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Oct 22 03:44:13 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I don't know. Isn't gnuradio also python? If that's the case, then I'd think it's feasible for sure since gnuradio is way more complex than your intended program
Oct 22 05:08:48 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway python is capable of recording stuff from audio, and once it got recorded (1s sample?) you can analyze it, that's simple number crunching
Oct 22 05:22:09 <Macer> well. if there is one thing you miss right away about an n900 it is that awesome hw keyboard heh
Oct 22 06:49:36 <l4m3rx> Good morning :)
Oct 22 11:25:34 <deepy> kerio: how do I power on my N900? no button is werking
Oct 22 11:26:10 <deepy> nevermind, got it
Oct 22 11:29:01 <deepy> darnit, forgot my lock code
Oct 22 11:33:21 <deepy> kerio: how do I reset the lock code D:?
Oct 22 11:33:48 <l4m3rx> reflash
Oct 22 11:36:23 <l4m3rx> ^ if u don't have access to the terminal. if you do http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1333047&postcount=2
Oct 22 11:37:33 <deepy> I have Robbieäs BackupMenu
Oct 22 11:39:38 <l4m3rx> echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): > somefile
Oct 22 11:39:51 <l4m3rx> will store DES hash of ur pass in 'somefile'
Oct 22 11:40:30 <l4m3rx> you can run it on ur pc it will take only few minutes. (with john or whatever software u like)
Oct 22 11:41:22 <l4m3rx> its 100%  5 symbols long and only digits, so this makes it quite easy to bf
Oct 22 11:41:29 <deepy> I lack a USB cable
Oct 22 11:43:29 <l4m3rx> go old school
Oct 22 11:43:39 <l4m3rx> grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1
Oct 22 11:43:53 <l4m3rx> on the n900
Oct 22 11:44:03 <deepy> How/where do I run that?
Oct 22 11:44:05 <l4m3rx> and write it on ur pc :]
Oct 22 11:44:29 <l4m3rx> bootmenu allowed some shell access if i'm not wrong
Oct 22 11:45:06 <deepy> oh, found it
Oct 22 11:45:14 <l4m3rx> s/bootmenu/backupmenu
Oct 22 11:46:05 <deepy> just getting a black screen
Oct 22 11:47:18 <l4m3rx> donno.
Oct 22 11:52:48 <deepy> woo, restored backup
Oct 22 11:57:47 <deepy> can I turn off the backlight no the keys?
Oct 22 12:02:55 <DocScrutinizer05> actually echo root:$(busybox grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): > somefile
Oct 22 12:03:19 <deepy> can't remembe my password for root
Oct 22 12:03:57 <DocScrutinizer05> too bad. uninstall and reinstall ssh
Oct 22 12:04:18 <DocScrutinizer05> or simply try command "root"
Oct 22 12:04:23 <DocScrutinizer05> on device
Oct 22 12:04:36 <deepy> that worked better
Oct 22 12:05:12 <deepy> doesn't the application manager work anymore?
Oct 22 12:05:21 <DocScrutinizer05> it should
Oct 22 12:05:24 <DocScrutinizer05> why?
Oct 22 12:05:33 <deepy> it's just laoding and loading for me
Oct 22 12:05:35 <deepy> nothing happens
Oct 22 12:05:43 <DocScrutinizer05> takes ~7 minutes
Oct 22 12:05:57 <deepy> geez
Oct 22 12:06:00 <DocScrutinizer05> depending on the repos aka catalogs you enabled
Oct 22 12:06:20 <sixwheeledbeast> ~ham
Oct 22 12:06:20 <infobot> somebody said ham was Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does
Oct 22 12:06:59 <DocScrutinizer05> with nothing but the basic repos it takes lile 10s. with extras catalog enabled it takes 3..5min. With extras, extras-testing, AND extras-devel all enabled, it takes >10min
Oct 22 12:07:12 <DocScrutinizer05> s/lile/like/
Oct 22 12:07:13 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: with nothing but the basic repos it takes like 10s. with extras catalog enabled it takes 3..5min. With extras, extras-testing, AND extras-devel all enabled, it takes >10min
Oct 22 12:07:40 <deepy> hmm, it doens't have mosh for me
Oct 22 12:07:41 <deepy> darn
Oct 22 12:08:25 <DocScrutinizer05> mosh? meh!
Oct 22 12:08:38 <DocScrutinizer05> mosh is nonsense in my book
Oct 22 12:08:39 <deepy> what do you mean meh?
Oct 22 12:08:48 <deepy> mosh is brilliant
Oct 22 12:09:04 * RST38h yawns
Oct 22 12:09:06 <DocScrutinizer05> mosh is a battery killer. Dunno who stole the brain of the devels
Oct 22 12:09:30 <deepy> how is it a battery killer?
Oct 22 12:09:36 <RST38h> I did. Have it in a jar, pickled.
Oct 22 12:09:36 <DocScrutinizer05> mosh is brilliant for anything EXCEPT mobile use
Oct 22 12:09:45 <DocScrutinizer05> yummy
Oct 22 12:10:02 <DocScrutinizer05> deepy: it sens a ping every other second
Oct 22 12:10:07 <DocScrutinizer05> sends*
Oct 22 12:10:38 <RST38h> Anything wrong with screen?
Oct 22 12:10:51 <DocScrutinizer05> which is pretty much a sure recipe to make modem cut thru your battery in 2..3h
Oct 22 12:11:01 <DocScrutinizer05> screen is all fine
Oct 22 12:11:09 <DocScrutinizer05> mosh is BS
Oct 22 12:11:30 <deepy> even when it's not in use?
Oct 22 12:11:34 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Oct 22 12:11:46 <deepy> implementation detail!
Oct 22 12:11:51 <DocScrutinizer05> unless you mean "not started"
Oct 22 12:11:53 <deepy> android version does not
Oct 22 12:12:04 <DocScrutinizer05> pfff
Oct 22 12:12:14 <DocScrutinizer05> android is not a OS
Oct 22 12:12:23 <DocScrutinizer05> android is a disease
Oct 22 12:12:34 <RST38h> Meanwhile:  A pre-order page from Dell for the Xbox One "accidentally" (and, it appears, officially) revealed that Windows 8.1 apps will run on the Xbox.
Oct 22 12:12:47 <deepy> But they still have an usable mosh client and the N900 does not ;-)
Oct 22 12:13:01 <DocScrutinizer05> of course mosh doesn't send pings when in background on android, since NOTHING does ANYTHING in this situation
Oct 22 12:13:27 <DocScrutinizer05> deepy: stop spreading nonsense!
Oct 22 12:13:30 <deepy> it did in the version before
Oct 22 12:14:43 <DocScrutinizer05> the fact that android stops all background processes is neither a desirable feature nor does it fix the fundamentally broken mosh
Oct 22 12:15:18 <deepy> it's perfectly possible to make an app that runs in the background on Android
Oct 22 12:15:35 <deepy> and ssh is impossible to use here when 'm walking around
Oct 22 12:15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> it's perfectly possible to live without taking notice of android
Oct 22 12:15:46 <DocScrutinizer05> period
Oct 22 12:15:57 <deepy> Sure it is, but I like being able to use irssi
Oct 22 12:16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> so what?
Oct 22 12:16:24 <deepy> works great when ssh drops every minute
Oct 22 12:16:26 <DocScrutinizer05> roundabout 60% of the users in here use irssi
Oct 22 12:16:27 <l4m3rx> It's not normal in 2013 to need to do extra stuff just so one app can run in bground...don't u think?
Oct 22 12:16:58 <DocScrutinizer05> some even use screen with irssi
Oct 22 12:17:07 <DocScrutinizer05> man screen
Oct 22 12:17:18 <deepy> I use screen with irssi, but you're missing the point
Oct 22 12:17:23 <deepy> my connection drops about once every minute
Oct 22 12:17:30 <DocScrutinizer05> so what?
Oct 22 12:17:35 <l4m3rx> fix ur connection :)
Oct 22 12:17:37 <deepy> then I have to reconnect
Oct 22 12:17:45 <l4m3rx> if u ask me, this is the way to go ;]
Oct 22 12:17:55 <deepy> l4m3rx: sure, come and fix Dublin's 3G network
Oct 22 12:18:03 <DocScrutinizer05> tzz
Oct 22 12:18:07 <l4m3rx> :S
Oct 22 12:19:02 <deepy> I think my favorite one is when ssh just stops, like, it's disconnected but it doesn't notice
Oct 22 12:19:10 <deepy> and then after like 2 minutes it times out
Oct 22 12:19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, when you network forces your device to get another DHCP lease every 60s, you're seriously out of luck 
Oct 22 12:19:54 <deepy> except it works with mosh, I don't really see the problem there
Oct 22 12:20:20 <DocScrutinizer05> the nice thing with ssh: my (W)LAN ssh session to N900 resumes even after 90min out to the pub
Oct 22 12:20:27 <DocScrutinizer05> since IP doesn't change
Oct 22 12:20:41 <deepy> That's WLAN, I'm using mobile internet
Oct 22 12:20:55 <DocScrutinizer05> that's absolutely no difference
Oct 22 12:21:39 <deepy> Well, I don't know what I'm doing wrong then, but the connection dies and refuses to restart
Oct 22 12:21:50 <DocScrutinizer05> *shrug*
Oct 22 12:21:53 <l4m3rx> deepy go 2g?
Oct 22 12:22:04 <deepy> same issue
Oct 22 12:22:23 <l4m3rx> change providers?
Oct 22 12:22:37 <deepy> it's Dublin, they're all bad in one way or another
Oct 22 12:22:54 <l4m3rx> :/
Oct 22 12:23:11 <DocScrutinizer05> that's ridiculous
Oct 22 12:24:07 <deepy> of course it is
Oct 22 12:24:15 <deepy> and so is the fact that the best internet I can get here is 8/0.5
Oct 22 12:24:54 <l4m3rx> speed and stability of the connection are quite different things
Oct 22 12:25:15 <deepy> I stopped caring about stability when I moved here
Oct 22 12:25:30 <l4m3rx> :X
Oct 22 12:25:39 <DocScrutinizer05> and 8/0.5 (I assume Mbit DSL) doesn't sound too bad to me
Oct 22 12:25:55 <deepy> home nework dies for ~3 minutes roughly 10 times per day
Oct 22 12:25:59 <l4m3rx> y, but if u keep in mind that the avreage session is 2-3min..
Oct 22 12:26:25 <deepy> that's between 5PM and 3AM
Oct 22 12:26:33 <deepy> don't know about the rest
Oct 22 12:27:24 <l4m3rx> can I ask, how much do u pay for that?
Oct 22 12:27:43 <deepy> ~47EUR
Oct 22 12:27:53 <l4m3rx> (bow)
Oct 22 12:27:59 <DocScrutinizer05> can I ask how many of your neighbours are reporting similar issues?
Oct 22 12:28:13 <deepy> We don't know any of our neighbours
Oct 22 12:28:20 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
Oct 22 12:28:26 <DocScrutinizer05> thought as much
Oct 22 12:28:31 <l4m3rx> ur hardcode dude .... i would have killed most of the ISP/gsm guys by now
Oct 22 12:28:39 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise you wouldn't have accepted it as your fate
Oct 22 12:28:55 <deepy> l4m3rx: if you call the ISP they just say "everything is fine from here, call eircom"
Oct 22 12:29:15 <DocScrutinizer05> worldwide standard reply
Oct 22 12:29:22 <l4m3rx> and ericom is ur phone provider,right? ( i mean the phone cable network ) ?
Oct 22 12:29:42 <deepy> our ISP pretty much uses eircoms infrastructure
Oct 22 12:29:54 <deepy> they have their own DNS servers but that's about it
Oct 22 12:30:09 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/22/nokia_world_new_kit/
Oct 22 12:30:10 <l4m3rx> every ISP should have their own network (my oppinion)
Oct 22 12:30:30 <l4m3rx> this way , the users have real alternatives.
Oct 22 12:30:36 <deepy> DocScrutinizer05: though theother guys had the exact same issue when they lived 3km away from here
Oct 22 12:31:42 <l4m3rx> don't the ISPs offer FO to home?
Oct 22 12:32:04 <deepy> You can get that in some areas
Oct 22 12:32:33 <deepy> well, cable modem
Oct 22 12:32:46 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, you need to kick your provider's ass
Oct 22 12:32:56 <l4m3rx> ^^ that's what I said.
Oct 22 12:33:03 <DocScrutinizer05> they charge you for a service they don't deliver
Oct 22 12:33:05 <l4m3rx> tell them "fix it, or give me FO!" 
Oct 22 12:33:25 <deepy> What they are doing is not illegal, that's the problem
Oct 22 12:33:29 <DocScrutinizer05> both on DSL and on GSM/UMTS
Oct 22 12:33:41 <DocScrutinizer05> it is illegal
Oct 22 12:33:55 <deepy> but anyways, how do I turn off the backlight on m keyboard?
Oct 22 12:33:56 <DocScrutinizer05> that's way beyond any sane and accepted QoS 
Oct 22 12:34:08 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
Oct 22 12:34:47 <deepy> maybe it's my eyes fooling me
Oct 22 12:35:18 <deepy> could've sworn it was backlit
Oct 22 12:35:33 <deepy> wasn't there a tab key on the keyboard too?
Oct 22 12:38:01 <DocScrutinizer05> backlight on kbd only shines in the dark, when it's bright enough in your location it doesn't waste energy 
Oct 22 12:38:20 <DocScrutinizer05> and no, there never been a tab key, the kbd is no morph
Oct 22 12:38:21 <deepy> I can't turn it of completely?
Oct 22 12:38:30 <DocScrutinizer05> for f in /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:kb?/; do echo 0 >${f}/led_current; done
Oct 22 12:38:47 <deepy> cheers
Oct 22 12:38:55 <deepy> oh well, off to town to get a SIM card
Oct 22 12:39:41 <deepy> oh btw, before that, is thre anything cool I should install?
Oct 22 12:39:52 <DocScrutinizer05> it might get tricky to permanently disable kbd backlight, you might need a patched mce for doing that
Oct 22 12:40:20 <deepy> and is there any good mud client?
Oct 22 12:42:07 <DocScrutinizer05> just an idea: are you sure you got the right dataplan for your SIM? maybe it's some special dataplan for iPhone only - or whatever. As soon as they detect e.g. VoIP or skype or email or whatever from your device, they kick you?
Oct 22 12:43:05 <deepy> nope, it's the generic data plan
Oct 22 12:43:19 <deepy> it drops when I'm on the bus and move
Oct 22 12:43:28 <DocScrutinizer05> then it shouldn't disconnect every other minute
Oct 22 12:44:07 <deepy> it does when I'm on the bus :)
Oct 22 12:44:56 <DocScrutinizer05> seems you got pretty poor coverage then
Oct 22 12:45:21 <mashina> in a metal cage that moves alot surronded by other cell users
Oct 22 12:45:21 <deepy> welcome to Ireland
Oct 22 12:45:28 <DocScrutinizer05> and still it should not get new DHCP lease aka IP addr when connectivity re-established
Oct 22 12:45:50 <DocScrutinizer05> other cell users largely irrelevant
Oct 22 12:46:01 <mashina> welcome to canda, 100 MB for 10.75!
Oct 22 12:46:14 <mashina> no too sure how many € it is
Oct 22 12:47:24 <DocScrutinizer05> well, here it's 50..500 for that price, so your 100 is pretty fine
Oct 22 12:47:35 <DocScrutinizer05> 5GB for 30EUR
Oct 22 12:47:50 <mashina> its when you get of prepaid it gets insane
Oct 22 12:48:26 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
Oct 22 12:48:47 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't parse
Oct 22 12:48:55 <mashina> like 80 for tiny plans on contract
Oct 22 12:49:43 <DocScrutinizer05> seems I'm not able to read that canadian slang
Oct 22 12:49:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Oct 22 12:49:54 <mashina> eh?
Oct 22 12:50:00 <mashina> european hosers man
Oct 22 12:50:07 <mashina> they aren't good at hocket
Oct 22 12:50:21 <mashina> aboot time finland started not to suck
Oct 22 12:50:36 * DocScrutinizer05 is out
Oct 22 12:51:00 <mashina> android fans have a curious idea of what open source is
Oct 22 12:51:15 <mashina> they even support sealing off the platform
Oct 22 13:09:32 <Deepa-> hey! I do not have ssh!
Oct 22 13:10:37 <Deepa-> how do I install it?
Oct 22 13:11:17 <sixwheeledbeast> openssh
Oct 22 13:11:27 <Deepa-> cheers
Oct 22 13:13:55 <deepy> hmm, bit too much lag and a bit too large font
Oct 22 13:14:15 <deepy> also white backgroumd :/
Oct 22 13:39:45 <l4m3rx> font color & size and bground color can be change from the terminal settings menu
Oct 22 13:40:02 <l4m3rx> you can use the volume+ volume- buttons from font size change too
Oct 22 14:07:02 <nty> can i use *.bdf font in xterm? how to install it ?
Oct 22 15:02:31 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf MheiGB18030-Medium Light ?
Oct 22 15:03:07 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly the worst name for a font I ever seen
Oct 22 15:03:32 <nty> its font for jpanese text sir
Oct 22 15:03:37 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah
Oct 22 15:03:40 <DocScrutinizer05> makes sense
Oct 22 15:03:49 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Oct 22 15:03:58 <nty> gb is codepage prolly
Oct 22 15:04:10 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Oct 22 15:04:57 <deepy> Medium light?
Oct 22 15:05:10 <DocScrutinizer05> that's what's written there
Oct 22 15:05:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-D
Oct 22 15:05:49 <deepy> Is there a heavy light?
Oct 22 15:06:13 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno, but medium italic and medium bold
Oct 22 15:06:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
Oct 22 15:06:25 <nty> also why some font isnt available in xtern font chooser?
Oct 22 15:06:51 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly no idea about that
Oct 22 15:07:17 <DocScrutinizer05> X11 and fonts.... :-S
Oct 22 15:07:57 <DocScrutinizer05> find out how to do it on your desktop linux, and odds are it works similar on maemo
Oct 22 15:09:09 <DocScrutinizer05> I think I never looked into this since the days when staroffice came with a windows ttf importer tool
Oct 22 15:09:30 <nty> same problem like Konsole in kde, for no reason they refuse to show some font altho its installed...
Oct 22 18:10:09 <sixwheeledbeast> ~flatbatrecover
Oct 22 18:10:12 <infobot> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!.
Oct 22 18:16:59 <japa-fi> sixwheeledbeast, is that for recovering totally empty battery or some other situation?
Oct 22 18:17:18 <japa-fi> And is nokia wallcharger mandatory, why not PC USB?
Oct 22 18:17:25 <sixwheeledbeast> japa-fi: yep and yep
Oct 22 18:18:37 <sixwheeledbeast> Normally the first thing to do with a not booting device.
Oct 22 18:36:25 <sono> hmm, i wonder
Oct 22 18:36:27 <sono> ~bootloop
Oct 22 18:36:27 <infobot> somebody said bootloop was when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing.
Oct 22 18:36:52 <sono> so one can reflash
Oct 22 18:36:52 <sono> good
Oct 22 18:37:17 <sono> what if i somehow manage to mess up the installed kernel, and let's say i don't have uboot on it
Oct 22 18:38:10 <sono> probably could just read wiki, ...
Oct 22 18:49:07 <fk_lx> hi
Oct 22 18:49:09 <fk_lx> question
Oct 22 18:49:19 <fk_lx> what you liked and what you disliked in Maemo community
Oct 22 18:49:21 <fk_lx> ?
Oct 22 18:49:37 <Defiant> I dislike nokia
Oct 22 18:49:50 <fk_lx> Defiant: from beginning?
Oct 22 18:53:12 <fk_lx> could anyone mention biggest mistakes that Nokia did in relations with Maemo community?
Oct 22 18:54:14 <RST38h> Hired Elop?
Oct 22 18:54:49 <fk_lx> RST38h: :-)
Oct 22 18:54:52 <fk_lx> but before that
Oct 22 18:55:09 <fk_lx> we talking about period from beginning of Maemo to moment where Meego was started
Oct 22 18:55:27 <fk_lx> (later I will ask about Meego)
Oct 22 18:55:46 <RST38h> Didn't hand every blogger like you a free N900?
Oct 22 18:56:19 <fk_lx> RST38h: I'm not blogger ;-)
Oct 22 18:56:47 <RST38h> ok, scrap "like you" part
Oct 22 18:58:15 <fk_lx> RST38h: what do you think about giving devices for free? do you think they were always given to the right person? do you think there could be a better way of deciding who should receive developer devices?
Oct 22 18:59:09 <RST38h> I think "How do I know?"
Oct 22 18:59:19 <RST38h> Then, I think "Why would I care?"
Oct 22 18:59:28 <RST38h> Finally, I think "Why is he asking, anyway?"
Oct 22 19:00:25 <fk_lx> RST38h: doing some analysis for university course about open source
Oct 22 19:00:44 <fk_lx> RST38h: and at the momment focusing on community relations part
Oct 22 19:00:59 <fk_lx> relations between companies and communities
Oct 22 19:01:39 <RST38h> Oh, ok
Oct 22 19:01:44 <fk_lx> so that's why I'm asking about mistakes of Nokia
Oct 22 19:01:57 <fk_lx> I don't have time to read the whole TMO :-)
Oct 22 19:02:07 <RST38h> And you are asking it on an IRC channel, right?
Oct 22 19:02:27 <fk_lx> but I can read those parts connected with certain issues, if someone can name them
Oct 22 19:03:05 <RST38h> Ok, so you want us to do this research for you, so that you can read relevant parts and choose which ones you are gonna use?
Oct 22 19:03:57 <l4m3rx`home> RST38h, why don't u read the maemo meetings logs ? they should be usefull for u
Oct 22 19:04:50 <fk_lx> RST38h: hehe, I don't expect anyone do sth for me
Oct 22 19:04:59 <fk_lx> RST38h: besides I want to hear different opinions
Oct 22 19:05:46 <l4m3rx`home> opz sorry RST38h i ment fk_lx  :] 
Oct 22 19:06:54 <fk_lx> l4m3rx`home: thanks for tip
Oct 22 19:07:32 <fk_lx> l4m3rx`home: are you able to name three biggest mistakes (of course in your opinion) of Nokia in relations with Maemo community
Oct 22 19:13:33 <l4m3rx`home> mm.. nope.. .pretty much everything they did after they released the N9 ...or a bit after that.
Oct 22 19:14:19 <Sicelo> so people now say Nokia released their first tablet today :P
Oct 22 19:15:01 <fk_lx> Sicelo: yeah, that is not true -> 770 as first Nokia Internet Tablet ;-)
Oct 22 19:15:07 <fk_lx> not Lumia one
Oct 22 19:15:08 <fk_lx> ;-)
Oct 22 19:17:35 <Sicelo> anyway, one thing for sure.. Nokia is a great device manufacturer, hands down. too bad they made the wrong decisions at the wrong time
Oct 22 19:19:03 <fk_lx> Sicelo: yeah
Oct 22 19:19:35 <fk_lx> but I'm interested in community relations stuff, and times before Meego
Oct 22 19:20:52 <Sicelo> lol. what's that going to do?
Oct 22 19:23:02 <Sicelo> looking at your question before.. i guess Nokia never felt that it owed the community anything. that's why many bugs were WONTFIX. otoh, i would give them credit for what they did. i don't see any other handset manufacturer giving as much support as Maemo appears to have once received
Oct 22 19:23:46 <fk_lx> mhm
Oct 22 19:24:11 <fk_lx> Sicelo: so support was the good part?
Oct 22 19:24:26 <fk_lx> Sicelo: and what was the most important in that for you?
Oct 22 19:24:30 <Sicelo> ?
Oct 22 19:25:11 <fk_lx> I mean what kind of support would you expect from example from nowadays companies like Google for example or Canonical?
Oct 22 19:26:35 <Sicelo> fk_lx: i only became a Maemo user in 2011, after support had ended :P
Oct 22 19:27:14 <Sicelo> what's your `purpose` btw, if you don't mind?
Oct 22 19:29:00 <fk_lx> Sicelo: mentioned -> university course
Oct 22 19:31:09 <fk_lx> besides I'm active in some communities - we now build Python association in our country and will be looking for ways of cooperating with companies
Oct 22 19:31:22 <Sicelo> i'm a bad subject, haha. i hope someone 'useful' comes around soon
Oct 22 19:31:29 <fk_lx> so this kind of knowledge will be useful for more purposes
Oct 22 19:32:41 <fk_lx> well for know I have a feeling like I've went in some unknown territory
Oct 22 19:32:56 <Sicelo> meaning?
Oct 22 19:33:19 <fk_lx> and on that unknonw territory no one is willing to help
Oct 22 19:33:34 <fk_lx> or almost no one ;-)
Oct 22 19:35:03 <fk_lx> I have thought my question is quite simple :-)
Oct 22 19:36:13 <Sicelo> i can only point you to reviews on the internet, which give the story behind symbian and maemo.. i don't know how accurate they are, but that's the best info i can give you
Oct 22 19:37:14 <fk_lx> Sicelo: well I've read some, but would appreciate if you would give those links you are thinking off, might be some new stuff to me
Oct 22 19:37:49 <Sicelo> same ones you find on google, lol. i don't have bookmarks to them on my N900
Oct 22 19:38:23 <fk_lx> :-)
Oct 22 19:38:25 <fk_lx> hehe
Oct 22 19:38:52 <Sicelo> also, include Windows Phone in your reading, as that twill give you an insight into some of the frustrations, both from Nokia management and community... which i guess is what you want
Oct 22 20:32:49 <sixwheeledbeast> sono: rescueOS
Oct 22 20:43:23 <Tekk_> Has anyone worked on an actually usable port of mumble? 1.2 has been out for years yet only 1.1 is in the repos
Oct 22 20:43:31 <Tekk_> and I've literally never seen a 1.1 server
Oct 22 20:43:56 <brolin_empey> Pali: Any news regarding my 2 kernel-power patches?
Oct 22 20:46:27 <sixwheeledbeast> ~pkg
Oct 22 20:46:29 <infobot> i guess pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/
Oct 22 20:48:45 <sono> ~mumble
Oct 22 20:48:46 <infobot> it has been said that mumble is in extras-devel and unstable
Oct 22 20:48:54 <sono> ^ tried that recently
Oct 22 20:48:58 <sono> not useable
Oct 22 20:49:05 <sono> maybe you have better luck; make sure to report =)
Oct 22 20:49:17 <sono> also, orphaned, apparently
Oct 22 20:50:10 <sixwheeledbeast> seems 1.2.3-1maemo5 is the latest for maemo
Oct 22 20:51:03 <kerio> sono: the n900 is incredibly resilient to software fuckups, as long as your musb port is working
Oct 22 20:51:09 <sono> 1.2.3-1maemo5, yes
Oct 22 20:51:13 <sono> kerio: that is nifty
Oct 22 20:51:30 <sixwheeledbeast> maybe ping "aapo" on TMO and ask to build the latest version again from sourceforge
Oct 22 20:51:34 <sono> it has two major issues (mumble) first is audio latency, second is crashes when you open config menu
Oct 22 20:51:43 <kerio> probably both related to pulseaudio
Oct 22 20:51:59 <sono> in all likelyhood
Oct 22 20:52:09 <sono> unfortunately, i have too much stuff on my hat as it is
Oct 22 20:52:29 <Tekk_> hmm, does it totally break if you remove pulse then?
Oct 22 20:52:32 <kerio> sono: there's a thing stored in a ROM that allows you to load the bootloader via usb, which then allows you to flash the correct bootloader, which then allows you to flash everything else
Oct 22 20:52:38 <Tekk_> I'm not a big fan of it anyway
Oct 22 20:52:41 <kerio> in case of extreme fuckup
Oct 22 20:52:49 <sono> kerio: couldn't have been done better..
Oct 22 20:53:08 <sono> also, now it refuses to terminate
Oct 22 20:53:13 <sono> well
Oct 22 20:53:15 <sono> that was that
Oct 22 20:53:16 <kerio> if you fuck up the CAL partition at worst you get a nonworking bluetooth
Oct 22 20:53:24 <sixwheeledbeast> builder says libcelt0-0 is missing from depends
Oct 22 20:53:26 <kerio> because it doesn't know its own mac address
Oct 22 20:53:33 <kerio> but you can fix that later
Oct 22 20:53:58 <kerio> bootloops are dangerous however
Oct 22 20:54:04 <kerio> because if the battery's too low you can't flash
Oct 22 20:54:08 <kerio> but it won't be charged
Oct 22 20:54:16 <kerio> so you need a different charger or a different battery
Oct 22 20:54:22 <sono> presumably, i can rig something to charge the battery externally
Oct 22 20:54:28 <sono> if i ever get into that situation
Oct 22 20:54:37 <kerio> don't "rig" anything
Oct 22 20:54:37 <sono> or just inject power
Oct 22 20:54:48 <kerio> don't fuck with lithium batteries
Oct 22 20:54:56 <sono> nah, i have a good charger =)
Oct 22 20:55:42 <sono> as long as the battery doesn't pretend to be smarter than me, i'm good
Oct 22 20:56:05 <kerio> BL-5Js have no "smart" chip
Oct 22 20:56:10 <sono> either way, that is hopefully a long way off, if it ever happens to me
Oct 22 20:56:13 <sono> =)
Oct 22 20:56:17 <kerio> it's on the n900 board itself
Oct 22 20:56:24 <kerio> ~bq27200
Oct 22 20:56:24 <infobot> hmm... bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2
Oct 22 20:56:49 <sono> see, that's what i love most about this phone that i only call my own since 3 weeks
Oct 22 20:56:59 <sono> it's well documented, and has a well-informed community
Oct 22 20:57:26 <kerio> what i hate about this phone: it's got no fucking ram :c
Oct 22 20:57:40 <sono> well
Oct 22 20:57:56 <sono> the design shows its age.. omap1 isn't exactly a teen either
Oct 22 20:58:06 <kerio> isn't it omap3
Oct 22 20:58:14 <sono> i always thought it was 
Oct 22 20:58:21 <sono> but.. oh right
Oct 22 20:58:25 <sono> i got confused today by the uname
Oct 22 20:58:30 <sono> i suppose the kernel is just called omap1
Oct 22 21:08:32 <Tekk_> will battery patch undo my previous overclock settings? and if so, will I be able to reset them and save my settings?
Oct 22 21:08:45 <Tekk_> I overclock to 900 without a problem, and the extra 100 mhz certainly helps with emulators
Oct 22 21:33:03 <sixwheeledbeast> patch!!!
Oct 22 21:33:29 <sixwheeledbeast> ~batterypatch
Oct 22 21:33:30 <infobot> somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]
Oct 22 21:34:34 <sixwheeledbeast> IMO this should be included in factoid http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328060&postcount=3325
Oct 22 21:39:59 <sixwheeledbeast> thumb and swap on uSD solves the memory bottleneck for day-to-day usage IMO. Desktop charger is useful if battery is very low or another N900/5800 etc
Oct 22 21:40:40 <sono> 5hmm thumb. got to try that soon
Oct 22 21:41:02 <sixwheeledbeast> ~cssu
Oct 22 21:41:03 <infobot> methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Oct 22 23:09:22 <Malinux> where can I get N9 firmware? I need to reflash my N9 as I acidently made it uninstall a lot of packages :S
Oct 22 23:11:11 * Macer points at the topic
Oct 22 23:11:22 <Macer> N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan
Oct 22 23:11:54 <Malinux> Macer: okey
Oct 22 23:12:37 <Macer> Either way. It has been a fun ride and I wish everybody the best. You all really extened the Maemo platform much farther than anybody has ever anticipated I'm sure. 
Oct 22 23:14:01 <Macer> Maybe some day there will be new hardware that will have a Maemo platform on it again. It truly was a magnificent distro for a phonelike device. 
Oct 22 23:14:44 <Macer> and with that I bid thee farewell ;) 
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