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Oct 13 10:49:03 <zammy> look I wanna test the away feature
Oct 13 10:49:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~autoaway
Oct 13 10:49:43 <infobot> autoaway is probably We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'. If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. So please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, as there are over 800 people here. If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. In BX, /set auto_away off. /saveirc, or nick changes are just as annoying.
Oct 13 10:50:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo autoaway
Oct 13 10:50:28 <infobot> autoaway -- last modified at Thu Jun  2 00:34:33 2005 by blitzrage!~blitzrage@blitzrage.documenter.extraordinaire.of.asterisk; it has been requested 8 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 45s ago.
Oct 13 10:50:48 <zammy> see no auto message
Oct 13 10:50:51 <zammy> ?
Oct 13 10:51:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ok here
Oct 13 10:51:06 <DocScrutinizer05> no message
Oct 13 10:51:08 <Pali> I did not see anything
Oct 13 10:51:17 <zammy> I try again look
Oct 13 10:51:37 <zammy> see?
Oct 13 10:51:50 <zammy> my nick get gray but no auto message
Oct 13 10:51:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ok
Oct 13 10:52:09 <zammy> oh finally I got how to...
Oct 13 10:52:47 <zammy> thank you for the second chance and I hope in future more patience... I can handle mostly all things...
Oct 13 10:53:06 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Oct 13 10:54:22 <zammy> the highlighted warn I suggest to put is that this channel is for phones and that automessages and useless notice are absolutely and hightlitghned not allowed
Oct 13 10:55:25 <zammy> so if some new get banned inside the explanation of ban should be readable that
Oct 13 10:55:33 <bindi> all I can say is wtf
Oct 13 10:55:34 <zammy> or in topic
Oct 13 10:55:35 <bindi> =D
Oct 13 10:57:41 <zammy> seriously guys I was thinking at first you were joking about that strict rule about automessage... and was months ago... but yesterday I got there was no joke... I has never been clear to me that
Oct 13 10:58:04 <zammy> *It
Oct 13 11:01:07 <DocScrutinizer05> zammy: a few tips that may help steer clear of trouble on IRC: check users you're talking with by /whois <user>, this might give away who's a long term member. And a "/msg chanserc access list" shows who's chanop, you possibly don't want to annoy those too much
Oct 13 11:01:29 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry typo
Oct 13 11:01:40 <DocScrutinizer05> /msg chanserv access list
Oct 13 11:01:58 <DocScrutinizer05> grr
Oct 13 11:02:38 <DocScrutinizer05> /msg chanserv access #maemo list
Oct 13 11:10:37 <DocScrutinizer05> a few background reads: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html  http://freenode.net/faq.shtml  http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Oct 13 11:10:56 <zammy> the assumption is different... I can always think that operators can joke too... as well as all chatters
Oct 13 11:12:11 <zammy> but rules I could not read... that's not assumption matter... that would be good... if I could read them
Oct 13 11:12:42 <DocScrutinizer05> when a joke is so good that 3 users do it independently each time somebody pulls the trigger like posting auto-away msg, then you'd expect to see it more often ;-)
Oct 13 11:14:14 <DocScrutinizer05> if however it's not a funny but annoying trigger, then you should start to worry when several times several users concurrently tell you to stop a certain behaviour
Oct 13 13:41:33 <C_coded_HAL_386> hello is the cssu update communtiy driven has N900 been droped by NOKIA
Oct 13 13:43:54 <jonwil> yes it is
Oct 13 13:43:55 <C_coded_HAL_386> i had a problem with gmail in email client and facebook widget though after installing the cssu it was all fixed now my N900 is like new 
Oct 13 13:44:07 <jonwil> cssu is community driven
Oct 13 13:44:31 <jonwil> by people like me who write code and reverse engineer stuff :)
Oct 13 13:44:40 <C_coded_HAL_386> thanks to the community
Oct 13 13:45:14 <C_coded_HAL_386> long live Maemo.org and all who vist it
Oct 13 13:46:02 <C_coded_HAL_386> what do you do - <jonwil> ?
Oct 13 13:46:08 <C_coded_HAL_386> may I ask
Oct 13 13:46:22 <jonwil> reverse engineering
Oct 13 13:46:28 <C_coded_HAL_386> nice 
Oct 13 13:46:31 <jonwil> writing bits of code
Oct 13 13:46:38 <C_coded_HAL_386> is the a port for dalvik
Oct 13 13:46:42 <jonwil> nope
Oct 13 13:46:42 <C_coded_HAL_386> for N900
Oct 13 13:46:45 <C_coded_HAL_386> ok
Oct 13 13:46:50 <jonwil> I wrote http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/connui-home-cellular for example
Oct 13 13:47:24 <jonwil> well most of it
Oct 13 13:47:36 <C_coded_HAL_386> what does it do?
Oct 13 13:53:10 <jonwil> mostly its for displaying the operator name on the homescreen
Oct 13 13:53:36 <jonwil> but if your cell network supports it, the widget can also display the cell tower name (whatever your cell tower transmits, if anything)
Oct 13 13:53:50 <C_coded_HAL_386> ok
Oct 13 13:53:53 <C_coded_HAL_386> coll
Oct 13 13:53:55 <C_coded_HAL_386> cool
Oct 13 13:54:20 <C_coded_HAL_386> Do you use NOKIA N900
Oct 13 13:54:25 <jonwil> yes I do
Oct 13 13:54:29 <jonwil> best phone ever made :)
Oct 13 13:54:34 <C_coded_HAL_386> indeed
Oct 13 13:54:36 <jonwil> better than any iPhone
Oct 13 13:54:39 <jonwil> or Android phone
Oct 13 13:54:45 <C_coded_HAL_386> indeed
Oct 13 13:54:55 <C_coded_HAL_386> whart of NOKIA N9
Oct 13 13:55:06 <jonwil> N900 is much better than N9
Oct 13 13:55:13 <C_coded_HAL_386> true
Oct 13 13:55:47 <C_coded_HAL_386> i real like my N900
Oct 13 13:55:52 <C_coded_HAL_386> really
Oct 13 22:40:51 <mashina> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
Oct 13 22:40:51 <mashina> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/downloads.maemo.nokia.com_fremantle_ssu_mr0_._Packages
Oct 13 22:41:01 <mashina> apt-get update gets same thing
Oct 13 22:47:31 <mashina> fixed it, had to kill off apt lists
Oct 13 22:47:40 <mashina> anyways, dealing with cert errors
Oct 13 22:50:33 <dos1> hmm, is there any way to get a bit better results from front cam?
Oct 13 22:51:55 <dos1> in quite bright room with small light headed directly at my face, I can see my nose :D
Oct 13 22:55:03 <mashina> the front facing cam is shitty
Oct 13 22:55:20 <mashina> trust me it's a LOT worse on N800 ;)
Oct 13 22:55:28 <mashina> anyways, i want autoconf, where can I get that?
Oct 13 22:55:42 <mashina> autoconf2.64 is self-described as obsolete and it's a broken package anyways
Oct 13 22:59:32 <dos1> is it really *that* shitty? I would expect people I talk with to see more than end of my nose :)
Oct 13 23:04:34 <kolp_> Reminds me that my n900's main cam is somwhow b0rked. When pressing the shutte rbutton the focus rectangle will always turn red, never green
Oct 13 23:04:56 <kolp_> Needless to say that pictures are crap
Oct 13 23:04:58 <mashina> my brother had an xperia play with a very green tinted camera
Oct 13 23:06:22 <kolp> dos1: Have you tried the mirror app? The picture it shows is semi-acceptable
Oct 13 23:06:46 <dos1> kolp: yes, that result is from mirrot app
Oct 13 23:06:50 <dos1> mirror*
Oct 13 23:12:28 <kolp> dos1: back then mirror's author said the quality is limite dby hardware
Oct 13 23:12:59 <kolp> Ah, and there is the banner when starting it
Oct 13 23:14:20 <dos1> hmm
Oct 13 23:14:22 <xes> dos1: my opinion about the front camera is that there is some N900 that gives worst images
Oct 13 23:14:32 <dos1> it looks better in video call
Oct 13 23:14:34 <dos1> much better
Oct 13 23:14:47 <dos1> i can see my face there
Oct 13 23:14:59 <mashina> i NEVER use a front camera anyways
Oct 13 23:15:33 <dos1> an now, after using video call, it looks better in mirror too :D
Oct 13 23:15:34 <mashina> the nasty cameras like front cameras are betyter as entropy genegrators instead of picture machines
Oct 13 23:15:37 <kolp> True, I vaguely rember that video call quality was much better...
Oct 13 23:15:45 <kolp> s/rember/remember/
Oct 13 23:15:45 <infobot> kolp meant: True, I vaguely remember that video call quality was much better...
Oct 13 23:15:45 <mashina> i live in the dark so they dark shite pics ;)
Oct 13 23:16:10 <kolp> dos1: Heh, interesting
Oct 13 23:16:26 <xes> ...btw...it seems incredible that nokia used this f**ing orrible camera module
Oct 13 23:23:33 <mashina> anyways, anyone use autconf (blech) on phone?
Oct 13 23:30:54 <mashina> for the people who got their N900s second hand - how much did you pay?
Oct 13 23:31:10 <mashina> I paid $100 in Canadian dollars, with $20 shipping
Oct 13 23:31:21 <mashina> i'd say I got a very good deal
Oct 13 23:48:02 <kwork> thats nice price indeed
Oct 13 23:49:32 <mashina> everything works, in great condition
Oct 13 23:49:55 <mashina> even usb and sim tray (i snapped it off and it came right back on! it's really fiddly though)
Oct 13 23:53:54 <kwork> my sim tray seems to be failing :(
Oct 13 23:57:42 <Hurrian> mashina: got my 5th N900 for $20
Oct 13 23:57:57 <Hurrian> it was mint (lady-owned...) except that the USB port fell out
Oct 13 23:58:14 <Hurrian> soldered a new one on, good as new!
Oct 14 00:54:52 <Macer> well. nice to see that i have been fighting with my router just to discover it is ddwrt that was the culprit
Oct 14 00:55:15 <Macer> awesome
Oct 14 00:59:58 <ecc3g> the problem is still your router?
Oct 14 01:09:02 <Macer> no
Oct 14 01:09:20 <Macer> it was
Oct 14 01:09:29 <Macer> i installed tomato. no more issues
Oct 14 01:09:55 <mashina> what router?
Oct 14 01:10:09 <Macer> it was ddwrt
Oct 14 01:10:12 <mashina> i have to use isp stock router with stock firmware
Oct 14 01:10:17 <mashina> Macer: no the router
Oct 14 01:10:35 <mashina> it's like asking what model of phone and you say android
Oct 14 01:10:53 <Macer> i was answering ecc3g heh
Oct 14 01:10:58 <Macer> it's a wrt610n
Oct 14 01:11:28 <mashina> i have an actiontec R1000H here
Oct 14 01:12:32 <Macer> heh. it was awful
Oct 14 01:12:40 <Macer> had me pulling out my hair
Oct 14 01:15:14 <Macer> it is nice now
Oct 14 01:15:21 <Macer> although i'm getting some latency that i need to figure out
Oct 14 01:18:31 <mashina> does the ctrl and shift keys feel a little creaky/suishy to you.
Oct 14 01:19:06 <Macer> no. heh
Oct 14 01:19:12 <Macer> i'm talking about from a laptop
Oct 14 01:19:16 <Macer> the n900 is acting a big laggy too
Oct 14 01:19:24 <Macer> i have to check out the options and see where the problem is 
Oct 14 01:19:35 <Macer> could just be crappy signal although the surface is going 6MB/s 
Oct 14 01:19:40 <Macer> before i was happy if i hit 1MB/s
Oct 14 01:20:53 <Hurrian> Macer: tomato <3
Oct 14 01:21:39 <Macer> the 2.4GHz radio seems laggy
Oct 14 01:21:44 <Hurrian> the newest builds finally have muli-ssid, bringing feature parity with DD-WRT
Oct 14 01:21:49 <Macer> i'm trying to figure out the problem. n900 is really bad
Oct 14 01:22:40 <Hurrian> Macer: sequential transfer performance, or burst transfers?
Oct 14 01:23:22 <mashina> you have a surface?
Oct 14 01:26:04 <Macer> hm
Oct 14 01:26:06 <Macer> yeah
Oct 14 01:26:22 <Macer> wth is wrong with this 2.4GHz line? heh
Oct 14 01:26:45 <Macer> it is lagged to hell
Oct 14 01:27:19 <mashina> Macer: rt or pro
Oct 14 01:27:26 <Macer> especially on n900
Oct 14 01:27:46 <Macer> rt
Oct 14 01:28:11 <Macer> hm
Oct 14 01:28:15 <Macer> the laptop doesn't do it nearly as bad
Oct 14 01:28:28 <mashina> do you like it?
Oct 14 01:28:35 <mashina> what do you do with it?
Oct 14 01:28:35 <Macer> yeah. it's actually not bad at all
Oct 14 01:28:43 <Macer> mostly just layman stuff
Oct 14 01:28:52 <Macer> browse, office work, facebook, etc heh
Oct 14 01:29:15 <mashina> i was considering a surface because its portable and itd run teamviewer (what i use for remote support)
Oct 14 01:30:10 <mashina> i run windows 8 on 2006 HW perfectly so i think it'd be fast on rt/tegra, yes?
Oct 14 01:30:18 <Macer> i got the rt because it is awesome with the battery life
Oct 14 01:30:23 <Macer> and is always on
Oct 14 01:30:25 <Macer> pro sleeps
Oct 14 01:30:41 <Macer> but then again the pro is an x86 so you can install anything on it
Oct 14 01:30:46 <mashina> is there lag? (not network, usage)
Oct 14 01:30:48 <Macer> you can "jailbreak" the rt and install some apps
Oct 14 01:30:53 <Macer> not that i've noticed
Oct 14 01:30:57 <mashina> Macer: if only official
Oct 14 01:31:00 <Macer> ti's actually rather quick
Oct 14 01:31:07 <Macer> yeah. it isn't heh
Oct 14 01:31:12 <Macer> the jailbreak isn't a supported method
Oct 14 01:31:13 <mashina> i'd love for ms to approve and sign desktop apps
Oct 14 01:31:19 <Macer> yeah but i doubt they will
Oct 14 01:31:24 <mashina> maybe thered be a maemoesque community
Oct 14 01:31:24 <Macer> because then everybody would just dev for the arm lol
Oct 14 01:31:37 <Macer> i mean.. there isn't much you need the desktop for anyways
Oct 14 01:31:42 <mashina> because the android community is a joke
Oct 14 01:31:44 <Macer> even the apps i did install i hardly use . like putty 
Oct 14 01:31:54 <Macer> you mean the high school virgin club? :)
Oct 14 01:31:55 <Macer> lol
Oct 14 01:31:57 <mashina> ssh is my n900s main use
Oct 14 01:32:09 <mashina> Macer: theres no organization at all
Oct 14 01:32:12 <Macer> oh i use my n900 for almost everything
Oct 14 01:32:13 <mashina> nothing
Oct 14 01:32:21 <Macer> you find that in all open communities lol
Oct 14 01:32:24 <Macer> not just android
Oct 14 01:32:24 <mashina> upstream is opaque
Oct 14 01:32:30 <Macer> if android lost google
Oct 14 01:32:33 <mashina> android dev process is opaque
Oct 14 01:32:36 <Macer> android would be a nothing in a year or two
Oct 14 01:32:44 <Macer> just like any other "open" project that loses its company support
Oct 14 01:32:54 <mashina> custom roms are a foolish endavour (zipaligned deodexed)
Oct 14 01:33:10 <Macer> i still don't understand why they call them "ROMs"
Oct 14 01:33:11 <Macer> heh
Oct 14 01:33:12 <mashina> community doesn't focus on quality or contributing to open source
Oct 14 01:33:36 <mashina> google is closing parts of android
Oct 14 01:33:41 <mashina> sad world in mobile
Oct 14 01:33:45 <Macer> yeah
Oct 14 01:33:50 <Macer> they are closing parts of google tbh
Oct 14 01:33:58 <Macer> starting with connectivity with win8 and xmpp heh
Oct 14 01:34:04 <mashina> i was never in google ecosystem
Oct 14 01:34:18 <Macer> i used it quite a bit.. but it was a decade long bait and switch
Oct 14 01:34:22 <Macer> now they'll start closing everything off
Oct 14 01:34:29 <mashina> i was a little concerned they were tracking people for years before prism
Oct 14 01:34:40 <Macer> naw
Oct 14 01:34:43 <Macer> not tracking them like that
Oct 14 01:34:44 <mashina> i was slightly but never fully paranoid
Oct 14 01:34:52 <Macer> just tracking them inasmuch they want to advertise to you better
Oct 14 01:34:55 <Macer> but that was a known
Oct 14 01:35:10 <mashina> i imagine theyd keep your data with them only
Oct 14 01:35:22 <mashina> why share with stasi if you dont have to?
Oct 14 01:35:27 <Macer> heh
Oct 14 01:35:31 <Macer> because people buy it ;)
Oct 14 01:35:55 <Macer> if something can be sold someone will sell it
Oct 14 01:36:10 <Macer> you didn't think all that free stuff was actually free did you? hehe
Oct 14 01:36:35 <mashina> huehuehuehue
Oct 14 01:36:57 <Macer> but google realized that it now has a large enough user base where it can close off shop
Oct 14 01:37:03 <Macer> and handle everything and run exactly like ms and apple
Oct 14 01:37:09 <ecc3g> just hope people realize that their data is not theirs anymore when trading it for convenience...
Oct 14 01:37:14 <Macer> and wean the community off them and then abandon them lol
Oct 14 01:37:26 <Macer> ecc3g: yeah. pretty much. 
Oct 14 01:37:26 <Macer> heh
Oct 14 01:37:34 <Macer> ah well. time for me to go. ttyl. 
Oct 14 01:37:47 * ecc3g runs own server... only way to do it.
Oct 14 01:38:42 * mashina shares with friends
Oct 14 01:39:01 <mashina> because its more fun when you split costs and avoid duping
Oct 14 01:39:17 <mashina> that and it feels like a mainframe with timesharing
Oct 14 01:39:56 <ecc3g> it's all your choice when you decide to give everything away...
Oct 14 01:41:22 <mashina> looking for good caldav server
Oct 14 01:41:50 <mashina> friend likes owncloud but we dont need owncloud's other bloat (that and he runs private instance on his private serv)
Oct 14 01:42:00 <mashina> plus owncloud is flaky
Oct 14 01:42:51 <ecc3g> nah, need to avoid big packages of bloat...  I'll trade inconvenience for security.
Oct 14 01:43:33 <ecc3g> or rather, i don't mind the inconvenience as long as I get the security...
Oct 14 01:43:58 <mashina> i bet youre an openbsd user
Oct 14 01:44:10 <mashina> i love openbsd but im not paranoid
Oct 14 01:44:16 <mashina> just practical
Oct 14 01:44:37 <ecc3g> no 100% linux
Oct 14 01:44:59 <ecc3g> I run maemo after all... :o
Oct 14 01:45:20 <mashina> i myself would drop linux (except maemo) completely if it just had virtualization
Oct 14 01:45:58 <ecc3g> go and port it and have someone steal it and sell it?
Oct 14 01:46:54 <mashina> oh no gpl purists
Oct 14 01:47:10 <ecc3g> go ahead and port it, I'm not stopping you.
Oct 14 01:47:47 <mashina> port what
Oct 14 01:47:55 <ecc3g> virtualization software.
Oct 14 01:48:10 <mashina> it has qemu but its in software
Oct 14 01:48:29 <mashina> youd need kernel level changes afaik for hardware or even ring virt
Oct 14 01:48:38 <ecc3g> port kvm... oh wait you can't, go design your own from scratch.
Oct 14 01:48:54 <mashina> zzzzzzz
Oct 14 01:49:06 <ecc3g> and give it away in the openbsd kernel... and watch it show up in ios
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