**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 08 02:59:59 2013 Sep 08 08:35:14 for the life of me i still don't understand these frequencies Sep 08 08:35:30 if i wanted a phone to work on at least t-mobile 3G wouldn't it require the 1700 band? Sep 08 10:57:36 for the chatlog record: ubifs module mismatch with zlib in stock sdk kernel 2.6.32-generic fixed by building custom kernel 2.6.32.61+drm33.26 (not a pleasant process). ubifs now loads, and rootfs.jffs2 is now mounted using the ubiformat/ubiattach method described by 'pali' in the maemo forum. Sep 08 12:11:05 DocScrutinizer05: mh, i think i don't want my cloak anymore Sep 08 12:11:13 would it be rude if i dropped it? Sep 08 12:11:35 the server i'm using the bouncer on has rdns now, and an identd Sep 08 12:12:34 dropping cloaks isn't exactly easy. Best you /join #freenode and ask for it Sep 08 12:12:56 nah, it's easy Sep 08 12:13:04 you just have to /join #freenode and ask for it :) Sep 08 12:13:16 but would it be rude? Sep 08 12:27:22 rude against whom? Sep 08 12:28:14 is it rude that I stick with my openmoko cloak? Sep 08 12:28:41 was it rude of stskeeps to drop his maemo cloak? Sep 08 12:29:04 it's a cloak! basically a nothing Sep 08 12:30:01 get "Maemo/is/a/piece/of/shit" cloak - that would be rude :) Sep 08 12:30:08 hehe Sep 08 12:31:09 dos1: what's with that URL? it stalls for me. Too lazy to do a whois Sep 08 12:32:08 DocScrutinizer05: try again Sep 08 12:32:20 OOOH! Sep 08 12:33:56 dos1: you're awesome! :-) Sep 08 12:34:48 kerio: congrats! Sep 08 12:37:10 DocScrutinizer05: nah, just made a quick copy of GTA04 page and edited a bit in few minutes ;) Sep 08 12:37:36 what URL is this>? Sep 08 12:37:41 jonwil: http://neo900.org/ Sep 08 12:38:11 or if there's still webmail interface (dns propagation...), http://dosowisko.net/n900/ Sep 08 12:38:19 nice :) Sep 08 12:38:25 s/n900/neo900/ Sep 08 12:38:26 dos1 meant: or if there's still webmail interface (dns propagation...), http://dosowisko.net/neo900/ Sep 08 12:39:45 nice site, but I think we could need a new neo900 logo :) Sep 08 12:40:17 So guys, any idea where I should focus any RE work I might end up doing? Sep 08 12:41:01 jonwil: I'd vote for documenting CSD dbus interfaces Sep 08 12:41:13 Sosica: is there some "old" neo900 logo I'm not aware of? :D Sep 08 12:41:50 documenting CSD dbus interface sounds great except that reverse engineering unknown dbus interfaces is HARD :( Sep 08 12:42:07 no but it'd be nice to have a specific neo900 one next to the open phoenux logo Sep 08 12:42:20 Sosica: agreed Sep 08 12:42:57 there's still plenty of time of that. Hopefully someone will create something awesome :) Sep 08 12:44:09 jonwil: I think we may do some "mixed" approach, at least at the beginning Sep 08 12:44:45 start some work based on assumptions and guesses from dbus-monitor Sep 08 12:45:15 with some excessive logging of any call made that might differ from what we think it should look like Sep 08 12:46:21 then identify things that does not work reliably or were hard to guess, and just then RE bits that cause troubles Sep 08 12:48:02 we could provide some automated scripts to collect interesting stuff from logs, make it working in at least some basic way on N900 and let bleeding-edge testers from community find a corner cases Sep 08 12:49:12 it shouldn't be hard to make it working in some basic way based on dbus-monitor alone Sep 08 12:49:37 corner cases will be problematic, so we can try to find and RE just those parts Sep 08 12:49:48 what do you think? Sep 08 12:50:09 I think a good place to start is this: Sep 08 12:50:22 1.Identify the target (cellular services daemon and its plugins) Sep 08 12:50:35 2.Identify all the libs used in the process Sep 08 12:51:30 3.Reverse engineer each lib/plugin/etc and make a list of files, directories, gconf keys, dbus things and related items that are used Sep 08 12:52:02 4.From that list, identify which things are already documented Sep 08 12:52:20 5.Then for the undocumented stuff, identify (via a grep of the n900 filesystem) which binaries (if any) make those dbus calls Sep 08 12:52:38 6.From there you can decide whether those binaries should be replaced or whether they need to be re-used as-is Sep 08 12:53:57 right. I was talking only about replacing dbus API Sep 08 12:54:30 good point with 5, from quick look at csd-gprs it seems to me that some of the calls shouldn't be used on N900 at all Sep 08 12:54:56 BTW: yay! just won an auction for broken Nokia 5800 ($9 with shipping included)! so I'll have a charger for N900 battery :D Sep 08 12:55:37 so hopefully I'll be able to start first experiments soon ;) Sep 08 12:55:58 i.e. figure out for each undocumented item whether it needs to be documented (because something that we cant replace needs it) or whether it doesn't need to be documented (because the things that use it are things that are open source, are things we dont need on Neo900 or are things where writing something new that does the same job is easier than trying to make the existing widget work) Sep 08 12:55:59 I got a separate charger to do that Sep 08 12:56:12 ever since the USB got fuxored :( Sep 08 12:56:32 entitled: for $9? ;) Sep 08 12:56:40 for example, it might be easier to write a new widget from scratch to display the cellular status/bars using whatever interface exists in ofono/fsogsmd rather than reverse engineering the dbus calls the stock widget is using Sep 08 12:56:40 less than that Sep 08 12:56:48 och :o Sep 08 12:56:57 it's just an adapter, where a wall charger goes Sep 08 12:58:14 DocScrutinizer05: we even have an identd Sep 08 12:58:17 so good Sep 08 12:58:25 but mine comes with battery too ;D Sep 08 12:59:11 yeah, it's a good deal Sep 08 12:59:57 Spare usb port arrived, hoping to fix the phone itself Sep 08 13:00:14 tried resoldering the old one, no dice Sep 08 13:00:51 haha http://i.imgur.com/LZtGrCx.jpg Sep 08 13:01:32 jonwil: reimplementing it basing just on names from http://www.cncmods.net/files/dbus/net_interface.xml and checking if it works should be easier too Sep 08 13:02:04 if it works, we're lucky; if it doesn't, then RE/rewrite Sep 08 13:02:21 and by reimplementing, I mean mocking Sep 08 13:03:35 writing a dumb mock, which will just return some data given to it via config, or even hardcoded Sep 08 13:03:45 and checking how maemo UI will react to it Sep 08 13:06:19 it might be that some parts of CSD API will have to remain mocked, because there will be no direct relation from it to the features new modem will offer **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 08 13:25:10 2013 Sep 08 13:27:42 yes that makes sense dos1: Sep 08 13:27:49 FYI, that website that file is mine :) Sep 08 13:27:56 well the file is Nokias but I put it there :) Sep 08 13:29:50 jonwil: you mean that n900 photo? Sep 08 13:30:30 och Sep 08 13:30:31 ok Sep 08 13:30:32 xml file Sep 08 13:30:34 :) Sep 08 13:32:24 thanks a lot, having those files in one place is going to be really helpful Sep 08 13:38:03 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_dbus is what I wrote to provide all the known details of the n900 dbus linked back to the files on that other website Sep 08 13:38:40 jonwil: yup, seen that, just didn't know it was you. Huge thanks! :) Sep 08 14:04:39 hi Sep 08 14:04:42 I have an issue with the n900 I set up my own mail server and it works fine. So I set my server to the server and I get no message. So I'd like to debug it but I don't know where to find the log for the mail client. Do you know where to look ? Sep 08 14:08:00 I'd start with your server logs. Sep 08 14:08:46 Wizzup: I have nothing im my server logs so I think I have an issue with the mail client Sep 08 14:08:59 so it doesn't work fine. Sep 08 14:09:04 You should be able to see any IMAP request Sep 08 14:09:09 even just simple logins Sep 08 14:09:16 what about smtp logs Sep 08 14:11:19 I'm testing it I j'm just tested imaps Sep 08 14:12:56 I can't send over smtps because mailbox reception not appears Sep 08 14:30:34 in fact my imaps directories not appears so I don't know if the mail client made the reauest. I check the settings many times and this thunderbird it is ok but with n900 mail client it failed Sep 08 14:39:19 I think CSSU has a bugfixed modest, that avoids some problems seen with IMAP in stock modest mail client. I never looked into it in detail, so you better ask the CSSU guys about it Sep 08 14:41:48 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog search for "modest" Sep 08 14:43:30 ~cssu Sep 08 14:43:30 from memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Sep 08 14:45:01 ok thx Sep 08 14:45:35 infobot: from memory even? Sep 08 14:46:13 lol Sep 08 14:49:37 DocScrutinizer05: https://www.facebook.com/n900tips/posts/576712672364863 ;) Sep 08 15:00:42 just found on twitter while searching for some Neo900 mentions: "Elop to become MS CEO. After 2 years: Google to buy MS. The end." :D Sep 08 15:14:44 LOL Sep 08 15:26:40 so, my parents bought an ipad Sep 08 15:26:45 it's neat! Sep 08 15:26:54 kinda heavy though Sep 08 15:28:53 ^.^ Sep 08 15:38:44 I get the impression ipad ain't very rugged either Sep 08 15:39:54 http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/privacy-scandal-nsa-can-spy-on-smart-phone-data-a-920971.html makes you wonder about maemo Sep 08 15:40:10 dos1: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-Re-Offene-Handy-Betriebssysteme-offene-Firmware-offene-Hardware/forum-264810/msg-24074134/read/ Sep 08 15:40:34 Werner Almesberger \o/ Sep 08 15:41:05 dos1: you should replace the N900 photo by one that shows the hw kbd slide open Sep 08 15:41:32 dos1: beware of (C)-infringements! Sep 08 15:41:44 might get pretty expensive Sep 08 15:41:50 DocScrutinizer05: I know, this one is temporary Sep 08 15:46:04 DocScrutinizer05: there will me more content and more images anyway, this one was just quickly put together ;) Sep 08 15:47:11 joga: mh, i don't know if it's actually true or if it's just a ruse to sell you covers and cases Sep 08 15:49:38 DocScrutinizer05: I hope there's someone in the community that'll be able to make professional-looking photos on white background and release on some CC license Sep 08 15:49:48 we'll need stuff like that Sep 08 15:50:48 kerio, I dunno I've heard of people cracking them with a small drop etc Sep 08 15:51:04 they don't like to talk about such things though because they're oh so gorgeous ;P Sep 08 15:52:33 hmm Sep 08 15:52:36 http://nokiagadgets.com/2013/09/08/n900-given-a-new-lease-of-life-with-aluminium-shell-and-neo900-project/ Sep 08 16:04:24 Alu shell? :-o Sep 08 16:04:32 DocScrutinizer05: have you seen that alu case? imagine it with engraved "Neo900" and OpenPhoenux logo on back case ^^ Sep 08 16:04:46 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83928 Sep 08 16:05:20 early photo: http://lorienart.pl/backcover-prealpha.jpg Sep 08 16:05:33 ouch, wait, it's in article Sep 08 16:05:35 :D Sep 08 16:05:42 won't fly. All aerials (aka antennae) will be borked and detuned to oblivion Sep 08 16:06:40 DocScrutinizer05: looking at thread (especially last pages) it seems like Estel is ready to take care of that Sep 08 16:07:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1372838&postcount=277 Sep 08 16:10:05 heh, you can't take care of that. It's physically impossible to use the same antennae with a case that massively changed its RF properties like that Sep 08 16:12:17 i'd like a fractal antenna Sep 08 16:12:41 ;-) Sep 08 16:12:46 That receives exactly itself? Sep 08 16:13:05 Probably our Multiverse is exactly _that_. ;-) Sep 08 16:16:27 they're actually a thing Sep 08 18:06:58 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1372928#post1372928 some spam on TMO. by a guy who joined 2012... Sep 08 18:10:54 spam again? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1372928#post1372928 Sep 08 18:13:19 Join Date: 08-08-12 Sep 08 18:16:49 frack, they have a plan! Sep 08 18:28:46 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1372847#post1372847 (for those who haven't noticed) Sep 08 18:34:11 [general notice] www.maemo.org and wiki.maemo.org are going down for service Sep 08 18:35:01 dos1: lexik: NIN101: indeed Sep 08 18:35:18 thedead1440: you can't ban and delete those? Sep 08 18:36:18 once-click doesn't work for the 90-day limit, but I'd hope you can "manually" ban as spambot and delete the one post this account ever posted Sep 08 18:37:04 thread is already deleted Sep 08 18:38:07 I know, I did it ;-) Sep 08 18:38:23 ok, that would explain it :) Sep 08 18:38:50 I just wondered why thedead1440 reported it and not deleted it Sep 08 18:44:34 hello, if I wanna put CSSU Thumb and kp52 on a fresh install of Maemo, which should I install first? Sep 08 18:47:09 1.) After reflashing, I tried to restore a backup with CSSU enabler, which failed to install. 2.) Before that reflash, the N900 went black after I had installed kp52 on CSSU Thumb so I must have gotten something wrong Sep 08 18:48:46 i'm not sure, but in my opinion (and in opinion of my N900) it doesn't matter. What i did was that I have firstly instaled kp and after that the CSSU-thumb, and i have no problems. (But don't listen me, i'm just regular N900-geeky-user) Sep 08 18:50:31 seems installation of cssu-thumb pulls in a matching kernel automatically. But if it doesn't, you're screwed since system prone to segfault when running thumb binaries on a kernel without thumb patch Sep 08 18:51:39 restoration of a backup never restores the kernel. You alwas need to tale care to install the matching kernel first, before you restore any backup Sep 08 18:51:46 always* Sep 08 18:52:13 same basically applies to CSSU Sep 08 18:53:57 cssu-thumb instructions should deal with all that. You can't reatore CSSU(-thumb) backup to a freshly flashed "clean" system. You need to upgrade the system to same "patchlevel" you had when doing the backup Sep 08 18:54:11 "manually" Sep 08 18:54:37 for BM matters are a tad different, but not much Sep 08 19:12:10 dos1: mention kbd slide!! Sep 08 19:12:40 DocScrutinizer05: I'm replacing current temporary photo with different temporary photo as we speak :D Sep 08 19:13:04 nevertheless mention it in tmo post, please! Sep 08 19:13:18 people willing to help should know what to do Sep 08 19:13:50 DocScrutinizer05, what is BM? Sep 08 19:13:57 ~bm Sep 08 19:13:57 rumour has it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Sep 08 19:14:29 soltys, best is to go CSSU htumb first, then kp52? Sep 08 19:14:55 not soltys, sorry. I was gonna type just "so" Sep 08 19:15:03 DocScrutinizer05, Sep 08 19:15:11 actually Sep 08 19:15:13 DocScrutinizer05: done Sep 08 19:15:58 but that sequence is what went wrong before the last reflash Sep 08 19:16:41 any idea why installing kp52 would sabotage bootability? Sep 08 19:20:38 it usually shouldn't Sep 08 19:21:11 but no, you should install kernel _first_ Sep 08 19:22:05 flash, install kernel, install CSSU, install CSSU-thumb Sep 08 19:22:12 then restore backup Sep 08 19:22:41 but make a new BM backup before restoring anything, so you can roll back the restore in case it breaks sth Sep 08 19:35:34 * lexik is going to take some profesional-looking photos of N900 for you :) dos1 ^^; feel free to do some more pictures of it - mine usb is broken, so the "usb side" photo is waiting for you. Sep 08 19:35:55 lexik: great! :) Sep 08 19:35:58 just read PM too Sep 08 19:38:56 but i need sunlight, so i must wait :P I wish I could do it now :D Sep 08 19:39:59 no prob, it's not that urgent :) Sep 08 19:46:10 lexik: try to get something like http://neo900.org/img/neo900-open.png Sep 08 19:47:08 m.o up, that was quick :) Sep 08 19:47:14 but don't worry, I'll take care of openphoenux and Neo900 logos ;) Sep 08 19:49:05 ... aand we're back. Sep 08 19:53:28 dos1: okey... that reminds me, maybe we will need Neo900 logo? Sep 08 19:53:49 we'll probably need some, yes Sep 08 19:54:51 Neo900 logo competition? Sep 08 19:55:42 sounds good Sep 08 19:57:04 the winner will get discount of $50 for the Neo900 :D Sep 08 20:03:56 dos1 http://maemo.qwazix.com/photos/fullsize/DSC_3553.JPG Sep 08 20:04:36 I know you asked for a white background, but I had those photos Sep 08 20:09:49 ooh sexy Sep 08 20:10:09 a bit dim tho :p Sep 08 20:11:09 feel free to browse the parent folder too, more pics there Sep 08 20:11:16 qwazix: thanks :) Sep 08 20:11:23 yw Sep 08 20:11:33 I think we should make some kind of photo repo Sep 08 20:11:53 with photos we can use for sure without any copyright infridgement Sep 08 20:12:26 btw, I don't know if editing out the nokia logo and n900 logo is a good idea, those ebay cases come with that Sep 08 20:12:50 on the other hand, shipping a product with another company's brand might be problematic Sep 08 20:13:25 my n900 is a bit roughed up and cushioned with some rubber thingies, it's not very pretty :( Sep 08 20:13:58 qwazix: yeah, that's the thing we'll probably have to solve somehow Sep 08 20:14:47 joga, I'm proud to say that the one in the photo is my regular N900 which I use every day, without a case :) now it has one or two scratches though and a bit of wear on the D key, sadly Sep 08 20:15:11 it's still very long time till any working device comes to daylight, so I think no one will be upset about Neo900 logo being edited on the photo ;) Sep 08 20:17:32 it would be great if GolDeliCo would come up with some easy way to remove that Nokia branding and replace it with our :D Sep 08 20:18:04 hammer? :P Sep 08 20:18:21 if they won't, I'll print some sticker for myself :P Sep 08 20:18:46 I doubt any sticker will remain there for long... Sep 08 20:19:04 DocScrutinizer05, but installing CSSU Thumb will pull a customized kernel right? In that case wouldn't it be useless to install kp before CSSU thumb? Sep 08 20:19:38 One solution would be some kind of black paste to fill the recessed nokia logo, and stick an openphoenux logo somewhere else Sep 08 20:20:14 qwazix: then lots of spare stickers ;] Sep 08 20:20:20 hehe Sep 08 20:21:28 and with the microsoft deal being finalized till then, things are looking even more grim, I'd say mill the logo down Sep 08 20:21:55 will do Sep 08 20:22:05 bat cover more trouble Sep 08 20:22:33 ooh yeah... I had forgotten that, I got a sticker over it :P Sep 08 20:22:37 dos1: check my edited photo of qwazix Sep 08 20:23:22 removed color Sep 08 20:23:45 also in the reflections in n900 case Sep 08 20:24:12 but I think it's from wrong side Sep 08 20:24:26 you have to place such photo on left side of scree Sep 08 20:24:38 screen Sep 08 20:24:45 yup Sep 08 20:25:30 DocScrutinizer05, thanks! looks good Sep 08 20:25:38 yw Sep 08 20:26:43 gimp is awesome Sep 08 20:26:51 btw, what are you thinking about usb port? proper OTG requires a rectangular aperture is that a problem? Sep 08 20:26:55 indeed it is Sep 08 20:27:13 minor problem, we have to revork the cases slightly Sep 08 20:27:21 :nod: Sep 08 20:28:14 and I hope the GTA04 doesn't have a bupbat :) Sep 08 20:28:15 takes 10s with a dremel with right milling tool Sep 08 20:28:37 sure it has a bupbat err bupcap Sep 08 20:28:49 big difference Sep 08 20:28:54 ;-P Sep 08 20:29:10 I was able to catch this one early Sep 08 20:29:54 hah, it's raining so hard the fireworks are cnacelled Sep 08 20:30:14 fireworks? Sep 08 20:30:43 I'm happy I decided not to move there, just to find myself wet and alone at that place, with no fireworks taking place Sep 08 20:34:08 http://neo900.org/photos/ Sep 08 20:34:22 I'll collect photos there :) Sep 08 20:35:03 qwazix: http://www.volksfest-nuernberg.de/programm/nurnberger-herbstvolksfest-2013-1.2703348 Sep 08 20:35:55 fireworks look good! but I don't understand a word :) Sep 08 20:36:32 all the way down it says "abschluss feuerwerk 22:15" Sep 08 20:38:07 but I guess their bomb guns would drown in water ;-D Sep 08 20:38:56 lol Sep 08 20:40:39 the bombs are paper balls diameter up to 30cm, and at the lowest point they ahve the propellant gunpower attached. Now when the gun tube wills with rain water, the propellant might get wet, and the bomb hardly makes it out of the tube before it bursts ;-P Sep 08 20:41:17 doesn't sound very exciting Sep 08 20:41:18 ouch Sep 08 20:43:02 indeed figure the bomb not climbing to 100m altitude before bursting, but rather go parabolic into the watching crowds Sep 08 20:44:15 indeed ouch! Sep 08 21:21:43 DocScrutinizer05: what needs to be done regarding TMO registration issue? is there any way I can help maybe? Sep 08 21:25:01 we're going to import a few extensions to vBulletin as soon as chemist is back from holiday Sep 08 22:35:49 dos1: you may import the today's board snapshots from my shareservice ;-) Sep 08 23:40:26 DocScrutinizer05: the link under "Maemo" should be http://maemo.org/intro/ , not http://maemo.org Sep 09 00:00:07 ~seen robbiethe1st Sep 09 00:00:10 robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@63.140.21.124> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 20h 23m 39s ago, saying: 'Moar power!'. Sep 09 00:06:45 Hi! please share your thoughts regarding the eV, I just updated the thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373011#post1373011 Sep 09 00:25:07 yo quackquack Sep 09 00:25:22 what kind of nickname is that Sep 09 00:25:27 hi HtheB Sep 09 00:25:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajNITiqPAKw Sep 09 00:26:19 xD HtheB Sep 09 00:26:24 :D Sep 09 00:27:06 that's on my to watch list Sep 09 00:27:51 HtheB, you just read my recent eV post, what do you think? Sep 09 00:28:19 RiD: it's only 8 secs Sep 09 00:28:29 Win7Mac: to be honest, it was too long ehheh Sep 09 00:28:34 I dont even know what it was about though Sep 09 00:28:40 no sound here :p Sep 09 00:28:53 Do'h! Sep 09 00:30:24 DJ quackquack Sep 09 00:31:13 * quackquack listening Sep 09 00:36:21 ehheh... dont even know what it was about... care about duck shit instead... right, should do that too instead of spending hours upon it. know what? - FU! Sep 09 00:37:04 i did not understand a single thing of what you just said Sep 09 00:37:28 are you saying that duck shit is hours? Sep 09 00:37:32 RiD, +1 Sep 09 00:40:48 right, duck shit is hours, just smoke it and ya know Sep 09 00:40:58 smoke is duck? Sep 09 00:41:19 no, you are dick Sep 09 00:41:35 don't call me names , you silly Sep 09 00:41:45 call me by my nickname Sep 09 00:41:56 honestly, what do you expect? Sep 09 00:42:05 rid Sep 09 00:42:15 you could get RiD of me Sep 09 00:43:24 I could, but I want your input in that topic ;) Sep 09 00:43:38 what topic Sep 09 00:43:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373011#post1373011 Sep 09 00:46:43 sorry but i'm a mere user Sep 09 00:48:05 mere tmo user? mere H user? Sep 09 00:48:50 shit, it's about OUR future... Sep 09 00:49:12 I can't help on that Sep 09 00:49:34 oh, come on! Sep 09 00:49:47 what? Sep 09 00:50:00 yes you can! Sep 09 00:50:12 i have no knowledge in all that burocracy mess Sep 09 00:51:41 behave! Sep 09 00:52:00 lol, I wasn't being mean or anything :p Sep 09 00:52:17 no, mee to Sep 09 00:52:24 too Sep 09 00:53:13 I'm a leecher! Only thing I ever did was that rockbox skin Sep 09 00:53:40 if it helps: I got notification of new post in thread, and I read it and got headache trying to get it all together Sep 09 00:54:47 Doc, where can I assist? Sep 09 00:55:15 and yes, it helps Sep 09 00:55:52 since you at least can read the draft Sep 09 00:56:21 basically, I don't know what do any more Sep 09 00:56:57 I'm a bit frustrated with this since input is so low Sep 09 00:57:54 board decided and I'm left alone with it... :( Sep 09 01:07:05 Doc, please refrain from tearing my post appart in the thread, please comment here instead and allow me to correct mayself if you think I'm wrong here or there Sep 09 01:12:28 Win7Mac: my future isn't based on a OS... Sep 09 01:12:32 I have a life you know ;) Sep 09 01:13:00 I'm here for fun, and to help people if someone needs help Sep 09 01:13:25 and yeah, a little duck is always awesome, right quackquack and RiD ? Sep 09 01:13:58 Win7Mac: I caan't comment and for sure I won't tear it into pieces. I'm just amazed by your endurance to push this. I resigned several months ago Sep 09 01:14:51 * quackquack nods HtheB Sep 09 01:14:58 HtheB, if you get active on tmo as mod, how can you ignore HiFo? Sep 09 01:15:02 HtheB ehh...sure Sep 09 01:15:07 mallards? Sep 09 01:15:12 im just banning spambot Sep 09 01:15:26 oh, thats it? Sep 09 01:15:28 and merging threads and stuff Sep 09 01:15:42 im not into all the other stuff Sep 09 01:16:34 Win7Mac: frustration is a poor argument to convice others to help. I know since I've been there Sep 09 01:17:30 and HiFo got a very bad taste for most of community members, thanks to last term Sep 09 01:17:49 it's not a surprise that feedback and enthusiasm is low Sep 09 01:18:38 the problem is to convince community that HiFo is a good thing and can be fun and perspective Sep 09 01:18:53 Doc, amazed by my endurance? - board thinks this is the right way to go and since I'm the only one left to help in that regard since chemist lesft for holliday and whatnot Sep 09 01:18:54 90% of the users skips it anyway, it's something that a normal user doesnt even understand what it is about Sep 09 01:19:39 right, and I want to help Sep 09 01:19:57 :-) Sep 09 01:19:58 I just hit busses instead Sep 09 01:20:25 :-( Sep 09 01:21:50 Win7Mac: I thought you wanted some war... Sep 09 01:22:03 no, discussion Sep 09 01:22:18 more like community backup Sep 09 01:22:20 You ain't helping anybody if you call people dick.... Sep 09 01:22:29 sorry Sep 09 01:22:47 :o I'm sure he didn't mean it Sep 09 01:22:55 this also makes influance of your reputation Sep 09 01:23:21 right, sorry again, I was emberrassed Sep 09 01:23:30 still, just because I'm not into something.. Sep 09 01:23:31 ok Sep 09 01:23:36 appology accepted Sep 09 01:23:56 so, what is all the stuff about anyway? Sep 09 01:24:35 get the money to where it is needed + accesible Sep 09 01:24:58 maemo community needs somebody who got the "power" to sign contracts for us all Sep 09 01:25:07 and get the HiFo under EU instead of PA state laws Sep 09 01:25:19 eu stinks as much as PA Sep 09 01:25:25 Doc, right! Sep 09 01:26:00 HtheB: why do you say EU stinks? what's wrong? Sep 09 01:26:03 HtheB, I don't think so Sep 09 01:26:28 the EU is going down soon.. believe me :) Sep 09 01:26:36 econimical crisis and stuff :) Sep 09 01:26:42 I don't worry about that Sep 09 01:26:44 portugal will save it Sep 09 01:26:47 *cough* Sep 09 01:26:50 LOL Sep 09 01:26:52 exactly... Sep 09 01:27:45 a couple countries will survive it Sep 09 01:27:49 like China Sep 09 01:27:50 Turkey Sep 09 01:27:56 and portugal Sep 09 01:28:29 anyway, this channel is about Maemo, not about political stuff Sep 09 01:28:36 neither about Hildon foundation Sep 09 01:28:43 and the US ofc... Sep 09 01:29:15 all I care is my life and my family and friends :) Sep 09 01:29:17 HtheB: you missed the point here Sep 09 01:29:26 nothing more, nothing less Sep 09 01:29:27 HiFo *is* maemo Sep 09 01:29:31 no its not :) Sep 09 01:29:55 then sth is wrong Sep 09 01:30:05 since it's meant to be Sep 09 01:31:05 what will hildon foundation do for me? :) Sep 09 01:31:22 it got invented to be maemo for all that matters regarding signing contracts and handling money Sep 09 01:31:28 pay for the infra e.g Sep 09 01:31:37 HtheB: pay for the servers? Sep 09 01:31:49 i dont care about that Sep 09 01:31:56 again: if maemo closes, my life isn't over :) Sep 09 01:31:58 Compatible with 2G & 3G HSDPA 850/900/1900/2100 & 4G 800/900/1800/1900/2100/2600 Sep 09 01:32:01 ok, then why do you moderate tmo? Sep 09 01:32:05 i still don't understand what t-mobile uses Sep 09 01:32:08 to help people, I like that Sep 09 01:32:10 don't they use 1700 for 4G? Sep 09 01:32:28 HtheB: you're starting to sound silly Sep 09 01:32:36 why is that? :) Sep 09 01:32:50 Maemo is starting to die.... Sep 09 01:33:03 because you say you love using tmo but you don't see how HiFo paying tmo is any good for you Sep 09 01:33:15 i didn't say I love... Sep 09 01:33:18 I love my family and friends :) Sep 09 01:33:27 like and love are 2 different words Sep 09 01:33:55 tmo is full of trolls nowadays Sep 09 01:34:06 no announcement of awesome stuff Sep 09 01:34:07 no, helping others is a good thing, no matter if its on tmo or here on IRC - each his own, but still we have smth in common with a "higher2 goal, right? Sep 09 01:34:26