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Sep 25 09:02:19 <Macer> ugh
Sep 25 09:02:37 <Macer> wth does app manager do where it takes a month for it to finish when you enable devel?
Sep 25 09:03:36 <psycho_oreos> Should've used devel-light.
Sep 25 09:06:23 <Macer> there's a devel-light?? heh
Sep 25 09:06:52 <iloops> ok so which browser do we have in meamo thats just the latest in terms of html5 standards
Sep 25 09:07:24 <iloops> have the latest webkit code been used anywhere (i'm assuming webkit is where the html tech goes)
Sep 25 10:05:30 <kerio> iloops: fennec 17?
Sep 25 10:05:39 <kerio> idk
Sep 25 10:05:53 <iloops> fennec is massively slow
Sep 25 10:05:55 <iloops> -_-
Sep 25 10:06:01 <iloops> for me its unuseable
Sep 25 10:06:26 <iloops> it wud be so awesome if it was fast but it isnt i dont know why
Sep 25 10:08:22 <psycho_oreos> If you think about it comparatively. fennec 17 seems to be the latest released program available for maemo. You said you want HTML5 support, so there you go.
Sep 25 10:09:45 <psycho_oreos> If you want fennec to be any faster, then you probably need to go into experimentation with having thumbs enabled fennec.
Sep 25 10:11:12 <XATRIX> Can you remind me where can i find wiki about how to turn off the automatic updates checking in maemo
Sep 25 10:11:50 <psycho_oreos> You can't turn off, you can prolong the need for whenever it checks for newer version.
Sep 25 10:12:24 <XATRIX> Hmm
Sep 25 10:12:42 <XATRIX> Seems like it check everytime i connect to any networks
Sep 25 10:12:55 <XATRIX> It's a bit complicated
Sep 25 10:13:41 <psycho_oreos> That said: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check (it took me a mere 1 minute of google search).
Sep 25 10:14:23 <XATRIX> yea :( sorry
Sep 25 10:15:16 <iloops> and will the thumb enabling in fennec make it any closer to the performance of microb?
Sep 25 10:15:36 <iloops> or is it too much to ask
Sep 25 10:17:10 <psycho_oreos> Hahaha, the last time I checked, not even close, but you don't even know the underlying process. hildon I believe "pre-loads" certain programs so that it would not take a user to start thinking "such and such program is slow." Besides unlike fennec, microb was designed to effectively wrap around hildon (hence less resource usage).
Sep 25 10:18:21 <psycho_oreos> fennec is also now un-maintained on maemo as well.
Sep 25 10:20:25 <XATRIX> gconftool changes the config files or only for the runtime ?
Sep 25 10:20:39 <kerio> the former
Sep 25 10:20:49 <psycho_oreos> ^
Sep 25 10:20:50 <kerio> and the latter, too
Sep 25 10:20:52 <iloops> true :)
Sep 25 10:21:03 <kerio> at least, i think that the program can ask to be notified whenever there's a change
Sep 25 10:29:26 <XATRIX> so, gconf changes config files or not ?
Sep 25 10:30:27 <psycho_oreos> It mainly changes the config file, a config file for which most hildon/osso programs references for various purposes.
Sep 25 10:31:25 <psycho_oreos> Is it really that hard to read man pages? http://linux.die.net/man/1/gconftool-2
Sep 25 10:43:44 <lizardo> Is garage.maemo.org SSL certificate currently self-signed ?
Sep 25 12:39:33 <DocScrutinizer05> dos1: ping
Sep 25 12:41:03 <DocScrutinizer05> lizardo: iirc yes
Sep 25 12:49:04 <dos1> DocScrutinizer05: pong
Sep 25 12:49:14 <DocScrutinizer05> hi! :-D
Sep 25 12:50:13 <dos1> hello :)
Sep 25 12:54:53 <kerio> moin
Sep 25 13:08:02 <cehteh> "....  Elop zum Verzicht zumindest auf einen Teil des insgesamt knapp 19 Millionen Euro schweren Vergütungspakets zu bewegen. Dieser lehne das aber unter Hinweis auf ein Scheidungsverfahren ab, schrieb die Zeitung am Mittwoch."
Sep 25 13:08:09 <cehteh> Muahaha
Sep 25 14:24:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ROTFL
Sep 25 14:25:30 <DocScrutinizer05> "sorry guys, divorce pending, I need every cent of those 19 mio"
Sep 25 14:26:10 <DocScrutinizer05> "you know, the hookers, and that other bitch"
Sep 25 15:04:53 <sledges> in english: http://www.phonearena.com/news/CEO-Stephen-Elop-to-Nokia-Im-getting--a-divorce-so-I-need-all-of-the-25-million_id47745
Sep 25 15:05:40 <sledges> no surprise about divorce, it's Elop!
Sep 25 15:26:34 <thedead1440> DocScrutinizer05: re scratchbox has warfare done the self-signed cert or do i need to mail it to him? Sorry was offline for nearly a week
Sep 25 15:27:41 <thedead1440> also you want the sha sums of all blobs too right?
Sep 25 16:23:35 <cybertheque> Need advice / opinions on vpn selection for use over 3g. i have built ipsec (iskmp / ike) vpns for a long time over slow connections using old hardware and have been pleased with the throughput. I would appreciate observations about the overhead and performance in openvpn. my need is to stream video from the n900 over 3g -- performance is paramount.  ipsec or openvpn?
Sep 25 16:30:04 <kerio> mh, does ipsec work with your operator?
Sep 25 16:31:08 <kerio> i think that openvpn is cleaner and has less overhead
Sep 25 17:23:33 <cybertheque> don't yet know if t-mobile's  unlimited voice/txt/web prepaid plan passes ESP/AH  or of it requires an upgrade (tablet services) --- for sake of discussion, assume it is not an issue
Sep 25 17:39:26 <Pali> do you know if there is rtmp plugin for gstreamer in maemo extras (devel) repository?
Sep 25 17:41:23 <Pali> is there libgstrtmp.so for maemo?
Sep 25 18:17:49 <DocScrutinizer05> thedead1440: I dunno, probably the user wants sha sums for all blobs, yeah. For the cert ask warfare to create a self-signed one for you
Sep 25 18:18:00 <DocScrutinizer05> he even will install it
Sep 25 18:21:38 <Apic> I upgraded kernel-power-bootimg and multiboot-kernel-power and now I get a Redscreen "can't flash kernel, required files not found" when selecting it during boot (selecting Stock Kernel still works)
Sep 25 18:24:14 <Pali> you can read TMO thread that multiboot config file is not in kernel-power anymore and is not supported
Sep 25 18:24:30 <Pali> use uboot or hack multiboot
Sep 25 18:24:35 <Apic> Oh, okay.
Sep 25 18:26:16 <Apic> Will Installing uboot-pr13 automagically wipe multiboot?
Sep 25 18:27:58 <Pali> install uboot-flasher
Sep 25 18:28:03 <Apic> Thanks
Sep 25 18:28:14 <Pali> and not, you need to uninstall multiboot first
Sep 25 18:29:16 <Pali> freemangordon: in extras-devel are lot of old uboot packages
Sep 25 18:29:26 <Pali> it is possible to delete them?
Sep 25 18:29:34 <Apic> Hrm
Sep 25 18:29:50 <Apic> I guess I still have fremantle 1.2 as Base System and not 1.3
Sep 25 18:30:07 <Apic> At least I cannot find uboot-flasher, only uboot-pr13
Sep 25 18:30:16 <Pali> update to pr 1.3 first
Sep 25 18:30:36 <Apic> How? I think the Application Manager did not ask me to upgrade the whole Distro
Sep 25 18:30:38 <Pali> try u-boot-flasher
Sep 25 18:30:58 <Pali> do not remember correct name
Sep 25 18:31:03 <Apic> Ah, that's there
Sep 25 18:31:20 <Pali> ok
Sep 25 18:32:17 <Apic> apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove a whole Bunch of Packages from the System...
Sep 25 18:36:33 <Apic> I tried changing the fremantle-1.2/ovi/ ./ to fremantle-1.3/ovi/ ./ but now I get GPG "KEYEXPIRED"
Sep 25 18:36:38 <Apic> ...on apt-get update
Sep 25 18:36:49 <Apic> Where can I leech a current Key?
Sep 25 18:38:35 <Pali> do not use dist-upgrade
Sep 25 18:38:47 <Pali> nokia key expired
Sep 25 18:39:07 <Pali> and nokia/accenture refused to fix this problem
Sep 25 18:39:18 <Pali> use only HAM for updating
Sep 25 18:39:37 <Pali> use 1.2 for OVI
Sep 25 18:39:50 <Apic> Uhmkay...
Sep 25 18:39:59 <Pali> you can change system date back to 2010
Sep 25 18:40:10 <Pali> and then update via HAM again
Sep 25 18:40:35 <Pali> also you can check version in settings -- about product
Sep 25 18:41:06 <Apic> Maemo 5, Version: 20.2010.36-2
Sep 25 18:41:22 <Pali> this is pr1.3
Sep 25 18:41:33 <Pali> last version is pr1.3.1
Sep 25 18:41:53 <Pali> 21.2011.somethink
Sep 25 18:42:45 <Pali> use "date hack", enable nokia repos in HAM and update
Sep 25 18:43:25 <Apic> HAM == Hildon Application Manager?
Sep 25 18:43:47 <Pali> yes
Sep 25 18:43:56 <Apic> And "Date Hack" is not an Application, but the Act of manually setting the Date to e.g. 2010-12-31?
Sep 25 18:44:08 <Pali> yes
Sep 25 18:44:32 <Apic> Ok, thanks
Sep 25 18:44:44 <Pali> and do not remember that HAM is slooooooow
Sep 25 18:45:03 <Apic> ;-)
Sep 25 18:46:38 <lexik> spam again: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91457
Sep 25 18:48:13 <Apic> Application Manager does not find any Updates
Sep 25 18:48:38 <dos1> Join Date: 25th Sep 2013
Sep 25 18:48:44 <dos1> damn
Sep 25 18:48:48 <Pali> click on reload
Sep 25 18:48:59 <Pali> try find updates again
Sep 25 18:49:08 <Pali> and wait (5 min)
Sep 25 18:49:15 <Apic> Ok
Sep 25 18:49:24 <Pali> also make sure you have SSU repo enabled
Sep 25 18:49:46 <Apic> Still no Updates
Sep 25 18:49:49 <Apic> SSU?
Sep 25 18:50:08 <Apic> Hm, the Throbber is still spinning
Sep 25 18:50:16 <Apic> And I cannot enter the Repo Menu ATM
Sep 25 18:50:33 <Pali> this means that HAM something doing
Sep 25 18:50:39 <Pali> wait
Sep 25 18:51:48 <Apic> Whoah
Sep 25 18:51:50 <Apic> Now it finished
Sep 25 18:52:00 <Apic> And it shows "Maemo 5", "Security Update"
Sep 25 18:52:14 <Apic> And "Documents To Go Installer", which I do not need
Sep 25 18:52:24 <Pali> so you see it now
Sep 25 18:52:30 <Apic> *nod*
Sep 25 18:58:36 <Apic> Ok, now Product Info shows Version "21.2011.38-1"
Sep 25 18:58:50 <Apic> Now change back the Date to the current one, eh?
Sep 25 19:02:35 <Pali> yes, change back
Sep 25 19:04:48 <Pali> look also at CSSU stable for maemo updates
Sep 25 19:07:07 <Apic> Ok, thanks.
Sep 25 21:43:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ham
Sep 25 21:43:20 <infobot> ham is, like, Hildon Application Manager.  Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does
Sep 25 21:44:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal ham
Sep 25 21:44:44 <infobot> "#maemo ham" is "Hildon Application Manager.  Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does"
Sep 25 21:45:17 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, #maemo ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does
Sep 25 21:45:17 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Sep 25 23:03:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~xyawn
Sep 25 23:03:24 <infobot> somebody said xyawn was coffee
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