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Nov 03 08:57:18 <tzafrir> I'd really love supporting the neo900, but I have to go through hoops to paying them
Nov 03 08:57:24 <tzafrir> I pass
Nov 03 09:16:58 <japa-fi> Slashdot picked up the story about neo900
Nov 03 09:17:05 <japa-fi> someone posted to comments:
Nov 03 09:17:12 <japa-fi> I have an old n900 at home. I'll be sitting this one out as I don't like resistive screens.
Nov 03 09:17:13 <japa-fi> If you can show you're a developer with some projects under your belt who can help this project just send me a message and I'll send you my phone
Nov 03 09:17:31 <japa-fi> (hint hint)
Nov 03 11:23:20 <Pali> >>> [20:36:45] <DocScrutinizer05> ussd is completely obsolete <<< Why?
Nov 03 11:32:19 <DocScrutinizer05> because of starhash-enabler
Nov 03 11:44:31 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: after you removed links in wiki they have appeared again. I was hoping after explaining he was going to move his flashing ver2 to userspace but now I feel it will be hanging around. I will leave for 24hours to see if they are moved before deciding what to do.
Nov 03 11:45:45 <DocScrutinizer05> I didn't remove any links
Nov 03 11:45:57 <Agge> the old pages should only be redirects right now I moved all of them
Nov 03 11:46:02 <DocScrutinizer05> all I did was rolling back an edit on the main page ~flashing
Nov 03 11:46:36 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: please clean this up proactively
Nov 03 11:46:54 <Agge> I did add a comment in the discusion page that I am working on the rev2 I hope that that is ok?
Nov 03 11:47:04 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Nov 03 11:47:23 <Agge> ok thanks
Nov 03 11:47:27 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Nov 03 11:48:07 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: ooh, what I also did was setting a protect status on the page
Nov 03 11:48:38 <DocScrutinizer05> since we hardly seen any sensible edits during last 12 months
Nov 03 11:48:54 <sixwheeledbeast> ah, sorry my bad... read the diff log wrong 
Nov 03 11:49:07 <DocScrutinizer05> and even before there was more spam than useful edits
Nov 03 11:49:49 <DocScrutinizer05> oh yeah, I removed some spam on talk page
Nov 03 11:52:01 <DocScrutinizer05> just for the record and since it came to mind: if anybody isn't content with the work the other mods and me are doing on wiki: just go ahead discuss it with us, we're not the kings but the service dudes of wiki
Nov 03 11:52:33 <sixwheeledbeast> Agge: sorry , thank you. 
Nov 03 11:53:13 <DocScrutinizer05> if anybody got to finally decide on any dispute, then that's THE COUNCIL which many of you seem to have completely forgotten or consider irrelevant for maemo
Nov 03 11:53:23 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: I agree
Nov 03 11:54:30 <Agge> np sorry about being a jerk yesterday
Nov 03 11:54:40 <DocScrutinizer05> nevermind
Nov 03 11:55:37 <sixwheeledbeast> I was confused by the move log. Old links have been set to redirects
Nov 03 11:55:55 <DocScrutinizer05> that's normal for any move afaik
Nov 03 11:56:29 <DocScrutinizer05> though iirc there's an option to do or not to do forwards
Nov 03 11:56:46 <obiwlan> i'm still trying to get the latest cssu version. i set my date to 2011 like DocScrutinizer05 suggested and updated again using ham. it pulled a big cssu update, but even after rebooting the cssu about page still displays version 21.2011.38-T1.mameo8.3
Nov 03 11:57:13 <sixwheeledbeast> that is the latest
Nov 03 11:57:22 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Nov 03 11:57:27 <sixwheeledbeast> testing version anyway
Nov 03 11:58:09 <obiwlan> mh okay
Nov 03 11:58:37 <sixwheeledbeast> the date needs to be 2010 to update to PR1.3.x then every thing is from cssu repo.
Nov 03 11:59:40 * sixwheeledbeast is wondering why it doesn't seem like the latest version
Nov 03 11:59:58 <obiwlan> sixwheeledbeast: i guess i read the devel changelog then
Nov 03 12:00:09 <DocScrutinizer05> ouch
Nov 03 12:00:26 <obiwlan> ouch?
Nov 03 12:00:28 <DocScrutinizer05> we should make clear devel is a nogo for non-developers
Nov 03 12:00:42 <obiwlan> i'm willing to take the risk :)
Nov 03 12:00:52 <DocScrutinizer05> it's obviously too easy to confuse devel with testing or stable
Nov 03 12:01:05 <DocScrutinizer05> obiwlan: devel is DEFECT per definition
Nov 03 12:01:43 <DocScrutinizer05> if a package wasn't defect or buggy it wouldn't sit in devel. To put it simple
Nov 03 12:02:25 <obiwlan> DocScrutinizer05: i don't think it's that easy to confuse stable with devel, but if devel is broken.. that wasn't clear to me
Nov 03 12:02:26 <kolp> The maemo version numbering scheme is complicated...
Nov 03 12:02:43 <DocScrutinizer05> devel's purpose is for developers to share their buggy under-development code with other devels
Nov 03 12:02:50 <kolp> That was re: sixwheeledbeast's wondering about 'the latest'
Nov 03 12:03:25 <sixwheeledbeast> It's there to make it easier for devs to pre-test packages before releasing to testers.
Nov 03 12:03:44 <sixwheeledbeast> kolp: it's not confusing at all IMO
Nov 03 12:04:02 <kolp> For a noob 21.2011.38-T1.mameo8.3 looks ancient
Nov 03 12:04:56 <sixwheeledbeast> how? it follows debian packaging rules
Nov 03 12:05:06 <kolp> The 2011 in there
Nov 03 12:05:09 <sixwheeledbeast> use dpkg --compare-version :)
Nov 03 12:05:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I gave up on giving this a meaning long ago
Nov 03 12:05:37 <DocScrutinizer05> heritage
Nov 03 12:05:42 <sixwheeledbeast> I see what you mean, it can't be helped.
Nov 03 12:05:47 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather - legacy
Nov 03 12:05:55 <kolp> I'm not bitching about the cssu versions, but the original version numbers assigned by nokia :)
Nov 03 12:06:16 <kolp> And file names
Nov 03 12:06:29 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, an abomination
Nov 03 12:06:30 <kolp> Of the images
Nov 03 12:09:56 <DocScrutinizer05> on a sidenote: http://www.nokita.fi/pitch/
Nov 03 12:10:55 <DocScrutinizer05> they'll need the extra 2Billion for changing all signs on shops alone
Nov 03 12:11:28 <DocScrutinizer05> but it sounds really really good, best news since Elop born
Nov 03 12:11:44 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly p.12, p.13 ff
Nov 03 12:12:01 <DocScrutinizer05> this guy got balls and visions
Nov 03 12:12:14 <DocScrutinizer05> unlike MrFlop
Nov 03 12:15:06 <DocScrutinizer05> you're aware that "linux host OS with sandboxes for guest OSes" also means "maemo running on it flawlessly and basically OOTB"? On *all* phones that meet this architecture guideline
Nov 03 12:16:54 <DocScrutinizer05> for me that would mean a mobile world of my dreams coming true
Nov 03 12:17:22 <DocScrutinizer05> if only they dont aegify it again
Nov 03 12:17:46 <DocScrutinizer05> there are some concerning statements regarding that later on in this document
Nov 03 12:26:52 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: don;t see that happening :(
Nov 03 12:29:26 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: no, ussd contains ussd desktop widget with regexp parting, starhash enabler not
Nov 03 12:30:09 <DocScrutinizer05> umm, ok
Nov 03 12:30:46 <Pali> and I think that starhash enabler not enabling USSD codes
Nov 03 12:30:54 <Pali> but something other
Nov 03 12:31:15 <Pali> USSD support is enabled by default in pr1.2 (or 1.3?)
Nov 03 12:31:39 <Pali> for that starhash is needed to install that your package for enabling some config option
Nov 03 12:40:22 <Agge> would it be a bad idea to make the swap partition bigger by editing the eMMC img before flashing?
Nov 03 12:46:44 <SpeedEvil> In general, more swap never improves performance. If it's deep enough into swap that it needs it all - it's stalled anyway
Nov 03 12:48:14 <ShadowJK> bigger swap delays onset of swap fragmentation though
Nov 03 12:49:04 <ShadowJK> and even after it's fragmented, the performance hit isn't as bad right away
Nov 03 12:50:00 <Agge> ok thanks. was too long ago that I used a system that hade a amount of ram smal enough that swap would be usefully. might make it 1gb to make it more even
Nov 03 12:51:41 <SpeedEvil> EMMC is unfortunately rather slower.
Nov 03 12:51:48 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: true
Nov 03 12:53:07 <mashina_> need to get autotools on my phone (need to build right on it) but all the packages for autothings are broken
Nov 03 12:53:47 <ShadowJK> i just used the sdk rootfs in a chroot
Nov 03 13:15:47 <mashina_> i'd like to compile on device
Nov 03 13:15:58 <mashina_> i have everything I need to build except autotools on it
Nov 03 13:40:09 <vandenoever> what's currently the best firmware for the n900?
Nov 03 13:41:27 * DocScrutinizer05 thinks making swap *amaller* and run reswap or sth similar will yield better results than making swap aven larger than it already is
Nov 03 13:42:48 <DocScrutinizer05> mashina_: all dudes who ever did builds on device used easydeb to install the gcc-suite and tools into it
Nov 03 13:43:20 <DocScrutinizer05> it's kinda insane to try and install all to /, or even to try and optify all that crap
Nov 03 13:43:51 <DocScrutinizer05> vandenoever: 
Nov 03 13:43:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pr131
Nov 03 13:43:56 <infobot> [combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin  or  http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Nov 03 13:43:59 <DocScrutinizer05> and 
Nov 03 13:44:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
Nov 03 13:44:02 <infobot> rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Nov 03 13:45:17 <vandenoever> DocScrutinizer05: ok, so not a full community one but the last one by nokia?
Nov 03 13:45:33 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no "community one"
Nov 03 13:45:50 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu are patches on top of stock fremantle
Nov 03 13:46:14 <DocScrutinizer05> there's still no other fremantle than stock fremantle
Nov 03 13:46:19 <DocScrutinizer05> +distro*
Nov 03 13:46:33 <vandenoever> ok, and no other firmwares, e.g. mer
Nov 03 13:46:46 <DocScrutinizer05> other distro would be nitdroid, or SHR, or...
Nov 03 13:46:52 <DocScrutinizer05> or mer
Nov 03 13:47:00 <DocScrutinizer05> or nemo
Nov 03 13:47:04 <DocScrutinizer05> or whatever
Nov 03 13:47:25 <DocScrutinizer05> none of those really useable as a daily phone afaik
Nov 03 13:48:01 <vandenoever> ah, that's too bad, what's shr?
Nov 03 13:48:35 <DocScrutinizer05> nokia fremantle still is the firmware developed by the hw developers for their commercial product. Hard to outsmart it
Nov 03 13:48:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~shr
Nov 03 13:48:45 <infobot> shr is probably The Stable Hybrid Release (SHR), intended to be a community driven distribution composed of the FSO and some basic applications, that can be configured to use several different graphical toolkits, for example GTK or EFL. SHR is based on the FSO build. At first, SHR was introduced in order to use the Openmoko2007.2 GTK software in combination with the new FSO, but things have changed.
Nov 03 13:49:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fso
Nov 03 13:49:19 <infobot> hmm... fso is the freesmartphone.org mobile devices middleware.
Nov 03 13:49:57 <DocScrutinizer05> lemme try sth
Nov 03 13:50:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~distros
Nov 03 13:50:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ~distro
Nov 03 13:50:07 <infobot> it has been said that distro is significa distribution (english)
Nov 03 13:50:10 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Nov 03 13:51:49 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI
Nov 03 13:54:12 <DocScrutinizer05> shr ^^^
Nov 03 13:54:21 <DocScrutinizer05> thaks dos1
Nov 03 13:54:27 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks*
Nov 03 13:56:36 <vandenoever> ah, interesting ui
Nov 03 13:57:26 <dos1> it's enlightenment
Nov 03 13:57:32 <dos1> e17 with illume2 module
Nov 03 13:57:39 <dos1> that blue screens was my own custom theme
Nov 03 13:58:16 <dos1> and the ui was slower than it should be, cause as you can see in htop, something was eating 100% CPU all the time :D
Nov 03 13:58:26 <vandenoever> onscreen keyboard seems good
Nov 03 14:03:44 <cryptonite> hey i am trying to install cssu-thumb but it is in conflict with package hildon-thumbnail, how can i solve this?
Nov 03 14:08:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu-thumb
Nov 03 14:08:28 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb
Nov 03 14:09:01 <cryptonite> never mind i found it
Nov 03 14:55:24 <cryptonite> or maybe not
Nov 03 14:55:45 <cryptonite> so what is the proper way to install cssu-thumb?
Nov 03 14:56:12 <freemangordon> ~cssu-thumb
Nov 03 14:56:12 <infobot> cssu-thumb is, like, <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb
Nov 03 14:56:50 <freemangordon> cryptonite: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 , "How to install it?"
Nov 03 15:00:38 <cryptonite> i have done what it says and it got me to the my first here
Nov 03 15:01:03 <cryptonite> maemo 5 community ssu is in confliict with hildon-thumbnail
Nov 03 15:01:03 <freemangordon> cryptonite: so, what is the problem?
Nov 03 15:01:17 <cryptonite> and it wont install
Nov 03 15:01:39 <freemangordon> ХИЛДОН-ТХУМБНАИЛ?
Nov 03 15:01:44 <freemangordon> oops
Nov 03 15:01:53 <freemangordon> hildon-thumbnail? which version?
Nov 03 15:02:17 <freemangordon> or rather, could you post the content of the "problems" tab in HAM?
Nov 03 15:02:19 <cryptonite> wait cause it is checking for updates
Nov 03 15:02:25 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 03 15:05:05 <cryptonite> it is trying to install "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3" (shouldnt it be maemo8.2-thumb something?) and in problems tap it is in conflict with hildon-thumbnail(3.0.51+0m5)
Nov 03 15:05:22 <cryptonite> what repos should i have enabled?
Nov 03 15:05:31 <freemangordon> wait a minute to check something
Nov 03 15:06:52 <freemangordon> cryptonite: you should have cssu-testin, cssu-thumb and Nokia repos enabled
Nov 03 15:08:25 <cryptonite> i have enabled nokia apps, nokia ssu, maemo extras, cssu testing and cssu testing-thumb
Nov 03 15:08:53 <freemangordon> yep, that's fine
Nov 03 15:09:16 <cryptonite> so why it wont install?
Nov 03 15:09:42 <cryptonite> maybe should i disable cssu testing-thumb and enable cssu thumb?
Nov 03 15:09:46 <freemangordon> cryptonite: maybe because of the last -testing update, gimme some time
Nov 03 15:09:58 <freemangordon> those should be equal
Nov 03 15:10:01 <cryptonite> ok man am waiting
Nov 03 15:10:50 <ShadowJK> 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3 conflict with application packages hildon-thumbnail (3.0.51+0m5)
Nov 03 15:11:07 <freemangordon> merlin1991: ping
Nov 03 15:11:32 <merlin1991> freemangordon: pong
Nov 03 15:11:42 <freemangordon> merlin1991: <ShadowJK> 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3 conflict with application packages hildon-thumbnail (3.0.51+0m5)
Nov 03 15:11:52 <merlin1991> dafaq?
Nov 03 15:11:53 <freemangordon> any idea?
Nov 03 15:12:17 <freemangordon> merlin1991: BTW, did you push the latest -testing changes to gitorious?
Nov 03 15:12:33 <merlin1991> ah yeah I didn't push the mp
Nov 03 15:12:35 <merlin1991> sec
Nov 03 15:12:43 <cryptonite> wish i could help you guys
Nov 03 15:14:01 <freemangordon> cryptonite: join #maemo-ssu please
Nov 03 15:39:16 <mashina_> so I need mono in the SDK to compile something, what do? a google ddg search only says how to compile mono itself (yeah, no, i've done that before)
Nov 03 16:35:15 <Pali> SHIT, ubuntu has started using systemd too: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=systemd&searchon=sourcenames
Nov 03 16:35:49 <dos1> Pali: using, or just having it in the repo?
Nov 03 16:36:00 <Pali> pulseaudio depends on logind
Nov 03 16:36:37 <Pali> logind is part of systemd and pulseaudio is needed on ubuntu
Nov 03 16:36:56 <Pali> so for this dependency, systemd is needed
Nov 03 16:37:26 <sixwheeledbeast> It's in the repo since April but not enabled by default
Nov 03 16:37:56 <Pali> sixwheeledbeast: pulseaudio 4.0 in ubuntu repos *needs* logind
Nov 03 16:38:25 <Pali> and pulseaudio is dependency for ubuntu
Nov 03 16:38:51 <Pali> yes, logind is only one part of systemd...
Nov 03 16:39:13 <Pali> but they already using it
Nov 03 16:40:16 <NIN101> afaik, debian is considering either upstart or systemd, but if it indeed comes down to one of them, I guess it will most likely be systemd. 
Nov 03 16:40:25 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't have systemd or logind but I have pulseaudio
Nov 03 16:49:23 <sixwheeledbeast> pulseaudio 4.0-0ubuntu6 to be exact, only dependency related is "libsystemd-login0"
Nov 03 16:50:42 <sixwheeledbeast> however that doesn't depend on systemd or logind to be installed only libc6
Nov 03 17:00:36 * sixwheeledbeast thinks freemangordon 's inbox is about to overflow...
Nov 03 17:05:11 <sixwheeledbeast> it is annoying how SMM10 got binned after promising to support, then spam customers e-mail with android crap
Nov 03 17:08:55 <Deele> hello
Nov 03 17:09:25 <Deele> it seems that .css is not working for http://maemo.org/, is it normal?
Nov 03 17:09:56 <Pali> sixwheeledbeast: why is libsystemd needed then?
Nov 03 17:10:27 <Pali> Deele: css is on some web server accessed via port 81 
Nov 03 17:10:32 <Pali> enable firewall
Nov 03 17:11:09 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: ^^^^^ there is really no option to use port 80 for static.maemo.org ?
Nov 03 17:11:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ask warfare
Nov 03 17:12:23 <DocScrutinizer05> they sit on same server now
Nov 03 17:12:30 <Pali> really there are lot of networks which blocking all outgoing ports except 22, 80, 443, 587, 993 and 995
Nov 03 17:13:18 <Deele> Pali oh, it works, thanks
Nov 03 17:14:05 <DocScrutinizer05> static.maemo.org.       300     IN      CNAME   www.maemo.org.
Nov 03 17:14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> so it's kinda hard to spread them to two separate http server processes
Nov 03 17:14:43 <Pali> $ wget -q maemo.org -O - | grep 81
Nov 03 17:15:02 <sixwheeledbeast> Deele: I am guessing firefox?
Nov 03 17:15:18 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: yes, it is hard...
Nov 03 17:15:35 <Deele> sixwheeledbeast all browsers, I had a limited ammount of ports, web browsers were allowed to connect to
Nov 03 17:15:46 <DocScrutinizer05> bbl, afk
Nov 03 17:15:57 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: use only one http server for both and configure virtual server for static to forward requests to second?
Nov 03 17:16:20 <Deele> stupid developers, why they could not use conventional css storage methods
Nov 03 17:16:25 <DocScrutinizer05> how would that offload load from apache?
Nov 03 17:17:19 <DocScrutinizer05> if we had an own IP for static.m.o then it would be simple
Nov 03 17:18:01 <DocScrutinizer05> but since nemein decided to use that approach in consolidation, we're kinda pawned now
Nov 03 17:18:45 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: does not lighthttpd support virtual servers?
Nov 03 17:19:01 <DocScrutinizer05> how's that changing stuff?
Nov 03 17:19:18 <DocScrutinizer05> suggest to run midgard under lighttpd?
Nov 03 17:19:32 <Pali> you wanted to offload requests from apache
Nov 03 17:20:00 <Pali> so you can use some other http server which will decide where to forward requests (if to apache or not)
Nov 03 17:20:09 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I'm in a hurry. Please rethink
Nov 03 17:21:07 <DocScrutinizer05> check varnish
Nov 03 17:21:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ask warfare
Nov 03 17:21:32 <Pali> ok
Nov 03 17:26:48 <mashina_> can I install packages from maemo.org into scratchbox?
Nov 03 17:27:49 <beford> if you have active the ARM "mode" (can't remember the name) probably but they won't run perfectly
Nov 03 17:29:20 <Tekk_> e there any man page packages?
Nov 03 17:32:49 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer05: you pinged me about backupmenu not installing due to dependency issues, anything else that came up?=
Nov 03 17:36:36 <merlin1991> Tekk_: there is man-db-n900
Nov 03 17:39:05 <Tekk_> thans
Nov 03 17:39:11 <merlin1991> mashina_: yes you can, and if  there is an i386 build available you can even try them in the simulator
Nov 03 17:39:44 <mashina_> yeah, I just need it for mono and the sdk's toolchain
Nov 03 17:41:02 <cryptonite> so after installing cssu-thumb i see i have kernel cssu3, does it have overclocking capabilities or should i install power?
Nov 03 17:41:15 <freemangordon> cryptonite: it has
Nov 03 17:41:26 <freemangordon> but you need to install kernel-power-settings
Nov 03 17:41:27 <mashina_> it'd build a a platform neutral binary
Nov 03 17:41:36 <mashina_> i just want the same version maemo has to avoid conflics
Nov 03 17:41:41 <freemangordon> (to be able to use them)
Nov 03 17:42:53 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer05: backupmenu installs perfectly fine, whoever had the problem had a broken repositories configuration
Nov 03 17:43:31 <merlin1991> hm mono, afaik there is a full blown monodevelop available for the n900
Nov 03 17:43:56 <cryptonite> cssu vs power, which is better and why?
Nov 03 17:44:20 <freemangordon> -cssu is -power v 51r1
Nov 03 17:44:29 <merlin1991> afaik the maintainer dissappeared when it didn't run on cssu for some time (thanks to the thumb toolchain problems we had)
Nov 03 17:48:41 <cryptonite> so the power kernel in extras-testing will be better
Nov 03 17:49:11 <freemangordon> sure
Nov 03 18:00:09 <mashina_> merlin1991: i need autconfo
Nov 03 18:00:16 <mashina_> aka all of gnu autohells
Nov 03 18:02:37 <cryptonite> how can i record the duration of a call?
Nov 03 18:04:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Nov 03 18:04:11 <infobot> jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Nov 03 18:10:14 <cryptonite> wtf is all that
Nov 03 18:11:04 <merlin1991> mashina_: there is autotools 1.9 available as highest version afaik
Nov 03 18:11:29 <cryptonite> i will check when i have time 
Nov 03 18:11:34 <cryptonite> anyway thanx guys
Nov 03 18:11:44 <merlin1991> mashina_: err automake 1.9
Nov 03 18:11:51 <merlin1991> the packagename is automake1.9
Nov 03 20:07:00 <mashina_> mhmhmhmhmh, running an ./autogen.sh and it doesn't generate a install-sh
Nov 03 20:07:01 <mashina_> fuck
Nov 03 21:15:33 <zamn900> hello does anyone know how to unlock choicelock?
Nov 03 21:19:18 <zamn900> DocScrutinizer05, 
Nov 03 21:19:54 <zamn900> do you anybody know choicelock
Nov 03 21:20:05 <sixwheeledbeast> ~choicelock
Nov 03 21:21:03 <zamn900> ~choice-lockscreen
Nov 03 21:21:07 <zamn900> actually
Nov 03 21:22:19 <zamn900> wow this perfectly overclocked n900 is very cool
Nov 03 21:23:07 <sixwheeledbeast> when quick research indicates it's a skin for qtlockscreen.
Nov 03 21:23:26 <Agge> am I corect that I souldent install cssu thumbs over the power kernel? or would I not need cssu tumbs it I use the power kernel?
Nov 03 21:23:49 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't use qtlockscreen due to it pointlessly eating memory.
Nov 03 21:24:31 <kolp> Agge: You can perfectly well install cssu-thumb while having power-kernel installed
Nov 03 21:24:33 <sixwheeledbeast> Agge: doesn't matter if you install thumb after KP
Nov 03 21:24:49 <Agge> aha thanks
Nov 03 21:24:53 <zamn900> nice stuff
Nov 03 21:27:10 <Agge> any way to get the app manager to work faster?
Nov 03 21:28:23 <Herbstbert> Maybe with the fast app manager?
Nov 03 21:29:13 <zamn900> theme customizer and choose (fast) option in there 
Nov 03 21:29:55 <zamn900> ans QCPUFreq
Nov 03 21:30:32 <Herbstbert> Agge: This one i meant: http://maemo.org/packages/view/fapman/
Nov 03 21:30:40 <Agge> thanks
Nov 03 21:30:59 <zamn900> hello does anyone know how to unlock choicelock?
Nov 03 21:31:31 <Herbstbert> Agge: It's really waaaay faster.
Nov 03 21:33:40 <zamn900> I don't find yet any guide about the new choice lockscreen
Nov 03 21:34:28 <zamn900> I see red balls for unlocking the screen and says choose the right button
Nov 03 21:34:35 <Agge> no search in it?
Nov 03 21:36:23 <Agge> aha needed to download the repositors first :)
Nov 03 21:38:16 <sixwheeledbeast> ~fam
Nov 03 21:38:16 <infobot> [fapman] Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated
Nov 03 21:39:38 <sixwheeledbeast> ~broken
Nov 03 21:39:38 <infobot> well, broken is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/known_broken_packages
Nov 03 21:39:49 <sixwheeledbeast> ^^^ theme-customizer
Nov 03 21:40:42 <zamn900> it gives you faster impression of the use
Nov 03 21:41:00 <zamn900> but kernel is the key
Nov 03 21:41:40 <Agge> so is it ok to use to regular package install but not system upgrade installs?
Nov 03 21:42:27 <zamn900> ... idk why as I upgraded I mean dist-upgraded I fucked up all times my n900
Nov 03 21:42:43 <beford> dist-upgrade is not recommended either
Nov 03 21:42:50 <zamn900> yep
Nov 03 21:42:56 <zamn900> absolutely
Nov 03 21:43:37 <zamn900> leave application manager upgrade alone the apps
Nov 03 21:44:11 <Agge> too bad that you cant just use apt-get for everything
Nov 03 21:44:22 <zamn900> you can
Nov 03 21:44:37 <sixwheeledbeast> Basically put up with HAM because all other options may end up in tears.
Nov 03 21:44:44 <Agge> ^
Nov 03 21:44:47 <zamn900> but not like normally you behaved
Nov 03 21:46:23 <sixwheeledbeast> This is due to extra things HAM does over apt. FAM is a GUI for apt-get so is doubly pointless IMO.
Nov 03 21:47:11 <Agge> so what would be needed is a rewrite of HAM? 
Nov 03 21:47:45 <zamn900> what's HAM?
Nov 03 21:48:01 <sixwheeledbeast> patches are added to HAM but it doesn't "need" a re-write.
Nov 03 21:48:05 <sixwheeledbeast> ~ham
Nov 03 21:48:07 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does
Nov 03 21:48:14 <Herbstbert> zamn900: Have the same problem with the choice lockscreen... ^^ No idea what to do with it.
Nov 03 21:48:20 <zamn900> oh default one
Nov 03 21:48:28 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod:
Nov 03 21:48:58 <zamn900> Herbstbert, ok... let's hope
Nov 03 21:49:21 <zamn900> I mean anyway its author should have some email
Nov 03 21:49:43 <Agge> any fast patch I can install for it?
Nov 03 21:50:51 <sixwheeledbeast> Agge: the long story is here, covered many times before.... https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33
Nov 03 21:51:36 <sixwheeledbeast> patch as in CSSU maintained.
Nov 03 21:52:15 <Agge> so I should have it on my phone after I installed CSSU?
Nov 03 21:53:11 <zamn900> anyway Herbstbert the package is old at least 1 year
Nov 03 21:53:31 <sixwheeledbeast> Agee: it's not going to get magically faster do matter what you install
Nov 03 21:53:50 <sixwheeledbeast> Agge: what repos do you have enabled?
Nov 03 21:54:12 <sixwheeledbeast> s/do/no/
Nov 03 21:54:13 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast meant: Agge: what repos no you have enabled?
Nov 03 21:54:21 <sixwheeledbeast> doh...
Nov 03 21:54:41 <Agge> right now it just saying error. rebboting
Nov 03 21:55:15 <zamn900> laith mustafa is the author
Nov 03 22:01:06 <zamn900> lol
Nov 03 22:01:17 <zamn900> Herbstbert, I found it
Nov 03 22:01:40 <zamn900> is the up and left button
Nov 03 22:02:10 <zamn900> press it long time
Nov 03 22:08:10 <zamn900> hey I missed to ask how to connect android to n900 and contrary?
Nov 03 22:08:28 <zamn900> ssh like
Nov 03 22:10:10 <Agge> zamn900, opensshd? and the n900 and a ssh termnal program on the android?
Nov 03 22:10:32 <zamn900> mmm...
Nov 03 22:11:18 <Herbstbert> OK, I'll try... :)
Nov 03 22:11:22 <Agge> https://wiki.maemo.org/SSH
Nov 03 22:13:49 <zamn900> uh exists openssh for android ... never seen
Nov 03 22:15:03 <Agge> I don't think that openssh exist for android. I usialy use coneectbot for comand stuff
Nov 03 22:16:08 <zamn900> yep I mean similar exists
Nov 03 22:17:13 <Agge> sixwheeledbeast, I have added CSSU, CSSU testing, CSSU thumb, extras and extras testing any more repositories you would recommend?
Nov 03 22:18:57 <merlin1991> Agge: 
Nov 03 22:19:04 <merlin1991> either cssu or cssu testing
Nov 03 22:19:22 <merlin1991> and only one of extras, extras-testing, extras-devel
Nov 03 22:19:40 <sixwheeledbeast> I would recommend disabling extras-testing and you will find an instant increase in HAM's speed.
Nov 03 22:19:43 <merlin1991> in the above to lines the right repo is always a superset of the left one
Nov 03 22:20:00 <merlin1991> so no need to make more work for apt / ham when you gain not a single extra package
Nov 03 22:20:16 <Agge> Thanks
Nov 03 22:20:25 <sixwheeledbeast> exactly.
Nov 03 22:20:56 <merlin1991> ~devel-light
Nov 03 22:21:03 <merlin1991> hm does not exist yet
Nov 03 22:21:44 <Agge> should I install any of the other cssu packages that exist?
Nov 03 22:22:24 <sixwheeledbeast> cssu packages? 
Nov 03 22:22:58 <Agge> like the cssu feature configuration editor
Nov 03 22:23:47 <zamn900> ...
Nov 03 22:24:21 <sixwheeledbeast> there not "cssu packages" per say, more extras package that is a GUI for CSSU h-d options.
Nov 03 22:26:09 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't bother, call gconftool via terminal as I don't change them after I set as I like. 
Nov 03 22:27:50 <sixwheeledbeast> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable#gconf_settings
Nov 03 22:27:59 <Agge> Thanks
Nov 03 22:31:07 <Agge> anything more I should do to make my N900 as good that it is possible. I have installed the CSSU and CSSU tumbs and the power kernel
Nov 03 22:31:19 <sixwheeledbeast> It works well for people who like to play with the settings in a GUI.
Nov 03 22:31:25 <sixwheeledbeast> Agge: backupmenu?
Nov 03 22:31:46 <Agge> that one is installed forgot to mention it
Nov 03 22:33:06 <sixwheeledbeast> well do a backup before installing anything from extras. 
Nov 03 22:34:22 <Agge> I did one befor installing CSSU
Nov 03 22:41:54 <Agge> yeah I did run your cleanup script also
Nov 03 22:47:13 <sixwheeledbeast> well if you've got a base and done a backup, feel free to wonder into userland
Nov 03 22:47:27 <Agge> thanks
Nov 03 22:47:58 <sixwheeledbeast> word of caution avoid ~crappatch
Nov 03 22:48:12 <Agge> it feels allot more unlaggy now
Nov 03 22:48:13 <Agge> ?
Nov 03 22:48:58 <sixwheeledbeast> and only install what you need and if possible avoid widgets
Nov 03 22:49:48 <Agge> thanks
Nov 03 22:49:49 <sixwheeledbeast> maybe try swap on uSD also
Nov 03 22:50:03 <Agge> ?
Nov 03 22:51:18 <sixwheeledbeast> you can put your swap space on a uSD card, however has the issue of not being able to remove back cover.
Nov 03 22:51:55 <Agge> interesting
Nov 03 22:53:39 <Agge> thanks
Nov 03 22:53:45 <sixwheeledbeast> well without switching swap back to device.
Nov 03 22:54:27 <Agge> do it realy unmount the sd card when removing the back cover?
Nov 03 22:54:49 <sixwheeledbeast> However the idea of thumb is that you shouldn't be using as much swap 
Nov 03 22:55:24 <sixwheeledbeast> the uSD is unmounted due to a magnet in the kickstand IIRC
Nov 03 22:55:59 <sixwheeledbeast> so if swap is on uSD it's like pulling a ram stick out of a booted desktop.
Nov 03 22:56:05 <bindi> so DocScrutinizer05 my n900 doorbell project kinda is stalled :P
Nov 03 22:56:45 <bindi> i still dont know what does "enabling micbias" mean, i still can't get the headphone control thingy to react to the button being pressed
Nov 03 22:56:56 <bindi> do i really need to run something like openmediaplayer in the background to get it working?
Nov 03 22:56:57 <Agge> I need to test that whitout the battery falling out :)
Nov 03 22:58:51 <Agge> bindi, 3 button headphone?
Nov 03 22:59:39 <bindi> made a button myself as per DocScrutinizer05's instructions
Nov 03 22:59:46 <Agge> aha
Nov 03 23:00:24 <sixwheeledbeast> bindi: you need to break it down, if you haven't already. Is the button working for standard maemo tasks? Or is it the code?
Nov 03 23:00:57 <bindi> break what down? :o
Nov 03 23:01:06 <sixwheeledbeast> the problem
Nov 03 23:01:31 <sixwheeledbeast> as in diagnose where the problem is.
Nov 03 23:01:46 <bindi> well i would have assumed hsetctrl works on it's own, so when it's running, my command isnt executed as specified in hsetctrl.py
Nov 03 23:02:00 <bindi> DocScrutinizer05 talked something about "enable micbias" (like running a program to do that?)
Nov 03 23:04:00 <sixwheeledbeast> but that has broken the problem down far enough. can you prove the headset button is detected and works on it's own?
Nov 03 23:04:27 <bindi> what apps can i use to test the mute button? no sim in it
Nov 03 23:04:33 <bindi> to place a call
Nov 03 23:04:58 <sixwheeledbeast> OMP can play/pause tracks with it on CSSU-T
Nov 03 23:06:40 <Eldon_II> Anybody have an idea why the usb would fail?
Nov 03 23:07:21 <bindi> fail how? the port came loose? weak soldering
Nov 03 23:07:45 <sixwheeledbeast> bindi: doesn't "dmesg" output contain headset button connected/pressed information?
Nov 03 23:07:48 <Eldon_II> When connecting anything notthing happens. When trying to switch modes with ASUI it says 'module insertion failed'
Nov 03 23:07:55 <bindi> sixwheeledbeast: nope
Nov 03 23:08:06 <bindi> well i should confirm with a real headset :p
Nov 03 23:09:18 <sixwheeledbeast> bindi: I know "headphone connected" works with a real headset, so you have now broken down the problem further :)
Nov 03 23:09:26 <Eldon_II> Can't find anything about this error on google or the forums
Nov 03 23:09:38 <bindi> sixwheeledbeast: it does show connected, but not pressed
Nov 03 23:10:45 <sixwheeledbeast> I get "input: headset button" on press here.
Nov 03 23:11:21 <bindi> hmm
Nov 03 23:13:18 <bindi> sure you get it on press?
Nov 03 23:13:55 <bindi> says "input: headset button as /class..." something for me on connect, nothing when i press it
Nov 03 23:15:12 <Eldon_II> I'm using n800 w/os2008 +community update
Nov 03 23:15:55 <mashina_> this sdk is not worth fighting with - i'd much rather get auto* running on-device but can't L/
Nov 03 23:27:10 <Agge> do the WPA pre shared key also test for WPA2 keys or do I need to do somthing to enable WPA2 on it?
Nov 03 23:37:50 <merlin1991> mashina_: fighting?
Nov 03 23:37:51 <merlin1991> :D
Nov 03 23:37:52 <merlin1991> for met it works perfectly
Nov 03 23:42:38 <Timmo_> hi ppl
Nov 04 00:25:16 <mashina_> merlin1991: autogen doesn't want to make a install-sh
Nov 04 01:20:12 <mashina_> i can't get sym popup to appear, huhu?
Nov 04 01:20:26 <mashina_> control & and alt work
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