**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 21 02:59:59 2013 Oct 21 10:18:07 itt: hurr durr why no 5 GB RAM why no 4 Ghz http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1ovdva/neo900_the_open_source_open_hardware_totally_open/ Oct 21 10:18:30 rofl? Oct 21 10:19:15 (i'd like to get one but not at the price of >$1000 and then shipping/duties) Oct 21 10:33:46 Prices may come down when more people gets interested (as in also paying money). It'll be no different to the metal cover for N900, initially it will cost a fair bit but as more people dives in (with money flowing in) the price will go down. Oct 21 10:35:59 Expecting 4GHz processor, 5GB of RAM, some insane X amount for eMMC and Y sort of touchscreen is a ridiculous ask when you didn't even contemplate on factors such as that it will be produced in limited quantities (unless there's more interest flowing in) and that there's no major backing from _any_ big brands. Oct 21 10:36:54 I guess some people really live in a small world.. in their own head thinking Neo900 would be something that would be able to compete with . Oct 21 10:37:20 >competing with Samsung Oct 21 10:37:22 nope Oct 21 10:37:30 >competing with desktops Oct 21 10:37:32 nope Oct 21 10:38:13 * psycho_oreos looks at the retarded comments or probably whatever the OP on that reddit thread posed impression of what Neo900 to be. Oct 21 10:39:10 Neo900 is meant to replace the old N900 board, so it's virtually competing itself. Not whatever other devices or phones floating out there. Oct 21 10:41:14 The amount of ridiculous retards posting Neo900 won't be able to compete with X and Y brand names and their specs should really put money in their mouths. They are all just talks drooling of fanboyism over more powerful products over a measly small project that aims to renew the life of N900. Oct 21 10:41:38 reddit is retarded Oct 21 10:41:45 10-4 Oct 21 10:42:05 I'm sure they wouldn't even be able to fund a decent enough project that would give them 4GHz processor with 5GB of RAM, etc yet they brag like Neo900 is some sort of outdated offspring. Oct 21 10:55:37 i like reddit but android fan users are a special kind of special Oct 21 10:55:46 they demand they must have a pentium 4 in every phone Oct 21 10:55:55 and crazy shit like nfc no on ecares about Oct 21 11:12:26 To an average Joe, there's no difference between a geek and the nerd. Conceptually on the same premise they mean the exact same thing but logically to the minute detail the definition is quite different. Oct 21 11:14:11 I find most of the time the comments of reddit are mostly geeks who fawns at latest technology with low costs. Obviously that does not bode well with those whom have appraisals for things that have already materialised and regardless of how old they are, they are still valuable. Oct 21 11:36:15 ~seen dos1 Oct 21 11:36:20 dos1 <~dos@unaffiliated/dos1> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 6m 38s ago, saying: 'wow :)'. Oct 21 11:36:32 dang! Oct 21 11:42:47 on a comment to the above: we *could* go OMAP5 and thus get 4GB ram and multicore. We just need to sacrifice: Main cam (is in the way), another 3mm of height since OMAP5 is fatter than OMAP3, fremantle binary compatibility thus nuking the whole purpose of the project. If 400 users want that, for ~900EUR per device, we will bring it to you, in 6 months time. Given you pay upfront to finance the development Oct 21 11:45:57 * auenf waits for someone to "Shut up and take my money!" Oct 21 11:46:06 DOS1!!!! Please fix neo900.org to CLEARLY state in BOLD that the device is meant to become the home of freemantle, a COMMUNITY DRIVEN fremantle RE port meant to keep the ecosystem of available apps alive. GolDeliCo will NOT ship any complete OS with the device, it's up to the user and to the community to support whatever OS they want on it. And THATS ACTUALLY THE POINT of Neo900 Oct 21 11:47:27 and WE DONt WANT any crappy capacitive touchscreen. Takle your c-ts and eat it Oct 21 11:47:33 take, even Oct 21 11:47:44 I think the site needs a big warning saying "if you want OMAP5 or 4GB ram or , go buy an Android phone" Oct 21 11:48:05 yes Oct 21 11:49:25 "WARNING! This is a device for the very special and clear cut market of linux hackers, primarily those from Openmoko community and the lots of Maemo N900 lovers" Oct 21 11:49:50 "ANDROID IS *NOT* LINUX!" Oct 21 11:51:22 anyway. mashina, thanks a lot for linking that fun stuff Oct 21 11:52:48 could somebody who cares post https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-21.log.html#t2013-10-21T13:18:07 backlink to that reddit thread? Oct 21 11:53:22 dang, again somehow https sneaked in, I wonder how the heck this happens Oct 21 11:54:18 UGH. mg.pov.lt does it Oct 21 11:55:36 how to kick ass of linkedin to stop spamming me? Oct 21 11:56:02 davi omlo, debt collector uganda - PFFFFF Oct 21 11:56:16 friggin SPAM Oct 21 11:58:20 Sender: messages-noreply@bounce.linkedin.com Received: from maild-fe.linkedin.com ([199.101.162.87]) Oct 21 12:00:06 "ANDROID IS *NOT* LINUX!" Oct 21 12:00:19 +9999999 Oct 21 12:01:19 Android uses Linux. Just not GNU/Linux. Oct 21 12:02:24 just 'cose its not using glibc it dosnt mean its not using gnu software.. Oct 21 12:02:32 ORLY? which linus-kernel? Oct 21 12:03:38 do they push upstream? Oct 21 12:03:56 is userland compatible? Oct 21 12:04:12 WTF are wakelocks? Oct 21 12:04:15 I seem to remember there was a git repo at kernel.org for the Android kernel. Oct 21 12:05:19 a few nifty mean sneaky android core devels might argue what they're doing is still closely linked to linux mainstream. I begg to differ Oct 21 12:06:15 we had our fair share of porting WTF when trying to get some android bits into openmoko Oct 21 12:07:12 even when the kernel core maybe still is 95% linux, the API definitely isn't Oct 21 12:07:17 not even close Oct 21 12:08:14 Kernel stuff is different too Oct 21 12:08:16 and to be honest, in the end I don't give a flying F - just like the android fanboys don't either Oct 21 12:09:07 FirefoxOS, Sailfish, and Ubuntu can run on libhybris that can run with android drivers Oct 21 12:09:31 so theirs is a closed proprietary system with lots of DRM shite and no compatibility to anything, and some weird cyanotic mods - mine is debian, with X on top Oct 21 12:10:44 so each got theirs, and everybody happy. But please stay off my lawn, particularly when it comes to Neo900 Oct 21 12:11:48 otherwise we will switch to HS design for Neo900, and ship a 1st stage BL that nukes the SoC when android stuff detected on device Oct 21 12:11:51 ;-P Oct 21 12:16:21 ok, maybe I got a bit upset and gone too far. Prolly not all my points stand a tough discussion. But in the end one point will actually stand: android fanboys don't give a f*ck about FOSS, they want devices with GHz and GB, and most leete new wallpaper. when next wallpaper is in, they get a new device that comes with that one Oct 21 12:16:56 i prefer wallpapers with #000000 pixels Oct 21 12:20:02 all that reminds me way too much at a kubuntu meeting where system stuff is irrelevant since you all need to find a consensus regarding which sound a closing window shall make. Oct 21 12:21:02 I prefer a rock solid linux system that allows me to choose between 5 or 6 or more desktops, and possibly at least 2 of them are configurable till the point where their own devels don't recognize them anymore Oct 21 12:22:06 and a closing window shouldnt make any sound :) Oct 21 12:22:51 and if all that doesn't meet my taste, I want to be free to code my own KDgnomE Oct 21 12:23:40 * ShadowJK giggles at shuttleworth calling Mir opponents "open source tea party" Oct 21 12:23:43 and the less competable with others , the better! Oct 21 12:24:02 maemo5 kinda still had this type of freedom. Maemo6/meego or sailfish seems to follow another paradigm Oct 21 12:24:24 and android, meh! Oct 21 12:25:28 Shuttleworth in my book is a moron Oct 21 12:25:40 * jonwil loves his Gentoo system Oct 21 12:27:19 I hope he will stick with mir, and die with it Oct 21 12:27:36 world would be a better place without ubuntu Oct 21 12:27:43 ubuntu is an cancer in the foss world... forked from our own code and fucking up the whole foss eco-system Oct 21 12:27:58 yes Oct 21 12:31:56 I remember a long long time ago....in a galaxy far far away...a saying.. .'If you want too see what's the wrong way of doing things in linux -> install RH' .... but time passes , things change... i think s/RH/ubuntu/ is fits the current time. Oct 21 12:33:03 I think Lennart P. being an employee of RH still proves the saying true in its original form ;-) Oct 21 12:33:49 but yeah, meanwhile canonical and google are the new bad boys Oct 21 12:35:13 friggin clever guys who know how to comply with GPL and still fsckup everything for the FOSS community Oct 21 12:35:19 Google is not what it used to be :/ Oct 21 12:36:14 thanks to ignoring and offensively disregarding the philosophy behind FOSS Oct 21 12:38:08 One of the main reasons every year I come closer and closed to RMS's possition on software... he's a bit extreme....quite extreme, but as I said, every year I understand him more and more ... Oct 21 12:38:45 well, yep. kinda Oct 21 12:39:00 just one word: fork-happy Oct 21 12:39:35 forks should get outlawed in GPL, you should need consent from original author to do a fork Oct 21 12:40:07 even that wouldn't stop BS like mir or PA Oct 21 12:41:28 btw what do u thing about LGPL? does it do more good or harm ? Oct 21 12:41:37 DS: Don't agree. Oct 21 12:41:45 Hi everyone! Oct 21 12:42:18 This project seems great, do you consider to increase display resolution in the next revision? Oct 21 12:42:24 DS: Possibility of forking is a good insurance against people going awry with software that you/the world uses. Oct 21 12:44:24 Zack_ ur talking about the neo900,right? Oct 21 12:47:07 next revision? Oct 21 13:02:15 Yup, about Neo900. 'Next revision' is literally next revision - with updated specs and the same form factor. Oct 21 13:05:21 We'll provide both complete, ready to use devices in N900 case, and motherboard replacements for your current device. Neo900 will also support all operating systems available for GTA04 Oct 21 13:05:25 from the neo900 page. Oct 21 13:06:47 Correnct me if I understand it wrong,but the idea is to get new board as upgrade, and keep the case, screen and stuff like that Oct 21 13:06:58 and this is done to save money Oct 21 13:19:43 DocScrutinizer05, congrats, a friend who doesn't follow maemo told me about the Neo900 Oct 21 13:19:55 not sure which news site mentioned it Oct 21 13:19:59 wow! :-) Oct 21 13:20:21 prolly the reddit android thread Oct 21 13:20:47 he also doesn't follow reddit Oct 21 13:20:48 :P Oct 21 13:21:19 oh! Oct 21 13:21:50 seems it's about high time to get some updates on neo900.org Oct 21 13:22:12 fundraiser pending to open any day now Oct 21 13:22:47 * jonwil would donate to project if he had any spare cash Oct 21 13:51:50 yeah, spare cash would be a nice thing Oct 21 14:22:44 I saw slashdot || phoronix mentioned neo900 few days ago.... Oct 21 14:26:00 slashdot?? :-o Oct 21 14:27:16 http://slashdot.org Oct 21 14:31:18 I know what's 7. Oct 21 14:31:25 /. even Oct 21 14:32:35 I even learned what means "you got slashdotted" Oct 21 14:33:45 I'm afraid our site isn't ready for this yet, so we haven't posted anything to /. by ourselves Oct 21 14:34:57 it also won't bring huge effect when the story behind it "sucks" - thus we planned to polish our site a bit more, and then post a _good_ story to /. that actually could kick off the chain reaction Oct 21 14:35:39 that's why I ":-o" when I heard we been mentioned on /. Oct 21 19:24:26 DocScrutinizer05: Oct 21 19:24:26 [21:21] #poettering 4 The official Lennart Poettering fanclub | Wir poettern bis wir pulse hören! | POETTERRRIINNG!!! | WARNING: GIANT PSYCHOACTIVE MUSHROOM BEHIND YOU! | Poettering klingt wie Penisring. | PEEEENISRRRINNG!!! Oct 21 19:24:39 .. want to join that network? :) Oct 21 19:39:45 LOL Oct 21 19:44:25 :D:D Oct 21 19:45:33 ~poettering Oct 21 19:45:51 hm? Oct 21 19:45:54 infobot dead? Oct 21 19:45:55 yes :( Oct 21 19:46:06 :D Oct 21 19:59:44 [*] Oct 21 23:47:18 is the n900 back cover leaning latch mechanism easily dismantleable, in a way so I can attach it back? Oct 21 23:53:16 apparently Oct 21 23:53:19 got it dismantled now :P Oct 21 23:55:12 gonna be a hell to put it back though Oct 21 23:56:28 crap from 5 years ago Oct 21 23:56:38 dust and all that Oct 22 00:43:42 http://sdrv.ms/1b94Uyj yay Oct 22 00:43:52 had to remove the other screw to twist it and align it Oct 22 00:44:19 pop quiz: how many of you scratch your ear with the stylus? Oct 22 00:45:01 is there any http webgui webcam thingy with focus control for maemo? (related to above link :P) Oct 22 01:18:58 DocScrutinizer05: how can I detect a knock now that my n900 is mounted to my door? :P Oct 22 01:50:50 hmm, either with the accelerometer, which actually has a detector for knocks/taps, though this isn't supported by mce and sys/* nodes, so you need to stop all that and talk directly to the lis302 via I2C Oct 22 01:52:00 or you poll constantly and detect in software, which is not THAT bad when using the device stationary. Same applies for microphone Oct 22 01:52:13 bindi: ^^^ Oct 22 02:31:12 DocScrutinizer05: can i hook to those with python easily? python is my preferred language for fiddling with this Oct 22 02:31:31 i dont actually have any experience doing something as fancy as this Oct 22 02:33:21 preferrably looking for "hold my hand" type of help :D Oct 22 02:34:09 good start would be something that gives me a numeric value for vibration/sensor data so i can start doing some knocking and see what kind of values it gets Oct 22 02:34:55 ahha Oct 22 02:35:08 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord Oct 22 02:36:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_accelerometer Oct 22 02:36:52 yeah Oct 22 02:40:30 lol Oct 22 02:40:32 interesting Oct 22 02:40:37 its perfectly still yet the values change Oct 22 02:42:34 this seems hard :p Oct 22 02:45:18 http://bindibox.net/log this is output of the sensor stuff every 30 msec Oct 22 02:45:39 me doing some random knocking on the door Oct 22 02:46:05 yeah, this is kinda sub-optimal. The chip has built-in highpass filters that emphasize changes and filter out the constant component of the signal Oct 22 02:46:30 so, what then? :P Oct 22 02:46:41 microphone? thats like way more advanced Oct 22 02:47:21 as I said, it's not exactly easy to configure and interface the lis302 accelerometer in a senisble way Oct 22 02:47:31 maemo drivers don't support it Oct 22 02:48:11 for microphone you probably do a constant sampling and some pattern matching Oct 22 02:48:38 doable in python? :d **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 22 02:59:58 2013