**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 19 02:59:58 2013 Oct 19 05:13:59 TMO based karma fixed! Oct 19 05:14:19 so: karma at large fixed (more or less) Oct 19 05:14:57 sending tokens for council election based on karma should be no problem Oct 19 07:26:02 good morning... Oct 19 07:43:13 One of the neat aspects about using a Nokia N900, at least in Canada, is that it is a rare model of computer in general contexts: the only other Nokia N900 users I have met IRL have been at the Vancouver Hack(er)Space (the VHS) or at “LinuxCon” North America 2011 in Vancouver, British Columbia. Oct 19 07:54:49 cool Oct 19 07:56:28 DocScrutinizer05: Is it possible for the Neo900 to use a removable non-volatile secondary storage device instead of eMMC? I dislike relying on secondary storage fixed on a mainboard because it is too risky; I have been fscked too many times by losing access to the contents of secondary storage fixed (soldered) on a failed or otherwise unusable mainboard. Oct 19 07:56:33 ~flasher Oct 19 07:56:33 flasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher, or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Oct 19 07:58:03 brolin_empey: umm, I don't really get it. You want two SD-cards? Oct 19 07:58:51 is there some flasher to have in arch linux DocScrutinizer05 Oct 19 07:59:03 sorry? Oct 19 07:59:30 yes... I mean can you link me the flasher to use on arch linux pc Oct 19 07:59:59 err, the .deb should prolly work, no? Oct 19 08:00:00 zemmy: There is a tar.gz that you can use for sure Oct 19 08:00:12 aah, or tarball yes Oct 19 08:00:20 version ? maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz Oct 19 08:00:25 Yes Oct 19 08:00:54 or you use 0xffff if you don't like blobs Oct 19 08:00:54 but I am on this site http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Oct 19 08:01:01 it says tablets... I am using n900 Oct 19 08:01:05 is it alright? Oct 19 08:01:19 It is Oct 19 08:01:22 ok Oct 19 08:01:23 sigh Oct 19 08:01:33 :) Oct 19 08:01:38 Do you ever sleep? Oct 19 08:01:43 no Oct 19 08:01:52 Thought so Oct 19 08:02:02 let's start to compile it Oct 19 08:02:18 hmm? Oct 19 08:02:18 There's a configure, then just make, make install Oct 19 08:02:23 Sorry, j/k Oct 19 08:02:56 ~gentoo Oct 19 08:02:56 It's a binary. Nothing to compile, zemmy Oct 19 08:03:18 DocScrutinizer05: I want the system to run from a removable storage device which can be moved to and used in another of the same model of computer, like with an ATA hard disc drive or solid-state drive in an IBM Personal Computer(/Advanced Technology) compatible. Oct 19 08:03:52 brolin_empey: You can boot from SD just fine Oct 19 08:04:11 brolin_empey: if you really want to use a slow uSD, you're free to boot from that media as well Oct 19 08:05:54 or you cram in a 2" HDD with USB interface ;-) Oct 19 08:06:02 1.6" Oct 19 08:07:18 PCI-card, iirc they have USB too Oct 19 08:07:24 on internal bus Oct 19 08:07:27 ;-D Oct 19 08:07:33 kolp anyway I don't get it started... Oct 19 08:07:38 kolp: DocScrutinizer05: If I boot from an SD card, do I still have any dependency on the (contents of the) eMMC? Oct 19 08:07:53 err, bootloader Oct 19 08:08:25 I.E. uBoot Oct 19 08:08:38 oops, that's NAND Oct 19 08:09:11 no, we already done a complete swap between eMMC and uSD for a guy who had broken eMMC Oct 19 08:09:47 was a funny enterprise, 3 guys worked one day to make it happen Oct 19 08:09:56 finally it was 3 chars patch Oct 19 08:10:27 kolp, [sammy@sammy maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2]$ sh flasher-3.5 Oct 19 08:10:28 flasher-3.5: flasher-3.5: cannot execute binary file Oct 19 08:10:40 zemmy: tar xf maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz; cd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2; ./flasher-3.5 Oct 19 08:10:43 sh? Oct 19 08:10:48 zemmy: It's not a script Oct 19 08:11:12 I did with ./ but Oct 19 08:11:14 nothing Oct 19 08:11:20 No sh Oct 19 08:11:35 [sammy@sammy maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2]$ ./flasher-3.5 Oct 19 08:11:35 ./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Oct 19 08:11:44 ~flashing Oct 19 08:11:45 [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 19 08:12:07 then I tried with sh Oct 19 08:12:09 Use Pali's 0xFFFF Oct 19 08:12:20 meh, will also need libusb Oct 19 08:12:21 I read something on such man or doc Oct 19 08:12:33 But not a specific version Oct 19 08:12:45 let's try to insta ll it Oct 19 08:13:44 there's a command you need to run, which I *always* forget the name of Oct 19 08:13:54 to me it says libusb is installed yet Oct 19 08:14:00 or you use LD_LIBRARYPATH Oct 19 08:14:26 maybe kolp can help out Oct 19 08:14:29 DocScrutinizer05: command to do what? Oct 19 08:14:39 lib-path-cache Oct 19 08:14:47 and symlinks Oct 19 08:15:35 Wow: my Friday night was, as usual, super exciting. Oct 19 08:16:08 ldconfig Oct 19 08:17:29 symlink not yet installed but what is it for? Oct 19 08:18:29 ldconfig -p | grep usb Oct 19 08:18:54 any plex client for maemo? Oct 19 08:18:55 heh Oct 19 08:18:58 to me kolp? Oct 19 08:19:05 zemmy: yes Oct 19 08:19:08 FWIW: http://privatepaste.com/891fac0dcb Oct 19 08:19:11 shall I plug the n900 Oct 19 08:19:16 Nono Oct 19 08:19:20 alrigh Oct 19 08:19:54 kolp http://pastie.org/private/bm7tz2mdhrfby8seomykeq Oct 19 08:22:58 Hm, Looks fine. Shoudln't it Just Work? Oct 19 08:24:47 What does ldd flasher-3.5 say? Oct 19 08:24:52 64bit? Oct 19 08:25:09 Ah, maybe Oct 19 08:25:14 No clue how that is handled Oct 19 08:25:26 Use 0xFFFF :) Oct 19 08:26:40 libusb-0.1.so.4 (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib64/libusb-0.1.so.4 Oct 19 08:26:42 libusb-0.1.so.4 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4 Oct 19 08:27:34 wasn't there a damn statically linked flasher once? Oct 19 08:28:16 ~flashing Oct 19 08:28:17 maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 19 08:28:32 search for libusb Oct 19 08:28:41 sorry I waas away I had to ... grab kilos of water Oct 19 08:29:22 >> Oct 19 08:29:23 Some notes: Oct 19 08:29:23 afk Oct 19 08:29:24 If you get this error while trying to run flasher-3.5 Oct 19 08:29:26 ./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Oct 19 08:29:27 you are probably on 64 bit and you need to install a libusb compatibility package. For example, on openSUSE 11.4 you just run Oct 19 08:29:29 zypper in libusb-0_1-4-32bit Oct 19 08:29:30 << Oct 19 08:30:08 soooooo? Oct 19 08:30:31 anyway http://pastie.org/private/odomztpubqox4mra2ehmea Oct 19 08:31:14 FSCK pastie Oct 19 08:31:24 cookie infested shite Oct 19 08:31:30 ? Oct 19 08:31:59 and javascript, wants even set cookies when you close window Oct 19 08:32:33 sooooo install libusb-0_1-4-32bit Oct 19 08:32:52 and read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 19 08:32:53 ahahaha upon 64 bit systemm Oct 19 08:33:00 is it possible? Oct 19 08:33:07 and read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware !!!!!!!!! Oct 19 08:33:11 ok Oct 19 08:33:24 zemmy: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch64_FAQ#Can_I_run_32-bit_apps_inside_Arch64.3F Oct 19 08:33:34 alright Oct 19 08:34:25 wth is boring Oct 19 08:34:41 what is just supposed to do Oct 19 08:34:56 I gave you the link two times, I even spammed the channel with a 6 lines fullquote Oct 19 08:35:11 3 times Oct 19 08:35:34 but the link shows up a huge page Is boooring Oct 19 08:35:41 what of >> you are probably on 64 bit and you need to install a libusb compatibility package. << is so complex? Oct 19 08:35:58 nope... alright Oct 19 08:36:06 but I need to compile that Oct 19 08:36:08 sorry, you won't get private lessons for free here Oct 19 08:36:17 ... Oct 19 08:36:47 ok I pass to my notebook which is 32 bit Oct 19 08:38:00 hey all Oct 19 08:40:42 installed the deb flasher -.- Oct 19 08:40:47 this is boring as well Oct 19 08:42:51 so to install the rescueOS.img I just have to execute sudo -F flasher-3.5 -f or what? Oct 19 08:44:39 ... maybe is better to wait for N1N Oct 19 08:46:19 no, you don't *flash* the rescueOS Oct 19 08:46:33 see the readme file that comes with rescueOS Oct 19 08:46:39 NIN101, you are here Oct 19 08:46:40 no -f Oct 19 08:46:47 oh ok Oct 19 08:46:59 so you want me to do it correctly Oct 19 08:47:11 and no sudo -F Oct 19 08:47:15 alright Oct 19 08:47:18 that's completely garbled Oct 19 08:47:25 you are not so mean Oct 19 08:47:44 (sudo) flasher-3.5 -F -l or whatever Oct 19 08:47:44 ... if you were you could say yess do it Oct 19 08:49:06 nah, we suggest lusers to clean their device in the automatic dish washer Oct 19 08:49:17 ahahahaha Oct 19 08:49:37 or run nandtest Oct 19 08:49:40 you see now I know when you are joking Oct 19 08:49:42 ;-P Oct 19 08:50:18 nandtest conveniently deletes ALL data and config from your device Oct 19 08:50:37 irrecoverably Oct 19 08:51:02 including Oct 19 08:51:04 ~cal Oct 19 08:51:04 somebody said cal was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 Oct 19 08:52:35 turns N900 in a nice living brick Oct 19 08:52:59 sorry anyway DocScrutinizer05 but I need a repetition... so... I must do sudo flasher-3.5 -F rescueOS-1.1.img -l Oct 19 08:53:27 I'm not 100% sure about the -l Oct 19 08:53:38 NIN101, ? Oct 19 08:53:44 might be another char that means "-Load to ram" Oct 19 08:53:57 do a flasher-3.5 --help Oct 19 08:54:00 ok Oct 19 08:54:28 or *read the readme* in rescueOS tarball Oct 19 08:55:59 flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" from http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Nin101/N900_Rescue_OS Oct 19 08:56:12 what the heck Oct 19 08:56:17 all that means Oct 19 08:57:34 -k is the kernel image file, -n is probably a initrd image file, -l means "load to RAM", -b is the kernel commandline iirc Oct 19 08:59:04 from "root=/dev/ram0" you can tell it searches for rootfs in RAM and not on any storage device Oct 19 08:59:09 weird... I don't want create a bootable microsd in order to boot this rescueOS after inside the n900 Oct 19 08:59:19 that's the guide for Oct 19 08:59:28 wwaaaa too bored to read all but I did Oct 19 09:00:29 therefore we do not want to describe how to install it on the N900. OMG Oct 19 09:00:31 NIN101, Oct 19 09:00:37 Sorry zammy, but 'too bored' is really not the right attitude to ask for free help Oct 19 09:00:44 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/NIN101_N900_rescue_os/nin101.uni.cx/N900/rescueOS/documentation.txt Oct 19 09:02:08 so DocScrutinizer05 it's right that is the command I must execute Oct 19 09:02:44 this guide is more useful I think Oct 19 09:04:31 I just must do this -Backuping files prior to a reflash. Oct 19 09:04:40 I START Oct 19 09:05:49 now I am here. Oct 19 09:05:56 ... Oct 19 09:05:59 right in time Oct 19 09:06:04 I was pressing execute Oct 19 09:06:36 I have installed flasher mate and downloaded the rescueOS-1.1.img Oct 19 09:06:52 now? the command I must execute is flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" right? Oct 19 09:06:57 with sudo or without? Oct 19 09:06:59 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/NIN101_N900_rescue_os/nin101.uni.cx/N900/rescueOS/ Oct 19 09:07:05 http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/documentation.txt this is the official documentation, other mirrors and wiki articles are probably outdated Oct 19 09:07:12 with Oct 19 09:07:44 yes NIN101 that's the coolest guide upon it Oct 19 09:08:09 so I just execute Oct 19 09:08:40 but I need to substitute initrd.img with rescueOS-1.1.img right? Oct 19 09:08:46 correct. Oct 19 09:09:36 it outputs no such file or directory Oct 19 09:09:47 then you haven't downloaded the kernel. Oct 19 09:09:56 http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/2.6.37 Oct 19 09:10:13 now I understand all the command line Oct 19 09:10:34 I admit it could have been better named than "2.6.37" Oct 19 09:11:11 yes it's started Oct 19 09:11:18 \o/ Oct 19 09:11:20 n900 started to behave weird Oct 19 09:11:45 it askes in small character something Oct 19 09:12:00 FTP Oct 19 09:12:04 anonymous Oct 19 09:12:12 y/n Oct 19 09:12:18 usually it's quite readable... Oct 19 09:12:50 NIN101, anyway let me tell you it's quite cool since I could not boot any thing here Oct 19 09:12:53 it asks you 3 questions. Oct 19 09:13:11 any THING Oct 19 09:13:17 so I y or n Oct 19 09:13:19 ftp Oct 19 09:13:26 anonymous download and up Oct 19 09:13:36 depends on whether you think you will need it. Oct 19 09:13:49 yes I must save datas from n900 to pc Oct 19 09:13:54 so I 'd say yes Oct 19 09:14:07 I'd say no Oct 19 09:14:13 yeah Oct 19 09:14:18 when you already don't know Oct 19 09:14:19 though if you use mass-storage mode you won't need it. Oct 19 09:14:25 oh... now I remember why I would do it by my desktop pc and not by notebook... because here I have no free storage Oct 19 09:14:41 I must to ssh further from notebook to desktop Oct 19 09:14:48 that's I know how to Oct 19 09:15:26 alright so I say no Oct 19 09:15:29 ? Oct 19 09:15:42 don't be ambiguous NIN Oct 19 09:15:45 NIN101, Oct 19 09:16:12 pretty much doesn't matter. I would say yes to FTP, yes to telnetd, and no to usb networking if you want to use mass-storage mode Oct 19 09:16:24 ok Oct 19 09:16:29 that's cool sentence NIN Oct 19 09:17:01 finally... yeah I am in shell Oct 19 09:18:05 /rescueOS/mass-storage-enable.sh this right? NIN101 Oct 19 09:18:14 yes Oct 19 09:18:33 I would have tab now... hehe Oct 19 09:18:53 usually shift + space. Oct 19 09:19:11 really? that's a clue for me Oct 19 09:19:51 cool my god the notebook has just mounted that folder Oct 19 09:20:31 alright now I open ssh folder too and I save all Oct 19 09:20:40 thank you very much NIN101 Oct 19 09:20:45 yw Oct 19 09:20:49 not you DocScrutinizer05 you were almost mean with me Oct 19 09:20:51 XD Oct 19 09:22:44 ~nuke zammy Oct 19 09:22:45 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at zammy ... B☢☢M! Oct 19 09:41:23 and if NIN101 I mean... is also charging the battery? Oct 19 09:41:52 because it needs a while... I 'd say 2 hours and 50 minutes Oct 19 09:43:41 read the documentation Oct 19 09:44:21 basically it's not unless you ask it to. Oct 19 09:51:32 A wonderful good Morning (UGT). Oct 19 09:57:45 NIN101, the script for battery has to be improved... it says in loop something... like Status: 0x20 Mode: StandBY FULL: 1 Wall: 0 voltage: 386x NAC: 1091xx level: 80 % rate - 307 System: -1 Oct 19 09:57:50 and so on... Oct 19 09:58:11 it updates but I would this not looping overall the screen like panic errors Oct 19 09:59:58 hmm? Oct 19 10:00:37 you can redirect the output to a file if it annoys you. Oct 19 10:00:49 to dev/null Oct 19 10:00:59 or there, yeah. Oct 19 10:01:26 I don't need the shell now... but If I must use again the shell I must stop all this NIN101 this is what I want to say and not that's annoying me Oct 19 10:01:38 i wouldn't know how this can annoy you, when you're anyway using MSM and not using console Oct 19 10:03:02 alright? Oct 19 10:21:47 wth NIN101 the level goes down... does not increase the battery this script? Oct 19 10:22:53 when there's not power then it doesn't charge Oct 19 10:23:20 when it's full and in standby mode then it doesn't charge Oct 19 10:25:13 zammy: This script was not written by me. I in general don't know much about the inner workings of it... Oct 19 10:27:01 I can even use nano and edit the script... Oct 19 10:27:09 but I don't understand it neither Oct 19 10:30:21 how to write | inside the terminal without that cool feature... Oct 19 10:30:34 by only combo of keys Oct 19 10:31:52 it depends on your keyboard. Oct 19 10:32:06 this is the part that sucks most about rescueOS, not localized keymaps. Oct 19 10:32:25 but it's quite some boring work nobody wants to do. Oct 19 10:34:31 so... I passed over I need ssh server enabled into n900 by command line Oct 19 10:34:50 so with ssh I overtake my n900 and I can handle the charging stuff too Oct 19 10:35:29 this can be done using usb-networking and telnetd which you activated on boot. no ssh in rescueOS. However, usb-networking can't be active while usb mass-storde mode is. Oct 19 10:35:39 oh right telnet Oct 19 10:35:50 that's is enabled for sure and I wanna use it Oct 19 10:35:52 experienced Oct 19 10:36:40 so... telnet 192.168.1.72 and? Oct 19 10:37:57 it's not by wifi... Oct 19 10:38:06 oh gosh I am dumb Oct 19 10:39:52 I give up... at least after this 1:50 hour I hope my battery can resist until the end Oct 19 10:41:11 i loved my N800 but hated the camera/stylus hump Oct 19 10:42:28 i could kill a man with that thing Oct 19 10:43:30 just whack them on the head with an N800, fiddle around with it, watch them collapsed Oct 19 10:54:20 airy plastic shells with lots of give are good for impact resistance Oct 19 10:56:31 m6be i'd evfen take a picture with it's shitty camera Oct 19 10:56:55 *its Oct 19 10:58:44 i dont think ive ever used the camera Oct 19 10:59:26 me neither Oct 19 10:59:44 it kept the tradition for front facing cameras on everything to be shit Oct 19 11:00:26 the only device i've owned with a half decent one was a nexus 4 and it was for someone else Oct 19 11:02:03 also the wifi range on the N800 was great Oct 19 11:02:25 full bars everywhere inside, can pick up wifi where my N900 can't or struggles Oct 19 11:02:59 wow wonderful features the n800 Oct 19 11:03:12 a killer would buy it Oct 19 11:20:25 I find my N900 has better wifi range than N800 or N810 Oct 19 11:21:03 I need to test the hit feature of my brick n900 Oct 19 11:21:26 I test on my dad's head Oct 19 11:21:52 omg... n900 kills as well as Oct 19 11:21:54 don't miss to install FlyN900 first Oct 19 11:22:10 oh right let's test it again on my mum Oct 19 11:22:57 uhmm gps now? Oct 19 11:24:01 mummy is dead Oct 19 11:24:08 omg this n900 is a killer Oct 19 11:24:26 now remains to call 911 Oct 19 11:24:42 I start to get bored by posts on Neo900 thread Oct 19 11:24:44 oh fuck so difficult to explain to n900 to call it Oct 19 11:25:06 it wants kill my self omg Oct 19 11:25:24 what are you smoking? Oct 19 11:25:38 the n900 supply battery Oct 19 11:25:39 i don't have 1000$ to spend a motherboard sadly Oct 19 11:25:47 this guy is high as fuck Oct 19 11:25:58 quite Oct 19 11:26:09 n900 kills all mothers even motherboard Oct 19 11:26:27 * Wizzup casts /ignore Oct 19 11:26:35 can i have what he's smoking? Oct 19 11:26:50 stay clear of that stuff, it#s bad Oct 19 11:26:56 the BL-5J battery Oct 19 11:27:04 burn it Oct 19 11:27:07 and smell Oct 19 11:27:29 he's high on lithium, watch out Oct 19 11:27:34 hmm HF, tasty Oct 19 11:28:55 mashina seems to me mescalina Oct 19 11:28:57 XD Oct 19 11:30:52 DocScrutinizer05, I am copying also opt and user folders Oct 19 11:31:00 further to mydocs Oct 19 11:31:23 /etc Oct 19 11:31:25 this guy will run with / as fat32 Oct 19 11:31:33 who is fat Oct 19 11:31:36 I am not fat Oct 19 11:31:41 I am tight high Oct 19 11:32:17 XD I love mescalima Oct 19 11:32:29 anyway DocScrutinizer05 there is no etc folder Oct 19 11:32:38 right Oct 19 11:32:41 all I saw is just opt and user and mydocs Oct 19 11:32:57 forget about opt Oct 19 11:33:26 I forget too many things lastely... maybe I must stop with LSA Oct 19 11:33:32 and LSD Oct 19 11:33:35 and mescalina Oct 19 11:33:57 start with stopping noise Oct 19 11:34:04 right Oct 19 11:34:05 dont do drugs Oct 19 11:34:05 sure Oct 19 11:34:16 I produce it but taste is my duty Oct 19 11:34:32 talk.maemo.org supports Mothers Against Drunk IRC. Oct 19 11:36:11 talk.m.o supports karma now again Oct 19 11:37:03 so odds are some of you guys will receive a voting token this time, even when you didn't get one last time Oct 19 11:37:12 good morning - Sent from my N900 Oct 19 11:37:26 how is everyone? - Sent from my N900 Oct 19 11:37:32 =p Oct 19 11:38:11 i shpuld do that to assert dominance over android users Oct 19 11:39:02 if i want to change the mtdparts i can do so through flasher3-5 command line options ans it will set them up for me? Oct 19 11:39:48 mashina n900 can kills all androids Oct 19 11:39:55 humanoids and aliens Oct 19 11:41:17 hey sono - Sent from my N900 using Irssi Oct 19 11:41:19 sono I don't eat flesh anymore... I don't attend mtdparts Oct 19 11:42:01 I can't give advices to you if you did not get it Oct 19 11:42:10 just in case I told you Oct 19 11:43:27 so? - Sent from my N900 using mosh, tmux and irssi. Oct 19 11:43:40 i use ssh tmux and irssi Oct 19 11:43:48 not cool yet Oct 19 11:43:58 8========D Oct 19 11:44:15 so mature Oct 19 11:44:28 I use ssh, GNU Screen and irssi Oct 19 11:44:55 screen? you disgust me Oct 19 11:45:04 ;-P Oct 19 11:45:11 Mr. Schrödinger rules. Oct 19 11:45:18 Or Schröder? Oct 19 11:45:27 why dont yiu use tmux Oct 19 11:45:42 ~coreutils Oct 19 11:45:42 if coreutils doesn't show any more colors for +x files, update coreutils from deb http://ludicrus.ath.cx/debian/ ./ Oct 19 11:45:50 hm Oct 19 11:46:03 It does not have the same Default Input Layouts and I am too lazy to configure it. Oct 19 11:46:49 ah, gnu- Oct 19 11:47:03 isnt busybox good enough Oct 19 11:47:28 no. Oct 19 11:48:00 who saw The Trip on youtube Oct 19 11:51:20 sono: mtdparts are hardcoded into flasher, NOLO dunnowhatelse Oct 19 11:51:55 that's the reason why they didn't nuke initrd mtdpart Oct 19 11:52:12 even on N900 where it#s orphaned and abandoned Oct 19 11:52:33 a pity since it#s too small for even ubifs Oct 19 11:52:41 poor orphaned n900 Oct 19 11:52:50 poor too small Oct 19 11:53:03 oh please stop it Oct 19 11:53:08 ok Oct 19 11:53:16 hm Oct 19 11:53:27 thanks for the caution, doc Oct 19 11:53:57 np Oct 19 11:57:04 sono: you know `cat /proc/mtd` Oct 19 11:57:44 yea, i was missing them from cmdline so they must be compiled in Oct 19 11:58:22 and i read about someone who evidently customized it, as i want to as well Oct 19 11:58:43 it can wait Oct 19 11:59:20 this phone is so sexy Oct 19 11:59:35 don't use in that way you are thinking at Oct 19 11:59:39 customized what? Oct 19 11:59:53 mtdparts layout Oct 19 11:59:59 o.O Oct 19 12:00:25 you need to patch kernel at least, and this will still cause havoc when flashing Oct 19 12:00:45 why not? it is no dark magic. bigger root, less home Oct 19 12:00:52 unless you patch NOLO and flasher as well Oct 19 12:01:06 huh? Oct 19 12:01:08 * sono loves patching kernels. Oct 19 12:01:39 you're aware that home is on a different chip? Oct 19 12:02:10 chips not only partitions? Oct 19 12:02:18 are you sure you don't mix this with eMMC repartitioning? Oct 19 12:02:24 * sono frantically types mount Oct 19 12:02:30 possibly Oct 19 12:02:40 =3 Oct 19 12:02:50 NAND MTD is 256MB total Oct 19 12:02:54 oh Oct 19 12:03:04 i see Oct 19 12:03:10 thanks Oct 19 12:03:48 yea, i am doing mny things at once... Oct 19 12:04:49 for eMMC repartitioning see Oct 19 12:04:52 ~jrtools Oct 19 12:04:53 jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 19 12:05:27 most easy way to get eMMC repartitioned Oct 19 12:05:41 also see Oct 19 12:05:45 ~ptification Oct 19 12:05:47 so I am right... not different devices... but partitions Oct 19 12:05:49 ~optification Oct 19 12:05:50 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Oct 19 12:06:06 ...and how /opt is a bindmount to /home/opt Oct 19 12:06:56 but if I want install the archlinux version of n900 firmware Oct 19 12:07:01 I don't need to backup opt Oct 19 12:07:13 also check maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh maemo-optify-firstboot.sh maemo-optify-lib.sh maemo-optify-make-mountbind.sh Oct 19 12:08:39 sono: see also about meego: installing to uSd / installing to eMMC Oct 19 12:11:06 kolp: what been our problem with Itt karma now? Oct 19 12:11:19 I admit I can't spot when we fixed it Oct 19 12:11:25 and how Oct 19 12:12:56 well i will remember to search for this in the logs; not flashing at this point Oct 19 12:13:05 the binds, yes... Oct 19 12:13:14 hah, Dave Neary reclaimed his karma 7 minutes ago Oct 19 12:52:55 finally finished to backup Oct 19 13:07:44 DocScrutinizer05, what is the latest firmware to flash on? Oct 19 13:07:52 ~firmware Oct 19 13:07:52 rumour has it, firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/ Oct 19 13:08:03 ~pr131 Oct 19 13:08:03 hmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 19 13:08:18 pr sounds like a fart did someone say that? Oct 19 13:09:43 nevermind... anyway which is the difference of both bins? Oct 19 13:09:56 ~flashing Oct 19 13:09:57 maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 19 13:10:17 I know this... thankful for repeating... Oct 19 13:10:23 ooh, those two. none Oct 19 13:10:41 lol? Oct 19 13:10:46 ? Oct 19 13:11:15 no difference between RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 19 13:11:24 oh right Oct 19 13:11:36 there is no... but wth two links Oct 19 13:11:58 alright the fastest won Oct 19 13:12:53 and DocScrutinizer05 what about new OS for next n900? Oct 19 13:13:30 what such neo900 Oct 19 13:13:52 zammy: eveyone will be free to create/port any OS to neo900 Oct 19 13:14:05 it will be open platform, just like pc Oct 19 13:14:33 (or like openmoko devices, or like gta04 is right now) Oct 19 13:14:35 hi dos1 Oct 19 13:14:40 do you mean automatic upgrade? Oct 19 13:14:51 DocScrutinizer05: hello Oct 19 13:16:27 smooth upgrade it says well so what's the problem... if I want to install right now neo900 Oct 19 13:17:38 zammy: sorry, I don't really understand you Oct 19 13:17:40 * DocScrutinizer05 gives up Oct 19 13:18:43 dos1, I read on neo900.org it says smooth upgrade for n900 Oct 19 13:19:00 zammy: hardware upgrade Oct 19 13:19:06 and there is a talk.maemo post very interesting... and it's enough I don't read all the posts Oct 19 13:19:22 yes... and also about the LTE upgrade right now I was reading Oct 19 13:19:47 but... what about the bin for flashing the neo900 right now that I need to flash Oct 19 13:20:06 zammy: there's no neo900 produced yet Oct 19 13:20:12 oh... Oct 19 13:20:17 so obviously there are no images available for neo900 yet Oct 19 13:21:14 what about graphic support on n900? Will we be able to get a powervr version? Oct 19 13:24:33 the talk.maemo speask also about 700euro for the complete product Oct 19 13:24:52 but if I wanna just upgrade does not tell about that Oct 19 13:31:54 if my battery is at 30% of level can I flash n900 DocScrutinizer05 ? Oct 19 13:35:56 no Oct 19 13:36:00 well Oct 19 13:36:04 it'll probably allow you to do so Oct 19 13:36:04 but no Oct 19 13:36:23 don't do that Oct 19 13:36:25 charge the battery Oct 19 13:39:22 can istop topress u? Oct 19 13:39:54 alright I had to change battery Oct 19 13:41:59 DocScrutinizer05, it finished the sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f Oct 19 13:42:02 and now? Oct 19 13:42:58 it kept one minute and I don't see the reason why it needed the full battery Oct 19 13:50:03 zammy: for just a motherboard it's going to be somewhere around 100-150 EUR cheaper Oct 19 13:50:45 so 600euro? Oct 19 13:50:50 550? Oct 19 13:50:59 we'll see, those are just estimations for now Oct 19 13:56:54 rebooted device all fine mates Oct 19 15:23:05 hi all Oct 19 15:23:17 I am looking for app in maemo that can send sms when I missed call , like I will call later or I am in a meeting? Oct 19 15:41:49 ~skype Oct 19 15:41:49 [~skype] Skype is a free VoIP software and service using a closed client and propritary protocol. Only commercial channel drivers exist, with most solutions being complex, complicated, and hack-ish . Digium's SkypeForAsterisk (see ~SkypeForAsterisk) is a new solution that is a cleaner non-dependent option. Oct 19 15:43:32 DocScrutinizer05: (how we fixed karma) I'm not entirely sure myself either, but it might have just been the casts?!? Oct 19 15:46:08 ~propritary~ Oct 19 15:46:19 not sure if on purpose :) Oct 19 15:51:01 karma? Oct 19 15:51:11 ~karma Oct 19 15:51:11 sono has neutral karma Oct 19 15:51:47 i remember seeing that feature years ago in some other #... Oct 19 15:53:04 sono: If you have an accoun ton maemo.org (not tmo) you can accumulate karma. And use that for passive or active voting on the community council Oct 19 15:53:21 s/not/in addition to/ Oct 19 15:53:22 kolp meant: sono: If you have an accoun ton maemo.org (in addition to tmo) you can accumulate karma. And use that for passive or active voting on the community council Oct 19 16:12:01 cock Oct 19 16:12:09 s/cock/thanks Oct 19 16:12:15 s/cock/thanks/ Oct 19 16:12:15 sono meant: s/thanks/thanks Oct 19 16:12:21 ... Oct 19 16:12:33 a common mistake. Oct 19 16:12:57 the keys are ok. Oct 19 16:13:20 but how do you press ctrl-a without going insane Oct 19 16:23:40 ~tvout Oct 19 16:26:38 ~mumble Oct 19 16:26:38 somebody said mumble was an open source, low-latency, high quality voice chat software primarily intended for use while gaming, found at http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ Oct 19 17:29:11 mumble is in extras-devel and unstable Oct 19 17:29:21 infobot: forget mumble Oct 19 17:29:25 sono: i forgot mumble Oct 19 17:29:36 infobot: mumble is in extras-devel and unstable Oct 19 17:29:39 sono: okay Oct 19 17:30:38 no luck with input. crash when opening settings dialog. error log spam. Oct 19 17:32:46 ~alsamixer Oct 19 17:33:04 why can't i see the uSD card over MSC? Oct 19 17:33:12 (on a desktop linux machine) Oct 19 17:33:12 infobot: alsamixer is alsamixer -c 0 Oct 19 17:33:12 sono: I think you lost me on that one Oct 19 17:33:42 is that supposed to be an error message? Oct 19 17:34:10 BCMM: dmesg? Oct 19 17:34:10 BCMM: msc being? Oct 19 17:34:30 ~alsamixer Oct 19 17:34:39 infobot: forget alsamixer Oct 19 17:34:39 i didn't have anything called 'alsamixer' to forget, sono Oct 19 17:34:46 and sono .. what's happening? Oct 19 17:34:52 infobot: alsamixer is "alsamixer -c 0" Oct 19 17:34:52 okay, sono Oct 19 17:34:59 infobot: thanks Oct 19 17:34:59 pas de quoi, sono Oct 19 17:35:07 Sicelo: sorry, i mean USB MSC Oct 19 17:35:10 i mean, mass storage mode Oct 19 17:35:20 BCMM: dmesg? Oct 19 17:35:33 likely BCMM you have something using it in maemo Oct 19 17:35:50 try lsof.. even though it is not perfect in maemo Oct 19 17:36:07 Sicelo: nah, it became inaccessible in maemo Oct 19 17:36:34 or at least, file manager said it was Oct 19 17:36:35 ah, lol.. so no way it will be accesible via storage mode.. Oct 19 17:36:40 i guess i didn't actually check Oct 19 17:36:41 wait.. Oct 19 17:36:44 oh Oct 19 17:38:09 so make sure of that.. then do an fdisk on the appropriate sdX drive on computer once you plug you N900 Oct 19 17:38:50 Sicelo: i only got one sdX on the desktop Oct 19 17:38:53 (and that was mydocs) Oct 19 17:39:11 mydocs is not uSD Oct 19 17:39:47 i know; they are supposed to come up as two devices on the host machine, right? Oct 19 17:39:50 like, sdc and sdd? Oct 19 17:39:58 nop Oct 19 17:40:11 just one.. but with two fs Oct 19 17:40:20 sdc1 , sdc2 Oct 19 17:40:32 something like that.. let me confirm though Oct 19 17:41:36 lol, ok. you are right Oct 19 17:41:50 should have two devices Oct 19 17:42:02 and i checked, maemo has unmounted it Oct 19 17:42:08 it might be a problem with my desktop tbh Oct 19 17:42:13 removable media is slightly odd Oct 19 17:42:30 for some reason, KDE doesn't pop up a notice about something being plugged in until a read at least a byte from it Oct 19 17:42:42 e.g. i do `file -s /dev/sdc` Oct 19 17:43:00 but now i'm offtopic Oct 19 17:43:59 but if fdisk doesn't show it.. i doubt i could blame KDE Oct 19 17:47:03 BCMM: you're absolutely sure `fdisk -l` doesn't show the uSD? Oct 19 17:47:26 will try again in a minute Oct 19 17:47:31 didn't try fdisk -l Oct 19 19:12:44 MyDocs is readonly, and i can't tell why Oct 19 19:12:56 i have fsck'ed it from another computer in mass storage mode, and it's fine Oct 19 19:13:11 it seems to have started after i manually unmounted the microSD card (not MyDocs) Oct 19 19:13:19 how can i get a read-only MyDocs back? Oct 19 19:15:01 rescueoss? Oct 19 19:15:49 ~rescueos Oct 19 19:15:49 hmm... rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Oct 19 19:39:50 hello guys Oct 19 19:40:13 i am using a faster ans brand new n900 Oct 19 19:40:37 thank you too doc Oct 19 19:41:01 idk how to make tab here chatting in xchat Oct 19 19:47:27 lol Oct 19 19:47:40 too dark xhat Oct 19 19:56:30 need to somehow make xchat just display everything in black and white, the purple and dark green has to go... Oct 19 19:57:14 sono: how does rescueOS help in this situation? Oct 19 19:57:25 i mean, what should i do with rescueOS? Oct 19 19:57:37 the FAT seems to be fine, it just keeps mounting ro Oct 19 19:58:16 hello Oct 19 19:58:45 DocScrutinizer05, hello Oct 19 19:59:38 BCMM, if you have boot menu installed Oct 19 19:59:43 zamn900: i do Oct 19 19:59:52 you can even use that Oct 19 20:00:16 zamn900: i'm rebooting, but i'm not sure what i need to do with boot menu Oct 19 20:00:17 to open your folders into your pc by usb Oct 19 20:00:33 i already fscked MyDocs over USB Oct 19 20:00:40 alright Oct 19 20:00:59 so for what you are asking for rescueos? Oct 19 20:01:16 zamn900: sono told me to use it, i asked him why Oct 19 20:01:29 so I am Oct 19 20:01:48 ... i don't understand Oct 19 20:02:00 I don't too Oct 19 20:02:07 my problem, as far as i'm concerned, is that mydocs is mounted read-only Oct 19 20:03:03 oh that's simply an option change which fixes that Oct 19 20:03:15 it may have started after i accidentally removed the battery while it was running Oct 19 20:03:23 the option is inside fstab Oct 19 20:03:32 but i saw a message telling me it was RO right after i manually unmounted the SD card Oct 19 20:03:51 yes that happens Oct 19 20:03:56 zamn900: it also gets mounted read-only if it's corrupted Oct 19 20:04:01 maybe i'm using fsck wrong Oct 19 20:04:12 hold on Oct 19 20:04:29 you checked around the fstab stuff Oct 19 20:04:32 ? Oct 19 20:05:18 zamn900: it's an n900 Oct 19 20:05:28 the fstab is created at boot or something Oct 19 20:05:39 anyway, in backupmenu, fstab is blank Oct 19 20:05:45 but n900 has fstab too Oct 19 20:06:36 the fstab is created automatically; modifications to it are not preserved Oct 19 20:06:55 and right now i'm in backupmenu's console, so fstab is blank Oct 19 20:07:08 well let's compare our fstab Oct 19 20:07:33 I ve just installed my n900 from zero today Oct 19 20:07:36 soo Oct 19 20:08:59 BCMM, this is my option related to MyDocs as brand new installed maemo on n900 noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir inside the fstab Oct 19 20:16:53 so something actually is wrong with the partition, and it didn't show up the first time... Oct 19 20:16:58 i seem to have lost a lot of files Oct 19 20:17:33 argh, read errors over usb Oct 19 20:18:43 BCMM, did you find differences comparing the line I posted you with yours? Oct 19 21:42:27 wth I have cutetube but the cutetube player inside Oct 19 21:44:31 is missing Oct 20 01:55:30 my n900 is dropping connections like flies Oct 20 01:55:41 ssh seems stable but irc connections die a lot Oct 20 02:02:24 this is brutal Oct 20 02:02:31 its dropping everything now Oct 20 02:02:51 [86946.828430] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending LOWSIGNAL Oct 20 02:02:51 [86965.158599] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending HIGHSIGNAL Oct 20 02:03:03 it just does that Oct 20 02:09:46 its really bad Oct 20 02:09:56 i have no idea how its this bad Oct 20 02:10:17 i have little distance and little penetration needed **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 20 02:59:58 2013