**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 19 02:59:59 2013 Aug 19 04:53:12 hi Aug 19 04:53:33 ok, my file system was corrupt *again* Aug 19 04:53:59 by now I'm pretty sure that it's not due to user error Aug 19 04:54:15 is it possible that my flash is starting to fail? Aug 19 04:54:54 because this is the 3rd time in a month I get this issue Aug 19 05:15:47 certainly a possibility Aug 19 05:16:36 is this the emmc file system or the rootfs? Aug 19 07:42:32 hi Aug 19 08:34:42 hi Aug 19 08:35:02 hi Aug 19 08:57:34 FIQ: zero it out Aug 19 08:57:38 and then restore a backup Aug 19 08:57:40 or something Aug 19 11:09:07 hm Aug 19 11:09:22 anybody else running into problems with microb stalling? Aug 19 11:19:55 Macer: who doesn't? Aug 19 11:23:38 hm Aug 19 11:31:00 heh Aug 19 11:31:08 opera seems to suck Aug 19 11:33:25 like no youtube support heh Aug 19 11:33:47 even tho it is a better browser on resources Aug 19 11:35:32 Macer, which device? Aug 19 11:36:52 n900 Aug 19 11:37:00 ah okay Aug 19 11:37:22 I use a N810 with diablo turbo kernel Aug 19 11:37:48 microb runs pretty nicely on that, but the N900 is laggier with microb Aug 19 11:38:00 i guess i can use cutetube Aug 19 11:38:08 but the opera link doesnt work either Aug 19 11:38:14 lots of people swear by fennec Aug 19 11:38:25 but it really is all personal preferance Aug 19 11:38:42 i think its pretty much give n take with any of the browsers Aug 19 11:41:51 all fennec could do is lag on my n900 Aug 19 11:43:10 yah Aug 19 11:43:25 i would believe it Aug 19 11:43:38 i never saw the appeal on the n810 either Aug 19 11:44:05 heh... ff in general has sucked since the bloatwars Aug 19 11:44:14 true Aug 19 11:55:27 I disagree Aug 19 11:55:31 fx is pretty grand Aug 19 12:09:41 ls Aug 19 12:09:44 oops Aug 19 12:11:25 Fail Aug 19 12:19:48 anyone tried this battery www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-1600mah-extended-battery-for-nokia-lumia-520-5800-xpressmusic-n900-x6-c3.html ? Aug 19 12:20:19 ooh, it's a standard-sized one Aug 19 12:20:23 and it costs 44.50$ Aug 19 12:20:29 i paid 10$ for a 1600mAh Aug 19 12:20:40 kerio: which one? Aug 19 12:20:54 a weird chinese one on aliexpress Aug 19 12:20:57 ooh, the one that is not shiiped to Bulgaria Aug 19 12:21:04 :) Aug 19 12:21:35 you people are brave Aug 19 12:21:47 *ten dollars* Aug 19 12:22:00 ten bux Aug 19 12:22:12 is that how much the batteries go today? Aug 19 12:22:29 kerio: I need to buy 5 batteries, can you recommend me what batteries to buy? Aug 19 12:22:46 even fakes ones come with Nokia holographic stickers Aug 19 12:23:32 I guess mugen is not fake, but I found it to be too expensive Aug 19 12:23:45 will buy only if no other options Aug 19 12:24:47 i think that the polarcell bl-5j is your best option Aug 19 12:28:46 kerio: you think that mugen is fake? Aug 19 12:28:54 no, no, that's a true mugen Aug 19 12:28:57 and it costs a fuckton Aug 19 12:29:34 freemangordon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/PolarCell-XpressMusic-replaced-cellePhone-ScreenCleaner/dp/B004IHNVXY/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/276-1556260-9969026 Aug 19 12:32:33 hmm, this is 1400 mAh Aug 19 12:32:56 polarcell is really the only viable option for batteries Aug 19 12:33:11 1500 Aug 19 12:33:12 besides original bl5j's Aug 19 12:33:44 kerio: hmm, no, zoom the photo Aug 19 12:33:55 freemangordon: the polarcell batteries are 1500+ mah Aug 19 12:34:20 the one kerio posted has 1400mAh written on it Aug 19 12:34:34 iirc polarcell only has one kind of bl5j clone and that one is 1500+ mah Aug 19 12:34:37 mine is 1550ish Aug 19 12:34:50 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PolarCell-Batterie-Nokia-X6-00-5230-5800-N900-C3-00-BL-5J-XpressMusic-XM-Battery-/390402445382?pt=DE_Handy_PDA_Akkus&hash=item5ae5cc9046 Aug 19 12:34:59 yeah, got mine via ebay too Aug 19 12:35:06 this is the one from TMO thread and is 1500 Aug 19 12:35:21 iiuc Aug 19 12:35:25 from wannsee electronic, yes Aug 19 12:35:47 the one you just linked is recommended Aug 19 12:35:55 fast service, friendly company Aug 19 12:44:24 which "divide apps into categories" package do you recommend? apparently, there's a bunch Aug 19 12:56:06 apmefo Aug 19 13:05:34 freemangordon: either get original used BL-5J in your shoppe next door, or get whatever tested one in internet and don't worry too much about a 10% capacity difference Aug 19 13:05:58 rather check for good shop and good deal Aug 19 13:06:46 rather get 6 1350mAh bats than 4 1600mAh bats for same or even higher price Aug 19 13:07:46 ~listkeys battery Aug 19 13:07:48 Factoid search of 'battery' by key (12 of 16): heh, no bottom view. can't tell if the battery #DEL# ;; batterypatch ;; battery-usage ;; zaurus battery ;; as battery acid #DEL# ;; battery ;; battery pack ;; batterytest ;; true, but the lack of extra battery #DEL# ;; battery damage ;; wmbattery ;; flips ibot's battery disconnect switch. Aug 19 13:08:38 ~batterytest Aug 19 13:08:39 batterytest is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 Aug 19 13:23:15 freemangordon: or in short: a battery for 40$ is not 8* as good as a 5 bucks one Aug 19 13:25:26 SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: did you ever run some impedance tests against new vs old battery of same cell build? Aug 19 13:25:57 yes - dramatically different Aug 19 13:27:46 I guess a simple script that shuts down GSM and other hogs, then probes voltage in idle (20mA), then runs vibra and backlight 100% for 15s and during that probes volatge again, should make for a nice quick diagnostics tool Aug 19 13:32:06 yeah Aug 19 13:32:26 It's not at all subtle Aug 19 14:23:54 ha, nice Aug 19 14:23:59 but the summary for the battery test thread needs a summary Aug 19 15:45:48 my n900 is stuck in the bootloop? where can i find the wikipage and flasher these days? Aug 19 15:46:15 s/?/. Aug 19 15:49:15 ~flashing Aug 19 15:49:15 it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 19 15:58:07 ~rescueos Aug 19 15:58:08 somebody said rescue-os was http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/, or http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/, or http://acehack.de/rescueOS/ Aug 19 15:58:23 infobot: no, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Aug 19 15:58:24 okay, kerio Aug 19 15:58:31 infobot: rescue-os is also http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Aug 19 15:58:31 okay, kerio Aug 19 15:58:36 ~rescueos Aug 19 15:58:37 well, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/, or http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Aug 19 16:01:31 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php # why are there ubuntu release names there? Aug 19 16:02:24 For the virtual images Aug 19 16:02:30 for sdk Aug 19 16:04:51 a Aug 19 16:05:25 so its not "ubuntu for n900"? what distros can you reliably on the n900? Aug 19 16:06:55 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how maemo(!)-dev-env-downloads might be realted to anything "ubuntu for N900" no matter if such thing exists or not Aug 19 16:07:55 only thing i know of is the chroot debian with LXDE or KDE. Aug 19 16:08:06 but i am also only familiar with N810. Aug 19 16:08:16 IDK whats available on N900. Aug 19 16:08:37 genuine? maemo Aug 19 16:09:06 then you have SHR and this errrr nitdroid, and maybe even meego Aug 19 16:09:26 yeah genuinely only maemo. anythign else is chrooted or in a virtual environment. Aug 19 16:09:33 bleh nitdroid...... Aug 19 16:09:42 that thing crashed my N810 hard. Aug 19 16:09:48 had to reflash. Aug 19 16:09:54 ;-P Aug 19 16:09:59 :-x Aug 19 16:10:56 it was all good i keep frequant backups, but just the pain of having to restore sucked. Aug 19 16:11:25 especially with a near full 8GB SD Aug 19 16:11:37 I'd recommend to get a cheap android device to anybody pondering to install nitdroid on N900 Aug 19 16:11:46 indeed Aug 19 16:11:58 android is best left to native android devices. Aug 19 16:14:32 and N900 been built for maemo, and maemo fremantle been made for N900 Aug 19 16:15:04 I can't see whatever reason to switch to another OS Aug 19 16:15:04 and the pc is made for windows Aug 19 16:15:12 (sorry) Aug 19 16:15:20 wrong Aug 19 16:15:33 Linux reality-bytes 3.8.0-27-generic Aug 19 16:15:35 noty Aug 19 16:16:28 when ISA PCs are made for anything, then that's DOS Aug 19 16:18:36 wot, windows? :shudder: Aug 19 17:05:50 DocScrutinizer05; kinda Aug 19 17:06:39 DocScrutinizer05; I never opened up BL-5Js to check the exact cell used Aug 19 17:07:28 but with periodic impedance test during full-to-empty discharge, I can tell which BL-5J was cycled until I deemed it trash, and which BL-5J sat unused until it became trash. Aug 19 17:09:19 Both were at around 1100mAh "nominal", but the many-cycles one had higher Z when full. The other (stored empty) had lower Z when full, but dramatically higher towards empty Aug 19 17:11:27 oh hey: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ohm.png Aug 19 17:12:39 top graphs red yellow blue are: #2 stored to death, #1 after 160 cycles, #1 after 230 cycles Aug 19 17:13:23 and down in the messy low-Z portion is a purple brand new BL-5J (1430 mAh) Aug 19 17:19:32 nice Aug 19 17:38:40 DocScrutinizer05, sixwheeledbeast, I have tested both display from 1st n900 on 2nd n900 and display from 2nd n900 on 1st n900. 2nd n900 doesn't display, both displays are fully working. Aug 19 17:40:14 WizardNumberNext: so it's not the display module or the ribbon at fault then. Aug 19 17:48:33 sixwheeledbeast, definitely display from 1st works and its blank on 2nd n900. I am not entirely sure about 2nd display, but afair I have tested it on 1st n900 Aug 19 17:49:28 If I wouldn't be fighting to get my money back I would canibalize 2nd n900 for 3.5mm jack and display, as digitizer is a lot better conditio n Aug 19 17:50:09 eh? If the "2nd" display works on the "1st" device it's something on the mobo. TV-out work? Aug 19 17:53:33 ShadowJK: so what's that? Aug 19 19:43:02 korhojoa; what do you mean? Aug 19 19:43:26 that battery graph thing you posted Aug 19 19:43:37 is that like series resistance or whut? Aug 19 19:49:37 uea. Aug 19 19:49:47 series resistance vs voltage Aug 19 19:49:55 for different cells Aug 19 19:53:04 cool. Aug 19 19:53:44 how did you do that? Aug 19 20:53:06 does anyone here has some experience with the Dreamcast? :p Aug 19 20:57:44 for the first time I had problem with full flash. I have been flashing my 1st n900 and it didn't go as it is supposed to go. eMMC were flashed, but no rootfs. I am restoring from backup. Aug 19 20:59:03 how should I flash it? root, emmc, root? Aug 19 21:00:57 i had no problems with this tutorial: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware Aug 19 21:02:28 me neither. I have messed up mine 1st n900 2 or 3 times Aug 19 21:02:45 and flashed it right awayatleasttwice Aug 19 21:03:27 deamned space is wearing out Aug 19 21:20:58 I am getting error at root flashing: "Flashing cmt-mcusw... Sending request 0x50 failed!" Aug 19 21:21:09 nothing written yet Aug 19 21:25:14 WizardNumberNext: I have recently had trouble with flashing one section of device, it doesn't sound like the same but worth a read >> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90799 Aug 19 21:30:41 WizardNumberNext: i reckon that your cmt is fucked Aug 19 21:37:05 what is cmt? Aug 19 21:37:22 kerio, is it flash? Aug 19 21:37:39 no, it's the phone Aug 19 21:37:46 like, the phone chip Aug 19 21:37:47 you mean modem? Aug 19 21:38:06 well, i suppose that it does indeed do modulation and demodulation Aug 19 21:39:08 well, we both know what we mean. Whatever, yes it is fucked. No way to bring it back, no foam is working any more and I never had such sytupid idea to put any metal in there Aug 19 21:39:57 to flash it properly, you have to skip flashing cmt Aug 19 21:40:02 with the --flash-only option Aug 19 21:40:08 just flash everything else Aug 19 21:40:12 I think reballing is only way to make it working, but finding specialist who can do it in London is like trying to find one needle in milions hay stacks Aug 19 21:40:31 if it would work I would try it tomorrow Aug 19 21:40:57 I cannot risk it today - going to sleep to soon and tomorrow - obviously work Aug 19 21:42:04 but I would definitely use your advice - it sound like it is completely sound Aug 19 21:43:04 kerio, can I risk flashing root only? Aug 19 21:43:33 yes Aug 19 21:43:33 meh Aug 19 21:43:34 sure Aug 19 21:43:37 but why? Aug 19 21:43:58 obviously I have bit of modifications, but MyDocs is annoying part of whole development Aug 19 21:44:10 I have ext4 there Aug 19 21:44:25 irrelevant Aug 19 21:44:26 not to mention dat which would be going there and back Aug 19 21:44:31 then i strongly doubt that flashing root will work Aug 19 21:45:02 I never have changed any script for MyDocs, only for sd Aug 19 21:45:12 --root-only will work just fine, not entangled with MyDocs at all Aug 19 21:45:37 oh, MyDocs is actually ext4? Aug 19 21:45:45 except of cource your modifications to mount MyDocs Aug 19 21:45:49 DocScrutinizer05, it is only annoying to have to format bastard again and put data back, otherwise, no objections Aug 19 21:45:51 then i think that you'll only get some error messages related to it Aug 19 21:46:01 but it'll work Aug 19 21:46:29 ~flashing Aug 19 21:46:30 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 19 21:46:40 oh modifications aren't any problem - I have backups and can simply dump appropariate files Aug 19 21:46:41 oh modifications aren't any problem - I have backups and can simply dump appropariate files Aug 19 21:46:48 has a nice introduction to what gets flashed when Aug 19 21:47:23 MyDocs is eMMC aka Vanilla Aug 19 21:47:34 doc, so I can flash emmc without touch mydocs? Aug 19 21:47:40 no Aug 19 21:47:45 shame Aug 19 21:47:47 MyDocs IS eMMC Aug 19 21:48:05 ok, I would go throught some pain and I would be reborn Aug 19 21:48:26 wait is home/opt included in vanilia, then? Aug 19 21:48:31 yes Aug 19 21:48:38 alas it is Aug 19 21:48:41 screw emmc then Aug 19 21:49:00 /opt is cleaned and repopulated on first boot thou Aug 19 21:49:01 gh Aug 19 21:49:07 yep Aug 19 21:49:17 I actually don't care anymore, as I would get it back to what it was before flash, but clean and fully working Aug 19 21:49:29 because nokia sucks at unix Aug 19 21:49:29 but /home fs gets created during vanilla flash Aug 19 21:50:01 indeed Aug 19 21:50:02 lovely, it is so nice to get knowledge. And it is even nicer if somebody is shareing Aug 19 21:50:17 the vanilla concept been done prematurely Aug 19 21:50:17 home is untoughed by me, apart some files Aug 19 21:51:22 vanilla aka eMMS flash is really poorly designed and based on hw, not on logical volumes Aug 19 21:51:46 actually all development with gnu/linux - mostly done poorly and with completely wrong approach, but it is still linux, if somebody is willing to fix issues it might as nice it can get Aug 19 21:52:31 actually you should have /home included to rootfs flashing, and vanilla should flash MyDocs only - alas they messed it up from beginning and there was no clear opporunity to fix that ever Aug 19 21:52:51 yeah it doesn't make sense to do it by hw, it should be done by volumes. Actually I can understand reasons behind it, but I do not like them Aug 19 21:53:07 :nod: Aug 19 21:54:17 one of those is - it was desinged not by unix/linux people, 2nd is rather obvious Aug 19 21:54:18 one of those is - it was desinged not by unix/linux people, 2nd is rather obvious Aug 19 21:54:41 sorry - I write from laptop - to close cursors to enter Aug 19 21:55:04 another great device with some poor desing Aug 19 21:55:08 toshiba Aug 19 21:55:52 Or you just cant type, jesus christ Aug 19 21:55:53 taking screen of to get to fan is ridicolous Aug 19 21:55:58 Good night Aug 19 21:59:03 so much for negative moods spread inb this channel Aug 19 21:59:46 I love lessons from those who know zilch better than me Aug 19 22:03:46 There is zero reason to even adjust my behaviour after your raging lately Aug 19 22:04:13 I also wonder how I can see what you say, lol Aug 19 22:04:17 fail me! Aug 19 22:04:27 oh, that just reality of toshiba - there's always something unexpected in the way. Aug 19 22:04:42 That's the reality of everything :| Aug 19 22:04:44 Lava_Croft, should read backolg or something? Aug 19 22:05:06 WizardNumberNext: Nope! Aug 19 22:05:09 don't be so pesimistic - it is my domain Aug 19 22:05:20 is it so bad? Aug 19 22:05:39 Good luck with the horribly designed N900 and horribly designed Toshiba! Aug 19 22:08:48 n900 is desinged better then mine toshiba Aug 19 22:09:21 anyway, I have an idea to buy n9 to put its processor into n900 - did anybody tried it yet? Aug 19 22:09:53 more ram seams as good idea as well, but I need to know how to use it - it is arm in the end Aug 19 22:21:55 * DocScrutinizer05 waves and grins Aug 19 22:22:53 WizardNumberNext: better ignore that guy, he's a troll in practicing Aug 19 22:23:41 actually I often wonder whether he learned from or even _is_ e*_ Aug 19 22:24:53 but no, e*_ usually had a _topic_ to troll about Aug 19 22:27:03 for your delight I'll just concatenate all his valuable contributions of last few hours: >>Or you just cant type, jesus christ. Good night. There is zero reason to even adjust my behaviour after your raging lately. I also wonder how I can see what you say, lol. fail me! That's the reality of everything :| WizardNumberNext: Nope! Good luck with the horribly designed N900 and horribly designed Toshiba! <-- Lava_Croft has left this channel. Aug 19 22:28:49 oops, probably that rather should've been: "" <-- Lava_Croft has left this channel. Aug 19 22:32:05 WizardNumberNext: I'm not sure the N9 SoC is pin compatible to the OMAP3430 in N900 Aug 19 22:36:02 that's why I am asking. It might be case that it is not pin compatible Aug 19 22:36:15 it is 3630 Aug 19 22:36:46 by defition it should, but practise may show otherwise Aug 19 22:38:46 I have to experience/reports from practice Aug 19 22:39:23 anyway I think reflow will be hard to accomplish Aug 19 22:39:28 there's easy way to find out - ti know the answer - I should ask their datasheets Aug 19 22:39:49 I am not going for ordinary reflow - only reball Aug 19 22:40:09 alas odds are they won't state "pin compatible and signal compatible to 3430" Aug 19 22:40:12 but it would be still hard to acomplish Aug 19 22:41:07 odds are on both sides, only real check would verify either side of the table Aug 19 22:41:08 you maybe *could* try to find a socket Aug 19 22:41:23 WizardNumberNext: FYI, the only chip marketed as pin-compatible to the 3430 is the 3530 Aug 19 22:41:23 coin was tossed, now it is time to catch it Aug 19 22:41:41 I'm pretty sure 3630 has different ball pitch Aug 19 22:41:59 had to choose a sample chip when I saw them up on TI's website Aug 19 22:42:03 Hurrian, I won't oversurprised Aug 19 22:42:38 ah, yeah, and the only 3530 chip available that's faster than the one on the N900 is a 720MHz part Aug 19 22:42:46 I dunno if there are sockets that are small overhead Aug 19 22:42:53 do you have any knowledge about technological process? nm? Aug 19 22:43:11 DL3730? Aug 19 22:43:14 I doubt it, but do not exclude Aug 19 22:43:27 or what been the name? Aug 19 22:43:48 GTA04.org - check it out Aug 19 22:44:05 afaik 3730 isn't hw compatible - it is extended compared to 3430 Aug 19 22:45:43 http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/FeatureList/ >>Processor: DM3730 (OMAP3), 800 MHz, ARMv7 (Cortex A8), NEON, integrated DSP (TMS320C64x)<< Aug 19 22:46:08 WizardNumberNext: 3430 is only drop-in compatible with 3530, which some people say is just a rebrand, and 36xx is incompatible with DM3730 platform Aug 19 22:46:19 I never checked but they told me it's compatible Aug 19 22:46:58 ooh wait, it's a 36xx relacement, right Aug 19 22:47:06 nm, I need a break Aug 19 22:47:23 although a benefit of replacing the N900's 3430 part with a sample 3530 part is that Nokia X-Lo doesn't need to be signed anymore Aug 19 22:47:57 except when you take it from a N9 ;-D Aug 19 22:47:59 you'll still have to buy another OneNAND part though, you'll likely ruin one if you pull it off at reflow temps Aug 19 22:48:12 sounds interesting, not yet for my pocket, but it might change Aug 19 22:48:27 DocScrutinizer09: Nokia still gets parts custom made from TI? Aug 19 22:48:43 whelp, typo DocScrutinizer05: Aug 19 22:49:00 nah, it's EFUSE iirc, ask freemangordon Aug 19 22:49:21 custom flashed Aug 19 22:49:28 fused Aug 19 22:49:30 whatever Aug 19 22:50:11 OMAP has a small PROM Aug 19 22:50:20 fuses Aug 19 22:50:36 like many modern cpus and alike Aug 19 22:50:39 a bunch of fuses are also a PROM ;-) Aug 19 22:50:46 Oh - both. Aug 19 22:50:51 oh - nvm Aug 19 22:50:54 we can put it that way Aug 19 22:50:55 I'm mostly asleep Aug 19 22:51:30 me as well Aug 19 22:51:42 and actually... o/ Aug 19 22:52:06 that's interesting. I wonder if it is user programable in brand new non-custom chips Aug 19 22:52:16 yes Aug 19 22:52:20 afaik Aug 19 22:52:21 lovely Aug 19 22:52:48 but I have no good idea how to use it yet Aug 19 22:53:12 OMAPedia ;) Aug 19 22:53:12 * WizardNumberNext need to go to sleep or will be killed tomorrow in work Aug 19 22:54:15 anyway omap is quite potent beast, especially omap5 Aug 19 22:55:05 tbh I have no issues with CPU speed even of 500MHz 3430 Aug 19 22:55:18 it's other bottlenecks that suck Aug 19 22:56:00 GPU, RAM, storage IF Aug 19 22:56:15 doc is right. speed is quite fine. ram is too small and there is almost complete lack of fast buses Aug 19 22:57:17 yeah use swap and play flac or mp3 from emmc and browse net at the same time - I would die old first ;) Aug 19 22:58:00 swap is a killer Aug 19 22:58:08 since storage is soooooo bad Aug 19 22:58:28 I suspect mine gpu in 1st one to be slowly dying. From time to time, very rarely actually I am getting artifacts Aug 19 22:58:42 OC? Aug 19 22:58:55 sometimes mine sd is faster then mmc Aug 19 22:59:34 not anymore - at least m onth without going over 600 and staying at 500 most of the time - conservative 81/95 down/up Aug 19 22:59:59 OC damage is like sunburn Aug 19 23:00:47 I never before got 13 hours of constant mp3 play, not even with stock settings Aug 19 23:00:54 now it is normal Aug 19 23:01:14 even if you never suffer from hard symptoms, your skin remembers all the hard UV light it ever had to take Aug 19 23:01:18 before max was 5 hours Aug 19 23:01:42 you are absolutely right Aug 19 23:02:15 and actually cpus are getting used to be overclocked and getting them back to stock is sometimes killing for owner Aug 19 23:02:40 never heard that Aug 19 23:02:42 it is endless cirle - you start you cannot finish Aug 19 23:03:01 I have it both with n900 and amd phenom II 1090t Aug 19 23:03:08 but might be plausible to some extent Aug 19 23:03:34 amd is even worse - it is unbearable on stock and before it was very nice and fast Aug 19 23:03:45 install cssu-thumb Aug 19 23:03:56 a faster cpu clock can only do much when you're in swap hell Aug 19 23:04:01 it might be thing about risen voltage Aug 19 23:04:22 kerio, I still need kp-52 Aug 19 23:04:38 n8 Aug 19 23:04:52 I still cannot find it - I have seen post once and now cannot find this little hidden beast Aug 19 23:05:12 it's at the very least in merlin1991's extras-devel-light Aug 19 23:05:18 http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ Aug 19 23:05:35 then tomorrow is a chance for it Aug 19 23:05:56 maybe I would put freshing up things fr day after to morrow Aug 19 23:06:28 WizardNumberNext: change distribution from fremantle-1.3 to fremantle Aug 19 23:06:43 in HAM, extras-devel catalog that is Aug 19 23:07:08 when I would 3rd n900, then 1st is going to be testbed for other kernels Aug 19 23:07:15 including 3.8 Aug 19 23:07:20 or later Aug 19 23:07:42 WizardNumberNext: also, you don;t need kp52 for xssu-thumb, who told you that? Aug 19 23:07:52 *cssu-thumb Aug 19 23:08:11 maybe I would get gcc-4.8 for arm on mine amd64 and I would compile not kernel only Aug 19 23:08:35 so kp51 is fine? Aug 19 23:08:50 ~cssu-thumb Aug 19 23:08:51 extra, extra, read all about it, cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 Aug 19 23:09:00 read the first post in the thread Aug 19 23:09:35 I would, but it would take me seweral hours - in mean time would be sleep and work Aug 19 23:09:49 O.o Aug 19 23:10:03 several hours to read 15 sentences? Aug 19 23:10:11 up to you Aug 19 23:21:01 I am sure I have read it before. I have been confussed for so long time. Aug 19 23:21:22 ok as it is tuesday I have to say good n8 Aug 19 23:31:30 Regarding bluetooth on the N900, has anybody experienced being unable to re-pair a device with it, after it was paired with another device, then back to the N900? Aug 19 23:33:10 KP52 finally in repo Aug 19 23:33:42 or rather - in the package interface Aug 19 23:33:49 simonknowsmaemo? shouldn't that have been nuked already? Aug 19 23:34:51 busybox-power(enhanced history)??? wth? Aug 19 23:35:06 alternate shell history even Aug 19 23:35:22 DocScrutinizer05: will look at simon soon Aug 19 23:35:48 but this is the same problem as wi that friggin x11whatever-data package Aug 19 23:36:10 it get removed from the package iface, but stays in the repo Aug 19 23:36:23 howeber, i'm out Aug 19 23:36:25 night Aug 19 23:51:10 mmh, my wifi randomly stopped working Aug 19 23:51:25 meh, now it works Aug 19 23:51:32 fucking wifi congestion Aug 19 23:52:37 omg omg omg someone updated python 2.7 Aug 19 23:52:47 omg omg omg robbiethe1st is here Aug 19 23:53:21 What? Aug 19 23:54:37 oh for fuck's sake, it's still 2.7.3rc2 Aug 19 23:54:56 we're at 2.7.5 nowadays Aug 19 23:54:59 robbiethe1st: hi! Aug 19 23:55:06 i still haven't tried the latest backupmenu Aug 19 23:55:09 what's new in it? Aug 20 00:02:14 kerio: (omg someone updated python 2.7) fmg fixed a silly botchpatch in import-packages.php that blocked packages that use epoch (something that always been deprecated anyway) Aug 20 00:02:33 s/deprecated/strongly needed in case of version bugs/ Aug 20 00:03:02 we have no version bugs Aug 20 00:03:40 if you manage to explain to me what use this friggin epoch has for maemo, you win a plastic button Aug 20 00:04:41 moron uploads package with a really high version to extras-devel, and the same moron only notices it after it's gone into testing Aug 20 00:05:11 so what? Aug 20 00:05:13 besides, it's no use figuring out "what use is this for maemo" Aug 20 00:05:22 epoch never been able to cure that Aug 20 00:05:31 on maemo.org Aug 20 00:05:32