series Aug 17 14:44:55 and the mother of Fallout, named Wasteland Aug 17 14:45:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_(video_game) Aug 17 14:45:28 still has some of the best box art ever Aug 17 14:45:40 it didnt age at all Aug 17 14:45:55 that game is as old as my wife Aug 17 14:45:58 making me feel weird Aug 17 14:46:27 GeneralAntilles: of course! :D Aug 17 14:46:36 but there's nothing wrong with edumacation Aug 17 14:47:03 the stuff that games like ultima underworld did in 1992 become rather amazing if you look at how little games do more these days Aug 17 14:47:35 its kind of akin to the N900 Aug 17 14:47:44 Lava_Croft: dwarf fortress does a lot of stuff Aug 17 14:47:47 true Aug 17 14:47:55 a well-modded minecraft too Aug 17 14:48:02 (feed the beast or tekkit) Aug 17 14:48:02 well, mods are different Aug 17 14:48:11 ftb and tekkit are both buggy, broken and run like crap Aug 17 14:48:49 our tekkit server was so bad Aug 17 14:48:52 * kerio thinks back at his old ftb 1.4.7 server, where everything was set in easy mode Aug 17 14:48:56 it would always make the other mc worlds nearly die Aug 17 14:49:19 i had Applied Energistics build ultimate solar panels out of UU-matter Aug 17 14:49:37 i stopped at 8 chunks Aug 17 14:49:42 :) Aug 17 14:49:51 we just run vanilla MC, much more fun Aug 17 14:50:00 i should start the MC server again Aug 17 14:50:09 you can hop on ours and do your thing Aug 17 14:50:15 mmh Aug 17 14:50:46 but thats of course in the cloud Aug 17 14:50:54 don't be silly Aug 17 14:50:58 although you can download backups:) Aug 17 14:51:00 ec2? Aug 17 14:51:04 world backups, so you can load it locally Aug 17 14:51:05 it's always ec2 Aug 17 14:51:30 havent played a lot of MC lately Aug 17 14:51:33 im still waiting for a proper survival mode Aug 17 14:51:41 it was promised to us quite some years ago :) Aug 17 14:51:58 * kerio bought it during alpha Aug 17 14:52:08 i think i was gifted it when it was 5euros orso Aug 17 14:52:18 does anyone have their N900 in R&D mode? Aug 17 14:52:38 Oreos does, iirc, but he doesnt seem to be here Aug 17 14:52:44 psycho_oreos Aug 17 14:53:02 is it normal for the keyboard to be lit while it's charging, powered off? Aug 17 14:53:18 yeah, i think so Aug 17 14:53:29 it lights the keyboards to show its doing stuff Aug 17 14:53:45 yeah, "system activity" Aug 17 14:53:45 like, certain parts of the device that are in use will correspond with certain keyboard keys being lit up, if im correct Aug 17 14:53:47 if the n900 seems to coldboot only when plugged in, but reboots just fine, is there a way to fix it, save of reflashing? i wanted to test a few apps and i think one of them broke it a little :) Aug 17 14:54:02 I just didn't know charging the battery ws system activity Aug 17 14:54:24 bennypr0fane: technically it is and it might also do other stuff in the background? Aug 17 14:55:17 I just reflashed fiasco image, and I thought it was dead for a while, but it finally booted when I plugged in the charger Aug 17 14:55:55 i quit trying to understand what exactly the n900 does when in regard to charging and booting Aug 17 14:55:59 by "booted" I mean the boot that it does when powered off, but the charger is plugged in Aug 17 14:56:08 haha, exactly Aug 17 14:56:37 I find it weird that charging is governed by the kernel Aug 17 14:56:53 its pretty shitty, yes Aug 17 14:57:30 I picture that as an electrical activity not needing digital control Aug 17 14:57:50 well it does something to boot (pardon the pun) when it charges, because i just broke my bootloader i think, and it coldboots only when plugged in, but orherwise reboots normally while of the charger :/ Aug 17 14:58:16 LauRoman, what is "coldboot"? Aug 17 14:58:21 LauRoman: poke kerio, i know he is here and he probably knows something to try Aug 17 14:58:29 * kerio is not here Aug 17 14:58:41 bennypr0fane, coldboot is normal boot from power button Aug 17 14:58:57 not reboot button, not reboot started by an app Aug 17 14:59:01 Lava_Croft, kerio's prolly fed up with my queostining :-) Aug 17 14:59:02 i don't get it, what's happening and what do you want to happen? Aug 17 14:59:04 not boot started by charger Aug 17 14:59:22 LauRoman, there's a reboot button? Aug 17 14:59:48 bennypr0fane, there's a soft (screen) reboot button that is hidden Aug 17 14:59:57 oh Aug 17 15:00:04 that button never works Aug 17 15:00:11 `dsmetool -b` does Aug 17 15:00:13 iirc Aug 17 15:00:15 :) Aug 17 15:00:21 and anyway, try Aug 17 15:00:24 ~n900-full-reset Aug 17 15:00:25 it has been said that n900-full-reset is when the user presses the PWRON (power-on) button for 8 seconds and removes the battery in the next 8 seconds, the TPS65950 enters NO SUPPLY state instead of BACKUP state, even if a valid backup battery is present. In such a situation, the backup domain registers are also reset, along with the VRRTC domain registers. Aug 17 15:00:28 reboot soft button works fine here Aug 17 15:00:29 i just tested Aug 17 15:00:32 or just remove the battery for a while Aug 17 15:00:43 now i have to reboot it Aug 17 15:02:15 kerio, i think one of two apps messed with the boot process somehow and i can reboot the device if it is powered on already, and i can boot the device if it is plugged in, i just can't boot it while it is not plugged in, so i guess it is not a battery problem Aug 17 15:02:21 because i do have a spare Aug 17 15:03:14 it was either the applet to turn ssh on and off or the one to change wlan drivers, both of which i wanted to test Aug 17 15:03:26 does the led turn on when you tap the button as the n900 is turned off? Aug 17 15:03:34 yes Aug 17 15:03:35 also, can you boot with the button after removing the battery? Aug 17 15:03:50 let's try that last one Aug 17 15:04:07 hardfalcon1, I read that some other place what infobot said: "The N900 whose name is written in this note shall die. Aug 17 15:04:07 This note will not take effect unless the writer has the N900�s desktop in their mind when writing his/her name. Therefore, N900s sharing the same name will not be affected. Aug 17 15:04:08 If the cause of death is written within the next 40 seconds of writing the N900�s name, it will happen. Aug 17 15:04:08 If the cause of death is not specified, the N900 will simply die of a heart attack. Aug 17 15:04:08 After writing the cause of death, details of the death should be written in the next 6 minutes and 40 seconds." Aug 17 15:04:32 not hardfalcon1. damn tab key Aug 17 15:04:38 lol Aug 17 15:04:54 kerio, seems to boot fine after battery is removed Aug 17 15:05:07 mmh Aug 17 15:05:20 signs point to usb confusion of some sorts Aug 17 15:05:25 my n900 won't die of a heart attack for it doesn't have a heart. it's mercyless. Aug 17 15:05:38 yeah, mine too Aug 17 15:06:03 is why when I want to kill it, I specify the cause of death :-D Aug 17 15:10:29 so I just reflashed it, and then tried to restore my last backup from sdcard. the backup stopped halfway through though, saying it ran out of memory Aug 17 15:11:17 I don't understand that because everything fit in fine before, it's not like the memory shrunk in the meantime Aug 17 15:11:27 BUT I did have CSSU thumb Aug 17 15:12:13 does that mean all the apps I had installed were thumb compiled as well? Aug 17 15:14:09 kerio, then it probably was the wlan drivers i wanted to test Aug 17 15:15:19 bennypr0fane, not really, unless they were from cssu-th repo Aug 17 15:17:54