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Oct 09 03:27:56 <divVerent> does the N900 support 64G SD cards?
Oct 09 03:28:25 <robbiethe1st> Why *wouldn't* it?
Oct 09 03:28:37 <divVerent> i read that at least many android tablets accept them even if the manufacture says 32G
Oct 09 03:28:48 <divVerent> nokia said so, that is why
Oct 09 03:29:18 <divVerent> but for many devices the only issue is lack of exFAT support
Oct 09 03:29:49 <divVerent> so one has to reformat the card as something else and it works
Oct 09 03:29:51 <robbiethe1st> So, reformat it to ext3. Or just use standard fat
Oct 09 03:29:59 <divVerent> yes
Oct 09 03:30:15 <robbiethe1st> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72864&page=2
Oct 09 03:30:17 <divVerent> just want to know if anyone tried with the N900
Oct 09 03:30:29 <robbiethe1st> Your google-fu is weak, my friend.
Oct 09 03:31:26 <divVerent> ah cool, so the controller supports it
Oct 09 03:31:35 <divVerent> thanks
Oct 09 03:46:22 <psycho_oreos> Some things are best worth asking google for. :)
Oct 09 03:57:15 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia said "16GB" iirc
Oct 09 03:57:45 <DocScrutinizer05> 32GB evidently work
Oct 09 03:58:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I heard 64 do as well, you shouldn't use >30GB VFAT partitions though
Oct 09 03:58:22 <DocScrutinizer05> or so I heard
Oct 09 03:59:57 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway controller won't support the new sdxc(?) interface, but when the card has a sdhc compatibility mode (which afaik is mandatory) then it should work
Oct 09 04:00:34 <DocScrutinizer05> all this could as well be some delusion since it's late here#
Oct 09 04:02:47 <psycho_oreos> As far as I know, 64GB cards are supported they come pre-formatted as exfat which is not supported by maemo. The use of vfat for large "device blocks" should die honestly (imo).
Oct 09 04:04:08 <psycho_oreos> I sort of wonder if and when 128GB microSDXC cards come out, will they be supported? :)
Oct 09 06:05:33 <kerio> mh, does linux support exfat?
Oct 09 06:27:25 <psycho_oreos> kerio, It's supported via fuse-exfat. http://code.google.com/p/exfat/
Oct 09 06:53:50 <Pali> kerio: there is also native kernel exfat driver released by samsung under gpl
Oct 09 07:02:21 <XATRIX> How can i delete duplicate entries from my calendar ?
Oct 09 09:32:50 <LLckfan> Does any1 know how to get a stale house smell out of a clean house without opening windows as fresh air is of no help?
Oct 09 09:47:08 <ShadowJK> LLckfan; vaccuum clean the house, turn on the heating (or A/c in dehum mode if the climate is more appropriate), vaccuum again, wash floors with warm water and a detergent
Oct 09 09:49:31 <LLckfan> Done that
Oct 09 09:51:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ozone and hard UV
Oct 09 09:51:48 <ShadowJK> plan B, have a bbq party
Oct 09 09:52:21 <DocScrutinizer05> get the hard UV and O3 comes for free
Oct 09 09:52:47 <ShadowJK> indoors
Oct 09 09:53:16 <DocScrutinizer05> 200W HQI with outer glas (with phosphoer) broken works fine
Oct 09 09:53:45 <DocScrutinizer05> you better leave the room
Oct 09 09:54:14 <DocScrutinizer05> a few hours per room should suffice
Oct 09 09:54:21 * ShadowJK wonders if tesla coil produces O3
Oct 09 09:54:42 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Oct 09 09:54:51 <DocScrutinizer05> but no UV
Oct 09 09:56:13 <DocScrutinizer05> UV works great for destroying aromatic molecules, particularly with titanoxide in the wall painting as catalysator
Oct 09 09:57:39 <DocScrutinizer05> the ozone will take care of the more solic substances hiding from direct UV light in some pores and crackles
Oct 09 09:57:49 <DocScrutinizer05> solid*
Oct 09 09:57:56 <LLckfan> No room to have a party
Oct 09 10:00:17 <psycho_oreos> You again.. seriously, how is your question related to #maemo in any particular way?
Oct 09 10:00:25 <DocScrutinizer05> if you can't find a HQI to break open, you can also use lots of CFL
Oct 09 10:01:59 <DocScrutinizer05> but HQI or one of those http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Hoehensonne.jpg/220px-Hoehensonne.jpg works better
Oct 09 10:06:36 <DocScrutinizer05> or use HQL, cheaper than HQI
Oct 09 10:07:12 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.leuchtmittelmarkt.com/leuchtmittel179411_2.html
Oct 09 10:15:05 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.dimmer.de/shopping/ar-VG-SP400H.htm
Oct 09 10:17:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ultimate smell (and eye, skin, lung) killer, when outer glas removed
Oct 09 10:20:19 <DocScrutinizer05> for optimum effect close all doors and windows
Oct 09 10:20:44 <DocScrutinizer05> operate for 2h, then shut off and open windows
Oct 09 11:58:11 <DrCode> hi all
Oct 09 11:58:16 <DrCode> I can't install cssu
Oct 09 11:58:46 <DrCode> It say it installed but cssu feture give FATEL ERROR
Oct 09 11:59:52 <DrCode> wait, I think I found my problem
Oct 09 11:59:56 <DrCode> I will be back for update
Oct 09 12:00:12 <sixwheeledbeast> you will have to provide more information for #maemo to help.
Oct 09 12:02:13 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: been thinking about the 2K resistor on the AV, how can the device distinguish between headphones, headset or AV. Surely the 2K resistor will make the device think headset connected and not headphones?
Oct 09 12:24:28 <Apic> 
Oct 09 12:24:30 <Apic> ww
Oct 09 17:00:46 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: yes, though no 100% warranty for the value, maybe 1kR maybe even 500R
Oct 09 17:02:14 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/09/nokia_shuts_symbian_meego_stores_early/
Oct 09 17:29:10 <jaska> "nokia"
Oct 09 17:35:34 <Apic> "M$"
Oct 09 17:41:21 <DocScrutinizer05> GolDeliCo!
Oct 09 17:41:52 <SAiF> DocScrutinizer05, would you please include link to flash player 12 in jrtools, as I couldnt find a working link. last time you gave me that link, but I lost it due to an unexpected reflash
Oct 09 17:41:59 <DocScrutinizer05> we're opening donation/preorder(/crowdfunding) in 1 or 2 weeks
Oct 09 17:43:04 <DocScrutinizer05> SAiF: I'll put it on my todo list. right now I wouldn't know where to get it from, prolly one of my bookmarks to tmo
Oct 09 17:44:53 <DocScrutinizer05> (Neo900) we will probably go for a ID extension, an additional plastic spacer ring that lifts the kbd and LCD by 2.8mm
Oct 09 17:45:24 <SAiF> okay, now I know where to look for when i need it.
Oct 09 17:45:31 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: why?
Oct 09 17:45:36 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry for that, but it is needed since we have not enough space for the option module which is ~20* the volume of the BB5
Oct 09 17:46:32 <DocScrutinizer05> on the bright side we don't need to switch to micro-SIM then
Oct 09 17:47:08 <freemangordon> well, IMO it is better to switch to microsim and keep the height, n900 is thick enough
Oct 09 17:47:12 <kolp> 2.8mm?
Oct 09 17:49:22 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: N900 PPCB is already crammed with stuff, and BB5 is ~10*10*1.1mm, Option is 29*37*2.1mm
Oct 09 17:49:41 <freemangordon> go for bb5 then
Oct 09 17:50:00 <DocScrutinizer05> sure the BB5 has some additional smaller birdseed as well, but still...
Oct 09 17:50:08 <DocScrutinizer05> HAHAHAHA
Oct 09 17:51:17 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: jokes aside, this would be a dealbreaker for lots of people iiuc
Oct 09 17:51:44 <SAiF> was that a joke?
Oct 09 17:57:15 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: bb5 would be a dealbreaker for 95% of potential customers of Neo900
Oct 09 17:57:26 <freemangordon> why?
Oct 09 17:59:02 <DocScrutinizer05> it's only 3G, it's not open. And all that aside it's not available. And even if it was, we'd need per-device RF calibration that needs a lab with 500k$ equipment, and model cert which costs maybe 50k$
Oct 09 17:59:18 <freemangordon> hmm, yeah, RF
Oct 09 17:59:53 <freemangordon> but 3mm thicker n900 would be a real brick
Oct 09 18:00:01 <DocScrutinizer05> hey, you get dual-SIM ;-)
Oct 09 18:00:06 <DocScrutinizer05> on a LTE modem
Oct 09 18:00:21 <DocScrutinizer05> 2.5mm, not 3mm
Oct 09 18:00:45 <freemangordon> I'd say - put that on the thread, lets see
Oct 09 18:03:26 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: how's about OMAP5 and fremantle?
Oct 09 18:04:16 <freemangordon> no idea
Oct 09 18:04:19 <DocScrutinizer05> could you evaluate?
Oct 09 18:04:26 <freemangordon> how?
Oct 09 18:04:37 <DocScrutinizer05> check the omap5 TRM
Oct 09 18:04:46 <DocScrutinizer05> compare what's different
Oct 09 18:04:57 <freemangordon> yeah, right :D
Oct 09 18:05:23 <freemangordon> btw with right kernel it should be fine
Oct 09 18:05:31 <DocScrutinizer05> dual-core, would that work with kernel? etc pp
Oct 09 18:05:46 <freemangordon> what has maemo to do with the number of cores?
Oct 09 18:06:17 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno
Oct 09 18:06:29 <DocScrutinizer05> is it actually thread-safe everywhere?
Oct 09 18:06:41 <freemangordon> should be
Oct 09 18:07:06 <freemangordon> this is linux after all
Oct 09 18:08:08 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
Oct 09 18:08:38 <DocScrutinizer05> but nevermind, I guess the omap5 sidenote of Nikolaus been a joke
Oct 09 18:14:48 <cybrNaut> DocScrutinizer05: what's dual-sim?  the n900?
Oct 09 18:15:15 <DocScrutinizer05> the Neo900 with Option801 module
Oct 09 18:33:50 <DocScrutinizer05> btw the Option801 GPS is a dual-mode-GPS that uses both the american GPS and the GLONASS SVs (aka sats)
Oct 09 18:34:29 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Oct 09 19:16:13 <HtheB> anyone alive? :)
Oct 09 19:24:51 <dos1> HtheB: I think I'd need some caffeine in order to correctly answer your question, as I'm not sure about my own current state :)
Oct 09 19:25:07 <HtheB> :D
Oct 09 21:28:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ROTFL http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20070521/keep-radiation-out-of-your-pants/
Oct 09 21:30:12 <r00t|home> "the mans vital organ"...
Oct 09 21:32:45 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders a Neo900 special edition with GSM wave converter foil placed inside the case, which filters hazardous components out of the RF radiation emitted by the phone and WLAN and BT
Oct 09 21:34:58 <kolp> For clarification re: USB host mode: USB host with boost means the N900 supplies power to the peripheral device, while USB host with charging means the N900 is being charged e.g. through a hub while at the same time acting as USB host. Is that correct?
Oct 09 21:36:20 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, this is 100% correct
Oct 09 21:36:28 <kolp> Thanks, DocScrutinizer05
Oct 09 21:36:31 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Oct 09 21:36:41 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks for using hostmode
Oct 09 21:37:04 <DocScrutinizer05> I gave my hair for making it happen
Oct 09 21:37:15 <kolp> Oh, been using it for a while. I just don't have a usb hub so can't test that. 
Oct 09 21:37:23 <kolp> And now I saw http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1379685#post1379685
Oct 09 21:38:26 <kolp> Either I'm misunderstanding him, or he doesn't really have to unplug
Oct 09 21:38:41 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hostmode-charging
Oct 09 21:38:41 <infobot> somebody said hostmode-powered was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203
Oct 09 21:38:56 <DocScrutinizer05> use a Y-cable
Oct 09 21:39:36 <DocScrutinizer05> those come with virtually every extrenal USB HDD drive
Oct 09 21:40:24 <kolp> I had only one, which was broken and didn't even work with the HDD it came with... :)
Oct 09 21:40:34 <DocScrutinizer05> use the 2nd "power" plug to not plug it to your PC's 2nd USB port but to plug a USB charger to it, thus providing power to the N900 and whatever got attached to the Y-cable's other end
Oct 09 21:41:20 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't need any USB hub for that
Oct 09 21:43:06 <kolp> Hm, right
Oct 09 22:53:44 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: radiation out my pants?
Oct 09 22:54:02 <jon_y> I thought the new in-thing was wireless charging?
Oct 09 22:54:11 <jon_y> radiation in my house!?
Oct 09 22:54:20 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I don't know wich direction the radiation takes in *your* case ;-)
Oct 09 22:55:04 <jon_y> there is a cell tower next to my house, so radiation everywhere :)
Oct 09 23:51:01 <DocScrutinizer05> and I thought when the radiation is coming out of your pants, the sending tower must be another sort of tower than a cell tower ;-P
Oct 10 01:35:11 <jonwil> 'hmmm, interesting, http://mirror.thecust.net/harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/nokia-binaries/41667a5bd857be02f487c2ce806fbf85/nokia-binaries/p/pulseaudio-nokia/ has debug symbols that might show more about what these proprietary things are doing (even if they are Harmattan not Fremantle. they are still somewhat interesting)
Oct 10 01:39:52 <jonwil> interesting, some parts of these modules are compiled not with GCC but with the ARM C/C++ compiler
Oct 10 01:43:43 <jonwil> cant seem to find a suitable tool to dump the dwarf info in a useful format though :P
Oct 10 01:57:39 <DocScrutinizer05> dang!
Oct 10 01:58:48 <DocScrutinizer05> audiots is an ugly word, my brain refuses to read anything that's not containing the string "idiots"
Oct 10 01:59:16 <robbiethe1st> Idiots?
Oct 10 02:01:08 <jonwil> if I could have any one thing it would be either source code for Fremantle pulseaudio-nokia OR a set of Fremantle binaries that have libcmtspeech as a shared library.
Oct 10 02:01:27 * DocScrutinizer05 *loves* .deb¡ particularly changes is a textfile in a gz in a gz in a pseudo-gz
Oct 10 02:01:42 <robbiethe1st> heh
Oct 10 02:01:56 <robbiethe1st> But it's easy to modify, none the less
Oct 10 02:02:33 <DocScrutinizer05> hail to kde and konqueror which just opens .gz and .deb when clicking on them
Oct 10 02:03:31 <robbiethe1st> KDE's nice
Oct 10 02:03:56 * DocScrutinizer05 just closed 5 windows, which popped up by following jonwil's URL until visible/readable changes.txt
Oct 10 02:13:03 <jonwil> Its a pitty that libcmtspeechdata (either the open one in MeeGo or the closed version in Harmattan SDK repo) has no changelog at all
Oct 10 02:13:45 <mashina> cell network is down here
Oct 10 02:14:10 <mashina> feels weird seeing nothing in the signal area
Oct 10 02:14:24 <mashina> not even no sim
Oct 10 02:18:04 <mashina> it feels... empty
Oct 10 02:35:29 <jonwil> hmmm, libcmtspeech in meego is version 2.0.5, in Fremantle its 1.6.2.1, and in Harmattan its 2.1.1
Oct 10 02:50:26 <jonwil> the more I look at pulseaudio-nokia, the more I am convinced that its going to be the hardest part of the Neo900 jigsaw puzzle to solve
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