**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 27 02:59:58 2013 Oct 27 05:19:07 Hi !! Again i have a problem?? How to change the font in vkb?? Oct 27 05:19:40 *HELP* Oct 27 05:34:01 good morning everyone... Oct 27 05:34:06 is Doc here? Oct 27 05:34:51 hello Oct 27 05:36:28 Gud mrng Oct 27 05:52:04 trying to flash n900 Oct 27 05:52:22 suitable USB device not found... Oct 27 05:52:23 ???? Oct 27 05:54:50 Windows?? Oct 27 05:55:43 Instlled libusb driver ?or something like that only!! Oct 27 05:56:05 legendracer Oct 27 05:56:22 windows 7 64 bit Oct 27 05:56:49 legendracer: libusb?? Oct 27 05:57:07 Checked wiki?? Oct 27 05:59:07 Btw, anyone here wid vkb solution?? Oct 27 05:59:28 rajesh: dsn seem so!! Oct 27 06:01:37 hw to delete N900 driver from device manager? Oct 27 06:02:09 Delete driver why??! Oct 27 06:02:12 legendracer: Oct 27 06:06:26 i downloaded libusb.installing it Oct 27 06:07:37 okay!! Follow the wiki ... Oct 27 06:10:36 restarted and installes libusb Oct 27 06:11:19 now try!!legendracer_: Oct 27 06:12:51 the mobile comes into usb mode, then goes off. Oct 27 06:16:37 Probably not enough power. Oct 27 06:16:37 lib usb not showing in device manager Oct 27 06:17:39 lib usb should be shown in device manger. isnt? only then we can know if n900 is in there not? Oct 27 06:17:51 windows 7 Oct 27 06:18:50 You obviously need to understand more about device drivers and how they differ. libusb is a library, it will not show up within device manager. Oct 27 06:19:46 I'm pretty sure N900 will show up as it is (using N900 name) under device manager, not libusb. Oct 27 06:23:03 not shoing buddy Oct 27 06:23:45 Is your N900 even still on? Is your N900 still showing that USB symbol on the top right of the screen? Oct 27 06:23:54 n900 is not shown in device manager...till yesterday i transferred files from phone to pc in mass storage mode Oct 27 06:25:04 i have simply connected to pc..the screen comeds on vibrates and goes off....usb symbol comes on,,then goes off...im chatting....so let it charge in mean time...tried , removing battery and restarting , but only nokia symbol in bright screen. Oct 27 06:25:54 surely there is battyer power above 60 % Oct 27 06:26:26 Not if the device comes on for a brief few seconds before shutting off. It's a sign that there's not enough power. Oct 27 06:26:42 oh ok..let it charge then... Oct 27 06:27:01 i think i should try wall charger for now Oct 27 06:29:21 even with wall charger , same condition....screen comes on, vibrates, usb symbol comes....then all off...then again same.... Oct 27 06:30:01 Do you know what USB symbol looks like? are you confusing that with nokia logo? Oct 27 06:30:34 no bro...i know...have flashed it before...so i know flash mode... Oct 27 06:30:45 top right corner... Oct 27 06:31:49 So your device has gone into boot loop, you may want to look at ways to let it charge for a few minutes before attempting to flash. Oct 27 06:32:12 surely there is charge..lets try..tell me Oct 27 06:32:15 legendracer_: is ur flasher installed properly?? Oct 27 06:32:59 psycho_oreos: sometimes it wont detect device if nokia connectivity driver isn installed. Oct 27 06:34:06 yes....but before when i installed flasher it showed like this when i ran it.............C:\Windows\system32>cd "C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5" C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5> flasher-3.5.exe flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) Nothing to do! Usage: flasher [OPTIONS] Options: -F, --fiasco=ARG Location of a FIASCO image -k, --kernel=ARG Location of kernel image -n, --initfs=ARG Location o Oct 27 06:34:40 If the battery is/was flat, N900 enters into emergency charging mode which will probably charge N900 up to 10% or so. That might be barely enough for flashing, though from there on N900 will try to boot into normal or act_dead mode but if it bootloops, N900 will try to enter back into the same mode (normal/act_dead) repeatedly until there's not enough power from the battery to hold enough charge for booting up. From there it will enter back into em Oct 27 06:34:40 ergency charging mode. The whole process may most likely repeat indefinitely. Oct 27 06:35:15 ~bootloop Oct 27 06:35:15 hmm... bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. Oct 27 06:35:32 ~flatbatrecover Oct 27 06:35:32 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. Oct 27 06:35:58 qwerty123, I don't know for windows, I believe it's more or less the same as in that it will be detected by device manager and maybe windows from there on may prompt for drivers. Oct 27 06:36:19 DocScrutinizer05: how to change font in vkb window??! Oct 27 06:36:38 via menu Oct 27 06:37:07 vkb? you mean xterm? Oct 27 06:37:19 psycho_oreos: well, you are correct about low power, i just thought it wasnot getting connected. Oct 27 06:37:32 DocScrutinizer05: nope , virtual keboard Oct 27 06:37:41 ooh, no idea Oct 27 06:38:27 DocScrutinizer05: if we change font from theme customiser, only the keys in vkb change but the place where we write, it appears in default font!! Oct 27 06:38:42 so it wont chrage via PC? Oct 27 06:38:59 no Oct 27 06:39:14 qwerty123, still presumably windows will still detect a device that is connected via USB. It's normally what most plug-n-play OS are generally capable of, sensing there is something connected. It shouldn't be an issue with drivers at that initial stage. Even if no drivers were explicitly installed, windows may show the device up as some unknown device or whatever. Oct 27 06:39:26 not when it doesn't boot properly Oct 27 06:39:33 ^ Oct 27 06:39:40 right now connected to pc.....yellow light is lit up....not blinking...usb symbol and nokia shown in bright screen Oct 27 06:39:54 that's emergency charge Oct 27 06:40:01 see flatbatrecover Oct 27 06:40:28 what that? Oct 27 06:40:48 It was mentioned before, scroll up. Oct 27 06:40:56 psycho_oreos: in my case, i had to reinstall connectivity driver as flasher didn detect the device, but for normal usage its detectable.. Oct 27 06:41:59 how to reinstall connectivity driver? Oct 27 06:42:03 qwerty123, ah yeah with flashing stage that would be different, that would need drivers to be installed but not when N900 is connected to the PC. Oct 27 06:43:10 ~flashing Oct 27 06:43:10 [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 27 06:43:47 legendracer_, read that but you won't be able to do anything with flashing until you have properly followed through from flat battery recovery that was already mentioned beforehand. Oct 27 06:44:30 so its steady amber yellow light..... charging na? Oct 27 06:45:40 Whenever the device lits up amber light by default it means charging. DocScrutinizer05 already explained to you before what steady amber light meant. Oct 27 06:45:58 yes...yes....will wait for 30 min Oct 27 06:46:19 You were also told to charge from a wall charger not from PC. Oct 27 06:46:48 oh...ok. Oct 27 06:47:24 … If you're not going to read what people said before, you're not going to get very far. Oct 27 06:47:55 psycho_oreos: hey, btw any idea how to log in qutim?? Oct 27 06:48:09 qwerty123, never used qutim so I don't know. Oct 27 06:48:19 * DocScrutinizer05 scratches head, looks at PC clock, goes to sleep another hour Oct 27 06:48:49 damn DST Oct 27 06:48:49 o.O I guess must be night time there. Oct 27 06:48:57 lol hehe DST. Oct 27 06:49:26 My pidgin suddenly started showing, interna; error n den crashed!! Had to uninstall it, and using qutim! Not disappointed , i cn say! :) Oct 27 06:49:32 :-D Oct 27 06:49:47 psycho_oreos: Oct 27 06:50:35 qwerty123, my N900s are somewhat out of action. I'm sure forums may have answers. Oct 27 06:50:55 thinking of selling this n900....... Oct 27 06:51:05 and get a windows phone Oct 27 06:51:19 by all means go ahead Oct 27 06:51:27 psycho_oreos: shifted to android??! Oct 27 06:51:51 we need all the n900 we can get ;-P Oct 27 06:51:51 that piece is on wall charger. vibrates, usb symbol. screen and noika...then all off...and again same Oct 27 06:52:13 DocScrutinizer05: for a second , i ws shocked!! :< Oct 27 06:52:21 putting up for sale... Oct 27 06:52:22 DocScrutinizer05: nice one!:-P Oct 27 06:52:29 lol Oct 27 06:52:43 qwerty123, nope. I'm still on maemo/meego platform. My N900s have broken USB sockets. Two of them are in repairs (and I have yet to hear back from the guys that I've sent my N900s for repair), one of them right now (still broken USB socket) I'm charging it from another phone. Oct 27 06:53:20 before my n900 goes kaput it is better to sell. Oct 27 06:53:37 anyone from INDIA here? Oct 27 06:53:37 legendracer_, at this rate maybe windows phone might be more well suited to you than N900 considering you don't have much of a clue on how N900 exactly works. Oct 27 06:53:39 psycho_oreos: here in my city too i have issues with repairing of n900 , lack of spares!! Oct 27 06:53:42 well, this even applies to eggs Oct 27 06:53:59 yes i agree..i noob with n 900 Oct 27 06:54:01 legendracer_: i am !! Pune !! Where are you from?? Oct 27 06:54:03 (better sell before kaputt( Oct 27 06:54:06 i dont know anything...masters. Oct 27 06:54:15 kerala Oct 27 06:54:16 qwerty123, yeah spares are somewhat becoming a bit of a problem. Oct 27 06:54:45 legendracer_: tryin to learn isnot bad!! Oct 27 06:54:49 the nearest big nokia service centre is in kochi... Oct 27 06:54:55 there too lack of spares... Oct 27 06:55:17 nokia won't fix your N900, if you take it to them you're probably going to get some other random phone they have. Oct 27 06:55:31 i learnt for 3 months to start usage...flashed...progressed to CSSU stable....used some freaky apps... Oct 27 06:55:42 legendracer_: psycho_oreos spares are not available wid nokia guys but in smaller shops!! I hadto replacw my brokwn screen once!! Oct 27 06:55:52 if they want to get shot down, they can try to do this to me ;-) Oct 27 06:56:46 legendracer_: arey bhai, using n900, not flashing!! :P phone is for using, not for flashing.. Oct 27 06:57:02 qwerty123, yeah I've known that fact for sometime now. Hence that's why I've gone to some small (non nokia affiliated) phone repair store. Though you just get slugged with expensive labour costs, some of the parts are still abundant for N900 but not all. Oct 27 06:57:53 domesheet is rare Oct 27 06:57:57 :-/ Oct 27 06:58:05 psycho_oreos: other way, trick legendracer into selling n900 and use it as spare for al on the forum!! :-P Oct 27 06:58:13 where is psycho from? Oct 27 06:58:16 and mainboards of course Oct 27 06:58:25 lol qwerty.. Oct 27 06:58:42 DocScrutinizer05: usually we dont fry thwm eider!! Oct 27 06:58:44 DocScrutinizer05, I was about to say lol, bits and pieces of N900's PCB board are starting to become fairly/very rare. Oct 27 06:59:02 my n900 is just new . i mean nothing worked inside...i flashed once..thats too so tough... Oct 27 06:59:11 qwerty123, lol you can trick him. I'm not going to really push people into selling. Oct 27 06:59:26 psycho_oreos: not really, only SoC and BB5 Oct 27 06:59:29 legendracer_, .au … very far away from you. Oct 27 06:59:37 legendracer_: new?? I has to be used! Mayb new for yu!! Oct 27 06:59:43 even SoC is not really rare yet Oct 27 06:59:55 you can buy in qty 100k at digikey Oct 27 06:59:55 im ready to sell....i will miss 32 gb of space, keyboard + touch, 5 mp camera Oct 27 07:00:16 BB5 however... :-S Oct 27 07:00:18 legendracer_: pune. Tell me cost! Oct 27 07:00:24 DocScrutinizer05, o.O so basically the CPU and I guess some nokia proprietary component (maybe cellular related stuff I guess). Oct 27 07:00:50 BB5 aka Rapuyama aka modem stuff, yeah Oct 27 07:01:24 *nods* as I thought, though stuff like eMMC replacement maybe very hard. Oct 27 07:01:34 i bought from my friend.. his dad bought it from US for him. he is student still... he didnt know its capability..so i pushed him to sell it to me at Rs 10000. Oct 27 07:01:42 ooh, and actually CPU http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/programmers-development-systems/obsolete-discontinued-part-numbers/2621490?k=omap3430 Oct 27 07:02:20 Haha "obsolete". Oct 27 07:02:31 i know i wont get 10000 now, but should get something near to that...as this is a rare master phone Oct 27 07:02:49 http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/integrated-circuits-ics/embedded-microcontroller-or-microprocessor-modules/2556371?k=omap3530 Oct 27 07:03:13 * DocScrutinizer05 offers 50EUR Oct 27 07:03:25 Welll, i gt mine fr 9k , 2 yrs back!! Oct 27 07:04:00 50 euro= almost 4200 INR Oct 27 07:04:03 come on... Oct 27 07:04:05 too low Oct 27 07:04:11 DocScrutinizer05: nice price! 4000 at max yu will get! Oct 27 07:04:14 N900s aren't that noteworthy on resales, you can jack the price up as high as you like but you probably won't get people buying it. These days people are either stuck with android/iOS and/or they aren't interested in pre-historic devices let alone the difficulty in using one. Oct 27 07:04:52 pre historic device...as if we all are cave men Oct 27 07:04:53 lol Oct 27 07:05:15 i know..enquired at a second hand shop...they said max Rs 5500 Oct 27 07:05:40 psycho_oreos: still, if yu are not hell bent on stocking some of these n900,none is gng to pay about 200 dollars fr used phns!! Oct 27 07:05:44 If you're using any of the modern day phones, you would see the specifications easily outmatches N900. That's one problem, the other is that N900 is not meant for an average joe. Oct 27 07:06:14 qwerty123, not sure what you meant there. Oct 27 07:06:49 is the damn device charging? vibrates, goes off...then again... Oct 27 07:06:59 psycho_oreos: sometimes we dont need hardware for performance like symbian!! Best phone for phone functions!! :P Oct 27 07:07:03 http://de.farnell.com/jsp/search/results.jsp?N=0&Ntk=partnumbers&Ntt=OMAP3530ECUS72&Ntx=mode+matchall&ref=lookahead Oct 27 07:07:34 best phone functions? how yar? Oct 27 07:07:45 http://de.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=2008+202735&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=OMAP3530&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial Oct 27 07:07:51 qwerty123, I'm talking about the handheld market in general. In other words, selling N900 for instance is mainly targeting a very niche set of people. Oct 27 07:07:54 psycho_oreos: in short, dollar 200 is high for a used n900 Oct 27 07:08:37 i asked 130 dollars Oct 27 07:08:38 qwerty123, for a third hand, and also maybe a three year old device. Then there's that issue with understanding how the device works. Oct 27 07:08:38 psycho_oreos: obviously that is!! N it is done beautifully by selling it on the forum!! :P Oct 27 07:09:09 qwerty123, heh maybe, though best ask the person in question here not me. Oct 27 07:09:09 legendracer_: aahhhh! Yeah ruppee fell .... Sorry , my bad!! Oct 27 07:09:27 130 dollars???is it high/ Oct 27 07:09:45 legendracer_, fyi some N900 was sold on the forum for around USD$100, that was including a whole bunch of accessories if I'm not mistaken. Oct 27 07:10:03 There's a buy and sell thread on the maemo forums. Oct 27 07:10:24 Yep yep !!! Dat is appprox 6000 ( new xchange rate) Oct 27 07:11:04 Besides, there's no pictures of your N900 that you are selling and/or what accessories you are including. Nobody here would be that dumb to pay a high price for a device that may have gone through some rough patches. Oct 27 07:12:16 And atlst not in a working state as of now! Oct 27 07:12:31 =-O Oct 27 07:13:03 Yeah, some guy bought this other N900 for around USD$60 for N900 with a lock code that the owner forgotten what it was. Oct 27 07:13:55 even i didnt have lock code...maemo helped to reset it, easily. Oct 27 07:14:16 psycho_oreos: same here.. I couldnot figure out my lock code in last two years!! Oct 27 07:14:25 the phone is of course in good condition...no other accessries Oct 27 07:14:35 lock code can be reset so easily.. Oct 27 07:14:39 i did it... Oct 27 07:14:49 psycho_oreos: and it could not be reset by the methods mentioned in threads! Oct 27 07:14:52 FYI, you're selling the device as it is with the boot loop. That could easily be equated to low sell price target because you're going to give the subsequent owner grief for having to try and rescue the device back. Oct 27 07:15:12 give me sometime...i will make this phone cool Oct 27 07:15:17 it will work properly... Oct 27 07:15:30 i only connected it now and it went bad.. Oct 27 07:15:42 qwerty123, there's ways around it in theory but it's not easy. Oct 27 07:16:08 i will reflash, put latest CSSU stable which it already had. Oct 27 07:16:17 well it's kinda easy Oct 27 07:16:38 so when i make it fine anyone willing to buy it? Oct 27 07:16:39 legendracer_, regardless of what you do to your N900, you won't be able to achieve your desired price. People would still want to bargain and would want photos of your N900 for verification, etc. Oct 27 07:16:49 ok... Oct 27 07:16:59 photos will poted in my ad in buy sell thread.. Oct 27 07:17:01 psycho_oreos: whats d other way??!! Oct 27 07:17:38 The command mentioned simply returns nothing!! No hash to crack!! Oct 27 07:18:08 you did it wrong Oct 27 07:18:24 ^ Oct 27 07:19:31 Whilst your N900 is not showing the lock code, you have much more success at cracking it then when the lock code is shown upon boot up. Oct 27 07:19:51 DocScrutinizer05: nope!! There is one more query in thread with same problem but no solution to it was posted. Oct 27 07:20:24 the solution been posted before and was not followed Oct 27 07:20:49 i guess all asking for forgotten lock code were helped.. Oct 27 07:20:51 If I remember correctly the lock code is stored on one of the /dev/mtd. Probably /dev/mtd3, if you ran the manual way of enumerating the salted lock code you can easily bruteforce it. Oct 27 07:20:52 DocScrutinizer05: checking again !! Oct 27 07:20:57 I have a very hard time believing that the lockcode hash in CAL been garbled Oct 27 07:21:51 it's way more easy and plausible to think that user did a mistake, or used gnu grep instead of busybox grep Oct 27 07:22:23 a) you need to be ROOT Oct 27 07:22:45 b) you must use busybox grep since real grep fails Oct 27 07:22:59 i think i need to get a new pc. Oct 27 07:23:02 is it/ Oct 27 07:23:50 BusyBox v1.21.0 (Debian 1.21.0power2+thumb1) built-in shell (ash) Oct 27 07:23:53 Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. Oct 27 07:23:59 Nokia-N900:~# echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): Oct 27 07:24:02 root:: Oct 27 07:24:05 Nokia-N900:~# Oct 27 07:24:23 DocScrutinizer05: Oct 27 07:24:26 Code posted on forum! Oct 27 07:24:31 Did you try running that grep -A command manually with the pipe and all? Oct 27 07:24:43 DocScrutinizer05: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 Oct 27 07:24:54 this doesn't tell me anyrhing, since grep still can be gnugrep Oct 27 07:26:35 DocScrutinizer05: gnugrep should be ggrep!! I think everything that comes wid gnu , has to be usd with extra g in front of command! Oct 27 07:27:07 btw BusyBox v1.21.0 (Debian 1.21.0power2+thumb1) ??? Oct 27 07:27:32 you think wrong, there are other ways Oct 27 07:27:33 Yep Oct 27 07:27:44 how to delete the connectivity driver in pc? Oct 27 07:27:56 IroN900:/etc/init.d# grep --version Oct 27 07:27:58 GNU grep 2.5.4 Oct 27 07:27:59 Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Oct 27 07:28:20 You can easily see which grep you are using by parsing 'which grep'. Oct 27 07:28:22 BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso31+0cssu0) built-in shell (ash) here!!! Oct 27 07:28:29 DocScrutinizer05: precise!! :P Oct 27 07:28:48 DocScrutinizer05: updated busybox?? Oct 27 07:28:57 psycho_oreos: wait trying! Oct 27 07:28:59 me??? no Oct 27 07:29:01 you Oct 27 07:29:03 GNU grep is installed under /usr/bin/gnu/grep and the busybox's version of grep resides in /bin/grep (which obviously is a symlink). Oct 27 07:29:42 IroN900:/etc/init.d# echo $PATH Oct 27 07:29:44 /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 Oct 27 07:29:59 psycho_oreos: kia-N900:~# which grep Oct 27 07:30:02 /bin/grep Oct 27 07:30:35 qwerty123, did you try running this command instead? 'grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1' Oct 27 07:30:54 damn, you got a wrong busybox version, most likely "improved" or power-boosted and thus not working Oct 27 07:31:55 Yeah he's got the busybox-power. Oct 27 07:32:02 same code psycho_oreos: Oct 27 07:32:05 even looks damn like busybox-power Oct 27 07:32:19 which has "bugfixes" which break stuff like this Oct 27 07:32:22 qwerty123, same code? as in nothing? Oct 27 07:32:40 DocScrutinizer05: den downgrade it maybe?? Or upgrade it?? Oct 27 07:33:00 nfc, I dispise busybox-power Oct 27 07:33:10 never touched it Oct 27 07:33:24 Nokia-N900:~# grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1 Oct 27 07:33:29 Nokia-N900:~# Oct 27 07:33:42 psycho_oreos: Oct 27 07:33:55 obviously busybox-power grep fails just like gnugrep Oct 27 07:33:59 I have busybox-power installed (Debian 1.21.1power1+thumb0), no issues here. Oct 27 07:34:22 qwerty123, ls -l /bin/grep Oct 27 07:34:23 psycho_oreos: Oct 27 07:34:41 grep --version Oct 27 07:34:44 GOD! Oct 27 07:35:10 ls -l `which grep` Oct 27 07:36:07 ia-N900:~# ls -l `which grep` Oct 27 07:36:10 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Aug 5 00:20 /bin/grep -> busybox Oct 27 07:36:13 Nokia-N900:~# Oct 27 07:36:14 sorry i'm grumpy Oct 27 07:36:16 DocScrutinizer05: Oct 27 07:36:19 psycho_oreos: Oct 27 07:36:35 ls -l `which busybox` Oct 27 07:37:40 ia-N900:~# ls -l `which busybox` Oct 27 07:37:42 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 614004 Aug 5 04:22 /bin/busybox Oct 27 07:37:45 Nokia-N900:~# Oct 27 07:37:48 DocScrutinizer05: Oct 27 07:38:26 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 355592 2012-08-24 19:20 /bin/busybox Oct 27 07:38:51 any questions, Watson? Oct 27 07:40:13 ~messybox Oct 27 07:40:13 i guess messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Oct 27 07:40:16 DocScrutinizer05: that ls -l for your busybox?! Oct 27 07:40:21 restarted after removing nokia and drivers from control panel Oct 27 07:40:27 yes, obviously Oct 27 07:41:16 qwerty123, differences in size and mdate. That is expected with busybox-power installation. Oct 27 07:42:29 DocScrutinizer05: now what?? Should i upgrade it?? Oct 27 07:42:33 there obviously been a "bug" in original busybox that got "fixed" in busybox-power, since my gnugrep behaves exactly same way Oct 27 07:42:43 UPGRADE? Oct 27 07:43:02 qwerty123, it would be downgrade not upgrade. Oct 27 07:43:09 sorry, no idea, but for sure an *upgrade* won't help Oct 27 07:43:26 you should maybe get original busybox and discard bp-power Oct 27 07:44:02 and don't ask me how! I told you I don't touch bpp Oct 27 07:44:17 since: Oct 27 07:44:20 ~messybox Oct 27 07:44:20 hmm... messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Oct 27 07:44:34 I've found out another way without it. qwerty123 you need strings installed to make this work: Oct 27 07:44:52 white background.. device malfunction....device shut down Oct 27 07:44:53 strings /dev/mtd1 | grep -A 1 lock_code | tail -1 Oct 27 07:45:10 pc shows...driver was installed sucessfully Oct 27 07:45:21 sorry...driver not installed Oct 27 07:45:22 psycho_oreos: whats the way??! Oct 27 07:45:30 qwerty123, read up ^ Oct 27 07:45:46 indeed, works Oct 27 07:45:53 IroN900:~# strings /dev/mtd1 | grep -A 1 lock_code | tail -1 Oct 27 07:45:55 ngF.t4AsdNocs Oct 27 07:45:56 IroN900:~# busybox grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1 Oct 27 07:45:58 ngF.t4AsdNocs Oct 27 07:46:29 but I wouldn't be surprised if strings also in bpp Oct 27 07:46:39 So you could put that entire thing into eval() which should output into a string that maybe john can crack. Oct 27 07:46:52 o.O Oct 27 07:47:03 any idea what to do next? Oct 27 07:47:03 Nah mine is part of GNU. /usr/bin/gnu/strings Oct 27 07:47:03 Yepp!!psycho_oreos thanks!!! Oct 27 07:47:21 psycho_oreos: please put it in thread too!! Oct 27 07:47:28 HAHA!!!! Oct 27 07:47:37 good I didn't suggest it ;-P Oct 27 07:47:48 echo root:$(strings /dev/mtd1 | grep -A 1 lock_code | tail -1): Oct 27 07:48:07 qwerty123, which thread? Oct 27 07:48:18 ~lockcode Oct 27 07:48:18 somebody said lockcode was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 Oct 27 07:48:27 Ahh cheers. Oct 27 07:48:34 gnu?? [Sadly] mine is in bpp!!psycho_oreos: Oct 27 07:49:25 qwerty123, ahh well nice that it works then. Mine is part of GNU package. Oct 27 07:49:43 sorry, my mistake: it's obviously bbp, not bpp Oct 27 07:50:23 [2013-10-27 08:46:29] but I wouldn't be surprised if strings also in bpp ;-P Oct 27 07:50:47 and to me it's not clear yet IF it works for him Oct 27 07:51:56 DocScrutinizer05: it does !! :P atleast bbp isnt that bad!! :-P Oct 27 07:52:30 ia-N900:~# strings /dev/mtd1 | grep -A 1 lock_code | tail -1 Oct 27 07:52:33 ClFo8D.m7/v1U Oct 27 07:52:36 Nokia-N900:~# which strings Oct 27 07:52:39 /usr/bin/strings Oct 27 07:52:51 actually it's more than bad, since strings should be a special parameter set to a grep invocation Oct 27 07:53:06 looks good Oct 27 07:53:18 for the 1. half Oct 27 07:53:41 IroN900:~# strings --version Oct 27 07:53:42 Regardless, strings is used to output whatever printable ASCII characters of a file (or device, etc) out. Oct 27 07:53:43 GNU strings (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.18.50.20070820 Oct 27 07:54:03 yes, easily a grep Oct 27 07:54:04 DocScrutinizer05: i still dont get whats the difference between both the greps??! Oct 27 07:54:18 tbh me neither Oct 27 07:54:34 the standard grep seems to have difficulties with non-printable chars Oct 27 07:54:44 "difficulties" Oct 27 07:55:12 One of them I think compares literally the contents whilst the other checks first to see if the input file is a binary or not. If it's a binary it'll do binary search (which does not work in this case obviously). Oct 27 07:55:15 the plain grep obviously doesn't find the string Oct 27 07:55:38 yes Oct 27 07:55:40 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1382651#post1382651 Oct 27 07:55:45 what psycho_oreos said Oct 27 07:56:11 though I tried with --input=ascii or whatever parameters and that doesn't help Oct 27 07:56:56 IroN900:~# grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1 Oct 27 07:56:57 Übereinstimmungen in Binärdatei /dev/mtd1. Oct 27 07:57:04 Yeah I guess there's a difference on the source code. Oct 27 07:57:14 it refuses to print the found match Oct 27 07:57:18 s/on/in/ Oct 27 07:57:19 ? Oct 27 07:57:19 psycho_oreos meant: Yeah I guess there's a difference in the source code. Oct 27 07:58:02 I think one just checks if binary file or not. If it's binary it might just do binary search and output if it matches with what the user wanted or not. It doesn't do literal searches and print the exact output that it sees. Oct 27 07:58:16 Though that is just my rough guess. Oct 27 07:58:51 (psycho_oreos mayb!! Oct 27 07:59:09 Thanks !!! For the solution!! :) Oct 27 07:59:34 even `grep --binary-files=text -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1` fails Oct 27 07:59:46 qwerty123, all it took was a bit of 'out of the box' thinking. :p but no worries. Oct 27 08:00:35 prints a lot of gibberish (ninprintable chars) but no decent hashcode Oct 27 08:00:57 psycho_oreos: and my hint regarding bpp, eh? Oct 27 08:01:39 DocScrutinizer05, maybe lol. Whilst you were telling him to change I was busy looking into alternatives already. :D Oct 27 08:02:20 psycho_oreos: :-)DocScrutinizer05 thank yu too!! :-) Oct 27 08:02:50 I largely had to thank my N900 which I had to boot up, without my N900s here I couldn't do anything except speculate. Oct 27 08:03:36 DocScrutinizer05, there might be a way with that 'ugly grep'. I just hadn't thought of a better solution, more so is that I'm more than happy to settle on a 'hack'. :D Oct 27 08:03:37 rrright Oct 27 08:03:53 psycho_oreos: well, can yu help me with fonts? Oct 27 08:04:11 qwerty123, I don't have any clue with that. Oct 27 08:06:43 i just got the problem...i have to install the driver through libusb...now when i try it shows n 900 storage mode and not update mode...the phone in mean time goes on and off...usb symbol comes and goes Oct 27 08:07:18 haha, now I see what all that grep stuff actually does, resp how CAL works Oct 27 08:08:08 legendracer: windows? Oct 27 08:11:32 DocScrutinizer05: win7 64bits Oct 27 08:12:37 psycho_oreos: this explains why strings works that great, it doesn't print out all that illegible binary crap - otoh it will fail when that binary crap contains another "string" between the matchpattern ("lockcode") and the hash Oct 27 08:12:52 qwerty123: this will most likely fail epically Oct 27 08:13:12 I seem to recall we told you yesterday already Oct 27 08:13:57 [2013-10-26 15:27:40] rajkonni: I doubt Windows 7 64bit will work for the flasher http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Issues_with_64-bit_Windows_and_Workarounds Oct 27 08:14:22 DocScrutinizer05: that shud b for legendracer Oct 27 08:14:35 18h ago, dunno if you're rajkonni Oct 27 08:14:48 ooh Oct 27 08:14:51 whoever Oct 27 08:16:26 done Oct 27 08:16:27 success Oct 27 08:16:58 legendracer: still n900 on sale??:-P Oct 27 08:17:15 legendracer: what ws the error??! Oct 27 08:18:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Option_4 Oct 27 08:18:31 moin Pali Oct 27 08:20:12 hi Oct 27 08:20:45 lol qwerty Oct 27 08:20:48 this is n900 Oct 27 08:21:02 all fine ..let me make it CSSU stable Oct 27 08:21:40 legendracer: :-) go ahead!! Oct 27 08:22:15 DocScrutinizer05: hey and is there any way to use rarp on n900?? Oct 27 08:23:26 surely on sale.... price plz.. Oct 27 08:23:34 im looking at lumia Oct 27 08:23:44 i need trapster app badly. Oct 27 08:23:49 n 900 does not have it Oct 27 08:26:11 legendracer: trapster?? Whats that??!! Oct 27 08:26:26 so again from scratch....got to remove nokia hands....other custom things....apps....oh a lot to do.... Oct 27 08:26:47 trapster???dont know??? thats only in android and windows.... Oct 27 08:27:15 psycho_oreos: and is there a way to install gv pdf directly on n900 other than easydebian?? Oct 27 08:27:38 legendracer: what does that do??!! Oct 27 08:28:45 Back, hmm DocScrutinizer05 not sure but I'd say that would be the case. Though if and when that happens maybe sed can help :D Oct 27 08:28:57 can tell all the speed trap cams installed by cops on our road sides Oct 27 08:29:45 qwerty123, maybe repack it from easy debian and put it onto maemo? Though I don't expect that would would end beautifully, besides all the dependencies that are missing needs to be filled. Oct 27 08:29:46 legendracer: hahaha!! In india we usually dnt hav speed cams!! :P Oct 27 08:30:45 full in kerala....come here once.... Oct 27 08:30:51 hectic to drive/ ride Oct 27 08:31:03 and im a automotive psyhc Oct 27 08:31:21 so tough to keep below 70 and 50 km/hr Oct 27 08:31:27 psycho_oreos: yeah, just the size of buttons in this easydeb version is very small fr my thick thumb!! Gv is one f the smoothest pdf viewer!! Oct 27 08:32:08 legendracer: hahaha!! 70 is d limit??! Oct 27 08:32:34 yes man...struggling/... Oct 27 08:32:36 Pune - no limits till yu smash into someone!! :P Oct 27 08:32:49 so who wants the N900? Oct 27 08:32:51 Speed traps generally requires one to also input whereabouts. It doesn't take much for some random bored kid to litter speed traps everywhere on the map and when you happen to go to that place, there's no speed trap. Even worse, none reported leaving you get caught for speeding. There's no app that can rescue you, therefore there's no need to heavily rely on it. Oct 27 08:32:58 gonna have lunch Oct 27 08:33:33 qwerty123, in that case I generally use the provided stylus if my fingers aren't small enough to press the buttons. :)) Oct 27 08:34:20 psycho_oreos: android audience! :P trapster, wechat etc etc!! :P Oct 27 08:34:58 psycho_oreos: same here!! Ws just thinking of makin it easier, no stylus only!! :-P Oct 27 08:35:25 qwerty123, I thought he was talking about windows mobile. lumia is a windows powered phone not android powered. Oct 27 08:35:57 qwerty123, There isn't much you can do unless you are quite handy at hacking away on things (kinda like me I suppose). Oct 27 08:37:21 psycho_oreos: i know!! But android n audience both start from 'a' so said that!! Android still better than windows though!! Oct 27 08:37:30 * psycho_oreos is reminded of a theme used by social engineers,"There is no patch for human stupidity." Then thinks back to why people would need things to tell them where speed traps are. Oct 27 08:38:15 psycho_oreos: yeah !! Repacking n all, not in my knowledge!! May take sometime to learn!! Oct 27 08:38:19 qwerty123, I'd say better would depend on tastes, not that I would back windows phone OS in anyway shape or form. Oct 27 08:39:16 qwerty123, regardless it'll be interesting if you do it. Something to learn and in which you gain experience so that you can probably pass it on to any inquirers wanting to know how to do it. Oct 27 08:40:53 Speaking of android, it is technically possible to run android on N900. Though it won't be called android on N900 and there's a couple of other issues with that idea. Oct 27 08:42:08 psycho_oreos: waiting for sometime off then will do it surely!! :) Oct 27 08:42:28 qwerty123, do what? repacking the debs? Oct 27 08:42:32 psycho_oreos: yeah microphone n apn gprs issue!!! Oct 27 08:43:13 There's more issues than just those that you mentioned for nitdroid. Oct 27 08:45:18 Well for basic usage i meant! Oct 27 08:46:00 psycho_oreos: but android wid easy debian like chroot is good i suppose!! Oct 27 08:47:06 > qwerty123 (14:16:00) Oct 27 08:47:09 > psycho_oreos: but android wid easy debian like chroot is good i suppose!! Oct 27 08:47:13 > qwerty123 (14:16:00) Oct 27 08:47:15 > psycho_oreos: but android wid easy debian like chroot is good i suppose!! Oct 27 08:47:32 The stuff that I'm thinking of also mainly targets basic usage as well. Namely the issues are for instance is that one is going to run a very old version of android (nitdroid) and secondly, it is somewhat expected of nitdroid users to be fairly formidable with android and linux in general. Oct 27 08:48:23 psycho_oreos: icecream sandwich was the last port!! Oct 27 08:48:47 I don't think it's doable, running android in the same manner as easy debian chroot. Besides, there's going to be severe resource starvation if android was to run along with maemo. Oct 27 08:49:04 qwerty123, it's still somewhat old. Oct 27 08:50:17 psycho_oreos: nope, i meant on android, running easybedian!! Oct 27 08:50:56 qwerty123, oh, android and easydebian on another device/phone. Well that explains it. :p Oct 27 08:52:13 psycho_oreos: i think there is ubuntu chroot and even injection drivers for android!! Oct 27 08:54:26 qwerty123, I doubt the injection drivers would be the one that uses the hardware (chipset) embedded on the android device itself. Most wireless packet injections for android devices has been doable with USB host mode and then using the injection driver suited to that USB chipset. Oct 27 08:54:49 Anyway, that is sort of getting offtopic, android discussion that is. Oct 27 08:57:14 psycho_oreos: it is!!! Oct 27 09:04:01 * sixwheeledbeast is please with himself that he got an extra hour sleeping :) Oct 27 09:12:03 psycho_oreos: >>There's no app that can rescue you,<< sure there is: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91182 Oct 27 09:12:16 ;-) Oct 27 09:12:56 DocScrutinizer05, I meant an app to rescue you from speeding and getting a ticket/fine or worse lol. Oct 27 09:13:02 do THAT on android! (well, probably you even *could*, given somebody would port all the tools) Oct 27 09:13:25 psycho_oreos: yeah sure, me meant the same Oct 27 09:13:51 Of a different sort.. lol Oct 27 09:13:52 of course the app I pointed to won't help for light gap traps Oct 27 09:14:37 * psycho_oreos has no clue what weaknesses there are with SDR stuff. Let alone all the buzz around SDR. Oct 27 09:14:46 also I don't know how many of the speed trap radars operate on frequencies >2GHz Oct 27 09:15:25 I thought speed traps are usually manned.. i.e. mostly done by hand. Oct 27 09:15:46 well, how does that change anything? Oct 27 09:16:00 you still can detect the radar RF Oct 27 09:16:21 I don't think using SDR for instance would let you see where the speed traps are placed. Oct 27 09:16:35 if it's in the range where the rtl-sdr operates Oct 27 09:16:43 sure Oct 27 09:16:50 Yeah that's true, only if they operate on certain bands. Oct 27 09:17:05 it will warn you a few 100m ahead of the "dangerous" range Oct 27 09:17:59 Maybe, though one still has to manually filter all those other noise out as well. Oct 27 09:18:50 Effectively it needs lots of manual tuning.. basically trial-and-error. Maybe after a few speeding tickets one learns how to finally extract the signature of radar used by speed traps? :> Oct 27 09:18:51 sure, you need to tune it to the well defined known frequency where the radar transmits, then set squelch so that it usually is silenced Oct 27 09:19:31 huh, n900 as a radar detector? =D Oct 27 09:19:58 yeah, with a rtl2832 USB SDR stick Oct 27 09:20:09 Only if radars are using in a band that SDR can pick up. Oct 27 09:20:17 see the link I posted above Oct 27 09:20:21 doesn't that give out anything that radar detector detectors can see? Oct 27 09:20:27 * psycho_oreos doesn't quite know how radar would work on gigahertz bands. Oct 27 09:21:37 Also I thought the SDR project is using the chipset as a listener. In wireless technology, a listening device doesn't transmit anything, therefore it cannot bounce signals back and forth to get an actual reading. Oct 27 09:22:08 sure but there are radar detectors that can be busted with a radar detector detector Oct 27 09:22:08 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radarwarnanlage#Radarwarner_im_Stra.C3.9Fenverkehr Oct 27 09:22:43 I don't speak german :( Oct 27 09:23:13 The only way to not get a speeding ticket is don't speed.... Oct 27 09:23:26 ^ Oct 27 09:23:32 i got all speed cams on my phone :p Oct 27 09:23:39 wrong Oct 27 09:23:57 mobile units can move Oct 27 09:24:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_warning_receiver Oct 27 09:24:07 Fixed speed cameras can be easily tagged but remote speed cameras? hah! depends on lots of factors. Oct 27 09:25:00 police cars in finland have speed radars too but they're not always on Oct 27 09:25:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_detection_radar Oct 27 09:26:09 also if the cops see you have a radar detector, they can confiscate it and give you a fine Oct 27 09:26:17 not can, they will Oct 27 09:26:26 Police cars in Australia are not supposed to have speed radars on whilst driving because the readings of an oncoming speeding/normal car may be inaccurate. Though radar vehicles are dime-a-dozen in various shapes and sizes. Oct 27 09:26:55 Yeah I'm sure radar detectors are illegal worldwide.. well in general. Oct 27 09:27:02 not in the US Oct 27 09:27:35 LOL >>since detector-detectors use a similar superheterodyne receiver, many early "stealth" radar detectors were equipped with a radar-detector-detector-detector circuit, which shuts down the main radar receiver when the detector-detector's signal is sensed, thus preventing detection by such equipment.<< Oct 27 09:28:01 deep Oct 27 09:28:07 o.O interesting.. anyway it's also illegal here (in Australia) the radar detectors. Oct 27 09:29:01 not illegal here however there are so many false positives they are not worth using. Oct 27 09:29:27 escort redline is a good radar detector apparently Oct 27 09:31:07 there are so many things using similar bands that real radar signals are hidden. Oct 27 09:33:41 ^ that is also why I'm doubting SDR would be of any use. Oct 27 09:34:16 I guess ymmv. Each country has their own regulations and usages. Oct 27 09:38:05 traffic lights, shop door openers even phone masts seems to trigger power to "Max". Whereas a real fixed truvelo speed trap will trigger to "2" if you are 10m away. Oct 27 09:39:48 Even then it may only have a detector unit inside and not a camera unit. To scare people for 14 days. Oct 27 09:40:18 SDR is Software Defined Radio, a technology. the RTL2823 is designed for DVB-T and operates in a range of 50 to 2000MHz, aka L-band. All radars of speed traps operate in Ku,K,Ka band or X band Oct 27 09:40:44 thus 8000 to 40000MHz Oct 27 09:41:21 you probably could abuse a sat LNB Oct 27 09:41:50 doh meant gatso not truvelo, truvelo are undetectable. Oct 27 09:41:52 Red light cameras deployed here are also used as a scarecrow tactic as well. Not all red light cameras have actual camera sitting inside the box. Yet it's there to scare drivers who deliberately runs against red light. Other times you will see them servicing the red light camera. Though here, I've heard most red light cameras have also been fitted with speed detectors and will still photograph speeders apart from those running against red lights. Oct 27 09:43:16 THF LOL, Tremendously High Frequency Oct 27 09:44:31 This dual purpose camera is becoming more common here too and are normally truvelos Oct 27 09:46:11 I guess if anyone is seriously wanting to outrun against radars, they should probably look at the tactics the Japanese people are trying out. Afterall it seems their ideas are somewhat quite effective. Oct 27 09:46:47 wtf truvelo? Oct 27 09:47:10 Probably some brand of radar detector I suppose. Oct 27 09:48:12 Speed cameras here don't use radar Oct 27 09:48:33 The ratio of camera housings vs cameras is like 10:1 also :) Oct 27 09:49:07 stationary speed cams use induction Oct 27 09:49:28 Induction? Oct 27 09:49:34 stationary cams have a strip across road Oct 27 09:49:42 when front wheel crossed it snaps Oct 27 09:50:24 Not all stationary cams here have strips across the road. Though I've seen also stationary speed cams on the highway has strips on the road along with signs warning you there's speed camera ahead. Oct 27 09:50:46 in india no warning Oct 27 09:51:03 induction: huge coil embedded in street's surface, works like a metal detector Oct 27 09:51:10 To be frank, stationary speed cameras I don't see the effort in worrying about. Remote speed cameras are more annoying. Oct 27 09:51:18 Ahh! thanks DocScrutinizer05 Oct 27 09:51:36 Oh yeah, sweden and finland has signs warning of speed cameras.. but they're of course somewhat generic and several km away from cameras :) Oct 27 09:51:53 Fixed ones? Oct 27 09:51:58 yes Oct 27 09:52:15 nice gov..here they want to cheat us Oct 27 09:52:16 They're plotting to change from induction loops to register plate recognition instead Oct 27 09:52:25 so trapster is a help Oct 27 09:52:58 *nod*. Somewhat similar here as well but it also applies to remote speed cameras.. even worse is that there's no actual speed cameras set along or around where the signs are placed. Apart from that fixed speed cameras on the highway are usually labelled clearly as it is. Oct 27 09:53:36 The government isn't trying to cheat you, it's those who are concerned about getting involved in some serious car accident. Oct 27 09:54:02 The numberplate ocr will be interesting, you'll need numberplate concealer or swapper to defeat those :) Oct 27 09:54:06 ShadowJK: o.O why that? Oct 27 09:54:18 The message the cops around here constantly says that the last thing a worried parent wants to hear is some cop knocking on their door and telling them their sons/daughters are dead. Oct 27 09:54:20 roads here are pathetic man...and those rare good roads got cams with no warnings Oct 27 09:54:33 DocScrutinizer05; two cameras spot same car, cameras fixed distance in between, calculate average speed. Oct 27 09:54:41 aaah that shit Oct 27 09:54:43 yeah Oct 27 09:55:19 ShadowJK, haha we also have that here as well.. Oct 27 09:55:24 Yep strips in the road surface at set distance, easy addon to a red light cam Oct 27 09:56:02 yeah, they shoot twice Oct 27 09:56:07 so they get the speed Oct 27 09:56:22 same here Oct 27 09:56:34 Same. Oct 27 09:56:58 though it's used to distinguish between those who really cross the road and those who simply stop 2m late Oct 27 09:57:41 also SPEC's are average distance cameras that use number plate recognition, becoming ever popular on long sections of road. Oct 27 09:57:56 2m late is still an offence Oct 27 09:58:05 sure Oct 27 09:58:15 but different, at least here Oct 27 09:58:18 hi sixwheel Oct 27 09:58:23 how are you? Oct 27 09:58:27 There's also even cases of where people are speeding within suburban areas (normally occupied by people's houses), there's a state (SA) which supposedly allows one to catch speedsters via a wheelie bin mounted camera. The camera sits inside the wheelie bin and wheelie bin sits on the kerb with a square hole in it to allow the camera to take photos of speedsters. Oct 27 09:58:36 o/ k youself? Oct 27 09:59:02 fine,,,that touch screen isnt fine still Oct 27 09:59:07 flashed.... Oct 27 09:59:15 updated to cssu stable... Oct 27 09:59:34 some posts say it can be due to ribbon, or whole touch system... Oct 27 09:59:37 worried.... Oct 27 09:59:59 but the funny thing is everything gets okay after few hours...how? Oct 27 10:00:11 yep as we suspected yesterday it's possibly digitizer or main ribbon. Oct 27 10:00:15 hey DOC Oct 27 10:00:30 digitizer or ribbon? Oct 27 10:00:38 main ribbon movement if a small break in it. Oct 27 10:00:45 ~fixribbon Oct 27 10:00:45 somebody said fixribbon was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171 Oct 27 10:00:52 i dont have tools to open. Oct 27 10:01:18 is it different from front cmera ribbon? Oct 27 10:01:34 front camera is part of the main ribbon Oct 27 10:02:03 see link above Oct 27 10:02:32 i meant is the ribbon same for slide and front camera as well?> Oct 27 10:03:07 is slide strip, front camera controller and this touch screen ribbon same? Oct 27 10:03:24 doc.... Oct 27 10:04:03 simply flashed....wasted a whole sunday behind N900....HAD PLANNED TO DETAIL MY CAR WITH WAX.....damn..missed it Oct 27 10:07:35 as you can see the main ribbon is a connector to the main board and front display unit, prox, light sensor, notification LED and front camera unit only. Oct 27 10:11:34 speed camera detector "detecting" a real gatso camera >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4wDOg9clZM This is a basic model detector and positioned on the dash incorrectly BTW Oct 27 10:13:24 hello all Oct 27 10:13:47 * sixwheeledbeast goes looking for his now boxed detector. Oct 27 10:14:20 I programmed the timer in alarmed to close modest with killall modest... did not work Oct 27 10:15:20 how to close it... not found a way in modest --help-all Oct 27 10:21:14 updating the apps, after flashing.... Oct 27 10:21:20 350 mb.... Oct 27 10:21:45 i think all i need is a screw driver to open up replace the ribbon Oct 27 10:22:18 screwdriver and the ribbon, if that's the issue Oct 27 10:23:08 killall is not the best way to close anything, but especially not modest Oct 27 10:27:57 so you not sure if its the ribbon for me? Oct 27 10:28:22 but i think i have told about my front cam...i tried mirror app...not working Oct 27 10:28:26 blank screen Oct 27 10:28:44 on skype call i can see others but they cant see me... Oct 27 10:29:00 so my front cam is also down...that was from 1st day. Oct 27 10:29:38 zamn900: you can't simply close modest Oct 27 10:30:35 ah well a betting man would say main ribbon, however I am not a betting man. ;) Oct 27 10:30:46 I am thinking there is a DBus call to close modest gtk gui? Oct 27 10:30:51 legendracer: so THAT (cam) pretty much suggeats it's actually the flex Oct 27 10:31:28 close UI doesn't terminate the process Oct 27 10:31:43 if my ribbon was ok then with mirror app it should have opened..isnt/ Oct 27 10:31:53 yep Oct 27 10:31:58 I am still thinking why ~xy Oct 27 10:32:03 basically that's asane assumption Oct 27 10:32:27 sixwheeledbeast: re modest? yup Oct 27 10:32:30 xy Oct 27 10:32:37 :nod: Oct 27 10:32:47 e bay ribbon or nokia care? Oct 27 10:32:51 ebay Oct 27 10:32:58 warranty? Oct 27 10:33:06 forget it Oct 27 10:33:17 unless your device still has waranty Oct 27 10:33:23 :) Oct 27 10:33:32 Nokia actually might be able to fix flex Oct 27 10:33:34 warranty...no way... Oct 27 10:33:41 bay then Oct 27 10:33:49 8 bucks Oct 27 10:33:57 should i risk changing it myself? what if i break/> Oct 27 10:34:11 beware of the 5 bucks one, it has FAKE CAMERA Oct 27 10:34:31 when you need to ask, you probably shouldn't Oct 27 10:34:46 will the nokia care do the job and make my front cam work? Oct 27 10:34:48 see Oct 27 10:34:53 ~schametics Oct 27 10:34:59 ~schematics Oct 27 10:35:00 i guess schematics is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic Oct 27 10:35:07 get L1_L2 Oct 27 10:35:17 get flex PCB Oct 27 10:35:44 take L1_L2, flex, and N900 to a repair shop, or to a friend who's good at electronic repair Oct 27 10:36:05 if you follow ~fixribbon it's not to hard. Hardest part is getting the screws out Oct 27 10:36:20 legendracer: (Nokia) dunno, you need to ask them to make sure Oct 27 10:36:23 ya..thats what if i break them? im dead Oct 27 10:36:39 i will meke a call to them.. Oct 27 10:36:50 but to check if my digitizer is ok? Oct 27 10:37:01 sixwheeledbeast: definitely disagree - hardest part is to plug in the flex to main PCB without damaging anything Oct 27 10:37:37 can you please tell whats this L1 L2? Oct 27 10:37:37 that's patience not difficultly IMO Oct 27 10:37:50 thats skill Oct 27 10:37:54 see ~schematics Oct 27 10:38:03 which only few can have with patience Oct 27 10:38:35 L1 L2? Oct 27 10:39:02 DAMN! SEE ^^^^ Oct 27 10:39:31 L1 L2 means manuals? Oct 27 10:39:51 [2013-10-27 11:34:48] see Oct 27 10:39:53 [2013-10-27 11:34:59] ~schematics Oct 27 10:39:54 [2013-10-27 11:35:00] i guess schematics is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic Oct 27 10:39:56 [2013-10-27 11:35:07] get L1_L2 Oct 27 10:39:57 [ Oct 27 10:39:59 [2013-10-27 11:37:54] see ~schematics Oct 27 10:40:38 :D Oct 27 10:43:25 yep, also you could replace bupbat while apart if you wish Oct 27 10:43:40 bupbat??to me? Oct 27 10:43:44 OMG please stop it, sixwheeledbeast Oct 27 10:43:53 :-D Oct 27 10:43:57 ~bupbat Oct 27 10:43:57 extra, extra, read all about it, bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 Oct 27 10:44:03 :D Oct 27 10:44:38 sixwheeledbeast: legendracer evidently doesn't check links we post here, so this will become even more nasty Oct 27 10:44:40 Considering I'd only need the services provided by bupbat once a year at most, I'm not too bothered whether it's working or not Oct 27 10:44:56 i check... Oct 27 10:46:13 we can but try Oct 27 10:46:52 if you plan on keeping N900 until 2038 bupbat may spit it's guts on the PCB. Oct 27 10:54:23 DocScrutinizer05: One of the links in ~bubpat is outdated, it is now https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN Oct 27 10:54:59 i tried apt-get remove game Oct 27 10:55:13 but cant find package?? Oct 27 10:55:23 need to remove stock games...how? Oct 27 10:55:35 search it through dpkg -l Oct 27 10:57:05 sorry? Oct 27 10:57:57 "dpkg" is a command "-l" is a switch for dpkg to list packages. man dpkg or dpkg --help for help and information. Oct 27 10:58:12 ~literal bupbat Oct 27 10:58:12 "bupbat" is "use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864" Oct 27 10:59:13 infobot: no, bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 Oct 27 10:59:14 DocScrutinizer05: okay Oct 27 10:59:23 kolp: thanks Oct 27 10:59:58 :) glad I mentioned it :whistle: Oct 27 11:00:47 legendracer: you cannot simply apt-get remove games* Oct 27 11:01:26 make a-sandiwich Oct 27 11:01:38 ooops Oct 27 11:01:43 make a-sandwich Oct 27 11:01:50 hmmm Oct 27 11:01:59 sudo make a-sandwich Oct 27 11:02:17 ~tell legendracer about beasttweaks Oct 27 11:03:13 dunno what exactly I want to say. Maybe something like "it will take another few years until man-machine-interfaces are error-tolerant to make apt-get remove games work" Oct 27 11:03:48 and maybe I don't want to ever see that happen Oct 27 11:03:53 ;-) Oct 27 11:04:01 lol Oct 27 11:04:03 It'll become idiot-proof if that was to happen. Oct 27 11:04:09 got the perfect setup thread Oct 27 11:04:19 n900 perfect setup Oct 27 11:04:26 copy pasting Oct 27 11:04:29 * sixwheeledbeast has realised my tweaks doesn't remove games. Oct 27 11:04:32 let me see if it works Oct 27 11:05:03 please read the goddamn warning! Oct 27 11:05:29 this evolves into a alpha-xyz issue Oct 27 11:05:32 hi all Oct 27 11:05:46 how can I tell uboot to load kerenl power by default? Oct 27 11:05:53 since xy issue isn't enough fun already Oct 27 11:06:36 DrCode: ask Pali Oct 27 11:07:00 ok Oct 27 11:07:02 thankyou Oct 27 11:07:12 ~uboot Oct 27 11:07:12 N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 Oct 27 11:09:02 DrCode: read first post in above thread ^^^^ Oct 27 11:09:53 DocScrutinizer05: maybe you should add note to uboot factoid that before asking questions read first post in that thread :-) Oct 27 11:09:59 thankyou Oct 27 11:10:33 Pali: I'm just readin it but honestly can't spot the info Oct 27 11:13:24 any keyboard shortcut to select text from screen, my screen is mad,no inputs... Oct 27 11:13:42 i need that left side cursor lock Oct 27 11:14:29 pali: do I need to edit .item file? Oct 27 11:14:34 I don't understand , sorry Oct 27 11:14:52 no, read first post, just create symlink Oct 27 11:15:12 ok Oct 27 11:15:14 thankyou Oct 27 11:16:10 Should probably just SSH in. Oct 27 11:16:12 I honestly can't find any info about which is the automatically booted kernel/system, in that post. Rather I'm dizzy now Oct 27 11:21:12 legendracer: in terminal I guess? You will need the Paste button in the touchscreen menu anyway. ssh would be easier Oct 27 11:21:30 my touch screen is mad bro... Oct 27 11:21:53 i make 1 click, it takes 10 clicks...i dont do anything..still it clicks Oct 27 11:22:21 i need to copy the command from maemo website and paste in x termonal Oct 27 11:22:50 AFAIK there are no keyboard shortcuts for touchscreen parts in terminal Oct 27 11:23:18 Instead you could have listened in for a clue. SSH.. for the _second_ time. Oct 27 11:27:16 i have show a lot of patience to work with this screen now... Oct 27 11:33:23 I fear I can't help there. I have NFC how to setup SSH to Win7 64bit. search for PuTTY? Oct 27 11:34:48 He just wants to complain, let him complain all he likes. Oct 27 11:46:53 sure, putty Oct 27 11:46:59 and yes, sinply ignore Oct 27 11:47:44 when even users complain that this channel feels worse than 1st level helpdesk, sth goes haywire Oct 27 11:48:52 actually it feels more like first class on "how to use a computer", than 1st level help desk Oct 27 11:49:36 ~question Oct 27 11:49:36 rumour has it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Oct 27 11:50:09 askers not willing to listen and to learn are not worth the effort Oct 27 11:51:08 Maybe we should make support a premium product.. hey microsoft did that so why not us? :)) maybe the inquirers will listen because it's their money that they're paying for. Oct 27 11:52:57 brilliant idea, alas it probably fails for micro-payment Oct 27 11:53:38 Nah we make it money front up rather than money offered after the solution was provided. Oct 27 11:53:41 I would think that will fragment community more so Oct 27 11:54:02 yeah, prolly Oct 27 11:54:20 but sometimes it's simply too much Oct 27 11:54:29 time to take a break then Oct 27 11:54:42 The issue is not asking for advise, more having to spoon feed Oct 27 11:54:53 yep, sure Oct 27 11:55:21 even spoonfeed to a unwilling child that spits it all on your trousers Oct 27 11:55:24 Even worse are the ones that "bites the hand that feeds'. Oct 27 11:56:03 oh yeah, we got those too, every now and then Oct 27 11:56:25 we can't know everything, but you have to be willing to put in some effort, it is your problem after all. Oct 27 11:57:22 There's also those who are simply impatient, expecting us to have our faces glued to the screen.. well not literally but more or less the same context. Oct 27 11:58:22 sixwheeledbeast: I clearly adviced to full-reflash to stock, NOT to install any additional apps, and then test if the problem persists. I don't see any willingness to follow the given advice. That's it on my side Oct 27 11:59:36 psycho_oreos: oh yeah, those drive-by askers you'd love to kick for leaving the channel 5 min after asking Oct 27 12:00:45 anyway it's kinda amazing to see that renaissance of new users dropping by - 1 year ago we had one new user per month maybe Oct 27 12:00:51 DocScrutinizer05, almost the same goes with those that "bumps" threads. They don't necessarily use the word bump but they'll use ways to ensure their thread is on top. Oct 27 12:01:18 yeah, but that's tmo anyway. you know, ~tmo Oct 27 12:01:31 ;-) Oct 27 12:01:38 Well the price of used devices has dropped again Oct 27 12:01:45 yep Oct 27 12:01:50 I have some sense of feeling some of these new users come with their own set of perception on what free support is. Oct 27 12:01:56 I hope I don't counteract this trend Oct 27 12:02:00 ;-D Oct 27 12:02:43 A friend got a spare for £40 since his started dropping sim intermittantly Oct 27 12:02:44 psycho_oreos: that's what smart-questions aka ~question is for ;-) Oct 27 12:02:54 ~ask Oct 27 12:02:54 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Oct 27 12:03:21 DocScrutinizer05, yeah but not many will actually read and accept that. Which is somewhat irritating. Oct 27 12:03:32 indeed Oct 27 12:04:11 even more irritating: freenode guidelines deprecate http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Oct 27 12:04:11 They won't ask smart questions, they won't listen for suggestions, they just want their questions to be answered precisely to the point and in a prompt manner. Oct 27 12:04:50 Yeah freenode has gone soft over the years.. you can thank the likes of #ubuntu channel guidelines for instance and when #linux turned soft. Oct 27 12:05:04 yeah, "what are the software patches to make a broken hardware digitizer work again?" Oct 27 12:05:36 "help"! "I can't flash my n900" "its broken..." "help!" Oct 27 12:05:39 but this is more and more common in society not just here IMO Oct 27 12:05:40 I still love those two: Oct 27 12:05:44 ~debian xyz Oct 27 12:05:46 * infobot tells xyz to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Oct 27 12:05:57 ~ubuntu xyz Oct 27 12:05:58 * infobot lovingly explains to xyz in a way that causes xyz to weep with gratitude that xyz must read the fine, friendly manual Oct 27 12:06:23 Not all people (namely old timers) are willing to accept the softer rules. Oct 27 12:06:43 I'm particualrly not willing to play by them Oct 27 12:07:44 I too have gotten sick of the idea on spoonfeeding. I thought I could get some sort of gratitude in return but no. I get bombarded with questions and with desperation emphasis added to it. Oct 27 12:07:49 I tried hard (with quite some success I think) to be less rude and grumpy since I'm councilor. But my capabilities regarding that are limited Oct 27 12:08:14 Take part in anonymous survey about past and current cooperation between companies and communities in open source mobile Linux projects (all questions are optional): Oct 27 12:08:18 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1kHw7TFOlWTSyDDmNP0fPPuAt8zpCvRbbLsmX1Mqdmec/viewform Oct 27 12:08:33 DocScrutinizer05: I think you have gone soft :P Oct 27 12:08:57 fk_lx: what's that? Oct 27 12:09:13 a survey :-) Oct 27 12:09:25 you're lucky you answered Oct 27 12:10:24 fk_lx: could you elaborate on what exactly this survey is about and why it matters to maemo users? Oct 27 12:10:46 DocScrutinizer05: of course Oct 27 12:11:29 I'm interested in opinions about cooperation between open source communities and companies on mobile Linux projects **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 27 12:14:10 2013 Oct 27 12:14:34 I think the results of the report might open eyes to some people in companies ;-) Oct 27 12:15:07 * DocScrutinizer05 prepares another coffee Oct 27 12:16:04 DocScrutinizer05: of course the more people will take part, the better overall view will be achieved Oct 27 12:16:22 .. in theory.. Oct 27 12:16:48 btw. does anyone recall if similar surveys were conducted before? Oct 27 12:18:15 Not I, and I basically doubt it would change how people in companies would think otherwise of linux support. Oct 27 12:20:00 fk_lx: one suggestion: add a note about total number of questions and estimated time needed to complete the query. It gets you more and better answers Oct 27 12:22:14 DocScrutinizer05: well all the questions are optional and there are many open questions so it's hard to define that Oct 27 12:22:28 I know Oct 27 12:22:53 but many will not even start when they can't see the end Oct 27 12:23:04 ok Oct 27 12:23:26 I guess 15 minutes is max Oct 27 12:23:52 rather be "pessimistic" with your numbers, users won't be disappointed when they started under the premise of it taking 30min and they completed it in 10 Oct 27 12:24:12 the other way around though will get you aborted queries Oct 27 12:27:05 also don't miss to give users a hint about how many percent they already got completed. And thank them for their contribution at end of query Oct 27 12:28:19 DocScrutinizer05: thanks for helpful feedback Oct 27 12:28:24 yw :-) Oct 27 12:28:36 I've added the time at beginning of the survey Oct 27 12:28:48 and also some default progress bar (which isn't so good btw.) Oct 27 12:29:41 that doesn't matter much, as long as users have an idea they are making progress at all Oct 27 12:30:16 even a 3/15 page number would suffice Oct 27 12:31:09 DocScrutinizer: well the progress bar shows 50% on first page :-P Oct 27 12:31:17 I.E nobody will abort on page 14/15 Oct 27 12:32:02 but a lot will abort on page 6/15 when no page numbers displayed Oct 27 12:33:04 actually I think a "page 1 of 15" header is best you can get Oct 27 12:36:19 DocScrutinizer05: ok added that on top :-) Oct 27 18:16:32 Suggest some screenshot app pleasee!! Oct 27 18:17:39 qwerty123: wut? Oct 27 18:18:06 import? Oct 27 18:18:12 Ctrl + Shift + P Oct 27 18:19:54 sixwheeledbeast: after that combination what shud i do to get the pic??!! Oct 27 18:20:32 search in .images IIRC Oct 27 18:20:42 /home/user somewhere Oct 27 18:23:16 sixwheeledbeast: thnx got it!! Some other alternative??!! Oct 27 18:24:15 some load-applet program in extras, can't remember name, search "screenshot" in HAM Oct 27 18:24:25 will repeat myself a bit :-) Please take part in a survey (5-20 minutes needed) about co-op between companies and open source community on mobile Linux projects (23 people filled the form so far): Oct 27 18:24:32 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1kHw7TFOlWTSyDDmNP0fPPuAt8zpCvRbbLsmX1Mqdmec/viewform Oct 27 18:27:33 ~pkg Oct 27 18:27:33 i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Oct 27 18:28:40 qwerty123: http://maemo.org/packages/view/load-applet/ Oct 27 18:28:50 apt-cache search :P got it! Thnx!!sixwheeledbeast: Oct 27 18:30:39 IIRC load-applet saves it in a different place with a screenshotxxx.png filename Oct 27 18:45:49 sixwheeledbeast: in .images!! Oct 27 20:11:42 * sixwheeledbeast wonders if a "animated knot" app would be useful for maemo... Oct 27 22:27:28 hi all Oct 27 22:27:52 I have strange problem, some calls ring one time and forward to answering , any idea? Oct 27 22:36:04 any additional software Oct 27 22:53:53 no Oct 27 22:53:57 strang Oct 27 22:53:58 e **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 28 02:59:58 2013