**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 16 02:59:59 2013 Sep 16 03:00:01 but the introspection xml states it returns a string of chars Sep 16 03:00:08 i.e. normal string Sep 16 03:00:34 ok, please document these differences on the wiki somwhere Sep 16 03:01:13 i'm collecting the info in a git repo for now Sep 16 03:01:27 ok Sep 16 03:01:54 All this stuff needs to be public so that others (like me) can see the info you are collecting :) Sep 16 03:02:08 jonwil: it will be :) Sep 16 03:02:14 ok great Sep 16 03:02:43 jonwil: is it you who collected xml and header files at http://www.cncmods.net/files/dbus/ ? Sep 16 03:02:56 yes it is Sep 16 03:02:58 that is my site Sep 16 03:03:00 :) Sep 16 03:03:02 :) Sep 16 03:05:48 Geez, PCB/SMT rework is not cheap :/ $119 for n9 but the same mob that offers fixing of n9 has no price tag for N900 in regards to replacing/reworking the microUSB receptacle. To me I would say it would be easier to just estimate based on how much it would cost to rework n9's microUSB receptacle and therefore $119 for just one N900 to be repaired. The more you have.. well the more it'll cost. Joy-o Sep 16 03:05:48 -joy. Sep 16 03:10:15 nedko: I just ran some dbus-send on com.nokia.csd.info and all those methods seem to match up except for that one you found Sep 16 03:14:02 jonwil: ok Sep 16 03:14:45 My guess is that that one method was changed but the type signature wasn't changed Sep 16 03:15:02 is that the only discrepancy you have found so far? Sep 16 03:21:41 jonwil: so far yes Sep 16 03:21:46 ok Sep 16 03:30:33 actually, I cant confirm what GetHWVersion returns as it returned an error in my test Sep 16 03:40:51 god I hate ARM reverse engineering Sep 16 03:51:38 ...Shouldn't any chip come with a proper datasheet which details all of the opcodes and other important bits? Sep 16 03:55:17 robbiethe1st: hmm? Sep 16 03:56:58 ought, maybe Sep 16 04:38:59 I have the instruction set reference Sep 16 04:39:14 but its still annoying to figure out just what is going on Sep 16 04:39:22 especially when dealing with data structures, functions and such Sep 16 04:41:09 time to get the cellular services daemon into GDB :) Sep 16 06:16:40 Just updated http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_dbus and the matching data files. Added info on com.nokia.csd.call.conference, com.nokia.phone.sim, com.nokia.phone.sim.security and com.nokia.phone.sim.phonebook. Also corrected the xml file for com.nokia.csd.info. Sep 16 06:16:56 call.conference info came from dbus introspection Sep 16 06:18:03 the com.nokia.phone.sim.* info was created by me by hand from info in libcsd-sim.so, libcsd-simpb.so and from running things through dbus-send and watching the output Sep 16 07:11:20 blah Sep 16 07:11:31 wish maemo had a better fics client Sep 16 07:11:38 miniture isnt that good Sep 16 08:05:13 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/16/in_massive_surprise_worlddog_discovers_nokia_checked_out_android/ Sep 16 08:16:35 DocScrutinizer05: but that is not without binary blob though Sep 16 11:18:28 hi, what if a package partly removed and it is actually broken. What can I do to fix it, namely john - the Lockcode recoveror. Sep 16 11:21:08 reinstall is actually not possible Sep 16 11:32:26 just looking at Replicant page (http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/ReplicantStatus#Replicant-23) and the support for GTA04 is BAD. No WiFi, BT, 3D Graphics... maybe someone (such as DocScrutinizer05) could contact replicant / NITDroid team to ask for help. Sep 16 11:35:33 lexik_ntb: not enough manpower Sep 16 11:35:43 there are no technical limitations that prevent it from happen Sep 16 11:35:53 AFAIK it was just one developer working on GTA04 support in Replicant Sep 16 11:48:04 dos1: :-/ Sep 16 12:34:52 https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:N900_The_Perfect_Setup#Repositories Sep 16 12:35:09 can anybody explain me what is extras-devel-light and why is it with so low priority? Sep 16 12:37:28 extras-devel-light only contains the latest versions Sep 16 12:37:52 If i'm right :P Sep 16 12:38:26 And it maybe doesn't have the packages that are already in extras but I am not sure Sep 16 12:47:39 MrPingu: so if it contains the latest versions, why the hell does it have lower priority? Sep 16 12:47:53 I was wondering why all of my packages are outdated.. Now I see Sep 16 12:48:26 smscon sent 30 sms messages, dunno why, my sim was added to the list Sep 16 13:22:22 hello everybody :) Sep 16 13:22:35 I am trying to install git-core on my n900 Sep 16 13:22:42 apt-get install git-core Sep 16 13:22:47 gives me: Sep 16 13:23:15 unmet dependencies: Sep 16 13:23:53 git-core: depends: git(> 1:1.7.0.2) but it is not going to be install Sep 16 13:23:57 installed** Sep 16 13:24:08 I tried the -f switch Sep 16 13:24:27 and the same error happens Sep 16 13:24:34 i would try doing apt-get install git to see what is holding back its installation... Sep 16 13:24:43 now when i try: apt-get install git Sep 16 13:25:20 git: Depends: perl-modules but it is not installable Sep 16 13:25:44 Depends: liberror-perl but it is not going to be installed Sep 16 13:25:58 E: Broken packages Sep 16 13:26:19 and when I try: apt-get install perl-modules Sep 16 13:27:19 "Package perl-modules is not available, but is referred to by another package" Sep 16 13:27:43 http://wiki.maemo.org/Perl Sep 16 13:27:55 "This may mean the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source: Sep 16 13:27:56 " Sep 16 13:28:22 thedead1440 , can I install perl-modules from there?? Sep 16 13:28:30 check your repositories? Sep 16 13:29:27 Mike11: i don't know; a simple google search showed it and also referenced to an old thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=425262&postcount=2) which explained that perl-modules may fill up your rootfs space Sep 16 13:29:52 Sysaxed: ONLY the latest packages, not all previous versions like the other extras-devel does Sep 16 13:38:57 thanks thedead1440 , I ran into this page too, but couldn't find a link to download the package , thanks for your help anyway Sep 16 13:38:59 :) Sep 16 13:39:47 RiD , I have the maemo.org, maemo.org extras-testing, maemo.org extras-devel Sep 16 13:40:08 RiD, but nokia repositories are not working from my location :( Sep 16 13:40:16 RiD, do i need it?? Sep 16 13:45:56 i don't know :/ Sep 16 13:51:24 apt preferences: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-09-16-165032_940x340_scrot.png and here is apt-cache policy: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-09-16-165115_940x340_scrot.png Sep 16 13:51:29 how can I install the latest version? Sep 16 13:57:49 MrPingu: you're back, my savior! Sep 16 13:58:03 !logs Sep 16 13:58:05 logs? Sep 16 13:58:16 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Sep 16 13:59:04 MrPingu: read it! :) Sep 16 14:00:28 hello everybody Sep 16 14:00:36 following a forum post in maemo.org Sep 16 14:00:44 I'd like to ask for "Fremantle Porting Task Force", is it organized? Sep 16 14:00:49 may I help somehow? Sep 16 14:01:28 Sysaxed: ONLY the latest packages, not all previous versions like the other extras-devel does Sep 16 14:04:47 Sysaxed: anymore questions? Did I miss something? Sep 16 14:07:35 marcdeop: sure you can help, if you can reverse engineering or so.. http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting << good start point Sep 16 14:07:52 reverse engineering? good lorg :S Sep 16 14:08:22 I can bareley pass as a programmer... reverse engineering? I think it's out of my leage :'( Sep 16 14:09:46 programmer? also welcome :D (i have no idea about RE etc.) which language? Sep 16 14:10:13 in my opinion C is the best, just guessing.. Sep 16 14:10:58 best == most useful in this case Sep 16 14:11:26 I was saying I'm not good enough ;-) Sep 16 14:11:34 and my C is really rusty Sep 16 14:13:04 in my opinion the biggest challenge for Fre(e)mantle porting taskforce (FPT) are the closed-source packages which have been written especially for N900 Sep 16 14:18:49 MrPingu: yes Sep 16 14:18:56 whoo, got disconnected Sep 16 14:19:40 (16:51:23) Sysaxed: apt preferences: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-09-16-165032_940x340_scrot.png and here is apt-cache policy: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-09-16-165115_940x340_scrot.png Sep 16 14:19:40 (16:51:28) Sysaxed: how can I install the latest version? Sep 16 14:19:56 lexik_ntb: you are right Sep 16 14:20:22 I can install it manually, yes, but most of my packages are outdated, how can I make it work by default? Why these have 500 priority? Is it the default value? Sep 16 14:21:34 What does HAM say? the default app manager? Sep 16 14:34:34 Sysaxed: Personally, I would just use normal repo setup with CSSU-thumb Sep 16 14:44:25 MrPingu: says that there are no updates Sep 16 14:50:03 MrPingu: but the point is to have thumb packages with higher priority Sep 16 15:11:44 I'm running thumb on normal setup, and you only have to wait or priortize when theres a new cssu-t update Sep 16 15:12:20 MrPingu: I don't get it Sep 16 15:13:02 What I am saying is that thumb only affects cssu softwares Sep 16 15:13:02 like, if somebody throws a new updated package to non-thumb repository, wouldn't it replace my thumb version? Sep 16 15:13:35 There's no thumb extras repository, is there? Sep 16 15:25:35 grr...busybox cat command has zero advanced functionality Sep 16 15:25:41 ~messybox Sep 16 15:25:41 somebody said messybox was messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Sep 16 15:30:52 i find busybox does what I want to do fine Sep 16 15:30:52 as I said, I use busybox-power though Sep 16 15:35:00 well, then the guy who compiled your busybox simply left out those "advanced functionality". it's not messybox's fault. Sep 16 15:36:54 * Arkenoi does not understand what is the point of using busybox on todays hardware. With 2Mb flash and 2Mb RAM it could make sense, but now it is just stupid. Sep 16 15:37:01 sorted used sed instead :) Sep 16 15:38:59 busybox makes a simpler system Sep 16 15:39:25 just one robust tool handles almost everything Sep 16 15:39:29 yep. Sep 16 15:40:41 busybox doesn't bother implementing bloat that gnu adds - it's redundant when you can use a better, different tool for the task Sep 16 15:41:02 and the massive gnu bloat counts, even on modern systems Sep 16 15:41:17 busybox based systems are lighter to start, use less resources, etc Sep 16 15:51:34 who cares about that "bloat" on nowdays hardware? It made difference when operating frequencies where two-number megaherzes and memory size one or two number megabytes Sep 16 15:56:16 why not run windows vista on that pentium 3? Sep 16 15:56:28 especially on phones, performance matters Sep 16 15:56:41 (especially when performance is key for good power usage) Sep 16 15:57:43 bash installed on N900 causes no performance loss that I know about. Sep 16 16:00:29 nah, it rather gets you a performance boost Sep 16 16:08:52 mashina: busybox is a piece of shit Sep 16 16:14:50 no your coreutils Sep 16 16:29:46 sure Sep 16 16:32:10 sixwheeledbeast: why would it cause any effect on performance? Sep 16 16:32:18 mashina: go ahead tell my about process 1234, using your busybox crappy ps Sep 16 16:32:45 hey DocScrutinizer05, could you be so kind to help me? :) Sep 16 16:32:46 sure you can try to find out about everything of that process, using /proc Sep 16 16:32:49 Sysaxed: exactly Sep 16 16:32:51 apt preferences: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-09-16-165032_940x340_scrot.png and here is apt-cache policy: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-09-16-165115_940x340_scrot.png Sep 16 16:33:13 how can I update this (and other) packages? MrPingu suggested removing preferences file... Sep 16 16:33:19 Sysaxed: help on what? Sep 16 16:35:29 HAM says that no updates are available Sep 16 16:36:05 And I was following https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:N900_The_Perfect_Setup when configuring apt preferences Sep 16 16:40:20 Should there be updates in HAM? Sep 16 16:40:53 https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:N900_The_Perfect_Setup is not any official recommendation. I dunno if and which bugs it may contain Sep 16 16:45:19 DocScrutinizer05: so should I forget about preferences file? Sep 16 16:45:30 Yes... hmm the "Talk:" version is definitely questionable on stability, this should ideally be in "User:" Sep 16 16:46:36 User: is for a user's page Sep 16 16:46:46 you'll have to put it in User:SomeDude/page Sep 16 16:46:49 exactly Sep 16 16:48:41 it is "someusers" idea whereas the Main page was written/edited to be a beginner friendly recommendation way by me. Sep 16 17:01:11 btw wtf about TALK[!!!]:N900_The_Perfect_Setup Sep 16 17:01:30 this definitely is NO talk: page by content Sep 16 17:02:34 please clean that up! Sep 16 17:03:11 on talk: there's supposed to be comments on the main page's content Sep 16 17:03:38 not a whole alternative phantom wiki mainpage style content Sep 16 17:05:09 you can tell from the name of the link to talk: in mainpage's navigation menu: "Discussion" Sep 16 17:12:22 cleaned it Sep 16 17:12:34 new location: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup/alternative-1 Sep 16 17:27:52 completely agree. Sep 16 21:13:59 could anybody check talk.maemo.org for weird possibly rogue activate.tapatalk.com gif linked in CSS? It looks quite rogue to me and it also causes huge delays and even error requesters for the invalid https cert: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/16/plasma-desktopXw3743.png Sep 16 21:14:08 chem|st: ^^^ Sep 16 21:16:16 warfare: ^^^ Sep 16 21:26:44 DocScrutinizer05: AFAIK tapatalk is some forum plugin which makes browsing it easier on some mobile devices Sep 16 21:27:19 I've seen some request from someone on tmo recently to upgrade it Sep 16 21:27:54 it's da shite Sep 16 21:28:21 dunno, never seen, never used, just heard of it Sep 16 21:28:43 cookie gif with http:// URL that doesn't even have a proper cert Sep 16 21:28:58 well yep, that looks shitty :) Sep 16 21:29:12 and loading of page stalls for 20s sometimes, seems it's related Sep 16 21:29:29 https:// URL even Sep 16 21:29:47 damn, my mouse is dead, in X11 only Sep 16 21:30:13 usb hub? Sep 16 21:31:18 I've had problems with input devices not working in X when connected via hub Sep 16 21:31:50 nah, od /dev/input/event18 works just fine. Only X11 doesn't like it anymore Sep 16 21:31:50 turned out there was some shitty udev rule for some device which internally used chipset of that hub :P Sep 16 21:32:07 yup, it worked in console and /dev/input, just not in X Sep 16 21:32:17 because it wasn't marked by udev as something X should use Sep 16 21:32:34 resurrected it by plug-cycling mouse and switching to console1 and back to 7 Sep 16 21:32:54 fun Sep 16 21:33:17 yeah, indeed Sep 16 21:33:46 anyway, what's your take about Ivgalvez' concerns? Sep 16 21:34:04 meh, everything's going wrong with ebay lately, got a phone stolen on its way here, and the USB-OTG cable i got doesn't appear to do the trick of letting my N900 talk to the RTLSDR :( Sep 16 21:34:09 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308&page=4 Sep 16 21:35:08 LjL: try something simpler first! like a memory stick with a LED that shows when powered Sep 16 21:36:59 DocScrutinizer05: I don't know what's the legal situation behind those binary blobs Sep 16 21:37:25 we don't touch any binary blobs, so what's the problem? Sep 16 21:37:37 you were mentioning here that Maemo was donated to community, together with those blobs Sep 16 21:37:48 or did I understand it wrong? Sep 16 21:38:36 err, well. We got permission from Nokia FOSS evangelist to use and redistribute them in CSSU at least Sep 16 21:38:54 DocScrutinizer05, i tried a small MP3 player, it powers up and even goes into "connected" mode, although i honestly didn't even check whether it got mounted (or could be mounted) anyway... too busy writing people about my stolen phone ;( i'll try a bare USB key now. but anyway, the RTLSDR's LED does light up, it's just that "lsusb" invariably seems to hang up Sep 16 21:39:41 hostmode is tricky Sep 16 21:39:45 I guess no one said that CSSU has to be tied to just one hw platform? Sep 16 21:39:54 anyway, I'm not worried that much about them Sep 16 21:40:05 Nokia branding on cases may be worse Sep 16 21:41:06 yep Sep 16 21:41:17 we need to remove that and place sticker on top Sep 16 21:41:27 no doubt Sep 16 21:41:54 I pondered that since several weeks now Sep 16 21:42:02 stickers shall suffice Sep 16 21:42:47 we might want to photoshop the picture(s) Sep 16 21:43:45 the NOKIA label at screen frame even culd get removed all together Sep 16 21:43:53 could* Sep 16 21:44:58 dos1: for the blobs: we won't ship them, what we ship is an installation script that maybe pulls the image and flasher from the download sites, and requires user to enter valid original N900 IMEI Sep 16 21:45:33 then we unpack and rearrange Sep 16 21:45:41 ...which is very easy to find in google :D Sep 16 21:45:53 not our problem Sep 16 21:46:05 sure, it's advantage ;) Sep 16 22:04:53 found another one similar gif cookie for google-analytics Sep 16 22:05:53 the 20s delay vanished immediately after I posted first rant about tapatalk in here. Sure it's just incidence Sep 16 22:07:01 I nevertheless start to wonder if I need some special setting in my browser to generally forbid such off-site links to get automatically loaded, I don't like them, on any webpage Sep 16 22:09:01 when I browse site Acme.com I geberally don't want to see info provided by site BullshT.com embedded into my original location Sep 16 22:09:43 feels like a general design flaw of html Sep 16 22:11:25 sure I'd also lose all the embedded photos on tmo, for exmple. I'd also not need any AddBlock anymore... which gives me an idea of how to tackle and solve the issue Sep 16 22:15:02 hell, I'm not blocking cookies and hitting escape a 50 times for each crappy page that I browse to, to reject all the cookies it might want to set, just to then get embedded "cookies" in the flavor of or same for adclick.com or google-analytics Sep 16 22:15:48 hi there! Sep 16 22:15:51 hi Sep 16 22:17:11 Win7Mac: how's life? Sep 16 22:17:20 Try Mac OS with little snitch and you'll be surprised how much shit pops up... Sep 16 22:17:25 good, thanks Sep 16 22:17:30 :-) Sep 16 22:18:13 just received ma lenovo for a third time, the LED was ALAWAYS on, they now sent a new one Sep 16 22:18:30 DocScrutinizer05, you seen the ff addon requestpolicy? Sep 16 22:18:37 nope Sep 16 22:19:02 Win7Mac: battery LED? Sep 16 22:19:09 also ghostery maybe Sep 16 22:19:20 wil check them, thanks Sep 16 22:19:32 status LED Sep 16 22:19:42 np Sep 16 22:19:45 err, on even when device off? Sep 16 22:20:04 right, and no pulsing when in sleep Sep 16 22:20:22 hmm, did it stay on when you remove battery? ;-P Sep 16 22:20:42 finally will have a ubuntu install soon... Sep 16 22:20:59 * DocScrutinizer05 suggests to stay away from buntkuh Sep 16 22:21:07 its an edge s430, can't remove battery :( Sep 16 22:21:11 ooh Sep 16 22:21:15 even worse Sep 16 22:21:42 I recently suggested OpenSuse to somebody in here, and he was content with it Sep 16 22:21:44 got it as a demo for <500 Sep 16 22:21:57 ~buntkuh Sep 16 22:21:58 buntkuh is probably http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind Sep 16 22:22:05 with 1 year gewährleistung Sep 16 22:23:02 hmm, good that you got the warranty Sep 16 22:23:19 device not shutting down is... sub-optimal Sep 16 22:23:25 hm Sep 16 22:23:31 is there a way to access ms skydrive in maemo? Sep 16 22:23:39 o.O Sep 16 22:23:54 is there a way to skydive with maemo? Sep 16 22:24:12 well, will have to check if warranty will be available with new laptop. once its 1 year old + you did not extenmd it, it's gone Sep 16 22:24:31 :nod: Sep 16 22:24:57 Macer: nfc, how would you access it on your linux desktop PC? Sep 16 22:25:20 if new one is <1 year, I'll extend it immediately, just need to check if this one is finally ok Sep 16 22:26:37 then place a neat little 265GB mSATA for systems, put a bootloader and it should rocket-fly Sep 16 22:26:44 DocScrutinizer05: i would use a browser. but i figured there may be a way to access it via 3rd party Sep 16 22:26:49 it probably uses webdav not sure tho Sep 16 22:27:08 was hoping for a file manager that supported it but talk about grabbing at straws lol Sep 16 22:29:55 Hi. Anyone knows a good way to detect -thumb installation from bash? Sep 16 22:30:45 Doc, re: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2013-09-15.log.html#t2013-09-15T16:29:09 Sep 16 22:31:18 ...what exactly in these 8 pages? Sep 16 22:32:03 Macer: I also guess it's webdav, if anything Sep 16 22:33:22 Win7Mac: it is about constitution changes and comes with a nice explanation for each law text change, that tells you what that stuff is meant to actually do and why it got introduced Sep 16 22:34:11 I mean, thanks for the link, but I really cannot do this alone in GER + ENG, even without community discussion Sep 16 22:34:33 no one participating :( Sep 16 22:35:04 not exactly what an eV needs... Sep 16 22:36:09 I agree tthough, that bank/paypal and NOK-NDA issues have prio Sep 16 22:37:43 there is no urgent need to take action if we can resolve bank access, I think Sep 16 22:38:26 :nod: Sep 16 22:38:34 BTW, Rob called HiFo a charitable Foundation! Sep 16 22:38:41 I'm participating as good as I can Sep 16 22:38:49 in a mail, en-passent... Sep 16 22:38:57 LOL Sep 16 22:39:39 * DocScrutinizer05 starts humming "F.Z. - Son Of Orange County" Sep 16 22:39:53 and in your dreams Sep 16 22:39:59 you can see yourself Sep 16 22:40:03 as a prophet Sep 16 22:40:08 saving the world Sep 16 22:40:15 ...after I asked him directly, because I just can't stand the fact that I still just don't f*ckin know if we are 501(c)3 or not Sep 16 22:40:21 the worse from your lips Sep 16 22:40:29 I just can Sep 16 22:40:38 't believe you are such Sep 16 22:40:42 A FOOOOL Sep 16 22:40:57 Zappa, right Sep 16 22:41:00 ? Sep 16 22:41:05 yep Sep 16 22:42:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Tic-HjKD0 Sep 16 22:44:29 Put smth. different on and you probably have a better day ;) Sep 16 22:45:31 best music ever Sep 16 22:47:42 enjoy that one! pretty much the white Jimi Hendrix, isn't he? Sep 16 22:48:17 I'm a bit later, ya know Sep 16 22:48:32 basically earlier... Sep 16 23:17:58 DocScrutinizer05: no big deal. i will write it off as "no" Sep 16 23:17:59 heh Sep 16 23:18:08 i was just curious. it would help. Sep 16 23:18:26 I think webdav should be possible Sep 16 23:18:27 no big deal tho. my MS surface is on its way here. have to wait on UPS to bring it Sep 16 23:18:51 i'm still wondering how tmobile was able to knowi was tethering tho Sep 16 23:18:56 maybe by the browser id on my laptop? Sep 16 23:19:02 it only stops port 80 Sep 16 23:19:11 huh? Sep 16 23:19:16 odd thing is it also stops it if i ssh tunnel port 80 to another port Sep 16 23:19:28 i was using mobile hotspot on the n900 Sep 16 23:19:34 tethered to my windows laptop Sep 16 23:19:43 tmobile managed to redirect my browser to "you're tething" heh Sep 16 23:19:52 UH! Sep 16 23:19:54 maybe it's some awkward cookie Sep 16 23:19:55 :-o Sep 16 23:20:02 not sure exactly how they did it Sep 16 23:20:15 "tethering" Sep 16 23:20:29 suckers Sep 16 23:20:33 it has to be because when i swap to a different browser it doesn't happen Sep 16 23:20:48 it did it on a linux laptop too heh Sep 16 23:20:52 i used opera and it redirected Sep 16 23:20:56 i used rekonq and it didn't Sep 16 23:21:16 seems it checks for known browser IDs Sep 16 23:21:18 might be a cookie + browser id i suppose Sep 16 23:21:20 yeah Sep 16 23:21:32 i hope the windows rt browser uses some sort of mobile flag :) Sep 16 23:21:54 although that still doesn't explain how it managed to do it when i tried an ssh tunnel Sep 16 23:21:57 meh, just change your browser ID to sth weird Sep 16 23:21:59 it only does it on port 80 Sep 16 23:22:20 also using https:// should avoid that more or less Sep 16 23:22:20 yeah. i'll try that when i have to tether again Sep 16 23:22:31 it isn't that big a deal because it doesn't block https heh Sep 16 23:23:12 i tried to tunnel an address to my shell using an oddball port Sep 16 23:23:20 and it still redirected me for some reason Sep 16 23:24:15 just use a VPN ;-P Sep 16 23:24:45 yeah. i was going to do that too Sep 16 23:24:46 heh Sep 16 23:25:08 if i couldn't figure out how else to fix it Sep 16 23:25:27 i will worry about it when i get my surface heh Sep 16 23:25:38 i'm just glad the surface supports adhoc Sep 16 23:25:40 unlike android Sep 16 23:27:40 NOAA: Sep 16 23:27:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1374691#post1374691 Sep 16 23:37:47 tuned in to that suggested youtube mix and really enjoy it! my personal recommendation: DMB live in Central Park: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL_czyUro7o&list=PLEC3F45F1E5B075BE Sep 16 23:38:47 *suggested zappa mix... alays found it too edgy earlier Sep 16 23:39:10 in earlier days, ya know Sep 16 23:39:35 rom di prisco, the crystal method, celldweller (his earlier stuff) Sep 16 23:39:46 we're talking about music, right? Sep 16 23:43:58 right Sep 16 23:50:20 blah Sep 16 23:50:36 there isn't a way to choose a particular opponent in miniature? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 17 02:59:58 2013