**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 12 02:59:59 2013 Sep 12 03:09:07 fb fixed their xmpp Sep 12 03:09:09 :) Sep 12 03:09:13 good stuff Sep 12 03:42:39 Macer: no they didn't Sep 12 03:43:29 I guess TLS works Sep 12 03:43:41 but still, is it really fixed without federation? :p Sep 12 04:58:18 Luke-Jr: heh. fk federation Sep 12 04:58:41 google is dumpung xmpp altogether and "closing" shop Sep 12 04:58:49 dumping Sep 12 04:59:21 they have also closede their exchange connector for gmail Sep 12 04:59:47 only gapps customers can sync calendars and contacts in win8 Sep 12 05:00:10 so windows phones, blackberries, and probably even ios Sep 12 05:00:17 no more google synching Sep 12 05:00:32 only imap for gmail users Sep 12 05:01:01 google = the next closed conglomerate Sep 12 05:01:48 pulled a us govt... sucked people in for a few years with promises of free stuff ... then took the freedom away later after millions were stuck lol Sep 12 05:02:10 and still have ads :) Sep 12 06:27:41 Question: powervrsgx530 on neo 900? Sep 12 06:35:08 heh, when n900 is in offline mode I can't even use usb networking Sep 12 06:35:29 well, I perceived it as "radio off" mode, but obviously it's really offline now :) Sep 12 09:00:15 hmmm, I wonder if the Neo900 software discussion should go on wiki.maemo.org or if it should go somewhere else... Sep 12 09:09:18 * ShadowJK hates discussions on wikis, and hates collections of information and instructions on forums Sep 12 10:20:07 well I was talking about information i.e. dbus etc Sep 12 10:20:11 so not discussion per se Sep 12 10:20:13 but info Sep 12 11:11:18 xkr47: you can use dbus to shutdown only modem/radio Sep 12 11:11:41 quick way is to use MohammadAG's phone-control package Sep 12 15:13:01 * sixwheeledbeast agrees with ShadowJK Sep 12 15:37:04 yes Sep 12 15:37:25 hmm Sep 12 15:37:44 you can have a limited amount of discussion on the "discussion" aka "talk" page associated to every wiki main page Sep 12 15:38:29 but generally you use wiki to collect factoids and data, while you use mail or forum (tmo) for discussion about that very wiki page Sep 12 15:39:44 umm sb highlighted me? Sep 12 15:40:09 sorry, no idea about latest news regarding unlock device-lock Sep 12 15:41:29 what I know however is that gnu-utils fail with the original instruction how to grep the devicelock hash from dev/mtd1 Sep 12 15:43:26 IroN900:~# echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): Sep 12 15:43:27 root:Übereinstimmungen in Binärdatei /dev/mtd1.: Sep 12 15:43:29 IroN900:~# echo root:$(busybox grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): Sep 12 15:43:30 root:OybLWXCdkad.E: Sep 12 15:44:22 IroN900:~# which grep Sep 12 15:44:23 /usr/bin/gnu/grep Sep 12 15:45:13 meh, neither nox nor qwerty123 around Sep 12 15:48:49 IMO the discussion part of the wiki is more for notes and should be signed "~~~". If a "discussion" is required a link to a TMO page should be provided in the Talk page of the wiki instead. Sep 12 15:52:46 epic: [2013-09-12 16:37:45] sipping coke and eating corn flips [2013-09-12 16:38:27] sniffing coke and watching porn clips? Sep 12 15:53:30 sixwheeledbeast: absolutely! Sep 12 15:56:19 Any reason why you have posted your lock code hash o.O Sep 12 15:58:19 try to john it! ;-P Sep 12 15:58:48 ...while a giggle Sep 12 15:59:02 s/ a / I / Sep 12 15:59:04 DocScrutinizer05 meant: ...while I giggle Sep 12 16:01:24 I would have but I removed john when I cracked all my/my friends lockcodes :) Sep 12 16:02:54 I'd be surprised it *that* hash actually could get cracked at all, and I'd be more than just curious about the clear text password it finds for that hash Sep 12 16:03:41 then OTOH I wouldn't mind you finding out about my device lockcode Sep 12 16:03:56 it's actually unset anyway Sep 12 16:04:27 and probably the hash above been hash for the default "12345" Sep 12 16:05:44 before I censored it ;-) Sep 12 16:06:33 by the way Sep 12 16:06:40 can't we get shadow passwords like any real linux distro? Sep 12 16:06:53 err, in theory yes Sep 12 16:07:36 "like a real multi-user linux" you meant Sep 12 16:07:53 It's a shame these lockcodes aren't alpha-numeric john would take a lifetime to calculate. Sep 12 16:08:25 doesn't matter Sep 12 16:08:49 if you can read out lockcode hash, you have full (root) access to device already Sep 12 16:11:53 kerio: first problem: messybox doesn't support shadow Sep 12 16:12:03 isn't it just a matter of libc? Sep 12 16:12:10 afaik nope Sep 12 16:12:11 http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Closed_Packages Sep 12 16:12:25 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1373878&postcount=20 Sep 12 16:12:51 so now we have a place to start collecting more info on what to do with the various closed packages going forward Sep 12 16:13:11 jonwil: great! :-D Sep 12 16:13:29 yes I suppose. I was thinking from a stolen device perspective. Sep 12 16:13:52 stolen device has no access to dev/mtd1 Sep 12 16:14:27 unless you use rescueOS, and thenm you don't need lockcode anymore Sep 12 16:14:29 Feel free to read what I put and provide your own thoughts (editing the wiki page or posting in the tmo thread) Sep 12 16:14:47 stolen device has every access to everything Sep 12 16:14:49 that's the way! Sep 12 16:14:57 thanks jonwil! Sep 12 16:16:16 likely there are others who know more about the intended hardware architecture of the Neo900 (and the hardware architecture of the GTA04) than I do and can identify for example if the USB stack is different (requiring us to clone/replace the USB status bar widget) or if its close enough that differences can be handled in kernel or other lower-level open bits Sep 12 16:16:48 I will check Sep 12 16:16:52 or for example just how different the camera system will be (and therefore which bits of the camera system we need to replace) Sep 12 16:17:01 or whatever Sep 12 16:17:10 for USB the differences as seen in userland are negligible Sep 12 16:17:11 anyhow, I have done what I can at this point re that list Sep 12 16:17:28 thanks! :-) Sep 12 16:17:36 will neo900 support OTG/host mode? Sep 12 16:17:37 * DocScrutinizer05 has to run Sep 12 16:17:40 bbl Sep 12 16:17:55 jonwil: yes, natively, like beagleboard Sep 12 16:18:15 even with proper AB-receptacle Sep 12 16:18:35 should work OOTB with mainline kernel Sep 12 16:18:40 see, that might mean that replacing the USB status bar widget is necessary so as to support host mode in it too :) Sep 12 16:18:52 just for one example of why we need to examine that list and figure stuff out :) Sep 12 16:19:21 yep Sep 12 16:19:43 just that current USB widget doesn't support any hostmode at all Sep 12 16:19:58 bbl Sep 12 16:20:08 does the gta04 have usb otg? or some more proper host mode Sep 12 16:20:46 OTG Sep 12 16:20:58 see the very fine manual! Sep 12 16:21:08 well, we don't even need UI for that, do we Sep 12 16:41:18 Hi, is there any way to know user account creation time? Sep 12 16:53:21 a long shot: ls -ld /home/ Sep 12 17:00:06 ls -ld $HOME ? Sep 12 17:00:26 wouldn't that show the date of the last modified file under $HOME/* Sep 12 17:00:38 with -d? Sep 12 17:00:42 yes Sep 12 17:00:49 try it! Sep 12 17:00:51 the parent directory date inherits the change Sep 12 17:01:01 oh well Sep 12 17:01:09 you're probably right Sep 12 17:01:17 tried :) Sep 12 17:20:55 o/ Woody14619 Sep 12 17:21:07 Hello :) Sep 12 17:21:20 Interesting: Cannot join ##maemo-admin (Channel is invite only). Sep 12 17:21:45 Changing authentication again? Sep 12 17:22:45 Woody14619: try /cs invite ##maemo-admin Sep 12 17:23:14 (you need to invite yourself to the channel, apparently, if you don't have +I set for your IP or cloak) Sep 12 17:24:22 28-29ChanServ28- You are not authorized to perform this operation Sep 12 17:27:02 Could just be a I need to reauth. Been on a while. I need to reboot the PC in a minute anyway after MS installs it's crapware/updates. :P Sep 12 17:27:36 Ugh... 7 of 23? This is going to take a while. Sep 12 17:27:47 Woody14619: indeed; reauth your nick and you should be able to get in. Sep 12 17:27:55 only 23? ;-) Sep 12 17:28:21 I had a laptop that I hadn't used for a few months and when I had to boot it up a while ago, it ended up installing like 50 updates Sep 12 17:30:04 How I know Winblows has been improving: It's been running almost 3 weeks solid w/o a reboot. Only ~200 more to almost be a viable server OS! :P Sep 12 17:31:10 Sigh.. 13 of 23. Right, time to get coffee. :P BBL. Sep 12 17:31:14 three /weeks/? consider me impressed -- I'm lucky if mine doesn't overheat when I try to play games from the 90s ;-) (it's not completely Windows' fault, but eh, still) Sep 12 17:33:05 Win7 is actually pretty usable... Have to say, best thing since 98 in my book. But then that's like comparing apples and jumbo-jets. xD Sep 12 17:46:36 Woody14619: you need to be authenticated Sep 12 17:48:19 [2013-09-12 19:48:05] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : Sep 09 07:18:29 2013 (3 days, 10:29:36 ago) Sep 12 17:53:28 odd... Time to reboot. :) Sep 12 18:00:27 sixwheeledbeast: I'm gonna check it out Sep 12 18:00:45 k Sep 12 18:02:34 (sorry for the late response, I didn't open the chat client until now) Sep 12 18:10:58 I'm not sure I have that repo enabled Sep 12 18:18:18 sixwheeledbeast: how do I enable that repo? :S Sep 12 18:19:16 please pastebin your Catalogues from HAM Sep 12 18:20:19 http://pastebin.com/iG9iBkg6 Sep 12 18:24:20 if you give me the repository address, I'll add it myself :-) Sep 12 18:25:25 marcdeop: you are missing the stock nokia SSU repo also extras-testing is best to be disabled after use. Sep 12 18:26:35 can you provide me the repository adress? Sep 12 18:27:16 is this it? https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps Sep 12 18:27:54 no thats the apps one. Sep 12 18:29:17 "https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203" for me, but possibly because I am on UK variant Sep 12 18:29:20 it doesn't really matter, it gives me Access Denied Sep 12 18:30:01 should be in base repo. Change your N900 system date to 2011 Sep 12 18:30:18 DocScrutinizer05: what would that make? Sep 12 18:30:48 fix the damn "key expired" issue Nokia so brilliantly introduced with their repo Sep 12 18:30:57 you can flash (like i did) too Sep 12 18:31:20 stoh into the blue, maybe it works, maybe not Sep 12 18:31:28 shot* Sep 12 18:31:55 http://privatepaste.com/b8754767ab Sep 12 18:33:19 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ no damn .deb Sep 12 18:34:06 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/p/pcre3/libpcre3_6.7-1osso1+r1_armel.deb Sep 12 18:34:42 W: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages The requested URL returned error: 404 Sep 12 18:34:51 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ Sep 12 18:34:59 marcdeop: you will be rejected on a web browser Sep 12 18:35:08 that's from "apt-get update" Sep 12 18:35:16 I installed through dpkg -i Sep 12 18:35:19 downloads.maemo.nokia.com :-S Sep 12 18:35:38 and now I can install syncevolution Sep 12 18:35:53 they're going to scrap the maemo repos, eh? Sep 12 18:35:54 still... how on earth could I enable the proper repo? Sep 12 18:36:11 well... nokia is not Microsoft, isn't it? Sep 12 18:36:34 s/not/now Sep 12 18:36:50 I can download from the Nokia SSU repo fine here. Sep 12 18:36:51 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ Sep 12 18:37:43 Even with expiredkeys it just asks you are you sure again Sep 12 18:37:52 :nod: Sep 12 18:39:17 if you have added the correct repo and distribution sections in HAM, it should have worked fine with "apt-get install syncevo*" Sep 12 18:39:41 distribution is "./" FWIW Sep 12 18:40:10 sixwheeledbeast: that I did not have Sep 12 18:41:43 * sixwheeledbeast wonders why the Nokia SSU and Nokia Apps was missing in the first place... Sep 12 18:42:02 I can't delete them from HAM on my device. Sep 12 18:42:50 WOW, that's what I call a flat battery: 3 times dim red flashing, then it went into steady amber emergency charge Sep 12 18:43:09 before it booted to charging mode after 20s Sep 12 18:43:29 the 3 dim short flashes though are the interesting bit Sep 12 18:43:46 bq24150 battery-present test failed Sep 12 18:44:59 probably the gracious donor should have removed battery before sending the device ;-) Sep 12 18:45:27 tbh I'm amazed it charges at all, now Sep 12 18:45:52 * DocScrutinizer05 marks the battery with a huge "?" Sep 12 18:47:01 ~flatbatrecover Sep 12 18:47:01 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Sep 12 18:47:04 ? Sep 12 18:54:05 yep Sep 12 18:55:39 I've never seen flatbat steady amber last longer than max 60s Sep 12 19:05:40 freemangordon: Pali: Have you seen https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=7070&group_id=1528&atid=5523 and https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=7071&group_id=1528&atid=5523 ? Sep 12 19:06:18 no Sep 12 19:06:49 will look at it Sep 12 19:07:25 Pali: Seriously? I submitted both of them almost 1 month ago. :/ Sep 12 19:07:45 I did not get any email notification Sep 12 19:08:01 freemangordon: garage email notifications not working Sep 12 19:08:25 and I cannot find download button for file dm9601_backport_all_product_entries_added_to_mainline_kernel_as_of_2013-08-15.patch Sep 12 19:11:25 Pali: OK. Please include my 2 patches in the next kernel-power release. Sep 12 19:11:40 I cannot download them Sep 12 19:12:16 garage is broken Sep 12 19:12:22 I cannot download patches Sep 12 19:12:23 :( Sep 12 19:12:28 download buttons missing Sep 12 19:12:47 Pali: Are you logged into https://garage.maemo.org/ ? Sep 12 19:12:52 yes Sep 12 19:12:59 I can close bug Sep 12 19:13:13 and change subject Sep 12 19:13:16 and other options Sep 12 19:13:23 but not download that file Sep 12 19:14:37 "No Files Currently Attached" Sep 12 19:14:51 "File Added 983: dm9601_backport_all_product_entries_added_to_mainline_kernel_as_of_2013-08-15.patch" Sep 12 19:17:56 brolin_empey: send those via e-mail, we might not be able to fix garage soon Sep 12 19:18:43 by the way sixwheeledbeast and DocScrutinizer05: http://pastebin.com/G6Pe1UEk Sep 12 19:19:58 yep that looks good now. obviously normal warnings on extras-devel content. Sep 12 19:22:28 that's alright ;-) Sep 12 19:22:33 I need it to install syncevolution Sep 12 19:22:44 otherwise can't sync my webdav/caldav Sep 12 19:22:53 it's failing anyway :( Sep 12 19:23:31 sixwheeledbeast: it was obviously a mistake on my side ;-) Sep 12 19:24:30 ~pkg Sep 12 19:24:30 i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Sep 12 19:25:36 :nod: seems another packages stuck in devel Sep 12 19:27:12 Not intending to hijack the conversation, but what's the deal with gtalk/telepathy stopping to work every now and then? I can't remember what I had to do the last time to fix it or if it just started to work on its own. All I do remember is that it didn't work for at least for a couple of weeks. Sep 12 19:28:23 it starts with "g" - not my business ;-D Sep 12 19:29:40 gmail, gtalk, gconf Sep 12 19:42:37 freemangordon: Pali: Please see the comment I posted on both of the issues. Sep 12 19:46:50 ok Sep 12 20:00:36 brolin_empey: patches looks ok, only adding new usb ids, this could be safe Sep 12 20:00:54 I will test if kernel working and then push changes to kernel-power garage git Sep 12 20:04:23 Pali: OK, thank you. Sep 12 20:28:55 brolin_empey: thank you for adding those ethernet peripherals to the list of supported USB devices Sep 12 20:31:18 though I think somebody close to Linus has to put on his hat, stomp his rod, and announce that *all* kernel usb driver modules need to support ID= parameter Sep 12 20:32:04 DocScrutinizer05: On n900 I'm using usb ethernet adapter mcs7830.ko with 802.1X authentification via wpa_supplicant :D Sep 12 20:32:19 I had same friggin problem et least 5 times so far, with all sorts of USB devices Sep 12 20:32:47 DocScrutinizer05: how you want to identify usb device if not via usb ID? Sep 12 20:32:58 always going to binary-patch the *.ko sucks donkeyballs Sep 12 20:33:10 Pali: eh? Sep 12 20:33:18 you need ID param Sep 12 20:33:21 of course via USB ID Sep 12 20:33:29 otherwise you do not want which driver to use Sep 12 20:33:38 you completely missed my point, I think Sep 12 20:33:45 so? Sep 12 20:33:57 modprobe acme Sep 12 20:34:19 kernel acme: USB ID aaaa:bbbb not found Sep 12 20:34:37 modprobe acme ID=aaaf:bbbb Sep 12 20:34:56 kernel acme: detecte3d acme controller at bus 1:2 Sep 12 20:35:23 hm... Sep 12 20:35:40 so far I always had to binary-patch aaaa to aaaf in acme.ko Sep 12 20:35:50 this is not enough, because drivers has some "data" for usb ids Sep 12 20:35:58 brolin_empey's patches are all the same issue Sep 12 20:36:03 as part of platform_driver structure Sep 12 20:36:26 Pali: I don't see that Sep 12 20:36:27 but right, for similar patch there should be easy way... Sep 12 20:36:45 I patched acme.ko from 0xaaaa to 0xaaaf and it worked Sep 12 20:37:26 data are needed only for some drivers and sometimes "data" structure is same for set of devices Sep 12 20:37:39 that's my point Sep 12 20:38:04 there should be way to force kernel to register usb device (with data) to usb driver via sysfs Sep 12 20:38:10 i2c bus has this support Sep 12 20:38:15 via sysfs Sep 12 20:38:27 when same chip using different USB manuf:product ID, then why the heck can't I tell driver about that change when I already know it Sep 12 20:38:58 Stuff likr davicom drivers have lists of hundreds of usb IDs anyways. What usually happens is random manufacturer decides to make a davicom device, buys the chips, put them on a board, and add a random ID so that user is forced to use the driver they supply, instead of using a competitor's driver. Sep 12 20:39:12 DocScrutinizer05: really it is not possible to do via sysfs? Sep 12 20:39:29 ShadowJK: exactly Sep 12 20:39:44 (then when people discover that manufacturer's device is broken, the IDs are changed yet again so people think they fixed it) Sep 12 20:39:54 I know that it is possible to force some i2c device to connect to some i2c driver Sep 12 20:40:52 DocScrutinizer05: You are welcome. Sep 12 20:41:07 I used that to connect i2c temperature sensor found on nvidia graphics card when proprietary nvidia driver did not registered sensor itself Sep 12 20:41:14 USB drivers basically do a lsusb and search for the manuf:product tuple Sep 12 20:41:38 and it worked without problem Sep 12 20:41:47 until I turned off X server Sep 12 20:42:23 nvidia has fucking drivers: for kernel i2c access you must start X server Sep 12 20:42:28 if the manuf:prod doesn't match what the fsckng driver has hardcoded in ints guts, it refuses to servie that device Sep 12 20:43:08 this is the most stupid thing which I have ever seen. Sep 12 20:43:39 check brolin_empey's patches (I didn't since I think I know almost to the char what they provide) Sep 12 20:44:25 what I demand is a way to "patch" that list of known manuf:prod at kernel module load time Sep 12 20:44:40 via kernel cmdline parameter Sep 12 20:44:55 s/kernel/module/ Sep 12 20:44:55 DocScrutinizer05 meant: via module cmdline parameter Sep 12 20:45:08 modprobe acme ID=aaaf:bbbb Sep 12 20:45:26 you can try to explain this to usb subsystem maintainer (Greg K-H) Sep 12 20:45:35 eeew Sep 12 20:45:47 though K-H seems to be a cute guy Sep 12 20:45:50 I bet that he reject it :D Sep 12 20:46:09 I bet I have some days real fun then Sep 12 20:46:27 I remember how he closed all usb bugs in bugzilla Sep 12 20:46:44 I'll publish an auto-binpatcher for kernel module ID lists Sep 12 20:46:55 reason: rather report bugs to ML, bugzilla is not how I want to read bugs... Sep 12 20:46:56 integrated into modprobe X-P Sep 12 20:47:05 :D Sep 12 20:47:52 or rather, a wrapper kernel module Sep 12 20:48:12 DocScrutinizer05: you can use ksplice :-) and patch ids in live kernel too Sep 12 20:48:14 that takes the fsckng usb kernel module and the ID to patch in, as parameters Sep 12 20:48:54 does ksplice work for all platforms now? FOSS? Sep 12 20:49:28 last I checked I seem to recall it was some connercial crap that wasn't working at least on ARM Sep 12 20:49:33 I think ksplice working only for x86 Sep 12 20:49:38 exactly Sep 12 20:49:45 but it is open source Sep 12 20:49:50 mhm Sep 12 20:49:53 maybe new versions are closed... Sep 12 20:49:55 whatever, it's useless Sep 12 20:49:58 but old version worked Sep 12 20:50:14 no x86 in my phone, EVAAARRRR Sep 12 20:50:22 and was fully open source Sep 12 20:50:22 DocScrutinizer05: just emulate x86, jeez Sep 12 20:50:27 LOL Sep 12 20:50:37 :D:D Sep 12 20:50:41 vmware? Sep 12 20:50:47 qemu Sep 12 20:50:51 kvm, surely Sep 12 20:51:01 wait, does that do translation? Sep 12 20:51:01 XEN Sep 12 20:51:03 kvm is only for 64bit arm Sep 12 20:51:09 k Sep 12 20:51:13 then qemu, i guess Sep 12 20:51:23 vmware working on system running on qemu running on system running on xen Sep 12 20:51:33 nah, vmware is closed Sep 12 20:51:41 to take advantage of each of those platforms Sep 12 20:51:44 I'm sure I seen vmware for N810 Sep 12 20:51:55 but they never shipped it Sep 12 20:51:57 was it virtualbox maybe? Sep 12 20:52:00 errr N800? Sep 12 20:52:00 oh Sep 12 20:52:02 vmware is unconfigurable crap with eats all of ram Sep 12 20:52:10 it was qemu image :-) Sep 12 20:52:20 I have it somewhere... Sep 12 20:52:40 there are both n800 and n810 Sep 12 20:52:43 * DocScrutinizer05 summons his bookmark magic Sep 12 20:53:31 google for Marcin Juszkiewicz Nokia N800 emulation Sep 12 20:53:38 and Nokia N8x0 emulation part II Sep 12 20:53:45 and Emulating a Nokia N800 with QEMU Sep 12 20:54:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ Sep 12 20:54:24 and you need mtd generator from: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky/plain/scripts/poky-nokia800-flashutil?h=elroy Sep 12 20:57:34 wonder why the heck VMWare never came up with it Sep 12 20:57:47 because it was probably a piece of shit Sep 12 20:58:09 because it was *vmware*! Sep 12 20:58:49 virtualbox has oracle logos all over Sep 12 20:58:57 which makes me really uncomfortable in using it Sep 12 20:58:59 * DocScrutinizer05 burrps and wonders if there's a real live out there, at this domain >2m away from this PC Sep 12 21:00:57 this is reason why I do not trust virtualbox --> it is oracle product Sep 12 21:01:24 it's opensource Sep 12 21:03:18 kerio: but controlled by oracle Sep 12 21:03:58 like openoffice, mysql, java, ksplice... Sep 12 21:04:17 look what happened with all these products... Sep 12 21:04:26 well they just bought ksplice, didn't they Sep 12 21:04:37 it used to be a startup Sep 12 21:05:13 what happened to all those products: all the FOSS devels got pissed, while oracle hoped to improve their image by supporting the project? Sep 12 21:05:13 yes, they bought all those projects Sep 12 21:06:36 but maybe it was just that oracle needed some decent working software and didn't want to foss-share the improvements they implement for their cistomers Sep 12 21:07:11 the foss community got pissed and abandoned the project, and oracle been left behind with their codedrop Sep 12 21:08:26 remind me, how started starwriter? (pre-staroffice? pre-pre-openoffice?) Sep 12 21:08:43 staroffice? Sep 12 21:08:48 I really do not remember Sep 12 21:09:02 I seem to recall some geek stashing packages with floppies on his stairs in his house Sep 12 21:10:23 Marco Börries Sep 12 21:10:36 Star Division Sep 12 21:11:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarWriter_(word_processor) Sep 12 21:12:51 "The German company StarDivision in Lüneburg (founded by 16-year-old Marco Börries in 1984)..." Sep 12 21:15:43 evening all :) Sep 12 21:15:51 thp: ping Sep 12 21:17:25 I used starwriter on CPC6128 back in the early 80s Sep 12 21:17:34 mid 80s, ok Sep 12 21:17:51 hi Doc Sep 12 21:23:59 thp: I'll ask in #pyside Sep 12 21:25:16 hi lardman, long time no see :-9 Sep 12 21:26:20 got to leave, some new N900 owner and future Neo900 owner asked for a personal interview ;-) Sep 12 21:26:36 in the pub next door Sep 12 21:27:53 hey DocScrutinizer05, yeah sorry has been busy, will have to catch up Sep 12 21:28:00 enjoy the pub! :) Sep 12 21:29:45 will do Sep 12 21:30:43 * lardman will try to make sure he's back online next week Sep 12 21:33:29 lardman: pong Sep 12 21:35:37 hey thp Sep 12 21:35:48 I wanted to ask about pyside under Android Sep 12 21:37:28 not sure whether this is now in the past for you - I see your recommendation to look at M4rtinK's page (who just quit, who'd have thought ;)) Sep 12 21:38:17 I'm interested in a python 3.x (3) version, and was wondering if there's a reason no-one's produced one yet Sep 12 21:39:05 maybe lack of intwerest? Sep 12 21:39:31 hey, you should be concentrating on the bar! Sep 12 21:39:55 but yeah, perhaps, I just wanted to see whether I'd be wasting my time/work out what I'm getting into Sep 12 21:40:35 I've decided to move from MATLAB to Python at work, and it would be good to be able to run the same(ish) code on my desktop and Android tablet Sep 12 21:41:58 It seems Doc has left his ~2 of workstation... Sep 12 21:43:06 he's probably trying to decide which local ale to buy :) Sep 12 21:43:40 lardman: compile python, run python Sep 12 21:43:42 i guess Sep 12 21:44:21 mmm, I fancy a beer but must resist until tomorrow Sep 12 21:45:14 sixwheeledbeast: indeed Sep 12 21:47:07 No need to wonder any more ;) Sep 12 21:49:21 kerio: yeah, but you have to cross-compile for Android anyway, and not sure re pyside Sep 12 21:49:47 I'm hopeful that's the case though, in which case I'll crack on Sep 12 22:10:31 ~seen robbiethe1st Sep 12 22:10:38 robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-52-17-221.cral.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 20h 6m 45s ago, saying: 'I haven't used it myself, but I know a number of people who use cssu with backupmenu; backupmenu works at a very low level'. Sep 12 22:31:24 hah, beer and internet, nice Sep 12 22:34:01 sid wants to help with FPTF Sep 12 22:34:53 after 4 years of maemo abstinence, he got fed up with anything less Sep 12 22:35:03 ~ping Sep 12 22:35:04 ~pong Sep 12 23:00:35 hey aap Sep 12 23:18:26 great, they're killing us here, with dioxin and vinyl cloride Sep 12 23:18:55 * DocScrutinizer05 searches for his gas mask Sep 12 23:19:29 DocScrutinizer05: just admit it, you just farted Sep 12 23:20:09 http://leitstelle-nuernberg.de/einsaetze-stadt-nuernberg/2488-großbrand-in-nürnberger-industriegebiet.html Sep 12 23:28:35 it's annoying that 6h after the fire started, you still think you may suffocate when you open the window Sep 12 23:29:47 lots of plastic and other shit burning, furniture warehouse Sep 12 23:30:26 not even filtering the air through cigarettes helps Sep 12 23:31:45 they informed the residents VIA RADIO BROADCAST not to leave their homes and keep windows closed. *great* Sep 12 23:32:16 :( Sep 12 23:32:36 sounds like "duck and cover", and "watch the public blackboard at your local market place!" Sep 12 23:36:44 http://www.nordbayern.de/nuernberger-nachrichten Sep 12 23:39:33 "30,000 telephones burning" EH? Sep 12 23:41:38 not furniture, forwarding agency Sep 12 23:42:08 the phones are for landline ;-P Sep 12 23:43:23 * DocScrutinizer05 thinks sufficient amonts of orange juice deluted with vodka might help to remedy the toxic fumes Sep 12 23:47:50 ~#maemo hot is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373878#post1373878 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373762#post1373762 Sep 12 23:47:51 DocScrutinizer05: okay Sep 13 00:15:45 no more ice cubes :-S Sep 13 00:37:49 Moo, MohammadAG **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 13 02:59:58 2013