**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 11 02:59:59 2013 Sep 11 03:51:35 hmmm, where would be the best place to put Neo900 wiki pages and info? Sep 11 03:59:07 My mother knew a couple guys when she was young named John and Bill Will. Sep 11 03:59:44 However, while your screenname reminded me of that fact, I have no useful answer to your question. Sep 11 04:11:28 hi Sep 11 04:11:45 how can I had .install from command line? Sep 11 04:11:46 I mean from terminal Sep 11 04:16:19 heh Sep 11 04:16:24 DocScrutinizer05 Sep 11 04:16:26 hi Sep 11 04:16:37 seems the news on your guys project is spreading Sep 11 04:16:38 can I had .install file from commande line? Sep 11 04:16:40 https://pay.reddit.com/r/Neo900/comments/1lokb5/introducing_the_neo900_project_the_first_true/ Sep 11 04:42:54 I'm mildly amused by the reddit comment about DOA with only 512 RAM. Sep 11 04:45:56 If it were meant to be an iPhone-killer, or even an Android mid-market competitor, I'd agree, but as I understand it the Neo900 isn't really trying to make a commercial killing. It's trying to give a certain subset of diehard openmoko and n900 fans something enough better to be worth it...to them, not to the general public. Sep 11 04:46:49 Anyhow, I'm off to bed. Sleepy enough I'll start (keep) rambling pointlessly otherwise. Sep 11 07:07:55 ok Sep 11 07:08:10 I have send my phone back Sep 11 07:08:11 I alredy missing my n900 Sep 11 07:08:55 maemo fremantle with 512mb of ram is going to be so fucking good Sep 11 07:09:20 when I get a new phone , should I use orginal flash? or better to install global flash (is there hebrew support?) Sep 11 07:09:34 what repostory should I have in /etc/apt/sourcer.list.d/? Sep 11 07:15:56 always use global Sep 11 08:38:51 Kilroo: absolutely Sep 11 08:40:10 Kilroo: some (reddit) comments are DOA, commenting and arguing about stuff that already been *) discussed *) explained *) even altered sometimes Sep 11 08:42:26 maybe I should change the specs from "min 512MB RAM" to "min 4Mb RAM" ;-P Sep 11 08:44:02 DocScrutinizer05: silly idea: extra ram as mmc, for swap Sep 11 08:44:20 DocScrutinizer05: I suppose you meant 4Gb :) Sep 11 08:44:31 kerio, that seems silly Sep 11 08:44:42 i know Sep 11 08:45:05 well, silly in what way? Sep 11 08:45:23 Unless you mean circumventing the max ram size limit (and availability) of omap3 by creating a new peripheral which contains ram and talks through sd/mmc Sep 11 08:45:30 kerio: yeah Sep 11 08:45:34 4Gb Sep 11 08:45:40 ShadowJK: i mean that Sep 11 08:45:51 Oh I thought you meant swap on ramdisk. Sep 11 08:46:12 512mb of real ram, and then some more ram Sep 11 08:46:22 it's going to be slower, but it's going to be used as swap anyway Sep 11 08:46:34 kerio: PLEASE!!! read the thread, it's exactly what I wrote there, even pointed to chips' datasheets which I am about to evaluate Sep 11 08:46:49 yay Sep 11 08:46:51 Would love ram-on-SD, for my N800. Sep 11 08:46:56 kerio: isn't that what is already proposed? (damn, too slow :P) Sep 11 08:47:16 kerio: also, figure Fremantle on 512MB RAM backed up by 1GB NAND Sep 11 08:48:05 1gb nand for... rootfs? Sep 11 08:48:19 for swap Sep 11 08:48:28 oic Sep 11 08:48:41 ...but we don't need to store the swap :s Sep 11 08:48:48 like, long-term storage Sep 11 08:49:44 i'm *constantly* improving, beautifying and augmenting the post#1 on Sep 11 08:49:46 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 Sep 11 08:50:09 it's maybe worth having a new look at it every now and then Sep 11 08:50:30 a lot of embedded links to other posts in thread Sep 11 08:50:37 HDMI on dual-purpose USB receptacle Sep 11 08:50:42 ooh, how does that work? Sep 11 08:50:44 cancelled Sep 11 08:50:50 i mean in general Sep 11 08:50:59 OMAP3 doesn't support HDMI Sep 11 08:51:10 10pin USB Sep 11 08:51:36 neat Sep 11 08:52:05 it has 5 additional pins at a location that doesn't interfere with "normal2 plugs Sep 11 08:52:22 yeah, i saw pics Sep 11 08:52:27 is that doable with microusb too? Sep 11 08:52:37 it's reality it seems Sep 11 08:52:57 stupid question... is RAM still so expensive? As in, why do even today mobile phones with Android get shipped with as little as 256M? Sep 11 08:53:02 (the cheap ones do) Sep 11 08:53:06 anyway I don't like the idea too much Sep 11 08:53:17 what does 1G cost in the typical form you need for a mobile device? Sep 11 08:53:27 $very_little * 500000 is still a lot Sep 11 08:53:31 divVerent: embedded systems aren't like PCs, there's no RAM slot on them Sep 11 08:53:32 point me to a chip and i tell you ;-P Sep 11 08:53:52 or maybe... do you know price diff between the 256M the N900 uses and the 512M the new one will be using? Sep 11 08:54:04 kerio: sure, but I bet most people would pay the extra $10 if it's around that Sep 11 08:54:07 when you're doing big productions (and you *are* doing big productions) even a tiny cost per-chip becomes huge in the end Sep 11 08:54:14 divVerent: RAM is integrated together with CPU and GPU cores in PoP Sep 11 08:54:15 see micron.com and digikey Sep 11 08:54:20 e.g. $10 extra for having Android 4 instead of 2.3... that sounds cheap :P Sep 11 08:54:25 dos1: ah, ok Sep 11 08:54:56 so more RAM may mean you can't have the same CPU and GPU any more... then driver mess Sep 11 08:55:11 if they're integrated Sep 11 08:55:32 there ARe NO PoPs available with 1GB RAM Sep 11 08:55:36 there are of course some variants you can choose from Sep 11 08:55:47 still, swap on SD is just a stupid idea... we need something better. SOMETHING. Sep 11 08:55:49 but for our DM3730 there is no 1GB option Sep 11 08:56:03 are there SD cards that are actually RAM, and thus very fast at single block access? Sep 11 08:56:08 memory controller supports max 512MB Sep 11 08:56:20 only inside N9, on a PoP chips that simply DOES NOT EXIST according to aunt google Sep 11 08:56:33 so how much will that chip cost? ;-P Sep 11 08:56:38 hehe Sep 11 08:56:51 dos1: we have 2 chips select Sep 11 08:56:57 yes, I see, hardware dependency hell... :) Sep 11 08:57:01 DLLs in IC form Sep 11 08:57:06 so a 3chip PoP MCP is feasible Sep 11 08:57:06 DocScrutinizer05: buy n9, desolder PoP, ???, profit! Sep 11 08:57:08 N900 was designed with the biggest ram available at the time it was designed, afaik Sep 11 08:57:20 and by profit i mean ridiculous expenses Sep 11 08:57:26 yes, I understand now why they couldn't "just make a 512M version" :) Sep 11 08:57:27 kerio: believe it or not, exactly that I posted yesterday Sep 11 08:57:29 * ShadowJK wonders what's used on beagleboard xm, and whether it's relevant Sep 11 08:57:31 divVerent: the idea for Neo900 is to use aditional RAM connected as MMC, or some other data interface Sep 11 08:57:37 DocScrutinizer05: that's silly :s Sep 11 08:57:47 Hi, any idea why my calendar double,or triple my dates ? I mean i have 2 appointments or 3 or 4 of birthday of my friend on a current date Sep 11 08:57:48 a whole N9 is bound to cost a lot more Sep 11 08:58:01 XATRIX: are you syncing your calendar somehow? Sep 11 08:58:09 kerio: not entirely, they are avaolable at as little as 130EUR Sep 11 08:58:14 oh wait, only .5 gig. I thought it was 1g Sep 11 08:58:17 kerio: possibly with Nokia Suite Sep 11 08:58:25 But i have multiple IM accounts Sep 11 08:58:55 let's create our own PoP! ;) Sep 11 08:58:56 Currently i have 2 birthday of the same guy for this day Sep 11 08:59:17 And sounds if i only have this contact in skype account Sep 11 08:59:18 dos1: even that been considered by me already :-) Sep 11 08:59:41 piggyback PCB for on top of CPU Sep 11 09:00:02 make my own MCP Sep 11 09:00:31 Any idea how to fix it ? Sep 11 09:00:32 PbP, Package by Package Sep 11 09:00:53 but then there's still 1GB limit. It's not future proof! Sep 11 09:00:59 let's create our own CPU :) Sep 11 09:01:30 OMAP7 with OMAP3 compatibility mode, yeah Sep 11 09:01:50 let's build our own omap7 Sep 11 09:01:54 with an omap4 and an omap3 Sep 11 09:02:08 x86_64 ;) Sep 11 09:02:33 Intel atom is already in lenovo K900 Sep 11 09:02:36 use the same ;) Sep 11 09:03:05 dos1: I'm honestly considering to ask for closing the Neo900 thread, it is at a point of spinning in circles Sep 11 09:04:21 I could answer each single new post with a link to a previous post and my answer given there Sep 11 09:04:33 yeah, noticed that too Sep 11 09:05:07 this is when threads go supernova into oblivion and noise Sep 11 09:05:20 .oO(One Device to rule them all, One Device to find them, One Device to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them.) Sep 11 09:06:25 chem|st: am I allowed to moderate my own thread? Sep 11 09:06:41 DocScrutinizer05: hence why i never could moderate it; too much noise in there... best thing is to keep things updated on a wiki page and let people read from there via the OP of your thread... Sep 11 09:06:46 chem|st: scrap that, I don't want to Sep 11 09:07:34 thedead1440: my first post (aka #1) *is* constantly kept up to date Sep 11 09:07:50 yup saw that Sep 11 09:07:59 what's not in there won't be any better kept on a wiki Sep 11 09:08:15 if the thread is closed you won't be able to update that post too unless you got privs to do it Sep 11 09:08:36 I got enough privs since last weekend ;-) Sep 11 09:08:40 haha Sep 11 09:09:01 I#m just totally reluctant to use them Sep 11 09:09:04 then close it and just update first post but risk the thread not being able to grab people's attention anymore once closed :D Sep 11 09:09:45 I already asked users to delete their posts, in PM Sep 11 09:09:57 hehe Sep 11 09:10:08 or edit and strip [quotes] Sep 11 09:10:54 you have the privs to do that yourself then use it why bother PM'ng them... edit their post and leave a note (reason for editing) so they would know why it was edited Sep 11 09:10:57 but I can't do that on SOOO many of new posts that ask same question the 100th time, even on stuff that's CLEARLY written in post#1 Sep 11 09:11:26 thedead1440: see above. I'm no mod Sep 11 09:11:43 I'm admin°Hsysop Sep 11 09:12:13 * thedead1440 imagines doc becoming mod; all hell would break loose :p :D Sep 11 09:12:18 GOD when I start moderating tmo, the users kill their PC Sep 11 09:12:48 and e*_ will kill me ;-P Sep 11 09:12:54 haha Sep 11 09:13:06 couldn't even blame him Sep 11 09:13:14 he would end up starting his own forum as he always threatens to :D Sep 11 09:13:25 it was an evil powergrabbing if I did Sep 11 09:14:02 911? Sep 11 09:14:11 hehe Sep 11 09:14:30 happy birthd^Hcondolences USA Sep 11 09:15:37 must've been around that very time of day, eh? Sep 11 09:15:53 yup Sep 11 09:18:20 thedead1440: I wouldn't mind *you* ruthlessly moderating the Neo900 thread Sep 11 09:19:09 (editing oter users' posts) don't ask me how many times I already clicked "edit2 instead of "quote" ;-P Sep 11 09:19:18 haha Sep 11 09:19:21 In Europe, 911 is 112. Sep 11 09:19:36 (The Phone Number ;-)) Sep 11 09:19:37 no, 9-11 Sep 11 09:19:41 I know Sep 11 09:19:45 Just hoarsed around. Sep 11 09:19:52 sure, I know Sep 11 09:19:54 I think we need a Neo900 wiki post, particularly to discuss the software stuff Sep 11 09:20:09 jonwil: ORLY? ;-D Sep 11 09:20:37 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1372730&postcount=5 Sep 11 09:21:15 :) Sep 11 09:21:23 and I think I pushed several times on IRC as well Sep 11 09:22:38 please consider a strcture like t.m.o/Neo900/software/OS/TFPT/CSD/dbus-api Sep 11 09:23:52 we can "mv" up later on, like mv OS/TFPT/* /OS/ Sep 11 09:24:05 the other way round is magnitudes harder Sep 11 09:24:44 have to run, sorry Sep 11 09:24:47 bbl Sep 11 09:24:51 cu Sep 11 09:27:48 freemangordon_: at your convenience you may want to look at this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373592#post1373592 Sep 11 09:28:11 * ShadowJK has been reading up and learning about the wonders of systemd Sep 11 09:43:46 hi all Sep 11 09:43:48 hi DocScrutinizer05 Sep 11 09:43:53 what repostory should I use Sep 11 09:44:04 I think I got lost Sep 11 09:44:26 any one can please pastbin /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Sep 11 09:44:51 also what flash to put ? dose global have hebrew ? Sep 11 09:57:49 BTW, just to put that right... I know Maemo would run very well with 512M. Sep 11 09:57:57 Given how it runs on the N900, and my typical swap use. Sep 11 09:58:10 I probably wouldn't need any swap if I had 300M... but 256 is just a tad too low Sep 11 09:58:42 I didn't say 512M weren Sep 11 09:58:57 't enough, just wondered why one would still build ANY device nowadays with that little RAM. Now I know. Sep 11 09:59:28 well the iphone 5s is 64-bit Sep 11 09:59:34 i assume it's because they need more than 4gb of ram Sep 11 10:01:01 even if you don't have >4GB of RAM, there are some benefits Sep 11 10:01:24 for address space randomization for example Sep 11 10:02:53 ShadowJK: wonders of systemd? Sep 11 10:04:14 if you can't randomize addr-level in 4GB then you failed anyway Sep 11 10:05:46 ~+status Sep 11 10:05:46 Since Sat Sep 7 18:52:03 2013, there have been 3 modifications, 152 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 54 commands. I have been awake for 3d 15h 13m 43s this session, and currently reference 119129 factoids. I'm using about 23832 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 663.4/12.08 child 0/0 Sep 11 10:08:26 hi DocScrutinizer05 Sep 11 10:08:43 I send my n900 and wait for new one Sep 11 10:09:46 is it recommanded to use factory flash or better to install new one? I had mass up with sources.list any one can past recommanded one? Sep 11 10:26:43 DrCode: you shouldn't mess with sources.list... Sep 11 10:26:59 but in case you did, Hildon Application Manager will restore it for you when you start it and edit sources in there Sep 11 11:02:11 DrCode: click on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install Sep 11 11:03:31 DocScrutinizer05, I can delete the old repostory and use this? Sep 11 11:03:36 then in HildonApplicationManager open menu -> catalogs, click on each catalog that shows up there, and make sure you click "disable" for testing, and for tools, and for any double cataloh you may have Sep 11 11:03:55 ok Sep 11 11:03:56 you can evem delete catalogs you don't need Sep 11 11:04:08 what flash do U recommanded to install? Sep 11 11:04:21 to use factory flash or install by my self? Sep 11 11:04:26 particularly testing, tools, and doublicates Sep 11 11:04:44 sorry? Sep 11 11:06:15 for backups you must use a micro-SD card, or store the backup to "N900" internal flash (eMMC, aka /MyDocs) and then backup/copy the complete MyDocs volume to your PC via USB mass storage Sep 11 11:07:03 ok Sep 11 11:07:15 I will have new phone, I don't mind to reflash it Sep 11 11:07:18 the latter you want to do anyway, if you got any media files, photos or other stuff stored there Sep 11 11:07:30 if I want to have hebrew , is it recommanded global flash? Sep 11 11:07:51 I'm not sure about that, ask somebody who uses hebrew Sep 11 11:07:56 MohammadAG: ^^^ Sep 11 11:08:31 I think hebrew is comprised in global firmware version Sep 11 11:09:14 ok Sep 11 11:09:32 is it recommanded to use global firmware? Sep 11 11:10:01 what steps is recommanded to reflash firmware Sep 11 11:10:31 Its a new n900 , so I don't have a problem to do it Sep 11 13:37:22 ~flashing Sep 11 13:37:23 well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 11 13:38:13 since it's new, a full reflash (COMBINED and VANILLA) is recommended Sep 11 13:40:55 if the device still boots fine (and you don't expect malware on rootfs that tampers with flashing mydocs data), you want to flash VANILLA, then COMBINED. If device doesn't boot or you want to make 100% sure it's clean, then: COMBINED, then VANNILLA, then COMBINED again Sep 11 13:42:33 if you suspect NOLO bootloader got compromised (*very* unlikely thing), then you might need to coldflash even Sep 11 13:43:27 there *are* users who patched their NOLO to not show the "NOKIA" screen obn boot Sep 11 13:43:45 s/obn/on/ Sep 11 13:43:45 DocScrutinizer05 meant: there *are* users who patched their NOLO to not show the "NOKIA" screen on boot Sep 11 13:52:09 nokia could have used uboot but #NOLO Sep 11 13:53:28 Could have had... Sep 11 13:53:41 [general notice] due to autobuilder hiccup I had to stop the VM - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91330 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-September/thread.html Sep 11 14:01:06 afk for ~3h Sep 11 14:01:30 OMG, elliptic curve cryptography is said to be backdoored by NSA Sep 11 14:01:31 ping xes or warfare regarding autobuilder resume Sep 11 14:01:44 W*T*F?!!! Sep 11 14:01:52 how? where? Sep 11 14:01:53 FIRE IN THE PANTS! Sep 11 14:02:04 https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html#c1675929 Sep 11 14:06:51 thanks :-S Sep 11 14:06:56 o/ Sep 11 14:06:58 bbl Sep 11 16:27:01 robbiethe1st: thanks... installing backupmenu succeeded for the first time. and It works. Thanks. Sep 11 16:29:57 [general notice] autobuilder fixed and resumed Sep 11 16:32:45 garage.maemo.org shows security warning.. just that you know.. Sep 11 16:33:18 in firefox.. Sep 11 16:44:04 fun stuff goes to crowdfounding campains Sep 11 16:44:05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDAw7vW7H0c Sep 11 16:44:54 smells like "give us the money and then we'll find if it's even possible at all" ;] Sep 11 16:56:38 BWAHAHAHAHAARRRRHARRRRHAAAAAARRRRR Sep 11 16:57:31 "give us your money and then we'll find a place where *you* won't find _us_ anymore" Sep 11 16:58:16 damn fools Sep 11 17:03:01 dos1: the problem with such stuff: clueless noobs "buy" the idea, since to them it sounds reasonable Sep 11 17:03:14 yeah... Sep 11 17:04:42 then when somebody who actually *knows* his shit and *did* build real hardware comes to them, they go "but why doesn't it have 96GB of RAM and octocore? and BLOCs???" Sep 11 17:05:42 RLY!! BLOCs are *the* hot shit now! where you been living? Are you a real engineer?? Sep 11 17:07:22 **MY ASS!!** Sep 11 17:09:41 for some reality check: a Lauterbach ICE probe which basically is a 7cm of multicore cable capable of 500MHz+, with a tiny matching spec'ed connector at one end and a not so tiny one at the other end: 250EUR Sep 11 17:10:03 this is a *cable* with two *connectors* Sep 11 17:10:39 doing same stuff on a PCB costs me ~80ct Sep 11 17:10:57 if at all Sep 11 17:12:35 wtf is a BLOC Sep 11 17:13:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDAw7vW7H0c Sep 11 17:13:38 some fairyware Sep 11 17:14:31 or - in short and to the point: a brainfart Sep 11 17:14:42 ahahah Sep 11 17:14:53 that phone must be so comfortable in your pocket Sep 11 17:14:58 also, it'll never break Sep 11 17:15:42 nevaaar! Sep 11 17:15:55 ...since it never started to work ;-P Sep 11 17:15:59 clearly, a cpu only needs 4 pins Sep 11 17:16:05 yup!! Sep 11 17:16:06 it's good enough for usb, after all Sep 11 17:16:35 anyway Sep 11 17:16:44 a big hoax Sep 11 17:17:07 will the neo900 have 5ghz wifi? Sep 11 17:17:19 check our gta04 Sep 11 17:17:31 the ipad has 5ghz wifi Sep 11 17:17:32 we hardly will find a new WiFi module Sep 11 17:17:38 at first glance on first miliseconds i thought you asked about 5ghz cpu Sep 11 17:17:43 haha Sep 11 17:18:01 dos1: same here ;-P Sep 11 17:18:22 yeah, 5ghz cpu seems like nice idea to consider :) Sep 11 17:18:27 kerio: wifi is nasty Sep 11 17:18:43 most chipsets are not built for embedded at all Sep 11 17:19:24 the few that are are usually not anything you could call "open", usually not even *available* in sub-million qty Sep 11 17:19:42 at first glance on first miliseconds i thought you asked about 5ghz cpu Sep 11 17:19:46 same :D Sep 11 17:19:58 IIRC even olpc had lots of trouble finding a suitable wifi chipset Sep 11 17:19:59 not that I would *mind* 5ghz cpu, but.. yeah Sep 11 17:20:12 jonwil: ack Sep 11 17:20:57 a 5ghz cpu would make me care a lot less about the lack of 5ghz wifi Sep 11 17:21:07 kerio: :P Sep 11 17:21:08 but there's overclock for that, right? Sep 11 17:21:09 royalties, NDAs, shitty performance, 5 mio minimum batch Sep 11 17:21:09 :D Sep 11 17:22:05 e.g we would *love* to use WL1271, like on N9 Sep 11 17:22:08 let's do kickstarter for buying 5 mio wifi chipsets Sep 11 17:22:24 every baker will get their own wifi chipset as a gift Sep 11 17:22:46 or maybe thousands of them Sep 11 17:22:51 and we'll use the rest Sep 11 17:22:53 :D Sep 11 17:23:09 try to get *datasheets* of WL1271. Try to find sources (to buy from) Sep 11 17:24:41 we can use crap that has executable blobs in userspace. Then we get the bashing, then the death of project since it has nothing to offer in the end, not even openness Sep 11 17:27:06 will the neo900 offer optional liquid nitrogen cooling, for our overclocking needs? Sep 11 17:27:38 sure, why not Sep 11 17:28:16 Seems like getting anyone to talk to you about anything embedded (WiFi, bluetooth, ARM SoC with decent GPU,GSM/UMTS/LTE chips and other things) is almost impossible unless you are a known name and can commit to buying massive numbers of chips up front. Sep 11 17:30:40 why would a production facility build 5000 units for you when they can get more money by building 5000000 units for samsung? Sep 11 17:31:15 nonsesne, it will work with supraconductors at room temperature, and quantum gates. It doesn't need energy to operate, basically. Only energy needed is to delete storage Sep 11 17:31:46 just put in a lot of memory, no need to delete anything! Sep 11 17:31:48 it's brilliant! Sep 11 17:31:51 see entropy energy equivalent of bit Sep 11 17:32:44 I'd put liquid nitrogen cooling anyway Sep 11 17:32:50 cause liquid nitrogen cooling is cool Sep 11 17:33:02 and nice for longdrinks Sep 11 17:34:32 eeh, it makes it so that you have to wait to drink them Sep 11 17:36:09 funny Sep 11 17:36:38 Unless these parts (SoCs, WiFi chips etc etc etc) are somehow different for each customer then the factory wont care if they are producing 5000000 units for customer x or 5005000 units for customer x and customer y (yes there might be a higher per-unit cost to deliver 5000 units as opposed to 5000000 units but they can charge more per unit to make up for the higher cost) Sep 11 17:36:56 the whole point is that we want different parts Sep 11 17:36:57 isn't it Sep 11 17:37:01 also there's NDAs and shit Sep 11 17:37:04 broken phone which i bought to use as a bl-5j charger has some problem with screen - it shows only colorful stripes Sep 11 17:37:08 so you might not be able to get the same parts Sep 11 17:37:20 but when i put a pressure in top right corner, it show's distorted Nokia logo :D Sep 11 17:37:25 -' Sep 11 17:37:27 dos1: awesome Sep 11 17:37:42 just put a clothespin there Sep 11 17:38:16 I haven't managed to see anything else than heaviliy distorted blue Nokia logo on white background Sep 11 17:39:29 oh, stupid me - probably that's what is shows while charging from off Sep 11 17:39:30 :D Sep 11 17:46:17 hi, i'm trying to get an xml file to work with Aard Dict. the script to convert to .aar format needs to go in /bin/bash but the folder is not there that i see. can this work on the n900? -> http://mag.lab.sh/wiki/Geekend/Hitchwiki Sep 11 17:54:59 another extras devel web assistant error: "File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" :-/ i will try to upload it via scp... Sep 11 17:55:29 spaak: er? you can get bash for N900 from the repos. Or if busybox has all the functions you require change the shebang to /bin/sh. It shouldn't need to go in root. Sep 11 17:55:44 dos1: evidently some contact problem with FPC or LCD(-controller) Sep 11 17:55:47 lexik: what do the builder logs say? Sep 11 17:57:51 * DocScrutinizer05 curses this builder POS Sep 11 17:58:01 sixwheeledbeast: where them are located? i cant upload the .tar.gz and .dsc files.. same error in Chromium, Chrome and Iceweasel Sep 11 17:58:59 doesn't it give you a link to the logs on build, let me see.... Sep 11 18:00:06 I'll just note new modRana is out :) Sep 11 18:00:38 I've actually already announced it here, but it was at 2:30 in the morning in Europe, so some might have missed it :) Sep 11 18:02:00 sixwheeledbeast: thanks, found it. will install bash4 Sep 11 18:02:00 wtf it's like the stylesheets are missing on the assistant page. Sep 11 18:03:14 lexik: does the web assistant page look correct to you? Sep 11 18:03:19 sixwheeledbeast: here is an screenshot of it: http://i.imgur.com/sR4iO4d.png Sep 11 18:03:20 no Sep 11 18:03:34 yep same here Sep 11 18:04:08 in iceweasel it looks much better, dont know why Sep 11 18:05:47 lexik: it's the browser. Sep 11 18:07:03 On latest firefox you now have to allow every page each time. It's blocking content due to expired https I guess. Sep 11 18:08:45 can you test again? Sep 11 18:11:12 http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/11/plasma-desktopPT3743.png Sep 11 18:15:48 Yep definitely browser blocking parts of the website. CSS files and scripts are still blocked on firefox after the "Untrusted Connection" page. You have to click on the identity box and unblock for every page every time PITA. Sep 11 18:23:14 * sixwheeledbeast is afk Sep 11 18:40:04 sixwheeledbeast: ok, "design" issue solved but "File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" error not. Sep 11 18:42:12 :: http://i.imgur.com/q72TGAj.png Sep 11 18:56:41 lexik: hi Sep 11 18:56:56 dos1: hi Sep 11 18:56:57 did you have some problem with ftp upload, or just haven't done it yet? Sep 11 18:57:22 no problem with ftp, just a little problem with photoshop :) Sep 11 18:57:30 ok then :) Sep 11 18:57:35 it's on my side :) Sep 11 19:00:28 dos1: i was talking here about Neo900 logo competition, can you please create new dir on neo900.org (photos/logos/)? I will create thread on TMO, if you want.. Sep 11 19:01:09 sure Sep 11 19:19:39 dos1; DocScrutinizer05: i'm creating the thread about proposals for the logo of Neo900, what should be the deadline? (because of voting..) Sep 11 19:20:15 there's no real need to hurry IMO Sep 11 19:20:52 the tecnology competition is cruel Sep 11 19:20:58 we must hurry Sep 11 19:20:59 XD Sep 11 19:23:20 dos1: no need for hurry but i want to motivate users :D The deadline always can be extended Sep 11 20:07:08 lexik: censoring nokia on your photo right now, should be on the page today :) Sep 11 20:25:38 hello Sep 11 20:25:49 I'm facing a problem trying to install syncevolution Sep 11 20:25:53 libpcre3 (>= 6.7-1osso1+r1) but it is not installable Sep 11 20:33:23 dos1: good :) Sep 11 20:55:00 http://neo900.org/ - now with our own N900 photo Sep 11 21:22:24 what's the next step on that? Sep 11 21:36:55 hmm? Sep 11 21:37:14 maybe a video! Sep 11 21:37:45 a video of what? Sep 11 21:38:11 idk, of a neo900 Sep 11 21:38:24 there is no Neo900 existing yet Sep 11 21:38:34 yeah but we don't necessarily have to tell them Sep 11 21:39:12 hah, ok Sep 11 21:40:31 that photo is also not a photo of a neo900 Sep 11 22:29:17 marcdeop: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ Not installable due to incorrect or missing catalogues? Pkg conflict? Sep 11 22:43:41 sixwheeledbeast: this is not related to that package but to the nokia "Maemo 5 device SSU repository": http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62576 Sep 11 22:45:41 sixwheeledbeast: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps Sep 12 01:54:01 hmmm, still not sure if the Neo900 software stuff should go on wiki.maemo.org or somewhere else... Sep 12 02:14:36 hey!! help wit lockcode.. its not showing any hash !! Sep 12 02:20:37 Srry net hadgone down!! Sep 12 02:20:56 Please help me with the lockcode!! Sep 12 02:36:49 ~lockcode Sep 12 02:36:50 somebody said lockcode was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 Sep 12 02:42:31 Its not giving any hash from that /dev/mtd1 code!! Sep 12 02:43:24 oh Sep 12 02:43:29 * nox- dunno then Sep 12 02:43:38 maybe DocScrutinizer05 knows Sep 12 02:44:38 :( is he available now?? There in tmo thread, lies a similar but unsolved query!! Sep 12 02:46:45 yeah probably sleeping now Sep 12 02:51:26 Umm :( **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 12 02:59:59 2013