**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 18 02:59:58 2013 Oct 18 06:10:28 jonwil: are you able to RE 20k arm binary? Oct 18 06:11:29 or it is too big? Oct 18 06:12:00 (it is shared library so all function names are there) Oct 18 06:12:46 write me then, going offline Oct 18 06:30:02 hm, the standards have improved since I last traveled by train Oct 18 06:30:14 free wifi onboard :-) Oct 18 06:39:59 which country? and what bandwidth? just curious Oct 18 06:52:56 finland Oct 18 06:53:11 dunno about bandwidth, but latency seems pretty random and bad Oct 18 06:53:44 though possibly not as bad as 3g when traveling at high speed through woods in the middle of nowhere Oct 18 06:55:28 The Finnish VR wifi is kind of bad. (They've also blocked a number of uses-a-lot-of-bandwidth services -- Youtube, Netflix, Spotify, Steam, Windows Update, etc. -- in an attempt to improve it. (Hasn't seemed to help much.)) Oct 18 06:56:46 Heh Oct 18 06:57:20 Yeah my vpn to irc didn't work, but ssh was open so I could log in to my vpn server and reconfigure it for udp port 110 Oct 18 06:57:56 They let pop3 through but sloppily enabled both udp and tcp :) Oct 18 06:59:30 ugh, this is bad indeed.. but atleast my N900 will eat much less powerr :-) Oct 18 07:02:13 Sitting still at station: 3% packet loss, round-trip min/avg/max = 89.447/454.852/1733.338 ms Oct 18 07:06:23 :-S Oct 18 07:07:09 * DocScrutinizer05 hates it when bouncer gets disconnected Oct 18 07:08:26 ShadowJK: railway-GSM Oct 18 07:08:42 they got their own band Oct 18 07:09:24 and a network of BTS that meets their needs Oct 18 07:10:06 railway and phone always funny Oct 18 07:10:28 they always had their own "landline" too Oct 18 07:10:50 moving high speed through the woods:25% packetloss, round-trip min/avg/max = 148.986/1135.704/6336.609 ms Oct 18 07:11:23 :nod: Oct 18 07:11:49 It's supposed to automatically switch the uplink to use wifi when at stations, at least if it thinks that works better than regular mobile networks or the "@450" network it uses elsewhere. Oct 18 07:12:12 right, 450 it been Oct 18 07:18:39 The @450 is available for consumers too Oct 18 07:18:58 oh? where? Oct 18 07:20:45 it's kinda obsolete-ish unless you're out of range of 3g/adsl though Oct 18 07:22:06 aah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands#GSM-450 Oct 18 07:24:32 it's not gsm, it's flash-ofdm, iirc Oct 18 07:24:40 Right. Oct 18 07:24:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash-OFDM#FLASH-OFDM "In Finland, the license holder Digita began deployment of a nationwide "@450" wireless network in parts of the country since April 2007. It was purchased by Datame in 2011.[27] In February 2012 Datame announced they would upgrade the 450 MHz network to competing CDMA2000 technology.[28]" Oct 18 07:25:00 Didn't know it had been sold, though. Oct 18 07:25:51 or maybe they changed the modulation, I have a vague memory that they were going to do that Oct 18 07:25:53 They claim a coverage of "99.9% of the population", which I guess is their main selling point. (With speeds of "0.3M - 10M, depending".) Oct 18 07:25:59 gsm-450 o.o that's some seriously old stuff here Oct 18 07:26:39 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM-R Oct 18 07:26:57 Yeah I thought Digita still had it Oct 18 07:26:59 well we still use that Oct 18 07:27:30 well we need reliable data on our rails Oct 18 07:27:39 for the actual operation, not for meatbags wanting to check their mail Oct 18 07:28:33 DocScrutinizer05: oh are you german too? Oct 18 07:28:39 haha i didn't even notice. Oct 18 07:28:51 no, I live on third planet, SOL-3 Oct 18 07:29:03 that's stupid Oct 18 07:29:06 who names a planet SOL Oct 18 07:29:16 the system is SOL Oct 18 07:29:28 oh my Oct 18 07:29:28 SOL-3 is third planet in system SOL Oct 18 07:30:08 i should wake up before i irc Oct 18 07:30:33 the exposed engineering panels are disturbing Oct 18 07:31:10 natives have another name for this planet, they always do Oct 18 07:31:11 well not exposed, but the equipment cabinet has transparent windows Oct 18 07:31:12 said "Brake error" on the display :-) Oct 18 07:31:21 ;-) Oct 18 07:31:44 ShadowJK: hehe Oct 18 07:31:50 seen that often Oct 18 07:32:05 haha nice one Oct 18 07:36:34 its more lue €450.. the transfer limits are pretty low Oct 18 07:36:37 like* Oct 18 07:36:48 the @45 Oct 18 07:36:49 0 Oct 18 07:37:15 ShadowJK: also funny: on those panels you see how they do electric power for the train waggons. Each one has its own dynamo and batteries Oct 18 07:38:11 48V usually, IIRC Oct 18 09:52:03 DocScrutinizer05; these are fed by the locomotive's pickup I think Oct 18 10:00:23 though there was also a battery voltage needle resting at just below 150V Oct 18 10:07:02 The old "blue" cars from 60s were designed to be pulled by diesels, and had the dynamo+batterybank, and their own oil tank for heating :) Oct 18 11:27:56 <_jester_> hello world Oct 18 11:29:30 <_jester_> one quick question Oct 18 11:29:31 <_jester_> can i simply install cssu-stable or cssu-testing if im not happy with cssu-thumb Oct 18 11:29:45 <_jester_> or would it require a flash? Oct 18 11:52:46 I think i've broke some dbus service in my maemo Oct 18 11:53:06 When i plug in my AC charger - nothing happens Oct 18 11:53:25 What service should i try to restart ? Don't want to reset the whole device Oct 18 12:16:16 Why do you think it's not hardware XATRIX? Oct 18 12:20:34 SpeedEvil: bmc is a software controlled stuff Oct 18 12:20:54 Sorry, BME Oct 18 12:21:40 Are yourunning stock BME? Oct 18 12:56:17 SpeedEvil: yes, DocScrutinizer05 instruct me not to run any BME replacement Oct 18 12:57:03 Currently i do plug/unplug of a AC charger. Nothing changes on screen. No yellow indicator in idle mode Oct 18 12:57:04 And you've tried a different cable and charger/socket Oct 18 12:57:29 I'm sure it will be ok, after i restart the device. But i'm curious what's happening now Oct 18 12:57:37 Don't want to simply restart Oct 18 12:57:56 The charger is 100% healthy Oct 18 13:51:30 <_jester_> stupid data plan Oct 18 13:51:35 <_jester_> hello again world Oct 18 13:51:42 <_jester_> same question Oct 18 13:52:10 <_jester_> do i need to re-flash to shift from thumb to stable or testing cssu? Oct 18 13:58:48 I don't think so Oct 18 13:59:02 But it's probably recommended anyhoo Oct 18 13:59:17 Thumb is the one you need a specific kernel to use Oct 18 14:40:51 <_jester_> thanks Raimu Oct 18 15:20:08 hi Oct 18 15:20:50 do you know if its possible to use nokia RCA cable to output just sound from n900 ? Oct 18 15:21:11 to speakers Oct 18 15:21:28 cable is Nokia CA-75U Oct 18 15:24:52 Vibe: Solution 1. Just use a generic headphone cable. Oct 18 15:25:22 Vibe: Solution 2. You can enable the audio output for headphones using 'alsamixer' or something. Oct 18 15:25:44 (while having video output disabled) Oct 18 15:26:08 I did it the other way around once, enabling local speakers while outputing video over RCA. Oct 18 15:31:56 MMN-o: hmm got it working with splitter cable -> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzQ0WDUwMA==/z/vnoAAOxyLiJR39GC/$T2eC16FHJGgFFm+cPy1OBR39GB)qY!~~60_1.JPG?set_id=8800005007 Oct 18 15:32:19 so n900 thinks to just output audio Oct 18 15:33:54 so 3.5mm extension cable or adapter would do the trick also Oct 18 15:54:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHLkWd8z9PY Oct 18 16:18:17 Vibe: solution 3: short the yellow plug of CA-75 with a second rca plug or some tin foil or whatever you see fit Oct 18 21:25:25 my n900 after the last upgrade is not bootable... neither with backup menu... Oct 18 21:25:54 how to make a last backup before of reinstalling its OS Oct 18 21:50:08 i changed the system locale to .UTF-8 and sourced it Oct 18 21:50:24 will it still come up on reboot? Oct 18 21:54:03 I hope to get an answer... Oct 18 21:59:16 zammy: try rescueOS Oct 18 21:59:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369 Oct 18 22:00:26 there is no convenient interface for backups or so, you must cp etc. Oct 18 22:01:54 maybe...but actually how... Oct 18 22:02:01 I mean did you do it before? Oct 18 22:02:16 I downloaded the img Oct 18 22:02:17 1.1 Oct 18 22:02:48 shall I plug some usb with adapter? Oct 18 22:03:09 I don't think I can have right now some microsd... maybe with that yes Oct 18 22:03:22 I would do everything Oct 18 22:03:51 ~flasher Oct 18 22:03:52 methinks flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher, or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Oct 18 22:05:04 it's documented... best chance is probaly to enable mass-storage mode and copy the data to your PC. Oct 18 22:05:34 Hi. Oct 18 22:09:56 exactly NIN101 all I want is just to copy all inside my pc... so i would by wifi Oct 18 22:10:44 but... so with only flasher and no need of this img Oct 18 22:13:06 flasher can not copy your data to your PC. Oct 18 22:16:35 ... so NIN101 I can use flasher like I would reinstall the OS I want Oct 18 22:16:44 and... I install the img you gave me Oct 18 22:16:57 so... it does not overwrite anything... right? Oct 18 22:17:19 but allows me to recover and connect the n900 to pc and copy some data? Oct 18 22:17:28 bsically yes Oct 18 22:17:51 rescueOS is loaded to RAM, so no data gets erased Oct 18 22:22:08 tomorrow I am going to do that Oct 19 00:25:16 anyone had the n900 not send a sms sometimes until you go back into the messages app Oct 19 00:26:04 like you send it, then move the slider to sleep the phone but it doesnt send until sometime in the future when you wake it up and go back into the messages app Oct 19 00:28:20 no Oct 19 00:29:56 hm.. Oct 19 00:30:03 might be time for a reinstall Oct 19 00:30:07 its been like 4 years Oct 19 00:44:53 maybe cleaning out your eventsdb is already suffucuent? Oct 19 00:47:29 Psi: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-04.log.html#t2013-10-04T14:11:53 Oct 19 00:49:16 I wonder how the heck the https sneaked in Oct 19 00:50:00 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-04.log.html#t2013-10-04T14:11:53 Oct 19 00:50:08 really weird **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 19 02:59:58 2013