**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 24 02:59:59 2013 Sep 24 03:03:57 what been the PoP on N900? KAT0F00D? Sep 24 03:08:24 Samsung Semiconductor KAT00F00DD-AE77 MCP - 2Gb OneNAND Flash, 2Gb Mobile DDR, PoP Sep 24 05:03:59 anyone know where I can find a tool that can strip comments from a source file? (I cant seem to find anything with Google) Sep 24 05:04:39 cloc Sep 24 05:04:50 o, not really strip, just count them Sep 24 05:05:33 there must be an abundance of c prettyprinters Sep 24 05:06:27 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2394017/remove-comments-from-c-c-code Sep 24 05:10:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_(Unix) Sep 24 12:16:58 hm Sep 24 12:17:01 how odd Sep 24 12:17:20 pan seems to work but i have to keep re-adding the device for windows to direct connect to the n900 Sep 24 12:17:55 it is the strangest thing Sep 24 12:18:18 right now it still allows for a direct connection but later it will only give an adhoc option Sep 24 12:18:21 odd Sep 24 13:29:20 anyone know what actingdead is? Sep 24 13:35:37 after the warranty is over, the device enters that mode :) Sep 24 13:37:27 srly ... charging is managed by a userspace daemon, when the device is turned but plugged into charger/usb it boots into acting-dead where only charging running but nothing else is booted up Sep 24 13:53:26 also on alarm-from-poweroff Sep 24 14:03:08 good point Sep 24 14:03:42 basically act_dead is a runlevel different to the "normal" one Sep 24 14:06:03 In Diablo, switching from act_dead to normal is very fast :) Sep 24 14:06:55 they changed the way this switching works, in fremantle. And again in HARM Sep 24 14:07:22 In HARM even a ssh session survives switching to act_dead Sep 24 14:29:35 ok, now I see what osso-systemui-actingdead is for, its to display the UI (including audio) so that when you go into actdead mode you get indications of whats going on Sep 24 14:30:03 i.e. when the battery is really drained and you power up the phone with the charger plugged in, it can play the audio to say "yes I am charging" Sep 24 14:36:49 Having studied it (and osso-systemui-modechange) I can say that they can go off the "needs changes for Neo900" list as nothing they do is tied to the hardware as such Sep 24 14:48:03 \o/ Sep 24 15:01:37 so... we're going to keep the godawful act_dead mode? :c Sep 24 15:13:32 I didn't know anybody was about to _not_ keep _anything_ Sep 24 15:14:46 IOW wtf are you talking about? You sound like somebody announced development of HARM++ Sep 24 15:15:37 you're free to remove act_dead mode form your system, should be rather simple to establish Sep 24 15:18:22 this however would imply that your system boots up on plugging in the charger (or on RTC alarm) and will NOT power down when you unplug it (or cancel the alarm) - or alternatively you can set up your config so system *always* powers down on unplugging charger, if you prefer that Sep 24 15:57:17 please help with my battery drainage issue. Sep 24 15:57:27 powertop output: http://pastebin.com/wu65QRLi Sep 24 15:58:49 nothing 'unusual' running. just two xmpp accounts in Conversations, and 2 other accounts in pidgin. no widgets at all. using wifi Sep 24 16:00:05 i'm onk CSSU-S+KP52. Sep 24 16:02:56 htop doesn't show any process to be holding up CPU Sep 24 16:05:20 close pidgin and test again Sep 24 16:05:34 and I'm assuming Wifi, right? Sep 24 16:05:42 WiFi in power save mode? Sep 24 16:09:19 yes, PSM on. however, this was the case even with GPRS (not 3_) Sep 24 16:09:28 yes, PSM on. however, this was the case even with GPRS (not 3G) Sep 24 16:10:04 surely that should not cause CPU to not get to C4, should it? Sep 24 16:10:36 display seems to be on 100% Sep 24 16:10:49 and something is keeping some hw active, could be accelerometer Sep 24 16:11:23 not that it would be main power use, but insdicates device isn't reaching idle Sep 24 16:15:31 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91371 Sep 24 16:15:48 weird stuff. (i posted there,as qhubekela) Sep 24 20:06:07 Folks on this page http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application they say I have to put a unix{ enty in the .pro files, but shouldnt' I rather replace it by a maemo{ entry? Sep 24 20:37:27 Sicelo: pretty much sounds like a bug in KP Sep 24 20:42:52 ShadowJK: accelerometer should show in IRQ of I2C, don't ask me which one Sep 24 20:43:35 of course it could be the age old heissenbug in I2C Sep 24 20:44:15 Sicelo: check spirit level or accelerometer test app, whatever, to make sure communication to LIS302 is working Sep 24 20:44:37 and also that the values delivered make any sense Sep 24 20:45:13 bbl o/ Sep 24 21:05:19 wotan147: did someone point you to the logs for yesterday after you logged off? Sep 24 21:10:38 sixwheeledbeast : nope how do I get the log? Sep 24 21:11:21 wotan147: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-09-24.log.html#t2013-09-24T01:16:51 Sep 24 21:11:31 did you sort that? Sep 24 21:21:39 sixwheeledbeast yep ;) there was a problem as well with compat of debhelper Sep 24 21:24:03 wotan147: it should be 5, so have you built the pkg then? Sep 24 21:25:30 on my scratchbox it is working with seven should I put 5 if I want to upload to the repo Sep 24 21:26:41 yep I succeeded and now I am trying to build a script to automize it for any qt apps I am making but in the .pro when you put maemo{ entries and than unix{ entry, which one will have priorty? will it default to unix even if maemo is here? Sep 24 21:26:56 if it works, I don't think I could upload packages built with 7 Sep 24 21:31:16 I haven't ever touched the pro file like the wiki says for my Qt packages. Sep 24 21:35:23 Jesus Christ QMediaPlayer (Qt) is affected by Silent profile what the efff Sep 24 21:35:32 I had to contact libpulse directly! Sep 24 21:45:45 err are we talking OMP here? Sep 24 21:49:18 LOL Sep 24 21:49:36 there are some wiki pages about that Sep 24 21:50:25 not that you could say fremantle audio policies are particularly intuitive or versatile or just sane Sep 24 22:06:13 WFM Sep 24 22:07:48 FML... Sep 24 22:07:57 is there anyone from the UK? :P Sep 24 22:08:51 yep Sep 24 22:08:58 sixwheeledbeast: sup Sep 24 22:09:07 hello Sep 24 22:23:12 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/10330414/iOS-7-users-destroy-iPhones-after-fake-waterproof-advert.html Sep 24 22:25:35 fail Sep 24 22:25:57 on 4chan of all things Sep 24 22:27:33 yeah Sep 24 22:27:38 pedobear and stuf Sep 24 22:27:39 f Sep 24 22:31:45 hi Sep 24 22:33:26 hi Sep 24 22:40:15 ~seen Doczzzzzscrutinizer05 Sep 24 22:40:20 i haven't seen 'doczzzzzscrutinizer05', jonwil Sep 24 22:40:38 ~seen Docsrutinizer05 Sep 24 22:40:41 i haven't seen 'docsrutinizer05', jonwil Sep 24 22:40:49 ~seen Docscrutinizer05 Sep 24 22:40:54 docscrutinizer05 is currently on #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel. Has said a total of 882 messages. Is idling for 50m 26s, last said: 'not that you could say fremantle audio policies are particularly intuitive or versatile or just sane'. Sep 24 22:41:08 wut? Sep 24 22:43:09 lol Sep 24 22:43:35 ~seen DocScrutinizer05 Sep 24 22:43:35 docscrutinizer05 is currently on #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel. Has said a total of 883 messages. Is idling for 2m 27s, last said: 'wut?'. Sep 24 23:04:25 ~seen HtheB Sep 24 23:04:29 htheb is currently on #maemo (1h 3m 4s). Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 20m 53s, last said: '~seen DocScrutinizer05 '. Sep 24 23:04:48 lol Sep 24 23:09:56 DocScrutinizer05: is there ANY way to get lcd screens for the n950's? Sep 24 23:15:10 Hey, anyway I could contribute to porting Fremantle (Is anyone online?) for the Neo900? Sep 24 23:16:07 liambeeblebrox: lots of different ways :) Sep 24 23:16:50 Well, where should I start looking? Sep 24 23:17:24 in FPTF thread and linked threads from there Sep 24 23:17:43 Yeah, I'm already there Sep 24 23:17:49 right now we mostly need to document everything we can Sep 24 23:17:59 especially regarding audio and gsm stack Sep 24 23:18:02 Okkaaay. Sep 24 23:18:13 Specific to maemo5? Sep 24 23:18:26 yup Sep 24 23:18:32 Hmm. Sep 24 23:18:38 there are some bits that will have to be replaced in neo900 Sep 24 23:18:55 and some stuff will need some compatibility wrappers around them Sep 24 23:19:05 Both SoC's (N900 and Neo900) are ARM right? Sep 24 23:19:11 yup Sep 24 23:19:30 I can do compatibility sometimes Sep 24 23:20:09 Anyway so I should just look in the thread/'s for work? Sep 24 23:20:16 right now it's all at "document all the stuff" stage Sep 24 23:21:02 if you have some similar hardware like openpandora you can hack on, then you can start pondering with some proof of concepts Sep 24 23:21:03 Yup Sep 24 23:21:25 I don't Sep 24 23:21:40 actual implementation of stuff will come later Sep 24 23:21:47 Yeah cool Sep 24 23:21:52 HtheB: nope Sep 24 23:21:58 I can't help (That much) with that anyway Sep 24 23:22:08 except jonni iirc Sep 24 23:22:29 Anyway thanks! Sep 24 23:22:35 yw Sep 24 23:22:39 hi dos1 Sep 24 23:22:55 hi liambeeblebrox Sep 24 23:22:56 hello! Sep 24 23:23:05 Hey. Sep 24 23:23:59 liambeeblebrox: /join #maemo-ssu Sep 24 23:24:37 watch jonwil and pali and freemangordon head away with already porting stuff, resp creating FOSS replacements Sep 24 23:26:02 recently pali created a frankentree from mce diablo and mce harm sources (both public) and tried to synthesize a mce source that would work on fremantle Sep 24 23:26:19 I think the guys already got quite a good part of it working Sep 24 23:26:24 oh, yeah, that stuff is pretty important for it too, even if not neo900 specific Sep 24 23:26:31 maybe even all of it, dunno Sep 24 23:26:47 Will do. Sep 24 23:26:56 and they're doing amazing job at it Sep 24 23:27:06 Sorry i'm fixing myself breakfast at the same time Sep 24 23:27:11 there are other blobs that need to get tackled. urgently. like modem stuff Sep 24 23:27:42 np, everybody should have breakfast (that's what the blame me every day for) Sep 24 23:27:46 they* Sep 24 23:28:22 Modem stuff? Sep 24 23:28:32 csd Sep 24 23:28:38 libisi, cmt_speech Sep 24 23:28:50 CSD Sep 24 23:29:09 Right Sep 24 23:29:19 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 Sep 24 23:29:43 has some analysis from jonwil about it Sep 24 23:29:50 and some links to wiki pages Sep 24 23:30:26 chanlogs of #maemo-ssu also have some chats about it (you can search on the chanlog site) Sep 24 23:30:46 otherwise just ask Sep 24 23:31:30 first of all: introduce yourself and state what's your domain of expertise, on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 Sep 24 23:31:42 Which is preferred to just ask, here? Sep 24 23:31:46 the rest will come naturally Sep 24 23:32:00 ask in #maemo-ssu Sep 24 23:32:25 ask jonwil, freemangordon, pali, dos1, or me. Or just ask :-) Sep 24 23:32:36 Sounds good. Sep 24 23:33:56 this is a community effort, and like all community efforts nobody really takes care about doing proper documetation Sep 24 23:34:19 not to mention task dispatching Sep 24 23:34:38 thus: just ask :-D Sep 24 23:35:31 (I'm trying to do a little bit of task dispatching or rather coordination, but that's more on a service&support level than on an authoritative one) Sep 24 23:37:45 right now jonwil is planning or already about to analyze libcmtspeech and tries to find out what functions like echo cancellation and noise suppression and whatnot we can isolate and identify in it Sep 24 23:38:28 we have a pretty working mce binary we can build Sep 24 23:39:30 we're analyzing CSD "stack" and libisi and try to figure what and how we can replace and where to plumb the new stuff to the old OS Sep 24 23:39:51 somebody already picked up on dbus API analysis Sep 24 23:40:34 Is the hardware already done? Sep 24 23:41:12 eventually I will have to look into bme again, and see what needs to get done to marry it with the GTA04 charging and battery management and power handling Sep 24 23:41:22 no; ETA is about 6 months Sep 24 23:41:32 Okay Sep 24 23:41:33 nope, the hardware is existing in form of predecessor GTA04 Sep 24 23:41:41 Yeah I had a look at it Sep 24 23:42:26 So the purpose is to 'essentially' port Maemo to the newer hardware Sep 24 23:42:35 compare it to N900 schematics and you got an idea where we will hit the ground finally, with GTA04-NeoN board Sep 24 23:43:09 yes, port fremantle to the silghtly different (than N900) Neo900 hardware Sep 24 23:43:30 in a way so userland is 99.99% identical Sep 24 23:43:50 (obviously that's a mission impossible, but nevertheless our goal) Sep 24 23:43:53 So that existing code will run on it, yes? Sep 24 23:43:59 yes Sep 24 23:44:19 all userland apps should run on Neo900 without any patching or even recompile Sep 24 23:44:30 copy and execve Sep 24 23:45:17 a few bits need rework, and that'S what the guys are doing right nnow Sep 24 23:45:45 What about "Harmattan" Sep 24 23:45:49 like mce, bme, libcmtspeech/CSD/libisi, Sep 24 23:45:53 Thats maemo6 yeah? Sep 24 23:45:58 HARM is not related Sep 24 23:46:04 And yeah I have the list up Sep 24 23:46:07 yeah "maemo" 6 Sep 24 23:46:36 It's different? Sep 24 23:46:44 going to sleep, good night Sep 24 23:46:55 N810 Diablo been more similar to Fremantle than Fremantle is to HARM, though the latter 2 both are phones Sep 24 23:47:02 night dos1 Sep 24 23:47:05 Night. Sep 24 23:47:32 YAY Sep 24 23:47:35 Split? Sep 24 23:47:42 dos1 what did you do??? ;-P Sep 24 23:47:45 yep Sep 24 23:48:14 good effort Sep 24 23:48:28 hm? Sep 24 23:48:39 So, maemo6 is radically different from maemo5 Sep 24 23:48:41 netsplit I meant Sep 24 23:48:51 Yeah I know Sep 24 23:49:04 yep, HARM is quite different in several aspects to fremantle Sep 24 23:49:21 we're not really interested in it, so far Sep 24 23:49:28 Okay. Sep 24 23:49:39 it's infested by aegis Sep 24 23:49:42 But the N9 ran it? Sep 24 23:49:44 ~aegis Sep 24 23:49:44 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif Sep 24 23:49:54 yep, N9 runs HARM Sep 24 23:51:11 Okay. Sep 24 23:51:35 So the goal is to port maemo5, freemantle to the newer hardware Sep 24 23:51:41 yes Sep 24 23:51:53 Which is mostly lower level hardware stuff Sep 24 23:51:55 Yeah? Sep 24 23:51:58 port the OS, so the apps will just feel at home Sep 24 23:52:36 well, yeah, mostly lower level, since we are porting the OS API Sep 24 23:53:00 And thats it? Sep 24 23:53:05 incl some middleware bits where the hw differs too much so we can't hide the differences in kernel hacks Sep 24 23:53:27 Yeah yeah Sep 24 23:54:18 we haven't tackled the low-level kernel stuff yet, since the hw isn't even feature-frozen yet Sep 24 23:54:30 Yeah, who's responsible for hardware? Sep 24 23:54:34 me Sep 24 23:55:00 and Nikolaus of GoldeliCo, who's never around here Sep 24 23:55:28 Really? Sep 24 23:55:36 rally what? Sep 24 23:55:42 really even Sep 24 23:56:26 Really Nikolaus never around here? dunno for sure, who might, it's the internet you know ;-) Sep 24 23:56:41 No, really you're doing the hardware Sep 24 23:57:02 well, so far I'm trying to coordinate and evaluate stuff Sep 24 23:57:14 Nikolaus will do the layout probably Sep 24 23:57:43 today I sent a N900 to him for disassembling and checking "what's the deal" Sep 24 23:58:30 he built GTA04 (with marginal help from me), I once built GTA02 ;-) Sep 24 23:58:32 Okay. Sep 24 23:58:43 What does the GTA stand for? Sep 24 23:59:01 actually nobody knows - FIC heritage Sep 24 23:59:22 Right Sep 24 23:59:28 "General Telephony Appliance" or whatever Sep 24 23:59:36 Haha, yeah Sep 25 00:02:03 http://www.google.de/search?q=openmoko+%22what+does+GTA+stand+for Sep 25 00:06:17 Well, I'll be in touch I suppose Sep 25 00:06:55 08:02.03 rwhitby Generic Telephone Appliance Sep 25 00:06:57 08:02.11 josch|nsn rwhitby: for real? Sep 25 00:06:58 08:02.19 rwhitby (the chinese design that it started from) Sep 25 00:07:14 Fair enough Sep 25 00:07:57 I'll have to get my hands on an n900 Sep 25 00:08:44 http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko/20080515.html.gz Sep 25 00:09:21 well, a N900 for sure may help with development :-) Sep 25 00:09:41 What about target hardware? Sep 25 00:10:33 I'll try to find some GTA04, but basically we'll use N900 to emulate the Neo900, after all they are supposed to be very similar ;-) Sep 25 00:10:49 Haha Sep 25 00:11:56 the monster is modem Sep 25 00:12:19 I suggested to us a USB attached UMTS stick for emulation Sep 25 00:12:25 use* Sep 25 00:12:45 Yeah well Sep 25 00:12:46 which would have a nice "dual use" Sep 25 00:12:55 for N900 users Sep 25 00:14:24 for RE of libcmtspeech we can interface to the original N900 modem for now, and see if it works with that. When it works, changing the hw interface is simple Sep 25 00:14:24 I need an n900 first... Sep 25 00:15:18 good used ones shall go for ~100 bucks Sep 25 00:15:48 new in original package is still ~250 Sep 25 00:15:59 if you can find any Sep 25 00:16:05 Hahaha Sep 25 00:16:11 Seems to be some coming from china Sep 25 00:16:39 yeah, those HK are mostly crap, they claim 2new2 but actually are refurbished Sep 25 00:16:48 s/2/"/g Sep 25 00:16:50 DocScrutinizer05 meant: yeah, those HK are mostly crap, they claim "new" but actually are refurbished Sep 25 00:17:46 I'll keep an eye out, anyway Sep 25 00:19:05 or this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N900-PWNPHONE-smartphone-penetration-testing-platform-/281173959387?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item41774622db :-P Sep 25 00:19:30 OHLOL, item codition: used Sep 25 00:21:16 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N-Series-N900-32GB-Black-Unlocked-Smartphone-/310733109557?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item485922f935 Sep 25 00:22:31 Not bad reviews Sep 25 00:24:20 Anyway I must be off Sep 25 00:24:32 liambeeblebrox: where's your postbox? Sep 25 00:24:42 Actual, or online Sep 25 00:24:47 actual Sep 25 00:24:57 NSW Australia Sep 25 00:25:03 oo Aussie Sep 25 00:25:09 hmm, http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-N900-32GB-3G-GPS-5MP-WIFI-Qwerty-Unlocked-Black-Smartphone-/111175711390?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item19e296ba9e Sep 25 00:25:12 You can shoot me now if you want Sep 25 00:25:18 haha Sep 25 00:25:49 ooh, ships to: US Sep 25 00:25:52 Yeah Sep 25 00:26:00 Looks like I could contact the seller though Sep 25 00:26:16 Eh Sep 25 00:26:22 yours most likely is one of those crappy refurbished ones Sep 25 00:26:36 I'm not in the market to buy yet Sep 25 00:27:16 Maybe in a couple months Sep 25 00:27:26 well, if you test that HK sellers, pelase report on your experience Sep 25 00:27:34 Will do. Sep 25 00:27:43 Could always use Sep 25 00:27:54 Hm Sep 25 00:28:24 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/100-original-mobile-phone-Nokia-N900/547515382.html Sep 25 00:28:32 you'll bite your own back for every month you missed to live with the best phone ever Sep 25 00:28:57 I'm currently under a pretty big workload, with limited funds Sep 25 00:29:10 Used ali-baba and related shops? Sep 25 00:30:47 I had stuff ship from there this week Sep 25 00:30:52 So we'll see how it goes Sep 25 00:31:15 Good thing about living down under, dedicated shipping lane straight to china Sep 25 00:38:04 might be worth it, after all refurbished may be ok, for that price Sep 25 00:38:12 and they offer warranty Sep 25 00:38:30 Yeah. Sep 25 00:38:32 Maybe Sep 25 00:39:38 What part of the world do you hail from? Sep 25 00:39:51 Germoney Sep 25 00:40:14 how about the new bundesfuhrerin? Sep 25 00:40:25 fsck her Sep 25 00:40:29 Makes sense, I suppose america is asleep Sep 25 00:40:55 Anyhoot Sep 25 00:40:59 Work to do Sep 25 00:41:00 im canadian eh Sep 25 00:41:04 eh eh eh eh eh Sep 25 00:41:12 i live in a part with a funny timezone Sep 25 00:41:23 Whats local time? Sep 25 00:41:32 canada/atlantic is EST+1 Sep 25 00:41:36 It's 1040 Sep 25 00:41:37 02:41 Sep 25 00:41:51 closer to europe but close to us too Sep 25 00:42:05 its 2141 yurop format Sep 25 00:42:06 I hope thats not AM doc Sep 25 00:42:13 9:42p ours Sep 25 00:42:22 sure AM Sep 25 00:42:43 CET Sep 25 00:42:56 Used to using 24 hour time, mashina Sep 25 00:42:58 but I'm living in JRTZV Sep 25 00:42:59 ast is the short name Sep 25 00:43:13 The internet needs a central time server :/ Sep 25 00:43:31 time.nistlgov? Sep 25 00:43:55 ~ugt Sep 25 00:43:56 i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Sep 25 00:44:16 Ah, but one that is used by all servers Sep 25 00:45:15 I'll Sep 25 00:45:20 Hopefully be around Sep 25 00:45:33 And I'll put something in the dev thread Sep 25 00:45:40 :-D Sep 25 00:46:04 have a nice Sep 25 00:46:10 day? Sep 25 00:47:00 i saw an n900 on the local classifieds once Sep 25 00:48:56 o/ Sep 25 00:49:04 chillout time Sep 25 00:49:11 wonder who the hell in this backwater would have one Sep 25 00:49:38 we're poor and mostly illiterate **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 25 02:59:59 2013