**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 20 03:00:00 2013 Sep 20 03:16:41 ~seen_nicolai_ Sep 20 03:16:56 ~seen _nicolai_ Sep 20 03:16:59 _nicolai_ <~nicolai@pop8-126.catv.wtnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 8h 16m 24s ago, saying: 'hi'. Sep 20 04:01:08 i think i really have to start better understanding the fundamentals of how this pan connection works Sep 20 04:01:23 i'm really unsure as to which steps i am taking to get it to work Sep 20 04:01:42 for some reason windows shows connect using adhoc Sep 20 04:01:56 but when i readd the device gives me a direct connect option Sep 20 04:01:59 it's weird Sep 20 04:02:11 It's Windows Sep 20 04:02:20 is it? Sep 20 04:02:30 i had to readd the pan device Sep 20 04:02:37 I mean... Windows Sep 20 04:02:43 and it gives me the direct connection option Sep 20 04:02:58 Windows is never consistant about anything; why should it be about this? Sep 20 04:03:03 it seems to work but i'm trying to figure it out to the point where i can do it step by step Sep 20 04:03:16 for people who wantto use their n900 for pan tethering Sep 20 04:03:17 No, no specific help, I'd chalk it up to Windows being Windows Sep 20 04:03:23 lol Sep 20 04:03:30 I did it on Linux, IIRC Sep 20 04:03:50 well. android and windows use pan Sep 20 04:03:54 well... windows rt Sep 20 04:03:59 I do everything on Linux, and it's always consistant - it either works right every time, or fails completely Sep 20 04:03:59 i have a surface rt Sep 20 04:04:11 lol Sep 20 04:04:16 i suppose Sep 20 04:04:33 i've had myself pulling hair out over kernel builds long ago Sep 20 04:04:53 but tbh there really isn't a reason to use pan on a linux box Sep 20 04:05:02 since linux uses dun just fine Sep 20 04:05:15 Ah. Sep 20 04:05:29 pan is a oain Sep 20 04:05:34 pain Sep 20 04:05:52 i honestly don't have the steps down to get the connectin cosistent Sep 20 04:06:05 i think i just got lucky twice lol Sep 20 04:07:12 i know the n900 just creates the bnep0 and pan0 connections and just uses iptables to brute force the pkts between the two Sep 20 04:07:19 it doesn't seem like a bridge is necessary Sep 20 04:07:38 at least not on the n900 server side Sep 20 04:07:50 i need to install sshd on my n900 Sep 20 04:07:54 and figure it out Sep 20 04:08:12 maybe someone can take the work and add it to mobilehotspot to make this less irritating heh Sep 20 04:09:16 at least i was able to jailbreak the surface and install putty Sep 20 04:09:33 the only decent metro client seems to not be able to use non-standard ports heh Sep 20 04:10:11 anyways... i'm just goig to leae the connection active and not touch it while it is workig heh Sep 20 05:10:22 hm Sep 20 05:10:40 well Sep 20 09:38:49 anyone here any good with debian packaging? Sep 20 09:44:34 whatddyaneed? Sep 20 09:45:11 Some help to make debian packaging files for a couple of packages Sep 20 09:45:38 I've created my fair share of packages Sep 20 09:45:51 Not an expert, but I'd say I'm "any good" =) Sep 20 09:46:35 got an email address or something I can send the files to? Sep 20 09:47:30 inz@inz.fi Sep 20 09:55:06 I would like some debian packaging bits for hald-addon-bme-dev, osso-systemui-modechange-dev, osso-systemui-devlock-dev and osso-systemui-splashscreen-dev Sep 20 09:55:25 the packages should simply copy the contents of include in each package to /usr/include Sep 20 09:55:36 keeping the paths intact Sep 20 09:56:06 for which maemo version is this? Sep 20 09:56:07 i.e. include/systemui/splashscreen-dbus-names.h becomes /usr/include/systemui/splashscreen-dbus-names.h Sep 20 09:56:09 Fremantle Sep 20 09:56:13 k Sep 20 09:56:15 PR1.3.1 Sep 20 09:56:29 if a makefile is required (i.e. make install etc) feel free to create what is needed Sep 20 09:58:18 for changelog you can just put "initial release" Sep 20 09:58:59 for hald-addon-bme-dev use version 0.0.17+0m5 Sep 20 09:59:15 for osso-systemui-modechange-dev use version 0.3.5+0m5 Sep 20 10:00:24 for osso-systemui-splashscreen-dev use version 0.2.30+0m5 Sep 20 10:00:45 and for osso-systemui-devlock-dev use version 0.2.1.2+0m5 Sep 20 10:01:13 any other info you need to be able to produce these? Sep 20 10:01:58 I think that's 'nuff Sep 20 10:05:17 thanks Sep 20 10:05:25 I would get Pali or someone to do these but he isn't here :) Sep 20 10:05:37 and I am doing dev work nowish :) Sep 20 10:06:28 or I will be once my Gentoo box finishes it full emerge run :) Sep 20 10:08:00 310 of 367 :) Sep 20 10:08:38 I would insert a link to funroll lopps dot info, if I were in the mood. Sep 20 10:17:59 jonwil: what? Sep 20 10:18:06 I'm here Sep 20 10:18:11 oh ok Sep 20 10:18:16 :) Sep 20 10:18:26 well inz is already packaging up those files for me now :P Sep 20 10:18:59 what packaging? Sep 20 10:19:38 read scrollback Sep 20 10:21:01 jonwil, replied Sep 20 10:21:45 hmm, GMail's smtp not responding... Sep 20 10:23:15 okie, it was just slow Sep 20 10:23:16 jonwil: you need debian packaging for those systemui headers which I created? Sep 20 10:23:27 yeah I did but now inz did it :) Sep 20 10:23:42 ok :-) Sep 20 10:23:58 I have a faint memory of creating such packages sometime long ago... Sep 20 10:23:59 then please upload them somewhere, so I do not need to do it again... Sep 20 10:24:25 I will push git repositories to gitorious... Sep 20 10:26:48 oh yeah, the package I created didn't contain the headers for those Sep 20 10:26:58 headers for what? Sep 20 10:27:12 the packages you created look good inz Sep 20 10:27:44 jonwil, if you look at the changelog of osso-systemui-dbus-dev, you might recognise a name Sep 20 10:28:03 what name? Sep 20 10:28:08 My name =) Sep 20 10:28:38 I knew I had package system ui headers before, but it just didn't contain those ones Sep 20 10:28:44 yeah too bad Nokia for whatever reason didn't release those systemui headers :P Sep 20 10:28:57 means I have to reverse engineer things to verify that they are correct :P Sep 20 10:29:55 jonwil: in some headers is info that order of enums may not be correct... Sep 20 10:29:56 I would've been more than happy to publish 'em all, but you know how these things go Sep 20 10:30:02 maybe you can check this Sep 20 10:30:11 yeah I do plan to check that Sep 20 10:31:25 I blame the lawyers and management Sep 20 10:37:35 Corporate lawyers are quite high on my personal list of things this world would be better without Sep 20 10:43:05 http://www.cncmods.net/files/systemui.zip is what we have, I still need to do some checks obviously Sep 20 10:43:47 i.e. its the packaging completed but the header files need to be validated Sep 20 10:43:51 which I will be doing soonish Sep 20 10:44:10 just need my gentoo box to finish emerging so I can compile some things :P Sep 20 11:01:18 must figure out how to uninstall all these KDE bits I dont need so emerge runs wont take so long :P Sep 20 11:02:42 jonwil: use utf8 and dos2unix for files Sep 20 11:03:07 looks like your zip file has CRLF and some other funny non unicode encoding Sep 20 11:04:53 with the exception of dbus-names.h, all the files in my disk seem to be unix format Sep 20 11:34:19 jonwil: but not in utf8 Sep 20 11:34:49 I dont know how to convert to UTF8 Sep 20 11:35:12 when I fix up the .h files and send you the final checked over versions you can convert them to UTF8 before you upload :) Sep 20 11:36:34 jonwil: when I push changes to git I will convert them to utf8 :-) Sep 20 11:36:51 yeah when you put them on cssu-git Sep 20 11:37:07 and create source trees for those 4 packages on gitoroius :) Sep 20 11:43:35 jonwil: is it in plain ASCII? Sep 20 11:43:49 if it is then you don't need to do anything Sep 20 11:43:59 ascii maps into utf-8 unchanged Sep 20 11:44:01 it should be plain ascii, I dont know of any reason why it wouldn't be Sep 20 11:44:27 ok Sep 20 11:47:44 How can i paste a number into the dial frame ? Sep 20 11:47:55 I mean, i have a contact, it has a long number Sep 20 11:48:04 How to insert it into the dialframe ? Sep 20 11:51:41 hm Sep 20 11:51:53 i need to figure out a way to automate this pan config Sep 20 11:52:11 so it detects bnep0 connecting and routes properly Sep 20 13:58:28 Nokia-N900:/# /usr/bin/flasher --query-rd-mode --local Sep 20 13:58:30 flasher v2.8.2 (Jan 8 2010) Sep 20 13:58:32 Using flashing protocol Mk II. Sep 20 13:58:33 Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 Sep 20 13:58:35 Method is not supported in the current mode Sep 20 13:58:37 How to enable 'update' mode from the shell? Sep 20 14:08:30 hi everyone Is there any mods for custom brightness Sep 20 14:09:14 I mean to custimise n900 brightness according to our needs Sep 20 14:18:58 I have not tried it but I was just reading the 'dbus-send' commands described in the 'phone control' section of the wiki hoping to find one that sets 'update' mode and found one for backlight brightness (level 0 to 255) Sep 20 14:23:53 very helpful thanks anymore mods Sep 20 14:54:55 cybertheque, enable 'update' mode? Sep 20 14:56:33 Ahh looks like you are getting help in another channel. Sep 20 15:10:50 hello everybody. Sep 20 15:14:10 I ve got a couple of questions,.. Sep 20 15:14:33 well.. not really questions, issues with my n900, Sep 20 15:15:48 first... My memory gets read only at times.. and I dont know why. Sep 20 15:19:57 second.. some random pictures comes into album art on mp3 files. actually on two pictures set automatically as album art, even if I download a new mp3, sometimes this pictures set itself as album art of the newly downloaded mp3 files. Sep 20 15:23:10 third.. if a file name is very large and if I change the name to a smaller one, it wont change visually. it changes it position (sorting) on the list according to the starting letter of new name and it shows new name if we select the details of that file. But visually, there is no change. Sep 20 15:23:12 oooaaa giving the dick today? Sep 20 15:24:04 hi Doc, Sep 20 15:24:48 hi Sep 20 15:25:12 ^^^ Sep 20 15:25:14 1) dmesg, may answer why it your memory would go into read only. Though not always. Sep 20 15:25:19 on 1) I dunno what to say. except that r/o mode is triggered by fs-corruption as well as i/o errors Sep 20 15:25:38 2) check mussorsky Sep 20 15:26:06 there are metadata embedded pictures in .mp3 files, and tracker using those when present Sep 20 15:26:28 3) no idea - depends on your app you use to show/list the files Sep 20 15:26:55 3) native app Sep 20 15:27:11 which is? Sep 20 15:27:22 the file browser Sep 20 15:27:41 hmm, prolly a bug in filemanager (filebrowser) then Sep 20 15:28:47 if you can come up with a instruction how to reproduce the issue, you probably should open a ticket against Hildon File Manager on bugs.maemo.org Sep 20 15:29:46 I dont know how to reproduce any of those..can post screenshots If needed. Sep 20 15:30:15 One more thing .. Sep 20 15:30:59 You'll probably need to host those images on some server that won't disallow hot-linking and/or have images subjected to deletion. Sep 20 15:32:36 If I copy mp3 files from a memory card to phon memory, memory becomes readonly or phone switches off, and it will take time (abt 1 minute) to show up memory after restarting. Sep 20 15:33:09 pshycho_oreos.. like ? Sep 20 15:34:12 SAiF, probably photobucket for starters. Maybe those google drive might also help. Dropbox might also be another. Sep 20 15:34:23 okay Sep 20 15:35:03 I still didnt clearly understand 1 & 2 solution Sep 20 15:36:37 You probably will need to read up on the likes of wikipedia to get a good understanding of how filesystems work under linux. Particularly when mounted. Sep 20 15:36:51 Learning CLI tools is also a big plus as well. Sep 20 15:38:00 Well, then I need to learn a lot Sep 20 15:38:11 File systems usually gets corrupted when its unmounted cleanly. i.e. when one deliberately powers off the device without letting the device run its normal course in shutting down. Sep 20 15:38:26 No better time than now. Sep 20 15:39:04 phone hanging and eventually even rebooting due to watchdog kicking in, during copy of huge amount of data netween eMMC and uSD is a known issue. Allegedly can get solved by reducing swappiness and fiddling with nr_queue_entries (or whatever the name), see swappolube Sep 20 15:39:47 "wen it's NOT umounted cleanly..." Sep 20 15:42:20 just now i copied .mp3 file with the album art problem and that naming problem to another samsung phone, and it doesnt show any issue. It just shows the files new short name without any unwanted album art. Sep 20 15:44:20 It's an issue with trackerd as DocScrutinizer05 pointed out earlier on. It has nothing to do with copying the exact same file to another phone/device that is not running maemo. Sep 20 15:45:19 hmm Sep 20 15:45:40 IIRC, there was tracker-cfg (or trackerd-cfg) tool available in extras-devel (maybe extras-testing now) that allows one to configure trackerd behaviour. Not that it will be the magic bullet but may give one some insights. Sep 20 15:46:24 Particularly its namely thumbnailerd that I think grabs images and dumps them into hildon-photos (or whatever its called). Sep 20 15:47:13 oooh wait, you're talking about renaming .mp3 files? LOL, you get issues with tracker which basically ignores the filename and uses whatever it got in its database gathered from scanning .mp3 metadata. Just like for the album cover art embedded into .mp3 metatags Sep 20 15:48:11 only HFM is using tracker to replace .mp3 real filenames by the meta-songname "filenames" it gets from trackerd Sep 20 15:48:14 IDv3 tags I suppose is what they are called. Sep 20 15:48:20 yep Sep 20 15:49:16 SAiF: use a decent filemanager, which is about every other filemanager than just HFM Sep 20 15:49:32 Ultimately, I need to know whether the slow showing up of memory be a hardware issue? If its software, I can restore or reflash. Sep 20 15:50:02 yes I will get a good file manaegr. Sep 20 15:50:08 fs corruption can be both hw and sw caused Sep 20 15:50:43 It's probably easier to tell if it's a hardware issue during flashing. Sep 20 15:50:44 r/o is a result from fs-corruption. Delay on next boot is a result from fsck fixing corrupted fs Sep 20 15:52:00 we've seen/heard several reports that suggest that trackerd (yes again trackerd!) might cause fs corruption when you shut down system while it still is about to index all the .mp3 Sep 20 15:52:07 it just have 10gb of data.. this changing to readonly makes downloading via cute tube, transmission etc, .. very diffucult. and I use these alot Sep 20 15:52:36 I suggest to neuter trackerd largely Sep 20 15:52:49 i dint get it^^^ Sep 20 15:53:10 configure trackerd so it won't re-index all the time Sep 20 15:53:20 You'll probably also need to read up on what is trackerd and what it does. Sep 20 15:53:47 psycho_oreos , thats what I am gonna do. Sep 20 15:53:49 trackerd is a brainfart, particularly the way it got abused in maemo Sep 20 15:53:59 In a nutshell, trackerd is responsible for searching and indexing all media files so that other hildon services (such as hildon-mediaplayer for instance) can look it up on the index. Sep 20 15:55:02 and it kicks in every time you change *anything* on your eMMC Sep 20 15:55:24 and re-indexes all the files it can find Sep 20 15:55:30 IIRC trackerd runs at virtually every boot. If one installed something like cpumem-applet they could easily see CPU and/or I/O being high for a good while (depending on how big your media collection is). Sep 20 15:55:50 Yeah that too. Sep 20 15:55:50 got conky Sep 20 15:55:54 which hogs your CPU, your battery, and corrupts your fs when you happen to shut down device during those 20 minutes Sep 20 15:56:28 oops.. 20 minutes.. sometimes I have to reboot abt 5 times in 20 mins Sep 20 15:56:44 conky isn't as useful (imo) than cpumem-applet. cpumem-applet appears as a little icon in your statusbar, conky needs its own window, etc. Sep 20 15:56:46 then no wonder your fs corrupts Sep 20 15:57:22 also conky is a cpu hog in itself Sep 20 15:57:32 You can also easily tell when trackerd is still running when you go into mediaplayer. You get that fancy banner telling you that its searching and indexing files, there's usually a countdown timer along with it. Sep 20 15:57:33 oops again Sep 20 15:57:40 quite a bad one actually Sep 20 15:59:03 Okay, so I am gonna do a restore first, Then If things didnt turn out right. I may go for a reflash Sep 20 15:59:05 psycho_oreos: yeah, and that countdown tends to claim "341 minutes to go..." for me Sep 20 15:59:44 DocScrutinizer05, haha mine was never accurate too, I can see sometimes the countdown seems to increment quite dramatically at times. Sep 20 16:00:05 first and best guideline: get cpu load applet, don't switch down system when CPU busy Sep 20 16:00:22 Fastest way was to simply just wait for the device to finish running it's usual course in booting (usually a good 10 minutes for me) before I do something. Sep 20 16:00:40 yes Sep 20 16:00:59 or simply "kill2 trackerd in tracker.cfg Sep 20 16:01:09 s/2/"/ Sep 20 16:01:10 DocScrutinizer05 meant: or simply "kill" trackerd in tracker.cfg Sep 20 16:01:31 trackerd, DA SHITE Sep 20 16:01:42 I hesitate to reflash mainly because, I could find the exact same packages I installed. Some times after reflash, I couldnot find the package or, some packages just wont work. etc..etc Sep 20 16:02:05 Also learning CLI would be beneficial. 'dmesg' is a nifty command to show you kernel messages (are usually spoken in plain English, or otherwise there's always google) when there's an issue, etc. Sep 20 16:02:06 *could not Sep 20 16:02:10 a reflash won't probably fix your issues Sep 20 16:02:55 your issues are all caused by tracker indexing a huge collection of mp3 data, or by you copying that huge amount of data between eMMC and uSD Sep 20 16:03:02 lol, if I kill trackerd (granted, no need to wait) I lose all that music in mediaplayer (well now I was mainly using openmediaplayer). Sep 20 16:03:10 abt 500 of them mp3ss Sep 20 16:04:14 psycho_oreos: there's a plugin for mediaplayer that allows browsing *directory tree* instead of searching in trackerd db Sep 20 16:04:57 DocScrutinizer05, that's news to me. I guess I won't be able to play with toys like that until my N900(s) gets fixed). Sep 20 16:05:16 SAiF: once trackerd finished indexing and you don't change anything in the whole maediafile storage (no new files, no renames, no deletes or moves) you won't have any of all that trouble anymore Sep 20 16:05:19 s/d)/d/ Sep 20 16:05:19 psycho_oreos meant: DocScrutinizer05, that's news to me. I guess I won't be able to play with toys like that until my N900(s) gets fixed. Sep 20 16:08:08 Could this be anyway related to usbhost \mode or hen,, I installed these recently and had a lot of issues and had to uninstall those Sep 20 16:09:14 Doubt it, though if you're using h-e-n and you weren't keeping an eye on your battery (hence letting your N900 go flat). Then it maybe partly attributed to h-e-n, but it's still user error at best. Sep 20 16:11:46 well, I will take some days to try things you guys suggested. and see if it makes any difference.. Sep 20 16:11:52 :) ;) Sep 20 16:13:15 DocScrutinizer05: hmm, but proper power off shouldn't cause corruption even when trackerd is working Sep 20 16:14:29 dmesg.. shows .. filesystem error (dev mmcblk0pl) fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF (i_pos 360067079) Sep 20 16:15:06 Yeah, that's clearly to say that filesystem is unclean. Sep 20 16:15:09 or are we talking here about forced poweroffs? (taking off battery, very long press on power button etc?) Sep 20 16:15:58 and that line repeats a 100times in dmesg Sep 20 16:17:01 random reboots caused by maemo while transferring huge data from sd card to phone memory Sep 20 16:17:11 oooh Sep 20 16:17:12 dos1 ^^ Sep 20 16:17:17 watchdog ones? Sep 20 16:17:18 then sure Sep 20 16:17:20 Then it's likely some process is trying to request an invalid reference within the /dev/mmcblk0p1. Sep 20 16:17:46 nvm then :) Sep 20 16:18:00 Yeah was just thinking about it, watchdog ones would likely be forced reboots. Sep 20 16:18:03 hmm? Sep 20 16:19:44 but even after clean boots it shows the same error. Sep 20 16:20:26 So how do I clean the filesystem and / or what am I supposed to do now. Sep 20 16:20:46 Again you need to read how filesystms and mount work. Once a filesystem is declared unclean, it will remain unclean until it is sorted out by fsck. Sep 20 16:20:48 fsck? Sep 20 16:21:36 fsck.. as in what the fsck or file system check? lol.. I have only heard abt those things.. Sep 20 16:21:47 I need a good article to start with. Sep 20 16:21:58 fsck is a tool which checks and fixes file systems Sep 20 16:22:11 You can't clean /, though for eMMC/SD, fsck should be sufficient. If you're on windows, there's some disk checking tool (probably chkdsk) that will also do the job. Sep 20 16:22:47 Well then thats comparatively easy Sep 20 16:22:47 dos1: *should* yeah Sep 20 16:22:55 Well not from average user perspective, you can still probably fsck / and /home via BackupMenu. Sep 20 16:23:38 well i have backup menu.. installed. I will try from it. Sep 20 16:23:56 dos1: a 'clean powerdown' includes a `sync` which, depending on size and state of buffers, may take way longer than the maemo system is willing to grant Sep 20 16:24:51 dos1: in result the system shuts down hard during still flushing buffers, after the notorious "sleep 5" that is usually in any shutdown initscripts to allow tasks to quit gracefully Sep 20 16:25:19 You don't need to use backupmenu to clean / and /home. Besides, its probably not really recommended considering it sits on a NAND and with ubifs. Sep 20 16:25:33 isn't sync blocking? Sep 20 16:25:58 sync *is* blocking. the initscripts though are usually not Sep 20 16:26:03 I've never seen initscript with timeout on sync Sep 20 16:26:14 maybe on systemd it's different though :P Sep 20 16:26:22 or upstart, I don't know them well enough Sep 20 16:26:52 That's why sysvinit are getting deprecated :). Besides we are talking about a butchered linux setup here. Sep 20 16:27:26 lemme put it this way: after 60s the latest wd will tear down system hard, no matter how politely initscripts are waiting for sync to return Sep 20 16:28:00 ok, that makes sense Sep 20 16:28:13 always forgetting about those nasty watchdogs :P Sep 20 16:29:04 well then I would better be using windows file system check utility. Sep 20 16:30:47 I personally wouldn't say better, maemo is still linux. Though if you are stuck with windows on computer, then that may be better than running an outdated fsck on the device itself (using own fsck version). Sep 20 16:31:59 yeah then I have to go live on ubuntu. Sep 20 16:32:07 no issues Sep 20 16:32:33 The newer the fsck is (under linux) the better. Sep 20 16:32:53 :) Sep 20 16:34:46 by the way, a few days ago I installed usbhostmode (or what ever it is called) and I never let me connect to a pc as mass storage device. Does anyone else happened to notice that? Sep 20 16:35:01 *it never Sep 20 16:37:45 I dont intend to waste your precious time. see you later. Sep 20 16:37:51 You probably might have processes that were using eMMC/microSD at that time or your USB mode was set to host mode (or whatever it's called) as opposed to peripheral mode. Sep 20 18:19:36 Me again.. now with an error from backup menu Sep 20 18:21:04 I tried to restore it to a system backup. It showed all went successfully. then I restarted, and now.. nothing. not even backup menu. not even boot looping. when i press power button It starts and shows nokia logo and off... Sep 20 18:22:58 SAiF: might be a stupid question, but battery is charged? Sep 20 18:24:26 not fully, I have been using it till noon( now its midnight here). And IIRC battery was at abt 60% when I tried backupmenu Sep 20 18:27:56 should have been enough I guess :( Sep 20 18:28:14 man public wifi even is much more reliable than my carrier?s excuse for anetwork Sep 20 18:28:35 granted stuck on edge but it's not reliable at all Sep 20 18:29:25 you'd tihkn itd be a lot better, simple 2g, but its awful coverage wise Sep 20 18:30:52 omg, people asking for capacitive touchscreen... What for? Sep 20 18:31:07 there is no way i could find even to bring up backup menu. Sep 20 18:31:14 smudges Sep 20 18:31:15 and shitty gestures Sep 20 18:31:15 and no precision Sep 20 18:31:29 also do eestonians drink viru valge all the time Sep 20 18:31:33 multi touch may be Sep 20 18:31:57 out of taps and breastmilk, viru valge 100% comes out, yes? Sep 20 18:32:14 80% is reserved for finnish tourists Sep 20 18:33:56 my estonian friend says this is true Sep 20 18:39:59 Probably might be worth considering on reflashing. Sep 20 18:41:08 considering that there is no choice right? Sep 20 18:41:30 Unless you have better ideas in mind. Sep 20 18:42:01 I am expecting to get a call at 4 in the morning.. and I currently dont have a backup fone in my room. its 00:11 now. Sep 20 18:42:11 I'd better start now. Sep 20 18:42:16 wait... Sep 20 18:42:26 A serial console may explain why it won't boot properly. Though unless you are handy with electronics, such idea is completely out of reach. Sep 20 18:43:10 i just got only a couple of pcs in my room Sep 20 18:43:14 how can I get at least some of my data? Sep 20 18:43:48 Even with serial console, it's not a magic bullet.. it seems that serial console is mainly useful for seeing messages rather than trying to interact. Sep 20 18:43:53 contacts are already backed up. not the latest backup, I am sure I will loose the last updated couple Sep 20 18:44:42 I don't think there's any easy way to get the data out, not without opening your N900 and having all the right tools to extract the data out. Sep 20 18:45:14 You maybe able to forgo flashing vanilla (only flashing combined or fiasco) but only maybe. Sep 20 18:46:43 that coud be a possibility, But I am doing full flash. I am on win 7 64, i have to swich to 32 bit live cd Sep 20 18:47:21 The last I read on the wiki, you can still flash on windows 64bit via lib32 compat (or whatever they call it). Sep 20 18:48:04 If you're going to do a full flash (including vanilla) do be aware that your eMMC will also be erased. Leaving you the only choice is to use file recovery tools. Sep 20 18:48:28 yeah I tried it last time, abt 3weeks ago, and was giving me troubles. (it used to work, but you cannot be sure) linux is smooth Sep 20 18:49:11 mashina: it is not true :D Sep 20 18:49:39 But I still wonder what I did wrong with Backupmenu Sep 20 18:49:42 SAiF: multi touch.. what for? I don't have multitouch on my pc, why would I need in on my phone? Sep 20 18:50:16 zoom in zoom out. Sep 20 18:50:27 lol Sep 20 18:50:51 You can still zoom in and zoom out without needing two fingers. Sep 20 18:51:35 yep. so why would some one need a capacitive touch? Sep 20 18:52:42 Someone also said capacitative touchscreen is technology of the 70s. Yet to me its ironic virtually all smartphones/tablets these days use capacitative touch screen, maybe because its cheaper than resistive? and/or because they all want to be like iP{od,ad,hone}? Sep 20 18:53:09 capacitive is better Sep 20 18:53:25 I should add, on the forum someone said that capacitative touchscreen technology is from 70s. Sep 20 18:53:26 for dumbphones like iOS or Android based ones Sep 20 18:53:36 for smartphones, resistive is the only way :P Sep 20 18:53:55 lol Sep 20 18:54:44 There was a thread with artists using MyPaint (on N900) to paint various stuff. Try comparing that with the likes of using a smartphone/tablet/device with capacitative touchscreen to paint the exact same detail. Sep 20 18:55:13 You can't even use a stylus on capacitative touchscreen, it won't even recognise. Sep 20 18:55:25 multitouch is nice for games and maybe pinch to zoom, but that's it Sep 20 18:55:53 there's styluses for capacitive touchscreen also Sep 20 18:56:03 not that it's going to be as accurate anyhow but still Sep 20 18:56:09 Yeah of a much different shape/material. Sep 20 18:56:35 I was merely stating using say N900's stylus on Sep 20 18:56:36 more like simulating a finger than a pen Sep 20 18:56:43 k Sep 20 18:56:51 dos1: Nice for games, UNLESS you have keyboard Sep 20 18:57:34 also I remember somebody who simulated multitouch on n900 Sep 20 18:57:37 Sysaxed: there are some touch based games that are pretty fun to play on multitouch devices Sep 20 18:58:00 dos1: like.. like.. uhhmmmm.. like what? Sep 20 18:58:01 but yes, if I'd have to choose, having keyboard is definitely better than having multitouch Sep 20 18:58:04 dos1: probably I simply don't know Sep 20 18:58:40 Sysaxed: minigames, angry birds style Sep 20 18:58:51 I don't remember exact names, but there are some Sep 20 18:59:13 angry birds does not require touch screen, in fact there is angry birds for n900 Sep 20 18:59:24 multitouch* Sep 20 18:59:25 sorry Sep 20 18:59:25 The more I think of people wanting capacitative touchscreens the more I'm reminded of those Apple ads where two fingers does virtually anything. Yay, so much for two fingers as opposed to one. Sep 20 18:59:45 one example comes to mind - there's some game with cutting ropes to feed the frog Sep 20 19:00:00 and sometimes you have to cut two or more ropes together using more fingers Sep 20 19:00:29 dos1, how about a multitouch keyboard! Sep 20 19:00:41 :) Sep 20 19:01:05 (http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2010/01/fingerworkstouchstream.jpg) :) Sep 20 19:01:15 anyway, I'm not a gamer type, I prefer phone with terminal but without games than one with games but without terminal :D Sep 20 19:01:29 nethack works fine with terminal! Sep 20 19:02:20 see, people wanting capacitive multitouch screen probably wouldn't see that as a big advantage Sep 20 19:02:23 but we do :) Sep 20 19:02:38 SAiF: you changed kernel from backup to restore? Sep 20 19:02:44 seriously though regarding games, I think having some SNES/genesis emus and scummvm and whatnot on n900 is way superior to having a bunch of <30 year old game mechanics with upgraded graphics and in-app purchases> type of games which all feel the same Sep 20 19:02:50 They don't care, they just want this product to be the same as the rest of the smartphone/tablets. Sep 20 19:02:53 *> Sep 20 19:03:04 joga: agreed Sep 20 19:03:08 Doc what? Sep 20 19:04:01 I just restored the system backup image created by backuomenu using backupmenu Sep 20 19:04:13 SAiF, he meant in cases of where your backup was either newer or older prior to your kernel upgrades. You know for example when using kernel-power. Sep 20 19:04:31 I dont remember, Sep 20 19:05:01 But I guess, there was no kernel update after the past backup Sep 20 19:05:16 psycho_oreos: nnooooooo!! We must defend! :D Sep 20 19:05:28 If say for example you made a backup that was using kernel-power v50 and then the last time you had it running was kernel-power v52. That is known as kernel modules mismatch. It usually causes boot loops. Sep 20 19:05:51 Sysaxed, unfortunately without much luck if the majority are largely ignorant mobs. Sep 20 19:06:13 SAiF: then using rescueOS is your only chance to fix stuff now - ooooor reflash Sep 20 19:06:14 I got it. But do you know when was the last kernel power update thrugh ssu? Sep 20 19:07:50 Through SSU? which SSU? CSSU? or nokia's SSU? Sep 20 19:08:00 (smartphone, cts etc) a friend of mine (real tech noob) looked at my N900, frowned, asked me "don't you finally want to get a smartphone?" Sep 20 19:08:07 CSSU ofcourse Sep 20 19:08:50 My N900 can do things no iPhone will ever be able to do Sep 20 19:09:11 things most Android devices will probably never be able to do either Sep 20 19:09:13 DocScrutinizer05, heh many have also looked at mine and said that "well you really look like you need a new phone". no thx :) Sep 20 19:09:27 jonwil *5* Sep 20 19:09:31 Doc only a very few of my friends actually know this phone exist, and those who know only know that you can put android (or better say change OS ) on this phone Sep 20 19:09:50 CSSU doesn't really deliver kernel-power updates iinm. There were thumb kernels released but I really don't know how that works, they say its not part of CSSU-Thumb yet its in their repository. Now its merged in v52. Sep 20 19:10:01 http://mxr.maemo.org is down Sep 20 19:10:29 DocScrutinizer05 ^^^^ Sep 20 19:10:30 :-/ Sep 20 19:10:33 finally my Gentoo box is close to being up-to-date so I can start playing with stuff again Sep 20 19:10:44 Pali: not my domain (literally) Sep 20 19:10:54 timeless: ^^^ Sep 20 19:11:08 ok, its all up-to-date Sep 20 19:11:19 I have had my N900 being called "retro" tech. Sep 20 19:11:25 the only smartphones I know - GTA01, GTA02, GTA04, N900, maybe also that Trolltech Qt phone Sep 20 19:11:45 and Neo900. Sep 20 19:11:47