**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 31 02:59:58 2013 Aug 31 04:21:38 hm Aug 31 04:21:58 is there some sort of problem with the omweather auto updating? Aug 31 04:37:33 hi Aug 31 11:28:11 DocScrutinizer05: the more I think, the more I am convinced that Neo900 should use the main camera from N900. The reason being the SW part - I am almost sure we won;t be able to be on par with Nokia image processing algos. Or at least I don;t see who can make that happen in the community Aug 31 11:46:35 freemangordon, mean swapping the cameras with old cameras from discarded N900's? maybe the camera is the same part as the N95? That could provide more stock Aug 31 11:49:56 freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05 http://www.pds.com.gr/index.asp?mod=eshop_item&ID=51&p=10315 Aug 31 11:50:58 it's out of stock but look at how many phones had this same camera, should be easy to find them Aug 31 11:52:23 also http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/original-nokia-n82-8230p.html Aug 31 11:52:35 this one claims to have it in stock Aug 31 11:56:01 qwazix: no matter if using old or new, I am really concerned about the quality of images/videos if neo900 is using a different module Aug 31 11:57:34 freemangordon, isn't FCam a full replacement for the N900 camera stack? or only part of it? Aug 31 11:57:38 :nod: Aug 31 11:57:46 this also: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Nokia-N95-Camera-5-Megapixel-Flex-Cable-UK-/290698886117?pt=UK_Mobiles_Accessories_RL&hash=item43af00fbe5 Aug 31 11:58:18 I remember the N900 camera sitting directly on the board without flex cable, but the connectors might well be behind that alu part... Aug 31 11:58:24 LjL-Alps_: we have a closed daemon, omapcamd (or something) which does all the image processing Aug 31 11:58:34 afaik Aug 31 11:59:06 NFC if fcam drivers replace that Aug 31 11:59:26 i don't really know either, but in the About it says "a fully open source camera implementation" Aug 31 11:59:53 could be Aug 31 12:00:03 but is is still made for n900 camera Aug 31 12:00:07 *it is Aug 31 12:00:41 well sure, but it shows they could make a respectable open source implementation, even with HDR and stuff Aug 31 12:01:02 "could" is not the same as "will" Aug 31 12:02:23 well, i'd personally rather have something fully open that i know i could try improving myself, or that there's no hindrances to improving anyway, over something "working" but that can't be touched... but i guess that's just a small part of the main issue i'd have with the Neo900 Aug 31 12:18:55 freemangordon: (sw img algos) absolutely Aug 31 12:20:06 * RST38h moos Aug 31 12:20:10 qwazix: yeah, 60EUR :-S Aug 31 12:22:55 I *think* I've seen it for ~50EUR too. But that will add almost 100EUR to the end price Aug 31 12:23:11 since we also need the socket Aug 31 12:24:59 I found much cheaper N95 camera modules, I just posted that as a reference to a claim that N95camera == N900 camera Aug 31 12:25:06 for example this -> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kamera-Camera-Cam-Modul-Kameramodul-Linse-Lens-fur-Nokia-N95-N82-N95-8GB-/170776642949?pt=DE_Handy_Organizer_Ersatzteile_Werkzeuge&hash=item27c314c585 Aug 31 12:25:57 Doc: Anything new and exciting? Aug 31 12:26:17 back spine hurts Aug 31 12:26:27 doesn't sound exciting :P Aug 31 12:28:50 3% storage in repo VM Aug 31 12:29:29 200 votes on Aug 31 12:29:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 Aug 31 12:29:34 DocScrutinizer05: hmm? echan? Aug 31 12:29:55 not really, RST38h asked for new stuff that excites me Aug 31 12:30:08 or even http://www.ebay.com/itm/Camera-Part-For-NOKIA-N95-Replacement-/280966345953?pt=US_Cell_Phone_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item416ae634e1 Aug 31 12:30:15 and I stop spamming the channel Aug 31 12:30:24 nah, welcome Aug 31 12:30:49 it's obviously compatible to N95 etc pp according to your 1st post Aug 31 12:31:02 now THAT is good news Aug 31 12:31:11 except if that site has it all wrong, which I doubt Aug 31 12:31:43 as all specs are the same, sample pics look exactly the same and size is about the same (IIRC) Aug 31 12:32:19 the only difference is the flex cable, which we might be able to just remove Aug 31 12:43:44 Doc: You do recognize that it is a futile affair? Aug 31 12:46:08 Also, 600 euros for an OMAP3 motherboard with 512MB RAM? Aug 31 12:46:28 May I suggest a shiny brand new Samsung instead? =) Aug 31 12:46:55 truth, it is more than my monthly pay Aug 31 12:47:05 RST38h: and then 1600 euros? ;] Aug 31 12:51:54 dos1: 1600e for what? Aug 31 12:52:18 RST38h: for a Neo900 with shiny brand new Samsung chipsets Aug 31 13:09:58 dos1: You can write "Neo900" on the back of that Samsung Galaxy with a market, if you like so Aug 31 13:10:08 s/market/marker/ Aug 31 13:10:09 RST38h meant: dos1: You can write "Neo900" on the back of that Samsung Galaxy with a marker, if you like so Aug 31 13:10:19 RST38h: so you think Samsung Galaxy is an open platform? Aug 31 13:10:29 And run Ubuntu Mobile or Firefox OS or whatever Aug 31 13:10:43 dos1: It is open enough for people to release their own firmware for it Aug 31 13:11:30 can I see schematics? can I replace bootloader? can I request additional contact pads from Samsung to make my awesome hardware mod easier? Aug 31 13:12:01 RST38h: yeah, "own firmware". On top of Android. Aug 31 13:13:18 dunno about schematics (but suspect that you will find them in the Exynos datasheet), but yes, you can apparently replace the bootloader Aug 31 13:13:54 I think you can also request additional GPIO bits from Samsung, as long as you buy 100000-20000 SoC chips from them Aug 31 13:14:08 Pretty much the same applied to TI when you buy OMAP3 (used in Neo900) Aug 31 13:15:07 * RST38h starts suspecting the "open platform" thing is some kind of fetish defined differently by different people Aug 31 13:15:24 how do you find the N900's earphones? Aug 31 13:16:44 RST38h: open platform is something where I don't have to break any security in order to do what I want Aug 31 13:17:01 where you can't loose your warrianty for just playing with software Aug 31 13:17:06 RST38h: just because there is currently no open platform phone, doesn't mean it's so hard to define Aug 31 13:17:28 where "jailbreaking" does not exist Aug 31 13:17:47 and where the firmware blobs come with source Aug 31 13:18:07 and as far as Linux is concerned, where sane kernel is provided Aug 31 13:18:39 LjL-Alps: I'm a bit more liberal on firmware blobs, as soon as they don't run on main AP and chips that they run on don't have access to main RAM Aug 31 13:18:49 warranty aside, though i think some Samsung Galaxies are about as open as the N900... Aug 31 13:19:07 dos1: even then, if the firmware blob isn't even redistributable, that's a problem Aug 31 13:19:22 LjL-Alps: oh, yeah, of course redistribution rights is crucial Aug 31 13:19:29 s/is/are/ Aug 31 13:19:29 dos1 meant: LjL-Alps: oh, yeah, of course redaretribution rights is crucial Aug 31 13:19:34 hah :D Aug 31 13:20:15 LjL: I can define anything, including flying kittens Aug 31 13:20:27 LjL: Not everything I define will exist in practice Aug 31 13:20:32 does Galaxy phones use Qualcomm modems? Aug 31 13:20:42 dos1: Some do, not all though Aug 31 13:21:11 dos1: the latest (S4) maybe, but the ones i'm looking at are the Galaxy Nexus, the Galaxy S2 and Galaxy S3; the former uses OMAP4, the latter two use Exynos 4 Aug 31 13:21:35 dos1: they're three phones supported by http://replicant.us/ so you can have a look at their wiki about how open they are/aren't Aug 31 13:24:42 dos1 infobot failed Aug 31 13:24:50 redaretribution Aug 31 13:27:02 RST38h: GTA02 is completely open platform, I'd like other phones to be on this level Aug 31 13:27:26 GTA04 has non-free firmware for WiFi, but I can live with that Aug 31 13:27:36 dos1: you can even run an OsmocomBB baseband on GTA02, can't you? Aug 31 13:27:49 (not sure how legally) Aug 31 13:28:04 LjL-Alps: yup (technically, doing it legally is completely different story :P) Aug 31 13:29:10 if you have your own lab with BTSes and you'll use OsmocomBB to connect only to your own network, then you're fine Aug 31 13:29:19 but I think you'd still need permission to set up such lab :P Aug 31 13:29:50 Hi guys, i've got troubles during update Aug 31 13:30:11 There's a midnight commander update, my handset wants to install to Aug 31 13:30:53 dos1: i recently learned that WiMax would have been much opener than LTE :( Aug 31 13:32:36 dos1: GTA02 is based on an OMAP chip from TI. Good luck changing any part of its design :) Aug 31 13:33:07 dos1: Moreover, that OMAP chip contains PowerVR IP from Imagetech. Try getting documentation on that IP :) Aug 31 13:33:51 dos1: So, every time you say "completely open platform" to someone, do carefully check how much that person knows. Aug 31 13:37:06 RST38h: uhm... noone is talking about changing design of SoC itself Aug 31 13:37:39 Dind't someone ask for new contact pads just now? Aug 31 13:37:59 RST38h: GTA02 is based on Samsung S3C2442 Aug 31 13:38:13 And not having any information on PowerVR basically prohbitsyou from having any open sourced 3D driver Aug 31 13:38:32 dos1: And that obviously makes it more open?:) Aug 31 13:39:20 RST38h: not "more open", but it is open Aug 31 13:39:52 the 3D driver thing is annoyin Aug 31 13:39:54 g Aug 31 13:40:00 developing free CPU design is definitely out of Openmoko/OpenPhoenux/Neo900 scope Aug 31 13:40:18 but using CPU that's free to use in any way you like is requirement for those projects Aug 31 13:40:51 should use FPGA :P Aug 31 13:40:57 DocScrutinizer05: Hi, i've got some problem, can you assist ? If i run apt-get upgrade, it says i have several packages to upgrade http://fpaste.org/36237/56340137/ (yea yea, i'm not going to run apt-get) , if i run Hildon app manager it says i need to upgrade only 'mc' Aug 31 13:41:09 closed GPU may be there, as long as you're not required to use closed drivers just to be able to use the phone Aug 31 13:41:41 GTA04 works perfectly fine without acceleration Aug 31 13:41:48 XATRIX: apt-get upgrade is *DEPRECATED* Aug 31 13:42:03 yeah but modern OS's do kind of all use acceleration Aug 31 13:42:04 Ok Aug 31 13:42:25 and that's exactly why Aug 31 13:43:11 LjL-Alps: enlightenment works well without it, and when configured properly can provide pretty nice user experience Aug 31 13:43:42 LjL-Alps: but yes, for running Fremantle you'll need closed GPU driver, just like on N900 Aug 31 13:44:32 dos1: well, for Mali400, there is an open GPU driver in development... which i understand already does some real 3D stuff Aug 31 13:45:31 LjL-Alps: then it might be good to think about using it for next project Aug 31 13:48:10 but I'm not good person to discuss this kind of stuff :) I barely know anything about all those chipsets Aug 31 13:50:59 DocScrutinizer05: i tried to upgrade my 'mc' using FAM and got the following in it's log http://www.fpaste.org/36238/77957008/ Aug 31 13:51:22 I won't check fapman logs Aug 31 13:51:33 fapman is... you guessed it Aug 31 13:52:00 deprecated Aug 31 13:53:22 Yeap Aug 31 13:53:42 how shoud i paste HAM logs ? Aug 31 13:53:47 where can i get it ? Aug 31 13:53:58 HAM says the same crap, it can't install upgrade for Aug 31 14:07:26 XATRIX, there's log in HAM too, check the menu Aug 31 14:39:38 XATRIX: we need logs, then we check if sth is wronf with repo. Might be some dependency missing (e.g. known problem with BM) Aug 31 14:39:59 I'm trying Aug 31 14:40:06 where the log files for HAM are ? Aug 31 14:40:20 XATRIX: mc was missing a dependency Aug 31 14:40:28 yeap Aug 31 14:40:30 slang Aug 31 14:40:31 libslang2 Aug 31 14:40:43 it is (should be) in the repo now Aug 31 14:41:35 XATRIX: try to install it now, don;t forget to refresh first Aug 31 14:41:45 k Aug 31 14:46:07 Pali: you didn;t vote for KP :P Aug 31 14:46:29 still missing more then 1 vote :-) Aug 31 14:46:46 and all KP packages must be promoted at same time Aug 31 14:46:52 noone wants to vote for KP ?!? Aug 31 14:47:10 Pali: promotion does't wotk like that ;) Aug 31 14:47:15 *work Aug 31 14:47:33 wait, I will vote :-) Aug 31 14:47:42 when you promote a package, all the dependencies are auto-promoted too Aug 31 14:48:15 or was it all the packages with the same source Aug 31 14:48:20 or both Aug 31 14:49:27 Pali: if noone is interested in KP, I guess we can just stop maintainig it :P Aug 31 14:50:10 so far only flasher has enough votes Aug 31 14:50:32 now bootimg has too Aug 31 14:50:38 ok Aug 31 14:50:59 hmm, I am not a maintainer of bootimg? O.o Aug 31 14:51:08 modules 4 votes missing and kernel-power only one Aug 31 14:51:34 Pali: those will get auto-promoted to extras if you promote bootimg Aug 31 14:51:44 as it depends on them Aug 31 14:51:56 so, I can try to promote bootimg now? Aug 31 14:52:00 yep Aug 31 14:52:27 it depends on kernel-power-modules, which depends on kernel-power Aug 31 14:52:31 package bootimg promoted Aug 31 14:52:42 so we will see what happen :-) Aug 31 14:52:53 int about 20-30 minutes Aug 31 14:53:31 *in Aug 31 14:55:27 Pali: any hint how to debug the problem I have with my BT HF and device volume? Aug 31 14:55:53 which problem? Aug 31 14:55:56 avary time I have a phone call, the volume drops to 0. Not HF volume, but device volume Aug 31 14:55:59 *every Aug 31 14:56:12 I told you about that a couple of months ago Aug 31 14:56:40 can you try if this problem is also on clean PR1.3.1 (without CSSU?) Aug 31 14:57:06 Pali: I reverted the policy package to stock, didn;t help Aug 31 14:57:23 now I see similar problem (do not know if is is PA/maemo or device) that volume is at min Aug 31 14:57:29 exactly Aug 31 14:57:30 and I need to up Aug 31 14:57:35 yep Aug 31 14:57:38 but only sometimes... Aug 31 14:57:41 yep Aug 31 14:57:56 this is my problem :) Aug 31 14:58:37 also in HFP mode (where is MIC support), volume is shared via bluetooth and device can mute or change pulseaudio/alsa volume Aug 31 14:59:06 in A2DP mode (without microphone), device has own volume level and n900 pa/alsa own Aug 31 14:59:42 hmm, can't we disable that? Aug 31 15:00:03 HF controling n900 volume that is Aug 31 15:00:09 and now when I using my headset also with notebook, maybe notebook can mute it and when I connect it again to n900 it share volume and show muted Aug 31 15:00:44 "sharing" this volume level is by HFP profile design... Aug 31 15:00:48 Pali: maybe my HF mutes n900 on incomming call, but doesn;t unmute it back after call ended Aug 31 15:01:01 and I looked into PA it is not easy to remove it (or insert another volume filter) Aug 31 15:01:06 or we have a bug preventing unmutting to happen Aug 31 15:01:44 n900/pa/policy somehow switching between A2DP and HFP modes based on active call Aug 31 15:01:56 and both modes has own volume level settings Aug 31 15:02:13 plus there are tons of PA/alsa/dres/policy/prolog code Aug 31 15:02:34 and it is impossible to detect where can be problem... Aug 31 15:03:04 Pali: oh, nothing is impossible, just give me some hint how to turn some logs on Aug 31 15:03:11 this bug drives me mad Aug 31 15:03:22 freemangordon: you can try: use headset only with n900 and set correct volume level on headset and also in hildon status menu Aug 31 15:03:33 in both silent/normal profiles Aug 31 15:03:42 and also when call is active/inactive Aug 31 15:03:55 and do it in all possible combination Aug 31 15:03:58 hmm Aug 31 15:04:04 ok, will try Aug 31 15:04:23 I think that I solved my problem (maybe!) with above Aug 31 15:04:34 I will see that happen in next call :-) Aug 31 15:05:18 at least I saw that switching between normal and silent profile mute sound output when headset was connected and reconnected... Aug 31 15:06:01 yeah, the same happened here Aug 31 15:06:54 but it happens the same in normal profile :( Aug 31 15:07:40 volume is set to min on every connect/disconnect Aug 31 15:07:49 freemangordon: updated catalogs, and tried to update 'mc' again Aug 31 15:07:52 but still no go Aug 31 15:08:19 I think that there can be problem in bluez which can send some funny commands (or receive from) bluetooth device Aug 31 15:08:35 and maybe new version of bluez has better support for these funny... Aug 31 15:09:39 XATRIX: http://pastebin.com/qbhPU7eS Aug 31 15:09:55 Pali: while playing with the sdr i tried many times the usbmode switch applet... but i have to say that most of times it doesn't work remaining "in progress" forever Aug 31 15:10:09 Doc told me not to use apt-get Aug 31 15:10:12 Pali: do you remember how to turn bluez logging on? Aug 31 15:10:21 no :-( Aug 31 15:10:26 XATRIX: I am not saying you should use apt-get Aug 31 15:10:56 the point is that it installs just fine, make sure you did a "refresh" Aug 31 15:15:21 Pali: http://pastebin.com/VidTfbsK Aug 31 15:15:36 Aug 31 18:14:57 Nokia-N900 pulseaudio[992]: module-rescue-streams.c: Failed to move sink input 70 "output of sink.voice.raw" to sink.music. Aug 31 15:15:48 whatever that means Aug 31 15:16:09 freemangordon: try to downgrade bluez and pa to pr1.3.1 version Aug 31 15:16:12 Aug 31 18:15:19 Nokia-N900 bluetoothd[1208]: Badly formated or unrecognized command: AT+XAPL=0A5C-0064-00DE,7 Aug 31 15:16:12 Aug 31 18:15:19 Nokia-N900 bluetoothd[1208]: Badly formated or unrecognized command: AT+XEVENT=USER-AGENT,COM.PLANTRONICS,PLT_M25-M29,,222.233,FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF Aug 31 15:16:23 hmm, my bluez is stock afaik Aug 31 15:16:26 these are that funny commands :D Aug 31 15:16:37 yeah :) Aug 31 15:17:10 ii bluez 4.60-0maemo1.6+0m5 Bluetooth tools and daemons Aug 31 15:17:35 so freemangordon, i'm on CSSU-S. if i follow the 'manual' method to fix SUPL issues, is it going to be 'easy' to revert them to original, so that i can upgrade once your patch is available on CSSU-S too? Aug 31 15:17:54 Pali: could the problem be in that additional PA bluez module? Aug 31 15:18:09 Sicelo: better install from cssu-devel Aug 31 15:18:25 Sicelo: otherwise you risk brocen certificates store Aug 31 15:18:29 *broke Aug 31 15:18:33 argh Aug 31 15:18:36 is there some additional PA bluez module? Aug 31 15:18:37 BROKEN Aug 31 15:18:41 Pali: in cssu Aug 31 15:18:54 PA Aug 31 15:18:54 from CSSU-D into CSSU-S? or wait until CSSU-S has fix? Aug 31 15:19:06 yes, there is something, so I suggested to downgrade pa and bluez :-) Aug 31 15:19:40 Sicelo: up to you, but my idea was - enable cssu-devel, install certman packages, disable cssu-devel Aug 31 15:19:48 thanx Aug 31 15:19:55 Pali: I guess I can just remove that module Aug 31 15:20:08 ok Aug 31 15:20:56 gitorious got FUBAR :( Aug 31 15:38:42 freemangordon: what is the repository of your mc ? Aug 31 15:38:50 Looks like i have no your repo installed Aug 31 15:39:14 sounds if i have only 'extras , community, fremantle' Aug 31 15:39:34 XATRIX: extras-devel :) Aug 31 15:39:55 hmm Aug 31 15:46:06 freemangordon: hmm, no luck for me.. http://paste.debian.net/32827/ Aug 31 15:46:50 same instructions apply: "enable cssu-devel, install certman packages, disable cssu-devel", just replace cssu-devel by extras-devel, and certman by mc ;-) Aug 31 15:47:48 h-slp.mnc001.mcc655.pub.3gppnetwork.org:7275 ?? wtf? Aug 31 15:48:26 exactly.. don't know where that comes from. Aug 31 15:48:38 but 655:01 is my provider. Aug 31 15:48:54 HAH Aug 31 15:49:01 that's pretty weird Aug 31 15:49:01 however, i'm connected via wifi Aug 31 15:49:23 ~gsm-agps Aug 31 15:49:24 i guess rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP Aug 31 15:49:26 ?? Aug 31 15:49:44 i did think of that.. and the other one.. ACWP; is it? Aug 31 15:50:23 Sicelo: did you reboot? Aug 31 15:50:32 here you can see that the 'updated' certman stuff is on: http://paste.debian.net/32832/ Aug 31 15:50:39 yes freemangordon, twice now Aug 31 15:50:56 Sicelo: maemosec-certman-common-ca 0.2.2 Aug 31 15:51:03 maemosec-certman-tools 0.2.3 Aug 31 15:51:05 ;) Aug 31 15:51:29 you should upgrade maemosec-certman-common-ca too Aug 31 15:51:35 haha Aug 31 15:52:16 now if every bug was that easy to fix ;-) Aug 31 15:52:24 ok. so if i was to do this via dpkg, how many pkgs do i need? 3, 4! Aug 31 15:52:26 ? Aug 31 15:52:46 Sicelo: I'd bet on 3 Aug 31 15:53:13 hmm, guess 4 :P because 3 updated last time :P Aug 31 15:53:18 still wtf about that h-slp.mnc001.mcc655.pub.3gppnetwork.org:7275 Aug 31 15:53:24 ok. let's see what happens now Aug 31 15:53:40 DocScrutinizer05: this is MNO supl server Aug 31 15:53:47 mhm Aug 31 15:53:58 afk, bbl Aug 31 15:54:42 Sicelo: which 3 got updatted? Aug 31 15:54:52 *updated Aug 31 15:57:09 all those on 0.2.3, ie libmaemosec-certman, libmaemosec, and maemosec-certman-tools Aug 31 15:57:21 rebooting now Aug 31 15:57:46 ok. 4 then :) Aug 31 16:01:43 ok. now it's working. thanks Aug 31 16:01:45 :) Aug 31 16:02:49 and now there's no lookup for that h-slp.mnc001.mcc655.pub.3gppnetwork.org:7275 Aug 31 16:03:57 * Sicelo has never cared for gps until recently (due to obtaining a car) Aug 31 16:06:32 anyway, one thing for sure, N900 GPS is NOT in any way inferior to what is on other devices out there, especially when both devices don't have access to A-GPS Aug 31 16:12:07 months of using plain gps prove it :) Aug 31 17:26:51 I feel dirty Aug 31 17:27:05 I wrote a script which pulls a package from easy_install and makes an RPM out of it. Aug 31 17:27:24 Shortest .spec file I ever wrote. Aug 31 17:34:59 teotwaki: you mean pypi? Aug 31 18:27:54 Sicelo: ack Aug 31 18:39:54 I have a weird problem with my N9: at my parents' house I don't see the wifi netwerk anymore Aug 31 18:40:01 all other devices in the house have no problems Aug 31 18:40:11 marsje: a reboot can help. Aug 31 18:40:12 but when I scan for networks, I see all of the networks in the street, except this one I need Aug 31 18:40:29 warfare: both router and phone have been rebooted multiple times Aug 31 18:40:41 it's like the network is on some blacklist Aug 31 18:41:42 -> #harmattan, i guess. Aug 31 18:42:01 marsje: hrhm. Aug 31 18:42:04 that network isn't using SSID-hiding ? Aug 31 18:42:37 Sicelo: nope, it broadcasts the SSID and other (android) devices see the network just fine Aug 31 19:07:35 anyway, see /topic Aug 31 19:09:07 how do i see /topic? is there a command? Aug 31 19:09:07 * LjL-Alps hides Aug 31 19:09:28 /topic Aug 31 19:09:34 try ^^^ this! Aug 31 19:09:46 ooooh! Aug 31 19:10:14 if your IRC client is of the crippled kind that doesn't show channel topics without your explicit interaction Aug 31 19:10:50 DocScrutinizer05, i'm using irssi, which is part one way, and part the other (shows only a part of a longer-than-one-line topic), but... i hate it Aug 31 19:11:06 IRC isn't meant to be command-line anyway Aug 31 19:11:15 err, by command-line i mean textmode Aug 31 19:11:23 huh? Aug 31 19:11:32 IRC is *so* suited to a GUI approach Aug 31 19:11:39 ack Aug 31 19:11:53 that's why I use IRC clinets ;-) Aug 31 19:11:59 clients even Aug 31 19:12:15 I don't actually call IRSII an IRC client Aug 31 19:12:24 well maybe that's a bit rad :P Aug 31 19:12:24 it's an IRC tool ;-) Aug 31 19:12:29 i normally use Konversation anyway Aug 31 19:12:37 same here Aug 31 19:12:44 which is slow as hell and locks up and isn't even scriptable, but it's what i use Aug 31 19:13:14 slow? no. Locks? no. Not scriptable? well, mostly Aug 31 19:13:20 which sucks Aug 31 19:13:38 LjL-Alps: youy use 800x600 resolution? Aug 31 19:13:50 I still managed to "script" relogon to avoid nick changes Aug 31 19:14:13 DocScrutinizer05: yeah well i should try killing its settings or something, as other people too have told me it's not really slow or freezing for them. but maybe they don't tend to keep about 100 channels open (among which the ones for the major distros) either ;( Aug 31 19:14:22 Sicelo: err no why Aug 31 19:14:40 well, only ~40 here Aug 31 19:14:58 admittedly incl queries Aug 31 19:15:31 DocScrutinizer05: i dunno. for instance when i ctrl+f on any window that has a long-ish scrollback, that's slower than a person can bear. about 5 seconds per letter typed Aug 31 19:15:45 and yeah, it tends to become a RAM hog after some weeks of uptime, and that *might* cause lags when you run into swap hell Aug 31 19:16:02 duh Aug 31 19:16:11 swap mhell, I'd bet Aug 31 19:16:13 oh it's not that, i reboot my computer daily Aug 31 19:16:22 (and have 8GB of RAM) Aug 31 19:16:23 then I dunno Aug 31 19:16:56 well i should investigate it once i get back home. been like this for years Aug 31 19:17:05 I have max setting for scrollback, and ctrl-f is instant Aug 31 19:17:15 i'm one of those people who seemingly prefers to have 1 unit of annoyance every day for 10 years, than 10 units of annoyance, once. Aug 31 19:17:38 (meaning the 10 units it takes to actually investigate a problem/nuisance) Aug 31 19:18:35 like, at some point someone convinced me to add a "bouncing ball" widget to KDE to confirm it was bugged and wasn't removable Aug 31 19:18:38 well, i've never removed this Aug 31 19:18:46 this happened about 1.5 years ago... Aug 31 19:19:04 have a red bouncing ball distracting me on the screen since Aug 31 19:19:12 LOL Aug 31 19:19:27 I know this problem all too well Aug 31 19:20:19 but honestly, konversation 1.4 on KDE4.8.5 just behaves Aug 31 19:20:42 it's a bit braindamaged but otherwise just works Aug 31 19:21:47 maybe you have that akonadi or nepomuk shit running, then I'd understand that everything comes to a grinding halt Aug 31 19:22:18 i don't think it's too braindamaged actually... it manages to do mostly all i want neatly, *even though* it isn't scriptable. i think it shows the people who wrote it were actually using it Aug 31 19:22:33 it mist likely indexes every char you type, to a mysql db for faster searching, while you type it Aug 31 19:22:34 oh i have some tracker like that or other annoying me, but i just killall it as needed ;( Aug 31 19:22:39 most, even Aug 31 19:23:34 what bugs me with konversation is the missing search in userlist Aug 31 19:24:11 and the weird notification lobotomy Aug 31 19:25:12 and the fact that you don't have a per-channel hide of join/part/nick Aug 31 19:25:22 only global one Aug 31 19:26:07 xchat is much better in that regard Aug 31 19:27:05 but I didn't manage to give xchat on PC a thorough test Aug 31 19:27:22 poor KDE integration Aug 31 19:27:58 hmm yeah i'm kind of partial to... not even KDE really - just, if i'm using KDE, then i'd like to use KDE programs on it. if i were using GNOME, i'd probably like to use GNOME programs on it. Aug 31 19:28:04 otherwise i might as well run mIRC on WINE or something ;( Aug 31 19:47:45 hi, how can I use irda to simply transfer text from Thinkpad T41 to N900? Aug 31 19:48:26 i dont think n900 supports irda... try usb or wifi Aug 31 19:49:37 :-( Aug 31 19:50:12 yeah i believe the N900 only has Consumer IR (i.e. it transmits only, can't receive, so can't implement IRDA) Aug 31 19:50:26 ok Aug 31 19:51:20 Hi, i've enabled extras-devel and currently i have 'Maemo 5 Community SSU Package' update available Aug 31 19:51:26 When i click update it Aug 31 19:52:16 I receive something like, "If you want to update this version you have to connect your phone to PC and rn Nokia PC Suite" Aug 31 19:53:09 XATRIX: you have some dependency problem Aug 31 19:53:17 yea Aug 31 19:53:25 could you check logs? Aug 31 20:27:24 which one ? Aug 31 20:31:20 HAM Aug 31 21:14:29 DocScrutinizer05: don't see anything unusual Aug 31 21:20:13 hmm? Aug 31 21:20:45 i mean, i can't find anything related to CSSU Package Aug 31 21:20:47 when you get the message "please use Nokia PC suite" then you must have a tab labeled "problems" or sth like that Aug 31 21:21:21 and you got a menu entry in HAM that's called "logs" or similar Aug 31 21:21:37 you even can save logs to a file, to pastebin them Aug 31 21:23:02 sure, i can Aug 31 21:23:09 but there's nothing in about CSSU update Aug 31 21:23:16 no mention Aug 31 21:24:12 if there's some problem with some library needing specific version of some other library which cannot be installed due to conflict with another library, why would there be CSSU mentioned? Aug 31 21:25:00 alright, give me a sec Aug 31 21:25:44 http://fpaste.org/36292/84336137/ Aug 31 21:25:50 that's the last one lines Aug 31 21:25:57 from the end of the list Aug 31 22:23:44 ?? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370984#post1370984 Aug 31 22:24:20 ?? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370993#post1370993 Aug 31 22:24:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370986#post1370986 Aug 31 22:24:26 WTF?! Aug 31 22:25:11 TMO under spam attack?! Aug 31 22:25:40 !!! RED ALERT !!! Aug 31 22:25:57 holy crap :P Aug 31 22:26:15