**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 30 02:59:58 2013
Aug 30 05:03:43 <Tekk_> there any docs for usb tethering? The wiki mentions that you can bluetooth tether on the bluetooth page, but that's all I've seen as far as tethering
Aug 30 05:08:50 <korhojoa> there should be a guide to doing that
Aug 30 05:08:54 <korhojoa> i've used it
Aug 30 05:10:16 <korhojoa> if you don't use pc suite, you can use this http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking
Aug 30 05:10:40 <korhojoa> sorry, this http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router
Aug 30 05:12:44 <Tekk_> does pc suite even exist off of windows?
Aug 30 05:13:45 <korhojoa> not that i know of
Aug 30 06:07:53 <Apic> A splendid good Morning (UGT) to You all!
Aug 30 06:25:04 <XATRIX> Guys, can you explain me why if i want to install Android OS on my RX-51 it's slow as hell ?
Aug 30 06:25:21 <XATRIX> I thought Samsung Android devices uses ARM Cortex as well ?
Aug 30 06:40:17 <Hurrian> XATRIX: power HAL isn't complete, and only 256MB of RAM is a big limiting factor
Aug 30 06:41:21 <XATRIX> 256M or RAM is not enough for Android 2 or 4 ?
Aug 30 06:41:39 <Apic> No.
Aug 30 06:42:04 <Hurrian> 512MB would be cutting it close
Aug 30 06:42:19 <Hurrian> 1GB has been enough for a few years now
Aug 30 06:42:47 <Apic> True.
Aug 30 07:18:26 <ginggs> hi all, some packages of mine have built successfully, but not appeared in extras-devel, is there a problem with the repos?
Aug 30 10:50:58 <divVerent> I have this for a few days now... HAM tells me to update mc
Aug 30 10:51:07 <divVerent> but it cannot do that because it depends on a libslang2 we don't have
Aug 30 10:51:20 <divVerent> is that known?
Aug 30 11:13:25 <xes> divVerent: it seems that this new build depends on a package present only in the sdk repo. Maintainer is looking at this issue
Aug 30 11:22:33 <Win7Mac> where did the maemo servers reside before the migration (which country)?
Aug 30 11:32:17 <Win7Mac> before 1st migration I mean
Aug 30 11:32:41 <Win7Mac> Europe or USA?
Aug 30 11:32:47 <xes> sorry, no idea 
Aug 30 11:33:40 <auenfx4> got the old ip?
Aug 30 11:33:41 <divVerent> xes: ok
Aug 30 11:33:49 <divVerent> it's not urgent in any way, just the updater is annoying :P
Aug 30 11:34:34 <Win7Mac> auenfx4, I don't
Aug 30 11:39:32 <xes> Win7Mac: http://dnshistory.org/dns-records/maemo.org This seems to suggest it was in Finland also in 2010 and 2011. Maybe DocScrutinizer05 has some more details
Aug 30 11:41:28 <Win7Mac> thanks xes, I read Logica was hosting it back then, but not where
Aug 30 11:46:09 <xes> Win7Mac: http://myip.ms/view/ip_owners/19276/Logica_Finland_Oy_Dmz_Datacentre_Services.html
Aug 30 11:50:26 <Win7Mac> Rob stated that "forum server and database is in the US" here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1300360#post1300360
Aug 30 11:51:07 <Win7Mac> but that would apply for tmo only then?
Aug 30 12:30:04 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: Who said SDR?
Aug 30 12:30:29 <xes> SDR: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370620
Aug 30 13:14:32 <freemangordon> Pali: did you test rx51_battery.ko in KP52? As I am able to load the module, but nothing appears in /sys/class/power_supply
Aug 30 13:15:48 <Pali> freemangordon: in kp52? it working fine on my device
Aug 30 13:16:07 <Pali> check dmesg and also modprobe blacklist
Aug 30 13:29:53 <freemangordon> Pali: the module is loaded, nothing suspicious in dmesg
Aug 30 13:30:39 <freemangordon> Pali: are you sure KP52 in the repos and the one installed on your device are the same?
Aug 30 13:31:16 <Pali> will check md5sum of bootimg
Aug 30 13:32:40 <Pali> /opt/boot/zImage-2.6.28.10-power52 is same
Aug 30 13:32:58 <Pali> as from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power-bootimg_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb
Aug 30 13:34:20 <Pali> also rx51_battery.ko is same as in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb
Aug 30 13:34:45 <Pali> freemangordon: can you check your installation?
Aug 30 13:35:15 <freemangordon> Pali: maybe I am doing something wrong, but in short is it - stop bme, modprobe power_supply, insmod /lib../rx51_battery.ko
Aug 30 13:35:28 <Pali> uname -a show me Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013
Aug 30 13:35:49 <Pali> try also modprobe rx51_battery instead insmod with full path
Aug 30 13:36:09 <freemangordon> Pali: seems I am stupid :(
Aug 30 13:36:25 <freemangordon> I forgot to tell u-boot to boot kp52 by default
Aug 30 13:36:26 <Pali> and rx51_battery should be autoloaded
Aug 30 13:36:32 <freemangordon> sorry for the noise
Aug 30 13:36:39 <Pali> ok
Aug 30 13:47:54 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: ping
Aug 30 13:48:06 <DocScrutinizer05> pong
Aug 30 13:49:33 <xes> i think you should look at the screenshot i have just added.. ;-)
Aug 30 13:51:42 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Aug 30 13:52:36 <DocScrutinizer05> try lowering the sampling freq
Aug 30 13:52:44 <xes> now it seems something real
Aug 30 13:55:56 <xes> so far the worst issue is the hostmode switch... often the device is not detected. But it could be a power supply issue
Aug 30 13:57:05 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: do you have some script to switch on/off hostmode and vboost?
Aug 30 14:02:37 <DocScrutinizer05> vboost already has a script that gets used by h-e-n gui
Aug 30 14:03:02 <DocScrutinizer05> use my massively improved one, I donno if you already got that
Aug 30 14:03:47 <DocScrutinizer05> "mirror"  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/opt/rtlsdr/
Aug 30 14:04:20 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston
Aug 30 14:04:34 <DocScrutinizer05> vboost script ^^^^
Aug 30 14:05:34 <xes> whoa... so fast... Already mirrored? ;-)
Aug 30 14:05:54 <LjL-Alps> i hate you people
Aug 30 14:06:11 <LjL-Alps> now i have to rush somewhere i this godforsaken valley to find a USB-OTG cable
Aug 30 14:06:12 <LjL-Alps> in*
Aug 30 14:07:13 <xes> LjL-Alps: real life problems.... where one "find|grep cable" can't help...
Aug 30 14:08:06 <LjL-Alps> hey, i wonder if this double-USB-charger i have can be used to connect two data cables together so i end up with the correct configuration ;(
Aug 30 14:08:16 <LjL-Alps> trying
Aug 30 14:09:01 <LjL-Alps> ah i can't, i need an extension cord that i lack due to space issues
Aug 30 14:09:28 <DocScrutinizer05> LjL-Alps: actually you probably can rework that charger to make an awesome OTG adapter
Aug 30 14:09:56 <DocScrutinizer05> caveat:
Aug 30 14:10:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hostmode-charging
Aug 30 14:10:02 <infobot> hmm... hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203
Aug 30 14:11:12 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: (already mirrored) yeah, xesget works fine, just datarate was like 22kB/s for the gnuradio 8MB blob
Aug 30 14:11:51 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: i know it was you!! :-) i was re-upping that tar with a fixed file :-)
Aug 30 14:12:23 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: that script takes care only of vboost? Right? ..not high/full hostmode
Aug 30 14:12:42 <DocScrutinizer05> right
Aug 30 14:13:40 <xes> no way to switch all things in the right way from shell before start with rtl-sdr tools?
Aug 30 14:13:47 <DocScrutinizer05> there are 2 commented lines that allude to actually enabling hostmode
Aug 30 14:14:11 <DocScrutinizer05>   #sleep 1
Aug 30 14:14:13 <DocScrutinizer05>   #echo F >/proc/driver/musb-hdrc
Aug 30 14:14:20 <LjL-Alps> DocScrutinizer05: err, looks like greek to me right now (actually no, i can read some greek), i will read the whole thread carefully later, but long story short, am i likely to fry something if i just try connecting the N900 to (say) an MP3 player via this charger, while it's (not) plugged into the wall?
Aug 30 14:14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> add another few and you should be mostly fine
Aug 30 14:17:07 <DocScrutinizer05> LjL-Alps: the problem might be huge buffer capacitor in charger's VBUS output, which could cause inrush spike on N900 enabling VBUS and thus the bq25150 *might* decide to shut down. You'll notice this with my improved booston script, it rises a notifier. No particular risk to damage anything 
Aug 30 14:17:37 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys hostmode
Aug 30 14:17:38 <infobot> Factoid search of 'hostmode' by key (4): hostmode-charging #DEL# ;; hostmode-charging ;; hostmode-powered ;; hostmode.
Aug 30 14:18:22 <DocScrutinizer05> blueled came up with some scripts that should enable hostmode "unattended"
Aug 30 14:18:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hostmode
Aug 30 14:18:34 <infobot> somebody said hostmode was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCDyUO0sKQ, or see ~hostmode-powered
Aug 30 14:18:42 <DocScrutinizer05> somewhere in that thread
Aug 30 14:19:05 <LjL-Alps> DocScrutinizer05: ah, ok
Aug 30 14:29:47 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: how bad is usb hostmode bandwith bottleneck?
Aug 30 14:29:57 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: do you see lots of underruns?
Aug 30 14:30:26 <DocScrutinizer05> or lots of dropped samples or whatever rtl_fm might complain about?
Aug 30 14:31:38 <DocScrutinizer05> I asked keenerd about reducing samplerathe, he said in theory there's a 250k sample mode but that sucks since you can't get any clean multiple of your rx frequency
Aug 30 14:31:51 <DocScrutinizer05> or sth like that, so you'd need resampling
Aug 30 14:32:17 <DocScrutinizer05> so far rtl_fm doesn't support it due to that
Aug 30 14:33:56 <DocScrutinizer05> he *might* implement it eventually, but that increases cpu load then, due to resampling
Aug 30 14:34:00 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-08-30 16:06:21] <keenerd> Hrm, using 250k is not going to be easy.  To make the math as fast and friendly as possible, the sample rate is choosen such that you don't need to do any fractional resampling.  Fixed sample rates kind of kill that.
Aug 30 14:36:04 <DocScrutinizer05> a truck full of windows workstations shall run over me if we're not the most leete community gathering around a cute little embedded device that you can possibly find anywhere ;-)
Aug 30 14:41:03 <xes> i think that the worst part is the cpu load... sometimes you can obtain better results recording to file instead sending to the pulseaudio output 
Aug 30 14:51:42 <DocScrutinizer05> pukeaudio sucks donkey balls
Aug 30 14:52:08 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe worth stoppiing it all together before starting aplay
Aug 30 14:53:46 <DocScrutinizer05> it's >>aplay -> alsa -> soundcard[[   then, rather than >>aplay -> PA-ALSA-compatlayer -> PA -> alsa -> soundcard[[
Aug 30 14:54:37 <DocScrutinizer05> where "PA" in fact is some terrible stuff including XPROT and a lot of resmapling and mixing and equalizing and whatnot
Aug 30 14:55:58 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll need to use alsamixer -c0 then, to adjust volume etc
Aug 30 14:56:09 <xes> the better thing would be to have an initialization script that prepares all the things before run anything concernin rtl-sdr 
Aug 30 14:56:13 <korhojoa> ~hostmode-powered
Aug 30 14:56:13 <infobot> hostmode-powered is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203
Aug 30 14:56:30 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: sure :-)
Aug 30 14:56:56 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: definitely this isn't rev1.0 yet
Aug 30 14:57:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Aug 30 15:00:06 <xes> so, enable hostmode, vboost (disable/enable/../) until lsusb can see the device, stop everything that could interfere with sdr. Then "ready to go"
Aug 30 15:01:27 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: I even might consider writing a nice script that takes care about PA, about hostmode, even hostmode-powered, and all that, and finally starts rtl_fm (in a loop, till aborted?). Just I CBA to mess with messybox scripting
Aug 30 15:01:54 <DocScrutinizer05> err, yes
Aug 30 15:02:14 <xes> ? sorry
Aug 30 15:02:40 <DocScrutinizer05> sth like that. Though I prolly would go for monitoring kevents or dmesg or syslog to find out about detected USB device
Aug 30 15:03:04 <DocScrutinizer05> and I'm not sure if you didn't forget ENUM
Aug 30 15:03:28 <DocScrutinizer05> though this should get taken care about by udev rule
Aug 30 15:03:47 <korhojoa> oh wow
Aug 30 15:03:52 <korhojoa> i really want some sdr stuff now
Aug 30 15:03:56 <DocScrutinizer05> HAHA
Aug 30 15:04:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I got three sticks in front of me
Aug 30 15:04:07 <korhojoa> showing that to my network comms teacher would probably be pretty neat
Aug 30 15:04:13 <korhojoa> mail one to me.
Aug 30 15:04:19 <korhojoa> where did you buy yours?
Aug 30 15:05:45 <DocScrutinizer05> one is a cheesy but easily available and tiny logilink "va0002" that I bought ages ago, the other two are terratec based on E4000 tuner which I ordered a 2 weeks ago at fleabay
Aug 30 15:06:04 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.amazon.de/gp/offer-listing/B007EB995U/
Aug 30 15:06:35 <DocScrutinizer05> those are huge monsters
Aug 30 15:07:00 <DocScrutinizer05> about 5 times the size (and 20 times the volume) of the logilink
Aug 30 15:07:37 <DocScrutinizer05> well, twice+ the length, and 5 times the volume ;-)
Aug 30 15:07:42 <xes> this could be an option: http://www.ebay.it/itm/New-USB-2-0-DVB-T-STICK-RTL2832U-R820T-TV-DVD-MPEG-2-FM-radio-DAB-radio-WMA-/171108255911?pt=US_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item27d6d8c8a7
Aug 30 15:07:49 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Aug 30 15:08:09 <korhojoa> http://www.amazon.de/Terratec-ran-T-Stick-DVB-T-schwarz/dp/B007EB995U/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3OSPSMZV7DOD8 ?
Aug 30 15:08:20 <DocScrutinizer05> r820t allegedly is almost as good(?) as e4000
Aug 30 15:08:47 <DocScrutinizer05> korhojoa: sounds ok'ish
Aug 30 15:09:30 <DocScrutinizer05> actually that's exactly the offer I buy
Aug 30 15:10:37 <DocScrutinizer05> for the va0002 you *need* parameter -g40 in rtl_fm, for terratec this very option is detrimental
Aug 30 15:11:01 <korhojoa> I just wish it wasn't in german
Aug 30 15:11:11 <DocScrutinizer05> huhß
Aug 30 15:11:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
Aug 30 15:11:33 <DocScrutinizer05> why? because Merkel sucks and still will make it for another 4 years? ;-P
Aug 30 15:12:19 <DocScrutinizer05> move to italy, hope for berlubungabunga ;-)
Aug 30 15:12:55 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah sorry, IT wasn't in... missread
Aug 30 15:13:11 <DocScrutinizer05> read "I wasn't in..."
Aug 30 15:14:36 <DocScrutinizer05> tbh the terratec is a scam, it doesn't even have the IR RX mounted, and consequently comes without any IR-remote
Aug 30 15:14:56 <DocScrutinizer05> not that you could actually use that remote control under linux anyway
Aug 30 15:15:20 <DocScrutinizer05> but the logilink been cheaper and came with a remote control
Aug 30 15:15:52 <xes> so, DocScrutinizer05 have you choosed the key to try? Does it works?
Aug 30 15:16:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I didn't come around to try anything on N900 yet
Aug 30 15:16:20 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry
Aug 30 15:19:22 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130830_001.jpg
Aug 30 15:24:17 <xes> i have one key with e4000 and one with r820, both identical (from outside) and like this: http://www.ebay.it/itm/2013-Hotsale-Realtek-RTL2832U-R820T-DVB-T-Tuner-Receiver-MCX-Input-/251299020266?pt=AU_Components&hash=item3a8296bdea
Aug 30 16:00:54 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a shame how every single model of those rtl2832 keys is crippled from what it could be to something that's barely enough to do what it must do, for sole purpose of saving a 50ct on BOM
Aug 30 16:03:36 <DocScrutinizer05> better crystal, some pads to solder on RF-feed-thru and to daisychain clock, and particularly a LNA in RF-in, and that thing could rock 
Aug 30 16:04:37 <DocScrutinizer05> actually a phantom-feed for LNA in antenna would already help a lot
Aug 30 16:05:05 <DocScrutinizer05> could attach active GPS antenna then
Aug 30 16:13:55 <SpeedEvil> yeah - well - mass market
Aug 30 16:14:02 <SpeedEvil> they you go to things like the funcube dongle
Aug 30 16:14:07 <SpeedEvil> then
Aug 30 16:14:25 <SpeedEvil> intermod isn't pretty
Aug 30 16:27:46 <Win7Mac> freemangordon: Autobuilder got borked again?: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370626#post1370626
Aug 30 16:29:40 <Win7Mac> DocScrutinizer05, where did the maemo servers reside before the migration (which country)?
Aug 30 16:29:40 <Win7Mac> I just wanna give a correct answer here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370507#post1370507
Aug 30 16:30:44 <Win7Mac> migration #1 that is
Aug 30 16:32:01 <DocScrutinizer05> Win7Mac: answer been in this chan, see backscroll
Aug 30 16:32:35 <DocScrutinizer05> tmo not been part of "maemo.org", prior to migration#1
Aug 30 16:35:23 <Win7Mac> so the answer is Finland, except for tmo server, which was set up in USA?
Aug 30 16:45:42 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Aug 30 16:45:52 <entitled> perkele
Aug 30 16:46:05 <Win7Mac> ok, thanks
Aug 30 16:46:22 <DocScrutinizer05> gndlpfrmmmapf
Aug 30 16:46:30 <entitled> saatana!
Aug 30 16:47:01 <DocScrutinizer05> leberkaas
Aug 30 16:47:46 <entitled> ich bin NEIN berliner
Aug 30 16:47:52 <Win7Mac> and now BOTH servers reside at IPHH, right?
Aug 30 16:48:01 <DocScrutinizer05> du bist ein krapfen!
Aug 30 16:48:22 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, Win7Mac
Aug 30 16:48:39 <entitled> se on itte, joka ensiks haukkuu
Aug 30 17:13:01 <Win7Mac> would you agree?: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370685#post1370685
Aug 30 21:06:04 <xes> freemangordon: ping
Aug 30 21:08:01 <xes> compiling a package (gnuradio) that requires boost, with linaro gcc 4.7 i'm hanged in the same bug described here:  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=812728 
Aug 30 21:08:02 <povbot> 04Bug 812728: was not found.
Aug 30 21:42:26 <lexik> hi.. today ive tryed to repair my n900's broken usb.. failed :) its too tiny, tommorow im going to try another way.... but.... hell it is tiny :D
Aug 30 21:43:05 <lexik> and my solder is probably too big
Aug 30 21:44:04 <Win7Mac> your iron ;9...
Aug 30 21:45:21 <lexik> emm... yes :P
Aug 30 22:05:41 <DocScrutinizer05> you need a max 30W (or better electronically regulated) soldering iron with a pinpoint tip specially designed to solder SMT stuff
Aug 30 22:07:30 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: do you think we could organize a team to repair broken N900?
Aug 30 22:08:11 <RiD> speaking of broken n900s
Aug 30 22:08:44 <RiD> this one i recently got does not always detect when the usb is plugged in... hopefully when i solder it it'll be good
Aug 30 22:09:04 <DocScrutinizer05> and you should use proper strictly electronic activated resin flux, like http://uk.farnell.com/bonkote/bon102/flux-pen-7ml/dp/500896
Aug 30 22:09:06 <RiD> i don't need another n900 without a working usb
Aug 30 22:10:21 <DocScrutinizer05> not "recognizing" USB often happens due to some race condition *somewhere* in maemo system, either kernel or dbus or whatever
Aug 30 22:10:42 <RiD> it kinda seemed the usb fault, it was loosy already
Aug 30 22:10:49 <RiD> either way i'm not plugging in anything until it gets soldered
Aug 30 22:11:41 <DocScrutinizer05> if it isn't showing a behaviour of suddenly recognizing chager when you gently touch the USB plug, but reliably detects on replugging the plug, then you got no hw problem but usual software glitch
Aug 30 22:12:10 <RiD> idk, i'll just wait
Aug 30 22:12:53 <DocScrutinizer05> nothing bad with soldering down the USB to reinforce it. But don't touch the 5 electrical connectors if you're not sure it's needed
Aug 30 22:13:17 <RiD> i'm not gonna touch them... unless something goes seriously wrong
Aug 30 22:13:29 <iluminator105> where can i order a n900 strip
Aug 30 22:13:48 <lexik> DocScrutinizer05: thanx! i will try to buy similar soldering iron
Aug 30 22:14:54 <lexik> can high temperature destroy the n900 pcb?...
Aug 30 22:15:45 <iluminator105> where can i order a n900 strip?
Aug 30 22:25:09 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: I don't know how to organize such team
Aug 30 22:25:28 <DocScrutinizer05> lexik: sure
Aug 30 22:25:45 <DocScrutinizer05> iluminator105: strip?
Aug 30 22:26:31 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess you don't ask for a striptease?
Aug 30 22:26:46 <iluminator105> DocScrutinizer05, strip meaning when you move the keyboard connect keyboard to the motherboard
Aug 30 22:26:49 <lexik> Maemo, hmm SoGood
Aug 30 22:27:35 <lexik> striptease? you mean dissassembly
Aug 30 22:27:39 <DocScrutinizer05> iluminator105: sore, can't parse 
Aug 30 22:27:52 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry*
Aug 30 22:27:56 <xes> read "ribbon cable"
Aug 30 22:28:26 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh, a flexible board connector
Aug 30 22:28:41 <xes> (i suppose)
Aug 30 22:29:00 <iluminator105> is that what its called it connects the keyboard section with the other sectioin
Aug 30 22:29:56 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, the flexible board (or somesuch term) aka ribbon flex connector is the component that connects N900's two hlafs
Aug 30 22:30:43 <xes> this? http://www.ebay.it/itm/New-Ribbon-Flex-Cable-with-Camera-for-Nokia-N900-with-Tracking-number-/290736587540?pt=US_Cell_Phone_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item43b1404314
Aug 30 22:32:31 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.ebay.com/itm/290704781415?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Aug 30 22:32:44 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, ribbon flex cable
Aug 30 22:33:21 <xes> sometimes the most difficult part is search with the right terms
Aug 30 22:33:31 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Aug 30 22:34:26 <xes> spare parts for the N900 are slowly disappearing in the latest months
Aug 30 22:34:56 <xes> ..while the market of used n900 is filled with damaged phone
Aug 30 22:34:57 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod: that's why we need to speed up with Neo900
Aug 30 22:35:44 <DocScrutinizer05> a few specialized parts are already not available anymore, and even keymats get rare
Aug 30 22:37:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder if council should start a project to stash spare parts
Aug 30 22:37:57 <DocScrutinizer05> but in the end that would be too expensive and dead capital
Aug 30 22:39:38 <xes> a little internal store for spare parts with someone that could repair the phone would be a great survival insurance and service... Sure, i agree with the dead capital :-(
Aug 30 22:40:04 <xes> i'm building gnuradio 3.7.1.... Zzzz ...so slow...
Aug 30 22:40:24 <DocScrutinizer05> took like 2h+ for me
Aug 30 22:40:52 <xes> with scratchbox?
Aug 30 22:43:18 <xes> i have issues with linaro gcc 4.7.2... It can't compile the sources depending on libboost. It seems a known bug of 4.7. Now i'm trying with gcc 4.2.
Aug 30 22:46:05 <iluminator105> i have problem with my other laptop it boots to grub and is stuck at grub
Aug 30 22:47:27 <RiD> iluminator105 does your laptop run maemo? :D
Aug 30 22:47:36 <lexik> offtopic. >> #grub
Aug 30 22:48:12 <lexik> does your n900 use grub instead of uboot? :D
Aug 30 22:48:52 <iluminator105> n900 uses the default but  its broken
Aug 30 22:50:03 <lexik> what is broken? maemo is not booting?
Aug 30 22:51:17 <iluminator105> ribbon flex cable
Aug 30 22:52:08 <lexik> eeh..
Aug 30 22:52:39 <RiD> fix it? :P
Aug 30 23:02:20 <xes> ths could be interesting to order some spare part: http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts
Aug 30 23:02:40 <RiD> hmm
Aug 30 23:02:59 <RiD> according to that site i got 100€ worth of random stuff
Aug 30 23:03:23 <RiD> but i am tempted by the english keymat :\
Aug 30 23:04:26 <xes> they have some part that "china market" don't offer
Aug 30 23:06:24 <RiD> screws, lol
Aug 30 23:08:58 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: which ones? most of thenokiaparts.com is out of stock anyway
Aug 30 23:09:50 <xes> umpf :-( 
Aug 30 23:17:07 <DocScrutinizer05> RiD: english keymat? where?
Aug 30 23:17:15 <RiD> thenokiaparts it seems
Aug 30 23:17:27 <DocScrutinizer05> you're sure it's available?
Aug 30 23:17:30 <RiD> no idea if its in stock
Aug 30 23:17:59 <RiD> i dont even know how to add stuff to the shopping cart lol
Aug 30 23:18:03 <DocScrutinizer05> all out-of-stock items have same cryptic writing
Aug 30 23:18:26 <RiD> so everything is out of stock? lol
Aug 30 23:18:33 <RiD> ok actually not laughing
Aug 30 23:18:38 <RiD> more like crying
Aug 30 23:20:13 <DocScrutinizer05> seems I don't find anything I could order
Aug 30 23:20:22 <RiD> sad
Aug 30 23:24:20 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc, anyway check http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/product_search.php
Aug 30 23:24:28 <DocScrutinizer05> search for anything
Aug 30 23:25:34 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/31/plasma-desktopzR3743.png
Aug 30 23:26:58 <DocScrutinizer05> allegedly the screws for 4.00 are not "out of stock" but still I don't see how to order them
Aug 30 23:27:30 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc thenokiaparts.com refused to sell to non-commercial customers
Aug 30 23:28:39 <DocScrutinizer05> AAAH! http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900?page=1
Aug 30 23:29:19 <DocScrutinizer05> "Ei varastossa."
Aug 30 23:30:52 <RiD> :(
Aug 30 23:32:50 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900/n900-av-connector-5469246-   vs http://mobile-parts.com.gr/en/iieea/nokia-n86-conn-a-v-3-5mm-compress-short-original.html
Aug 30 23:34:40 <xes> klc is nokia parts (change the language with the flag)
Aug 30 23:34:41 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: btw, DSS supports HDMI ootb, maybe "you" should think about that fancy connector that integrates USB and HDMI
Aug 30 23:34:42 <DocScrutinizer05> you need to be smart (well a tiny bit) to find spare parts
Aug 30 23:35:20 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: it's not only the connector, we also would need the HDMI converter gear
Aug 30 23:35:44 <DocScrutinizer05> but yeah, might be worth it
Aug 30 23:35:53 <freemangordon> hmm? sorry, elaborate on the "gar" part
Aug 30 23:35:57 <freemangordon> *gear
Aug 30 23:36:01 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly the converter/driver chip is small and simple and cheap
Aug 30 23:36:16 <SpeedEvil> It is - fairly
Aug 30 23:36:19 <freemangordon> oh, you mean there should be some multiplexer?
Aug 30 23:36:46 <SpeedEvil> freemangordon: MHL/slimport are basically over the USB connector serialised (more) hdMI
Aug 30 23:36:53 <DocScrutinizer05> no, I mean ther should be some pin labeled "HDMI", SoC doesn't have
Aug 30 23:36:57 <LjL-Alps> MMHL?
Aug 30 23:36:58 <LjL-Alps> -M
Aug 30 23:37:01 <SpeedEvil> ah
Aug 30 23:37:41 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: omap dss supports hdme. ofc I have NFC how is the phisical iface implemented.
Aug 30 23:37:49 <freemangordon> *physical
Aug 30 23:38:04 <DocScrutinizer05> that's the point. You probably need a driver chip
Aug 30 23:38:13 <freemangordon> I see
Aug 30 23:38:34 <LjL-Alps> just when you thought MHL could have been a nice universal interface to connecting phones to screens, Samsung >S2 has a different cable (even though it still calls it "MHL"), and Nexus 4 uses something else called "MyDP"
Aug 30 23:38:40 * freemangordon is searching for MHL
Aug 30 23:39:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I think omap SoC supports AV rather without any external parts, just a resistor and a bead and capacitor, For HDMI though I think you need more than that
Aug 30 23:40:46 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: iirc HDMI is supported by the Soc without any extenal part. Maybe checking how it is done in BB will give us some idea
Aug 30 23:40:57 <freemangordon> parts even
Aug 30 23:41:10 <DocScrutinizer05> I looked into that for GTA03 S2440 or whatever the SoC
Aug 30 23:41:40 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: sure. I admit I have no link to BB schematics
Aug 30 23:41:44 <xes> ohh...i want a good old DB25 connector...something easy to solder and that we could use just like a docking station socket...... ;-)  remaining pins could stay unused for future purposes...
Aug 30 23:41:57 <xes> :-)
Aug 30 23:42:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and I'm simply too lazy to open and search the 3800pp OMAP TRM
Aug 30 23:42:08 <freemangordon> xes: DB25 for RS232? :P
Aug 30 23:42:44 <xes> yep... good old sockets 
Aug 30 23:43:14 <DocScrutinizer05> Centronics
Aug 30 23:43:22 <freemangordon> yeah :)
Aug 30 23:43:43 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather: SCSII
Aug 30 23:43:44 <freemangordon> you guys are old :D
Aug 30 23:43:50 <xes> so every human can solder that f** pins
Aug 30 23:44:21 <DocScrutinizer05> dman, those were awesome connectors, with I think 100 pins
Aug 30 23:44:54 <DocScrutinizer05> and a proper steel case
Aug 30 23:45:00 <DocScrutinizer05> and true locks
Aug 30 23:45:12 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: scsi? afaik some modern variant is still on the field
Aug 30 23:45:25 <DocScrutinizer05> *very* convenient, just the cables were awkward
Aug 30 23:45:34 <freemangordon> though... you know... SAS
Aug 30 23:45:56 <xes> but the car holder would be so easy...
Aug 30 23:47:03 <xes> have you tried to plug the micro usb while driving in the middle of traffic?? 
Aug 30 23:47:50 <freemangordon> xes: why should I? when I could do it before I start driving ;)
Aug 30 23:48:21 <DocScrutinizer05> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scsi-connectors.jpg
Aug 30 23:48:59 <xes> bah.. ok end of caos, please go ahead with technical serious points 
Aug 30 23:49:38 <xes> uops .. freemangordon: have you read my comments about linaro? News about the 4.8 version?
Aug 30 23:49:52 <LjL-Alps> i have a car holder for my Android phone, but it has no provision for easy plugging in of USB
Aug 30 23:49:55 <DocScrutinizer05> CN-50, so only 50 pins :-(
Aug 30 23:50:13 <LjL-Alps> although it's pretty nifty as the phone just neatly clicks in and out of it
Aug 30 23:50:35 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah I knew it - DEC: 68 pins
Aug 30 23:50:36 <freemangordon> xes: hmm, I read the post but obviously have missed that there are news. Going to reread it :)
Aug 30 23:51:25 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: is everything ok with warfare? I was changing the ISP these days, so I could've missed something.
Aug 30 23:51:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno, he's rather quite since his outtime
Aug 30 23:52:06 <xes> https://launchpad.net/linaro-toolchain/+announcements
Aug 30 23:52:09 <freemangordon> hmm.
Aug 30 23:52:57 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: (2h) for x86, no scratchbox
Aug 30 23:53:31 <freemangordon> xes: are there any cortex-a8 improvements? as all I have seen for the last year was a15 support/fixes
Aug 30 23:53:51 <freemangordon> xes: And I still don;t know how to build a toolchain for SB :(
Aug 30 23:54:13 <xes> who built the latest?
Aug 30 23:54:26 <freemangordon> zeq
Aug 30 23:55:20 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370626#post1370626
Aug 30 23:55:55 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: saw it, will take a look ASAP, I wa busy with the supl shit
Aug 30 23:56:01 * DocScrutinizer05 despises bug reports ending up in that thread
Aug 30 23:56:02 <freemangordon> *was
Aug 30 23:56:44 <freemangordon> though I am prety suspicious about the bug reports by that guy :)
Aug 30 23:57:04 <freemangordon> he is too much of a hacker
Aug 30 23:58:59 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: in that regard - did anyone contact the ex-nokian ex-debmaster guy?
Aug 31 00:28:46 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: I don't know
Aug 31 00:30:14 <Mike11> hey people :)
Aug 31 00:30:15 <Mike11> I have a Nokia n900 phone, I am trying to compile a simple hello world c program
Aug 31 00:30:15 <Mike11> I intalled gcc-4.6 package using "apt-get install gcc-4.6"
Aug 31 00:30:35 <Mike11> but whenver I try to compile, it says:
Aug 31 00:31:02 <DocScrutinizer05> out of memory
Aug 31 00:31:16 <Mike11> gcc-4.6: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory
Aug 31 00:32:13 <DocScrutinizer05> you're not supposed to install gcc and related binutils and libs needed to form a working build environment, on N900 rootfs
Aug 31 00:32:31 <Mike11> where should I intall that??
Aug 31 00:32:37 <Mike11> install*
Aug 31 00:32:44 <Mike11> I used apt-get
Aug 31 00:33:37 <DocScrutinizer05> basically development on target platform isn't supported. some hackers achieved to do it nevertheless, but they usually use a chroot to some more beefy location on device
Aug 31 00:33:58 <DocScrutinizer05> check out easidebian
Aug 31 00:34:02 <DocScrutinizer05> easy* even
Aug 31 00:34:17 <Mike11> then what is the gcc-4.6 I installed for??
Aug 31 00:34:30 <Mike11> I thought it was for on-device development!
Aug 31 00:34:45 <DocScrutinizer05> the recommended way to develop for maemo is on PC in a scratchbox environment
Aug 31 00:35:16 <Mike11> thanks DocScrutinizer05:
Aug 31 00:35:44 <RiD> isn't this the weirdo ^
Aug 31 00:35:55 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5
Aug 31 00:36:14 <ShadowJK> build?dash?essential?
Aug 31 00:36:16 <Mike11> does easydebian come with a compiler??
Aug 31 00:36:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ooops
Aug 31 00:36:39 <Mike11> sorry, I am new to n900 :(
Aug 31 00:37:42 <DocScrutinizer05> damn, that's some nice mess on maemo.org
Aug 31 00:37:57 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ is more like it but it links to nokia.com
Aug 31 00:39:10 <Mike11> DocScrutinizer05: I am wondering what the gcc-4.6 package is for??!?!
Aug 31 00:39:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide  here you are
Aug 31 00:40:59 <DocScrutinizer05> somebody seriously should clean up that stuff, even I - while knowing what I looked for - wasn't able to find my way
Aug 31 00:41:53 <Mike11> do u recommend maemo sdk on the link on nokia.com??
Aug 31 00:44:05 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK
Aug 31 00:45:09 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation
Aug 31 00:46:11 <DocScrutinizer05> Mike11: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK#Writing_GUI_Hello_World
Aug 31 00:47:34 <Mike11> DocScrutinizer05: thanks for your help :), that link is really helpful :)
Aug 31 00:48:14 <Mike11> DocScrutinizer05: Just Missing what the gcc-4.6 package I installed use for??
Aug 31 00:48:43 <Mike11> DocScrutinizer05: If it can't compile, then what is it used for!!
Aug 31 00:49:09 <DocScrutinizer05> you for sure *can* compile, you just need to know _how_
Aug 31 00:50:39 <Mike11> I read that I have to configure gcc to the directory 'as' is located in
Aug 31 00:50:43 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd rather wonder what for we got an asterisk package. I wouldn't think it's really reasonable idea to run a VoIP server on the N900
Aug 31 00:50:51 <Mike11> 'as' is the assembler that gcc uses
Aug 31 00:51:00 <Mike11> as I could understand
Aug 31 00:51:07 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Aug 31 00:51:38 <Mike11> they suggested using "whereis" linux command to look for 'as'
Aug 31 00:51:49 <Mike11> but whereis isn't available on n900
Aug 31 00:52:01 <Mike11> so how can I locate 'as'??!
Aug 31 00:52:39 <Mike11> lol haven't seen the asterisk package before, haha :)
Aug 31 00:53:28 <DocScrutinizer05> you probably shouldn't consider running gcc on N900 until you made more familiar with maemo, maemo SDK, and linux in general
Aug 31 00:54:18 <Mike11> Ok, thanks for your help DocScrutinizer05: I will work on that :)
Aug 31 00:54:25 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Aug 31 00:55:29 <DocScrutinizer05> also check out "madde", I don't know if it works, but...
Aug 31 00:55:51 <DocScrutinizer05> if it works then maybe it's more convenient for maemo beginners than scratchbox
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