**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 25 02:59:58 2013 Aug 25 03:14:03 is there any way to use vkb with easy debian in n900 Aug 25 03:22:54 and change to musca window manager in easy debian??! Aug 25 03:28:33 you won't see an answer to your questions when you leave the channel 20min after asking Aug 25 03:30:43 you also chosen a time of day (UTC) that's not ideal to get any answer at all, since most of the channel's users are meanwile actually sleeping (Europe TZ) Aug 25 03:35:50 okay thanks for the info! should i ask about it in forum? Aug 25 03:55:08 I think this might be too lightweight for tmo Aug 25 03:56:33 resp prolly already answered in some thread which just wait to be found by you Aug 25 03:58:39 for vkb however I might already guess it's very complicated or impossible to use that in a chroot like easydeb Aug 25 03:58:48 okay thank you Doc. :) Aug 25 03:59:14 harmanttan n n810 has vkb in easy deb! Aug 25 04:01:48 Doc never sleeps Aug 25 04:07:13 well,needed DocS sometime back,when i had n continue to have problem with my powertop c0 bein 98.4 even after a newly flashed device!! freemangordon suggested to wait for him after running out of options! Aug 25 04:24:02 sorry, you have to wait a little bit longer, since even when I never sleep, I have times busy with other things Aug 25 04:29:18 sure :) Aug 25 04:34:07 Is camera-ui2 exclusive to CSSU-Testing? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 25 13:25:58 2013 Aug 25 16:53:42 I'm currently actively pushing gta04-n900 project as already suggested by me on community-ML and tmo, in direct chats with Nikolaus (GolDeliCo). Nikolaus needs a (original) N900 to disassemble it and take dimensions of the whole thing with caliper. I consider to send a device to him, sponsored from HiFo-funds Aug 25 16:57:29 @council: what do you think about sponsoring a device for Nikolaus? OR would you prefer finding a broken device for him, or even a loaner device he would return to the one offering it? Aug 25 16:58:31 chem|st: merlin1991: thedead1440: sixwheeledbeast: qwazix: ^^^^ Aug 25 16:59:32 DocScrutinizer05, +1 for sponsoring a device Aug 25 16:59:38 also what does board think about it? Aug 25 17:01:14 hi qwazix! :) thanks for your vote Aug 25 17:02:42 GeneralAntilles: Jaffa: Win7Mac: what's board's notion? Aug 25 17:02:54 in czech republic n900 coasts something about 50-100 dolars... +1 for sponsoring :) Aug 25 17:03:24 (on internet..) Aug 25 17:03:48 lexik: I have a hard time spotting decent offers in czech internet Aug 25 17:04:02 due to the language barrier Aug 25 17:04:43 fleabay has ~17 N900 offered ATM Aug 25 17:05:49 http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-NEW-NOKIA-N900-UNLOCKED-BOXED-1-YEAR-WARRANTY-/161048871619 for example Aug 25 17:06:44 Pali and me are from czech, however n900 is ~cheap~ worldwide Aug 25 17:07:43 and if he need just case, it will be super-cheap to find broken one Aug 25 17:14:56 I'd think Nikolaus should receive a basically working device, so he can check details like LCD interface (which he needs to adapt in GTA04 to use the N900 ACX565AKM instead the Openmoko Topoly LCD), the digitizer, etc- Aug 25 17:16:55 also i'd get proactive and send him one from my shelf of spare N900 and later on fill up my shelf with the one ordered anew Aug 25 17:17:12 to avoid weeks of waiting for parcel to arrive Aug 25 17:17:42 I have no broken N900 I could send to him Aug 25 17:19:38 lexik: nevertheless I'm highly interested to learn about (and get some of) those cheap czech N900 Aug 25 17:32:27 DocScrutinizer05, crazy idea but if we are doing franken900's why not go all the way and use, say, the case of E7? Aug 25 17:32:52 hmm right Aug 25 17:33:24 I have to muse about that a bit Aug 25 17:34:09 Or the case of N810 :) Aug 25 17:35:50 we would need to find out about all the (lectronic) parts we can't produce ourselves, starting at display and not ending at GSM aerial. Need to either find datasheets and/or schematics that really are useful (means: with part labels etc). Think flex-cable, camera module (maybe), domesheet (kbd) etc pp Aug 25 17:36:47 :nod: Aug 25 17:36:56 I dunno if N810 spare cases are available at all. The starting point actually been that N900 2nd source cases are abundance Aug 25 17:37:36 while the GTA04 original GTA01/2 case is as rare an object like the Topoly LCD Aug 25 17:37:57 ok N810 seems to be out, very few listings on ebay Aug 25 17:38:30 also GSM aerial integration in N810 is a PITA Aug 25 17:38:32 E7 still has a lot though Aug 25 17:38:46 spare cases? LCDs? Aug 25 17:39:09 spare cases. LCD's might be a problem: nHD Aug 25 17:39:22 hmm, I guess the N900-factor is something we don't want to miss Aug 25 17:39:55 also e7 is c-ts, no? Aug 25 17:40:46 yep Aug 25 17:40:54 so we could christianize that one GTA04-N950E and sell it for EUR1800 ;-P Aug 25 17:41:13 exactly :P ! Aug 25 17:42:01 E7 glass is not fused with lcd like N9 so we could use any other lcd in theory Aug 25 17:42:20 4" is pretty common Aug 25 17:42:39 actually aside from building the hardware, our main problem is finding a small crew of really professional hackers to port fremantle to the GTA04 platform Aug 25 17:44:30 As I said back when I was thinking about the Nexus 7 I think the way to go is to just build hildon on a modern platform and recompile extras, instead of porting fremantle Aug 25 17:44:43 wouldn't be easier to take a 'standard distro, eg debian, then addd hildon? Aug 25 17:44:48 qwazix: +1 Aug 25 17:44:57 so far I spot 4..5 major problems domains: bootloader, graphicslib, DSP, libisi/modem, and depending on hw adaption PA Aug 25 17:45:08 I have built hildon on latest ubuntu, I have some problems with themes, but it works Aug 25 17:45:46 (also that will mean a shitload of new apps from ubuntu touch) Aug 25 17:46:24 the same thing could be done with mer instead of ubuntu, I just said ubuntu as it's really close to maemo (upstart, apt) Aug 25 17:46:42 I'd like to keep ABI compatibility, so N900 binaries can run on GTA04-n900 Aug 25 17:48:35 My humble opinion is that it's pointless. Most distros don't keep binary compatibility from version to version either, we are not microsoft. Aug 25 17:48:35 a true N900 replacement, that just needs its own kernel and some core system adaptions (think BME), otherwise works exactly same like N900 on frematle extras repos Aug 25 17:49:09 I wanna keep fremantle Aug 25 17:49:18 incl all the services Aug 25 17:49:34 We should just do fremantle-2.0 extras and recompile everything we can Aug 25 17:49:38 this is a huuuge selling point Aug 25 17:50:33 to make replacing a broken or too "old" and lame N900 by a GTA04-n900 a nobrainer for users Aug 25 17:52:03 same apps? check. Same UI? check. Use all customizations? check (with minor exceptions that are really difficult, like H-E-N or bme-replacement) Aug 25 17:52:46 gta04? Aug 25 17:52:48 use same knowledge base? check Aug 25 17:52:50 *confused* Aug 25 17:52:58 gta04.org Aug 25 17:53:03 ty Aug 25 17:55:27 qwazix: we still could (or even migh have to) do a fremantle-gta04 set of repos, e.g all with support for 3730 and thumb by default. Still we need compatibility on all the above mentioned problem domains Aug 25 17:56:39 GeneralAntilles: you're free to quote me on that story ^^^ in MWKN ;-) Aug 25 17:57:30 Nikolaus would need at least 200 "preorders" to start on that enterprise for real Aug 25 17:57:35 I still think we should get rid the deprecated maemo core. Things are becoming more and more difficult for people due to old packages. It's not maemo, we love, it's what we can do with it. And a recent distro with GTK and Qt plus hildon can fulfill that Aug 25 17:59:08 I disagree. What I love is the available apps ready built as well as what I can do with maemo fremantle (get further apps that are not yet built) Aug 25 18:00:10 I had a smartphone I been able to do with whatever I liked. It been called GTA02 and major problem been the lack of apps available ready to install from a repo Aug 25 18:00:25 But apps are trivial to recompile, compared to the effort of making, say, csd run on new hardware Aug 25 18:00:55 I mean, 95% of extras should just work under any debian based distro Aug 25 18:01:06 I would also suggest (without serious knowledge) not to imitate maemo drivers, but rather fix the few very specific packages Aug 25 18:01:23 another problem been the poor optimization of kernel and system to the hw platform GTA02, resulting in abysmal powersaving. This hasn't changed much until this very day Aug 25 18:01:25 * Wizzup hides Aug 25 18:02:18 qwazix: csd supposed to work ootb on a decently adapted kernel on a OMAP platform, no? Aug 25 18:02:51 I sent email to Nokia with request for source code of maemo5 Aug 25 18:03:09 Pali: you're golden :-D Aug 25 18:03:10 probably, I have no idea, I just thought that being closed would cause some problems Aug 25 18:03:37 I got automatic reply that only written request are accepted Aug 25 18:03:56 so then I found time and sent letter to Nokia Aug 25 18:03:59 Pali, written as in hand-written? Aug 25 18:04:04 yes Aug 25 18:04:09 sent to Nokia postal address Aug 25 18:04:21 omg, what poor nokia has come to... Aug 25 18:04:37 and I got answer (letter) with DVD Aug 25 18:04:46 LOL Aug 25 18:05:00 on letter was written that "is is open source code and look on wikipedia what is means" Aug 25 18:05:06 lemme guess, it been a copy of linux main branch? Aug 25 18:05:17 I opened DVD and there one BIG file Aug 25 18:05:29 ISO image of CD :D:D:D Aug 25 18:05:40 ROTFL Aug 25 18:05:42 sob Aug 25 18:05:44 I mounted that ISO image via loopback Aug 25 18:05:57 and there was only copy of repository.maemo.org Aug 25 18:06:05 nice. Aug 25 18:06:07 nothing new Aug 25 18:06:07 and surprise surprise, it had flasher-3,5 and images Aug 25 18:06:20 but I never got DVD with ISO image :D:D:D Aug 25 18:06:33 morons Aug 25 18:06:44 not only open source software which is in maemo scrastchbox sdk Aug 25 18:07:21 but this was really funny, they do not know how to burn iso image to DVD... in nokia Aug 25 18:07:23 Pali: see backscroll Aug 25 18:07:38 we might need your expertise Aug 25 18:07:56 long term project Aug 25 18:08:15 port KP52 to a new platform, incl all drivers ;-D Aug 25 18:08:27 well, slightly new Aug 25 18:08:28 DocScrutinizer05: problem is that I do not have time :-( Aug 25 18:08:36 why KP52 and not upstream kernel? Aug 25 18:09:00 linux 2.6.28 is old and dead Aug 25 18:09:06 because of the fremantle specific nokia patches that are not to be found in upstream Aug 25 18:09:26 DocScrutinizer05: this can be fixed Aug 25 18:09:40 so basically for same reason why we don't use kernel-3.6 on fremantle N900 Aug 25 18:09:40 in CSSU-devel I removing needs for nokia custom patches Aug 25 18:09:54 I can use 3.10 on fremantle :-) Aug 25 18:10:02 but not working correclty... Aug 25 18:10:42 the GTA04-n900 shall first instance mimik a true N900 as closely as possible Aug 25 18:10:54 simply with faster CPU and more RAM Aug 25 18:11:06 DocScrutinizer05: needed maemo5 interfaces I forward-ported to 3.10 kernel and which was not needed I removed from maemo scripts Aug 25 18:11:34 problematic is only GSM part Aug 25 18:11:40 :nod: Aug 25 18:11:49 which not working and I do not know how to fix it :-( Aug 25 18:11:52 this has to see major redesign anyway Aug 25 18:12:11 libisi-compatible top to AT-cmdset bottom Aug 25 18:12:26 freemangordon wrote that he maybe could fix that problem... Aug 25 18:12:41 like he fixed harmattan DSP to work on fremantle Aug 25 18:12:51 well that's for new kernel on N900 Aug 25 18:13:12 need to strace nokia applications Aug 25 18:13:16 and see why it failing Aug 25 18:13:27 what i'm talking about is basically old kernel on new modem, not BB5 cmt Aug 25 18:13:59 old kernel with new HW is really big problem Aug 25 18:14:17 not that much, i guess Aug 25 18:14:34 and problem is that nobody will help you with this Aug 25 18:14:45 that's the point Aug 25 18:14:50 because kernel devs do not care about 2.6.28 Aug 25 18:15:14 when nobody is interested in a faster newer N900 with original fremantle maemo running on it, it won't happen Aug 25 18:15:45 really if you want maemo5 on new HW, just reuse my patches which are in CSSU-devel and my patches for 3.10 kernel Aug 25 18:16:02 this is easy and better way Aug 25 18:16:36 and what stops us from doing same on N900? there must be a reason why we keep KP on 2.6.28 for N900 Aug 25 18:17:16 reason is that in nokia patched 2.6.28 kernel are dirty hacks for omap3 power save mode Aug 25 18:17:25 exactly Aug 25 18:17:28 and there are hacked camera drivers Aug 25 18:17:42 and working GSM/3G drivers Aug 25 18:17:48 which are not in upstream Aug 25 18:17:59 and it's exactly those dirty hacks we need for GTA04-N900 as well Aug 25 18:18:15 gta04 is omap3? Aug 25 18:18:58 since we don't need yetz another mer that cuts through battery in no time, thanks to "we want leete new kernel, no matter what it costs us" policy Aug 25 18:19:06 yes, OMAP4 Aug 25 18:19:15 like N9 Aug 25 18:19:23 err nope Aug 25 18:19:30 36xx Aug 25 18:19:35 n9 is omap3 and it is different as omap4 Aug 25 18:19:40 still omap3 I think Aug 25 18:20:02 anyway GTA04 is 3630 Aug 25 18:20:11 ok Aug 25 18:20:13 or rather DL37000 or sth Aug 25 18:21:04 DocScrutinizer05: do you know something about jolla HW? Aug 25 18:21:11 zilch Aug 25 18:22:22 maybe if they have device with qwerty keyboard and open bootloader + some public spec it could be possible to use maemo5 Aug 25 18:22:27 the secret souce of a decent working embedded system with good powersaving *are* those nasty jacks you dispise so much Aug 25 18:22:34 sauce* Aug 25 18:22:46 and hacks even Aug 25 18:23:47 Pali: GTA04 exists. We plan to slightly modify it in shape and design to fit into N900 case and display Aug 25 18:24:50 the idea of that being to offer a *true* alternative for N900 users who broke their device and just want a new possibly better one, to continue exactly where they stopped on their beloved rover RX51 Aug 25 18:25:51 sounds good, but I'm afraid it is not easy and dont belive it happen in near future... Aug 25 18:26:02 and it seems there are still a few out there who love fremantle Aug 25 18:26:16 me too Aug 25 18:26:22 but I do not have time... Aug 25 18:26:34 porting fremantle to beagleboard been done by stskeeps years ago Aug 25 18:26:50 school obligations Aug 25 18:26:53 GTA04 is based on that protoboard, like N9 is Aug 25 18:27:05 heh Aug 25 18:27:13 hi ShadowJK Aug 25 18:27:17 :-) Aug 25 18:27:28 beagleboard original was like n900's omap side Aug 25 18:27:41 err right Aug 25 18:27:49 But they kept swapping in the latest omap3 and ram+nand Aug 25 18:28:03 So latest version is pretty much like N9 Aug 25 18:28:22 :-) Aug 25 18:28:34 how do you like the GTA04-N900 idea? Aug 25 18:30:02 Sounds marginally less doomed than ideas of desoldering beagleboards to replace N900 SoC Aug 25 18:30:30 we will keep charging as in GTA04 (via tpd65950, no bq), but I hope to make changes to adopt pretty much all other peripherals except modem (and GPS) exactly like on N900 Aug 25 18:31:01 ShadowJK: keep in mind GTA04 exists Aug 25 18:31:14 there are 100s of those devices being sold already Aug 25 18:31:25 I still think we should get rid the deprecated maemo core. Things are becoming more and more difficult for people due to old packages. It's not maemo, we love, it's what we can do with it. And a recent distro with GTK and Qt plus hildon can fulfill that Aug 25 18:32:24 I wholeheartedly disagree. It's been the "own distro" that kept GTA0x from flying Aug 25 18:32:26 DocScrutinizer05: I think there is bigger problem as linux n900 phone... I'm not able to find some working notebook where can be linux installed and working... Aug 25 18:32:48 every new HW is with that fucking UEFI and enabled secureboot Aug 25 18:33:10 I thought it could be disabled? Aug 25 18:33:18 not on ARM Aug 25 18:33:20 and all hotkeys and buttons are managed via WMI Aug 25 18:33:20 ? Aug 25 18:33:37 on ARM, UEFI cannot be disabled Aug 25 18:33:42 I think pali is talking about x86 laptops Aug 25 18:33:45 on x86 somewhere yes Aug 25 18:34:18 but some x86 firmware not allow you to update UEFI list of bootloaders also when secureboot is disabled Aug 25 18:34:23 well, i'm out. Busy with GTA04, no time for netbooks Aug 25 18:34:42 DocScrutinizer05: yeah seems like it was the ad blocker Aug 25 18:34:45 fail heh Aug 25 18:35:10 Mac3: I already augmented ~jrtools Aug 25 18:35:32 jrtools? Aug 25 18:35:55 ~jrtools Aug 25 18:35:56 rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Aug 25 18:36:55 oh heh Aug 25 18:37:38 ShadowJK: I have a hard time seeing how this whole "future for maemo" thing could fly when nobody is the slightest bit enthusiastic about it Aug 25 18:39:15 chain how changing brightness working on my hp: I press decrease btightness button --> emit ACPI brigtness event --> kernel handle it and translate to key code --> userspace daemon (or KDE/...) read it and tel kernel to change brightness --> kernel will call ACPI method for that --> ACPI bytecode of that method will emit signal need to change brightness --> kernel handle this event and tell it to drivers which watching for event --> graphics Aug 25 18:39:15 radeon drm driver will get it and write to some register something: this will change brightness finally --> then kernel emit event that brightness was changed Aug 25 18:39:24 this is not normal ^^^^ Aug 25 18:39:48 that's hardly on topic Aug 25 18:40:56 if you think a working linux netbook has higher priority than maemo future, then maybe discuss in in #netbook Aug 25 18:41:11 seems like quite a few steps to change brightness Aug 25 18:42:27 DocScrutinizer05: didnt you scream at me that maemo has no future on other devices a while back? ;) Aug 25 18:43:18 the point is: this is NOT "another" device. This is a device tailored to duplicate N900 Aug 25 18:43:35 oh? Aug 25 18:43:41 which device? Aug 25 18:43:49 www.gta04.org Aug 25 18:44:19 the gta04-n900 variant of it Aug 25 18:44:27 yet to come Aug 25 18:44:57 in a original N900 case, with original n900 display/ts Aug 25 18:45:39 seems vaporware :) have you gotten one yet? Aug 25 18:45:40 and I'm just trying to find experts who are optimistic about "and with original fremantle running on it" Aug 25 18:45:45 made in bavaria? Aug 25 18:45:52 sure, 18 months ago Aug 25 18:45:55 oh Aug 25 18:46:06 no vaporware Aug 25 18:46:09 what does it come with stock? Aug 25 18:46:10 100s sold already Aug 25 18:46:13 os wise Aug 25 18:46:19 whatever you want Aug 25 18:46:29 it doesn't "come with" Aug 25 18:46:59 it's a hw hacker product, not a complete consumer product Aug 25 18:47:05 ah ok. Aug 25 18:47:13 and you can speak on it? heh Aug 25 18:47:18 yes Aug 25 18:47:24 wow. seems interesting Aug 25 18:47:29 if phonecalls is what you meant Aug 25 18:47:31 especially if it is truly open Aug 25 18:47:35 it is Aug 25 18:47:35 ys. i did Aug 25 18:47:50 well. have to admit. that is very interesting Aug 25 18:47:50 it hardly can get more open Aug 25 18:48:05 although... a8 is rather ancient Aug 25 18:48:29 currently some guys in the openmoko community bitch at Nikolaus to share the gerber files needed to produce the PCB Aug 25 18:48:31 ;-P Aug 25 18:49:08 haha Aug 25 18:49:29 hardware is always the issue huh? Aug 25 18:49:41 is he producing them too slowly? Aug 25 18:49:47 Mac3: if you can afford buying 1mio SoCs from TI and paying a 100 man team to develop a device based on that SoC during 6 months, you're free to do better than Nikolaus Aug 25 18:49:51 cant see there being much demand for them Aug 25 18:50:20 lol. i wasnt being judgmental... i was just pointing out a fact. Aug 25 18:50:47 the fact is that it's a fine 99% replacement for N900, just faster and more RAM Aug 25 18:51:00 sure. not judging Aug 25 18:51:04 and 100% free Aug 25 18:51:21 so did you manage to get maemo on it? Aug 25 18:51:26 and we can do tweaks to the hw to all our liking Aug 25 18:51:31 or are you having problems with the closed bits still? heh Aug 25 18:52:10 Mac3: sorry, we're still developing. Not the right time to ask such end consumer questions Aug 25 18:52:35 oh. i just figured the closed bits of maemo would still prove problematic Aug 25 18:53:04 that's what I just tried to discuss here, when guys digressed to netbooks and whatnot Aug 25 18:53:09 plus wouldnt you run into awkward licensing issues with telepathy? Aug 25 18:53:22 o.O ??? Aug 25 18:53:41 i thought telepathy was closed Aug 25 18:53:42 how is there any licencing in telepathy? Aug 25 18:54:05 guess i'm wrong? Aug 25 18:54:20 I have no problem whatsoever to copy and use any closed blob of maemo on another platform Aug 25 18:54:46 oh. nokia doesnt restrict that sort of use? Aug 25 18:54:51 maemo got donated to community, incl the right to redistribute blobs Aug 25 18:54:58 oh. nice Aug 25 18:55:04 guess that helps heh Aug 25 18:55:34 surely telepathy isn't closed since i believe it's part of GNOME? Aug 25 18:56:02 LjL-Alps: not sure. i remember someone discussing it here or maybe in symbian Aug 25 18:56:04 after all such blobs are vastly useless on any other hw platform anyway... except this tailored-to-fit gta04 hw Aug 25 18:56:29 DocScrutinizer05: well. hoefully the other closed bits dont prove to be a problem Aug 25 18:56:36 telepathy is FOSS for all I know Aug 25 18:56:49 but it would be awesome to see if you can mange to get it consumer workable Aug 25 18:56:58 and eliminate the blobs if possible Aug 25 18:57:08 you might find more maemo support doing that Aug 25 18:57:14 *I* won't do that Aug 25 18:57:34 well... whoever does these things. the maemo dev pool is rather shallow heh Aug 25 18:57:40 it's *you* - the community - who needs to make it happen Aug 25 18:58:39 I'm just your humble coordinator who happens to know another guy who is a wizard at hw design and manufacturing Aug 25 18:59:02 and interested in my idea to convert gta04 into a N900-look-alike Aug 25 18:59:03 one begets the other Aug 25 18:59:05 hw wise Aug 25 18:59:17 i would say the "community" starts with development Aug 25 18:59:23 not with end users ;) Aug 25 18:59:45 i doubt anybody would care if it looks like an n900 Aug 25 18:59:46 whatever you say Aug 25 18:59:51 so long as it has maemo on it Aug 25 19:00:25 well. you asked to discuss it... so I am discussing ;) Aug 25 19:00:55 i dunno about that; i for one chose n900 for the keyboard Aug 25 19:01:27 it being maemo actually was an awesome bonus Aug 25 19:01:43 but now i don't ever want to change away from maemo... or the keyboard. Aug 25 19:01:59 DocScrutinizer05 that would actualy be great Aug 25 19:02:00 so GTA04-N900 is for you Aug 25 19:02:33 it won't be cheap! at *least* as much as N900 cost when it came out Aug 25 19:02:43 i'm probably not going to use the N900 as my main phone, fancy buying a Galaxy Nexus or something else that runs Replicant :( feel bit guilty though Aug 25 19:03:46 the more devices we get preordered, the cheaper it gets (or rather, the less expensive) Aug 25 19:04:32 buying 200 SoC and buying 1000 SoCs makes already a huge difference Aug 25 19:04:50 DocScrutinizer05: wouldn't the dialer be completely different, anyway? Aug 25 19:05:28 kerio: I hope for our cracks to code a janus lib that interfaces from libisi API to plain AT commandset on modem interface Aug 25 19:06:06 and shouldn't we *want* a dialer? Aug 25 19:06:22 a new* Aug 25 19:06:25 prolly simpler than the already existing interface in FSO to interface to BB5 ISI interface Aug 25 19:06:49 err, did I really use same wort 3 times in one sentence? Aug 25 19:07:34 what i meant: Mickey Lauer wrote a BB5 interface in FSO framework, so the other way arounf should also be feasible Aug 25 19:08:22 I actually asked for a FSO to libisi compatibility layer for long time, thus slipping in FSO framework into maemo/meego ;-) Aug 25 19:08:23 what graphics does the gta04 have? Aug 25 19:08:32 same as N900 Aug 25 19:08:39 aiui Aug 25 19:08:39 that's convenient Aug 25 19:08:58 it's a 3630 basically Aug 25 19:11:47 does it have the same issues with the thumb2 ISA as the 3430? Aug 25 19:13:46 My guess would be that it's a newer revision and has many hw errata fixed Aug 25 19:13:54 your *hope* Aug 25 19:14:06 who was the 3630 made for? Aug 25 19:14:19 Part of the reason nobody wants to deal with the thumb errata in N900's 3430, is that newer 3430 had that issue fixed and was widely available on beagleboards Aug 25 19:14:28 oic Aug 25 19:20:24 thus [2013-08-25 19:55:27] qwazix: we still could (or even migh have to) do a fremantle-gta04 set of repos, e.g all with support for 3730 and thumb by default. Aug 25 19:21:35 DocScrutinizer05: i don't care about the cost, if i can trust it to function the same as the n900 (with maemo + whatever parts needed/found for this project) i'm all game Aug 25 19:21:56 alright raccoon_ doesn't care about the cost Aug 25 19:21:57 is there a crowdfunding project or otherwise more informative details available on this? Aug 25 19:22:02 raccoon_: it's going to cost 250k€ Aug 25 19:22:11 we got our funds! Aug 25 19:22:26 raccoon_: we're in the initial phase to set up something like that Aug 25 19:22:43 kerio: you want me to explicitly prefix each line withe "personally, it's my humble opinion that..."? Aug 25 19:22:48 with* Aug 25 19:23:21 i take for granted you won't run up the price just for the sake of it, therefor i assume the price will justify the costs. for a fucking awesome phone. Aug 25 19:23:47 no i meant that you, not caring about the costs, can fund the whole thing :D Aug 25 19:23:53 hahaha Aug 25 19:23:53 raccoon_: for now you might utter your interest so Nikolaus can hear it. Maybe on https://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Wishlist&referer=GTA04 Aug 25 19:24:05 clearly mention gta04-N900 Aug 25 19:24:06 kerio: if i had that kinda monies, it'd be my pleasure :-P Aug 25 19:24:30 DocScrutinizer05: aight, cool. will spread the words to some n900 enthusiasts at our hackerspace too Aug 25 19:24:42 cool! we need that so much! Aug 25 19:25:40 we also need hackers who are willing to port maemo fremantle to that platform Aug 25 19:26:24 just make the project accessible and i'll help you out in any way i can Aug 25 19:26:25 on the one hand, if the hardware isn't similar enough, we might have to make something completely new Aug 25 19:26:26 it shouldn't be too hard I guess. But anyway we need to start with evaluation _how_ hard it actually will get Aug 25 19:26:37 on the other hand, if the hardware isn't similar enough we can get rid of all the maemo cruft Aug 25 19:26:42 i mean, make projects public (easy to contribute to, at least as easy to share info about) Aug 25 19:26:54 DocScrutinizer05: mer with hildon-desktop! Aug 25 19:27:14 mer never arrived at proper power management, iirc Aug 25 19:28:03 you can't do proper power management without the hardware to manage Aug 25 19:28:15 it never arrived to proper power management on n900 because nobody cared Aug 25 19:28:35 raccoon_: fro a start you could /join #openmoko-cdevel, where a small part of the discussion takes place Aug 25 19:29:00 i would join too, but i can offer no help whatsoever with stuff like this :s Aug 25 19:29:07 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/openmoko-cdevel.20130825.txt Aug 25 19:29:11 DocScrutinizer05: awesome, was about to ask Aug 25 19:30:58 also check community@lists.openmoko.or ML Aug 25 19:31:48 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/ Aug 25 19:32:31 I also posted a suggestion on maemo community ML, several weeks ago, in parallel to openmoko ML Aug 25 19:32:42 community@lists.openmoko.org == maemo-community@lists.maemo.org ? Aug 25 19:32:45 ah ok Aug 25 19:32:47 not the same then Aug 25 19:32:58 it is the same Aug 25 19:33:17 just my local mail addr it sends new post from Aug 25 19:33:20 why don't you raise $32m on indiegogo for a new N900 Aug 25 19:34:03 LjL-Alps: first of all: because *nobody* can build new N900 nowadays. You can't source the parts anymore Aug 25 19:34:37 some parts like BB5 you probably never could Aug 25 19:35:22 second when we build new device, we at least use the best SoC that still offers 100% compatibility Aug 25 19:36:14 3rd we won't ever rise 32mio Aug 25 19:36:26 100k was already fine ;-D Aug 25 19:36:34 DocScrutinizer05: erm, it was a joke about the Ubuntu Edge, not a question as to why you aren't trying to replicate the N900 exactly... :P Aug 25 19:38:23 raccoon_: OOPS sorry, I messed up maemo ML with OM ML Aug 25 19:39:13 raccoon_: here's the correct link: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/ Aug 25 19:43:28 raccoon_: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2013-August/068802.html Aug 25 19:44:29 DocScrutinizer05: hi :) this n900 is for 2699CZK --> something about 140 dolars... this is cheap, in my opinion. Mine device is from the same server (aukro.cz) and it cost 2000CZK (100 dolars..) but i really dont know if it is cheaper than in other countries Aug 25 19:44:34 http://aukro.cz/nokia-n900-32gb-kompletni-dobry-stav-qwerty-i3486838451.html Aug 25 19:45:03 thanks a lot! Aug 25 19:45:27 is this new or used one? Aug 25 19:45:47 used one Aug 25 19:45:52 says good kondition in the link Aug 25 19:45:57 condition* Aug 25 19:46:22 hmm, used ones are dangerous Aug 25 19:47:02 not from this server :) trust me :) it is not ebay similar :) Aug 25 19:47:10 and not much more expensive here in Germany or anywhere else on the internet. For Nikolaus it might suffice nevertheless Aug 25 19:47:44 eh, bought an N900 on ebay for €85, was perfectly fine so far as i can tell, unused accessories Aug 25 19:47:48 used ones often have semi-borked USB and/or broken cmt Aug 25 19:47:55 cmt? Aug 25 19:47:58 modem Aug 25 19:48:00 GSM Aug 25 19:48:01 oh Aug 25 19:48:02 does it matter? Aug 25 19:48:10 not for nikolaus Aug 25 19:48:15 for what he need n900 pcd? Aug 25 19:48:20