**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 04 02:59:58 2013 Nov 04 03:29:38 hi Nov 04 03:39:05 my media player started playng automatically at 23:00 yesterday. Nov 04 09:47:41 good morning! there is a problem Nov 04 09:48:14 my screen does not sleep alone by it self Nov 04 09:56:13 there is something wrong with qlockscreen? Nov 04 10:11:27 I've uninstalled qlockscreen completely Nov 04 11:06:16 how much memory need nitroid or android image for running in this 900? Nov 04 11:06:27 can it run on SD? Nov 04 11:24:44 memory? dunno but for sure more than the 256MB real memory available, so you'll need swap. Run from SD? sure, I don't know of any other way to run it. Nov 04 11:25:10 well, ok. you could install it to eMMC Nov 04 11:25:38 but that's honestly not recommended Nov 04 11:25:57 since most likely you soonish will want to get rid of nitdroid again Nov 04 11:35:02 NOOOOOOW Nov 04 11:37:18 DocScrutinizer05, goodmorning Nov 04 11:38:06 You bet is is a very good morning for me, hope for you too :-D Nov 04 11:38:21 nice Nov 04 11:38:39 * DocScrutinizer05 waits with a fat grin for the last 130EUR to come in Nov 04 11:41:13 amyway DocScrutinizer05 my screen in n900 does not sleep Nov 04 11:41:42 I uninstalled also qtlockscreen Nov 04 11:41:52 does not matter Nov 04 11:42:05 on charger? Nov 04 11:42:24 nope Nov 04 11:42:28 without Nov 04 11:43:45 is related to KP? Nov 04 11:43:52 and some overclock? Nov 04 11:44:20 I installed the kp for overclock and script Nov 04 11:45:04 and for user... because I wanted to use my minimouse but does not work Nov 04 11:50:37 DocScrutinizer05, inactivity without charger I mean Nov 04 11:54:02 oh DocScrutinizer05 wa mplayer in background Nov 04 13:16:00 hello DocScrutinizer05 Nov 04 13:16:04 urgent Nov 04 13:16:14 my battery is crazy Nov 04 13:16:32 it showa that can't go ahead Nov 04 13:16:40 but it does instead Nov 04 13:17:07 and idk how to see statua battery in terminal Nov 04 13:17:31 maybe it's right low level battery Nov 04 13:17:53 but as I put the charger it does not charge Nov 04 13:17:58 so it seems Nov 04 13:20:35 your system is kinda messed up Nov 04 13:20:48 idk Nov 04 13:21:00 but it runs well and fast Nov 04 13:21:32 you probably installed some battery-related or charging-related stuff that is broken by design and caused havok on the system Nov 04 13:22:01 yes Nov 04 13:22:07 battery patch Nov 04 13:22:14 OMG!!!! Nov 04 13:22:20 ~batterypatch Nov 04 13:22:20 so? Nov 04 13:22:20 [speedpatch] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] Nov 04 13:22:33 lol Nov 04 13:22:37 so? Nov 04 13:22:43 reflash Nov 04 13:22:49 oh no Nov 04 13:23:30 it's unclear what nasty stuff those crappatches do to system, but it's a lot and not really uninstalls cleanly for all I know Nov 04 13:23:41 ~crappatch Nov 04 13:23:42 rumour has it, speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] Nov 04 13:24:02 ~jrtolls Nov 04 13:24:06 ~jrtools Nov 04 13:24:07 jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 04 13:24:30 I got bitten by that patch too. It overclocked me without me knowing it. I didn't discover that for weeks. Nov 04 13:24:47 anyway it is all fine less that it does not show much time is left for battery level Nov 04 13:24:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#AFTER_FLASHING Nov 04 13:25:01 it seems charged battery Nov 04 13:25:10 I am still chatting Nov 04 13:25:46 KenYoung, exactly all my n900 is super overclocked Nov 04 13:26:03 idk but i dont reflash Nov 04 13:26:49 anyway DocScrutinizer05 what's the best app for remote control? Nov 04 13:27:19 hm? Nov 04 13:32:21 cool DocScrutinizer05 the solution is bnf Nov 04 13:32:34 hmm? Nov 04 13:32:36 it shows the right way battery is Nov 04 13:32:44 hah Nov 04 13:32:55 ~bq27k Nov 04 13:33:03 ~bq27000 Nov 04 13:33:06 dang Nov 04 13:33:14 ~listkeys bq Nov 04 13:33:15 Factoid search of 'bq' by key (20 of 39): airport abq ;; airport bqn ;; bbq ;; bq-calibrate ;; bq27k-calibration ;; bq27k-detail ;; bqs ;; cbq ;; cbq.init ;; gbbq ;; gnu/linux bbq project ;; gnubbq ;; html ;; html ;; html ;; jargon bqs ;; jbq ;; jobqueue ;; jobqueue  ;; kbquery. Nov 04 13:33:33 ~bq27k-detail Nov 04 13:33:33 i guess bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 Nov 04 13:33:48 but bnf is ok, approved by me Nov 04 13:34:00 yep Nov 04 13:34:19 it says it charging and good level Nov 04 13:34:27 anyway it will not cure the damage done by those idiotpatches Nov 04 13:34:59 i know Nov 04 13:35:11 I am trying other patches Nov 04 13:36:08 you shouldn't try *any* 2patches" Nov 04 13:36:40 basically there is nothing to patch in maemo - it's simply perfect :-P Nov 04 13:37:07 if there's nevertheless something that needs patching, then you find the "patches" for that in CSSU Nov 04 13:43:26 dude DocScrutinizer05 the guide says to purge Nov 04 13:43:46 huh? Nov 04 13:44:12 sorry you're speaking in riddles Nov 04 13:44:58 so don't trust the guide, he's an alien Nov 04 13:45:21 and actually a she Nov 04 13:45:50 lol Nov 04 13:46:07 I reboot to see if fixed Nov 04 14:41:40 DocScrutinizer05, you were fucking right about CSSU Nov 04 14:42:14 now I removed the battery applet at all remains bnf only Nov 04 14:42:32 how to remove remaining config Nov 04 14:42:39 purge maybe? Nov 04 14:43:18 wow bnf says double minutes of battery life after CSSU OS update and reboot Nov 04 14:43:23 awsome fuck Nov 04 14:45:52 Anybody watching out for the Nov 5 2013 event by anonymous? http://www.zeemaps.com/view?group=654291&x=-4.000000&y=40.000000&z=15 Nov 04 14:46:15 nope Nov 04 14:46:21 let's see Nov 04 14:46:23 not in particular Nov 04 14:46:25 might get drunk Nov 04 14:48:09 what's the anon purpose now in this coming date? Nov 04 14:49:10 well, I wonder if that may have an impact on our project. Nov 04 14:49:13 just kidding Nov 04 14:50:11 SAiF, that's I am asking too Nov 04 14:50:29 so what their purpose this time Nov 04 14:50:32 now it says "Let's produce more than 1 000 devices!", what does that mean? :) Nov 04 14:50:58 idk Nov 04 14:52:02 NO anon will get in our way. dont bother. Nov 04 14:52:29 lol why not Nov 04 14:52:30 it would be great if it explained that part, like "spread the word" or "donate more". Nov 04 14:52:59 Sysaxed that means to keep the fundraiser on and to collect max funds so that the productiion cost can be reduced Nov 04 14:53:47 SAiF: hmm, okay, then maybe they should set another goal? :) Nov 04 14:54:14 Sysaxed: Yes, to have 1000+ preorders ;) Nov 04 14:54:50 ah, okay. :) Nov 04 14:55:37 I never thought, It would get to 25k that easily. Nov 04 14:55:50 can be more clair? I dont get the goal Nov 04 14:55:55 It was kind of slow at the first quarter. Nov 04 15:19:33 sixwheeledbeast, on linux you can run multiple instances of a certain kind of video software, is it possible to display different videos to different tvs using one hardware device with linux? Nov 04 15:23:14 oh yeah DocScrutinizer05 is hackfixed now removing its default applet for widget and bnf Nov 04 15:23:37 sorry I still don't get your riddles Nov 04 15:23:41 it says the right level now Nov 04 15:23:57 grammoboy: multiple displays.... from one graphicscard... sure why not? Nov 04 15:24:01 riddles I ignore the meaning sorry Nov 04 15:24:07 oh no, not this place Nov 04 15:24:12 lol Nov 04 15:24:27 of course grammoboy Nov 04 15:24:32 TSSS what a cameo Nov 04 15:24:41 that's pretty possible Nov 04 15:25:04 I'm thinking about old TVs as dislplays Nov 04 15:25:37 ye Nov 04 15:25:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameo_appearance Nov 04 15:25:43 grammoboy: there is no difference Nov 04 15:25:55 right no difference Nov 04 15:26:04 configure multihead Nov 04 15:27:24 ok thx you hackers Nov 04 15:28:04 grammoboy: the keywords you are looking for depending on how old your graphics drivers are, are xinerama|multihead|randr - "old" TVs will depend on the outputs available on your card and the amount of signal converters you have Nov 04 15:28:50 probably one output Nov 04 15:28:53 good old scart is nothing else than composite video Nov 04 15:29:00 I don't feel like hacker Nov 04 15:29:08 but I was thinking about something like this http://www.amazon.co.uk/SLx-27820R-Aerial-Distribution-Amplifier/dp/B0014DDOF0 Nov 04 15:29:42 distribute signal from videocard to multiple tvs via such a distribution amp Nov 04 15:29:58 but I don't want the same video on all tvs Nov 04 15:30:03 same video in all TVS, v? Nov 04 15:30:07 ?/? Nov 04 15:30:47 then you will need more than one output ports Nov 04 15:31:01 hm so there is a problem Nov 04 15:31:13 grammoboy: I have one of those http://www.amazon.co.uk/KanaaN-Composite-Converter-SHIPPING-DELIVERY/dp/B003U0PHC8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1383579027&sr=1-1&keywords=vga+converter+to+scart Nov 04 15:31:31 or similar Nov 04 15:32:18 I see, thx Nov 04 15:32:22 I convert to vga, this one converts from vga Nov 04 15:32:56 but according to SAiF multiple videos are problematic Nov 04 15:33:10 hmm? Nov 04 15:33:33 how ould they be problematic unless your CPU's maxed out? Nov 04 15:33:39 grammoboy: each TV will need one output from your computer Nov 04 15:33:40 would* Nov 04 15:33:47 yep Nov 04 15:34:24 a normal computer has one or two outputs right? Nov 04 15:34:24 and you can use graphics cards with multiple outputs, or multiple GraCa, or even both Nov 04 15:34:51 If you have a new pc it would have more than one output without graphic card Nov 04 15:35:02 a "normal" comouter has one output, possibly with 2 different connector formfactors Nov 04 15:35:07 and as Doc said Nov 04 15:35:47 grammoboy: I have like 4 or something Nov 04 15:35:52 some high end "normal" computers have 2 outputs that can drive independant signals Nov 04 15:35:53 right, so displaying 4 different videos on 4 different tvs, then you need 4 outputs Nov 04 15:35:53 on one card Nov 04 15:36:25 I use both graphic and onboard VGA, and I have a DVI and HDMI left on graphiccad Nov 04 15:36:55 yes sure.. Nov 04 15:36:55 cssu is awesome Nov 04 15:37:12 best option is to get any flux edition cards.. Nov 04 15:37:17 *flex Nov 04 15:37:58 or new nvidia cards support 4 displays by default Nov 04 15:38:22 or buy 4 Rpi's ... Nov 04 15:38:45 I hoped I needed one for this Nov 04 15:39:44 lol Nov 04 15:41:08 what is funny about that Nov 04 15:42:31 idk Nov 04 15:43:44 grammoboy: that is like 100P a card with 4 outputs is like 40P Nov 04 15:44:45 I will think about this further Nov 04 15:45:02 thanks for your expertise Nov 04 15:45:35 P? Nov 04 15:45:54 `pounds Nov 04 15:46:05 ooh Nov 04 15:46:07 GBP Nov 04 15:46:24 not pennies Nov 04 15:47:01 quite unusual currency Nov 04 15:47:27 germany not in Euro? Nov 04 15:47:32 why? Nov 04 15:47:42 eh? Nov 04 15:48:01 its europe? Nov 04 15:48:10 yeah, I as well wondered why he didn't use EUR Nov 04 15:48:12 germany/. Nov 04 15:48:15 ? Nov 04 15:48:46 question mark? Nov 04 15:48:56 EUR.. right. I m from the other side.. lol Nov 04 15:49:36 does aircrack really work? Nov 04 15:49:47 so yes, we're using EUR in almost all of Europe Nov 04 15:50:00 DocScrutinizer05: SAiF somehow tseems to think that GBP is in germany Nov 04 15:50:07 That is why I am confused. Nov 04 15:50:13 practically only work for WEP from n900. Nov 04 15:50:30 then what is GBP? Nov 04 15:50:40 Wizzup: weird, given it's Great Britain Pounds Nov 04 15:50:57 well LOL.. Nov 04 15:52:36 DocScrutinizer05: my point exactly :) Nov 04 15:52:36 I somehow thought G = Germany. :) Nov 04 15:57:51 SAiF: great britain pound = GBP = pound sterling Nov 04 15:58:28 and I replied in GBP as his link was amazon.co.uk Nov 04 15:59:13 GBP = pounds sterling - GBP is ISO abbrv. term Nov 04 15:59:40 So Britain is not using EUR right? Nov 04 15:59:43 grammoboy: how you getting on? I am reading backscroll.... Nov 04 16:00:04 and atleast can i think that all other european countries use EUR? Nov 04 16:00:38 And no Britain doesn't want the EUR as the GBP is much stronger :) Nov 04 16:01:21 thanks for the info.. Nov 04 16:01:55 sixwheeledbeast: stronger? lol :) Nov 04 16:02:01 SAiF: there is a difference between euro-zone, EU and Europe... Nov 04 16:02:02 oh well Nov 04 16:02:45 sixwheeledbeast: no they believe their economy will crash if taking € Nov 04 16:02:59 oops, look like I have to study on that topic chem|st Nov 04 16:04:13 It is. Plus it is used throughout the British commonwealth which don't all lie in europe. Nov 04 16:05:51 ~change 1 GBP to EUR Nov 04 16:05:54 Don't know about "1" as a currency Nov 04 16:06:04 err? Nov 04 16:06:28 ~change 1£ to € Nov 04 16:06:30 that doesn't look right Nov 04 16:06:37 SAiF: EU is the former "European-Communities" {economic (EEC) + atomic (Euratom) + coal and steel (ECSC)} Nov 04 16:06:46 ~change GBP to EUR Nov 04 16:06:47 that doesn't look right Nov 04 16:06:53 ~change 1GBP to EUR Nov 04 16:06:54 that doesn't look right Nov 04 16:07:11 ~stupid Nov 04 16:07:11 [stupid] http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif Nov 04 16:07:35 HAHA.. Nov 04 16:08:13 EU is growing from time to time so is the EuroZone, but they do not match Nov 04 16:09:27 It seems infobots change feature is borked? Nov 04 16:09:33 some baltic countries + norway & island are still not in the EU Nov 04 16:10:08 ~convert 1 GBP to USD Nov 04 16:10:10 1 GBP is approximately 2.0157 USD Nov 04 16:11:25 change is a command to change factoids Nov 04 16:11:25 ~convert 1 BTC to EUR Nov 04 16:11:27 1 BTC cannot be converted to EUR: Unknown unit 'BTC' Nov 04 16:11:41 DocScrutinizer05: thanks! Nov 04 16:11:58 so eurozone < EU (eurozone+ Britain + Denmark) < Europe (EU +baltic countries + norway) Nov 04 16:12:20 kinda Nov 04 16:12:49 thats enough for me. Nov 04 16:13:02 more than enough Nov 04 16:13:29 ~convert 1 EUR to RS Nov 04 16:13:30 1 EUR cannot be converted to RS: Unknown unit 'RS' Nov 04 16:14:07 ~convert 1 EUR to INR Nov 04 16:14:08 1 EUR is approximately 55.9082 INR Nov 04 16:14:31 ~liar Nov 04 16:14:32 liar is probably me Nov 04 16:14:40 yes right. Nov 04 16:14:52 its 83.39 Nov 04 16:18:11 ~convert 1 EUR to USD Nov 04 16:18:13 1 EUR is approximately 1.4128 USD Nov 04 16:18:52 >>>http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88888&goto=newpost Nov 04 16:18:54 Here is the message that has just been posted: Nov 04 16:18:55 main phone unless a new, advanced version of the n900 is available (not neo900 cz i cant find it)<<< Nov 04 16:18:58 WTF?! Nov 04 16:19:34 I can't believe 1GBP is 2USD more like 1.60USD how up to date is convert? Nov 04 16:19:39 well, we is probably looking on amazon. Nov 04 16:19:53 let me ask mine Nov 04 16:20:44 1.6 Nov 04 16:21:49 ~convert 1 GBP to USD Nov 04 16:21:51 1 GBP is approximately 2.0157 USD Nov 04 16:24:41 My mediaplayer started automatically last night. Does this ever happened to anyone else? Nov 04 16:28:17 no Nov 04 16:28:47 sixwheeledbeast: no idea Nov 04 16:29:42 sixwheeledbeast: check the source, Luke! Nov 04 16:29:47 ;-) Nov 04 16:30:40 I used the widget to play and pause couple of times, just for fun. Then After two hours idle time, that last song started playing automatically. Nov 04 16:31:15 Lucky that I was not in college. Nov 04 16:37:45 hey DocScrutinizer05 is the charger a bit weird or it is so that it works? I mean I plug the charger and it does not charge anymore and says to me to unplug for consume stuff Nov 04 16:38:41 SAiF: was it you who got that defect digitizer? Nov 04 16:38:53 yes.. Nov 04 16:39:09 why? Nov 04 16:39:11 then please stop reporting nonsense until your difitizer is fixed! Nov 04 16:39:14 I am not kidding or riddling Nov 04 16:39:39 well, you think its digitizer error? Nov 04 16:39:45 obviously Nov 04 16:40:14 how else would mediaplayer start playing the song? Nov 04 16:40:32 i couldnt think of anything plausible.. that would at least be reasonably likely Nov 04 16:40:52 well now works fine bye Nov 04 16:40:59 also, i finally have to make my donation tonight.. Nov 04 16:41:19 i just saw you already exceede the goal Nov 04 16:41:25 great! Nov 04 16:42:58 hmm. may be right Doc, but I never felt it has any problem Nov 04 16:43:44 the riddler as left? SAiF it can only really be the digitizer Nov 04 16:44:38 Well, No probs. Nov 04 16:47:33 I was playing with a 5800 yesterday with a broken digitizer very intermittent fault. Works ok for a while and then it goes mad. Nov 04 16:48:38 After I replaced with this (not original) one, I never felt an issue. This was the first time. Nov 04 16:48:50 I guess it is becoming abd Nov 04 16:48:56 *bad Nov 04 16:51:20 I am thinking it's better to get a "genuine" one for ~11GBP then a non-branded for ~3GBP Nov 04 16:55:31 seeing the price , it looks like I have original one.it cost me around ~12 GBP to get it replaced Nov 04 16:55:38 but I know its fake Nov 04 16:55:55 did you replace yourself? Nov 04 16:55:59 nope Nov 04 16:56:15 if not I would expect most of that is labour Nov 04 16:56:27 hmm :( Nov 04 16:57:04 I was on about 5800 for prices above BTW Nov 04 16:57:36 I could have done that easily but, I thought like If he mess it up, I can blame him. :) Nov 04 16:57:42 infobot Nov 04 16:57:50 next time. I will do my self Nov 04 16:59:28 If he mess it up you won't get another N900 easily anyway. I am a do it myself if I can person tho. Nov 04 17:03:12 hm Nov 04 17:24:56 DocScrutinizer05: it seems the source says ~exchange is for currency but can't work out format, it grabs them live from xe.com. ~convert is for units. Nov 04 17:25:08 ~convert 1 FLOZ to ML Nov 04 17:25:10 1 FLOZ cannot be converted to ML: Unknown unit 'FLOZ' Nov 04 17:25:49 ~convert 1 floz to ml Nov 04 17:25:50 1 floz is approximately 29.5735 ml Nov 04 17:25:54 :) Nov 04 17:26:01 qalc backend? Nov 04 17:26:18 infobot: 1 + 1 Nov 04 17:26:18 3 Nov 04 17:26:36 infobot: 1 ohm * 2 A Nov 04 17:26:53 :) well 1 + 1 is 3 Nov 04 17:27:13 yeah fail Nov 04 17:27:19 in binary Nov 04 17:27:25 > 1 ohm * 2 A to volt Nov 04 17:27:25 1 * ohm * 2 * ampere = 2 V Nov 04 17:27:36 <3 qalc Nov 04 17:29:27 > 10!^10! Nov 04 17:29:27 Calculating (press Enter to abort). Nov 04 17:29:27 Processing (press Enter to abort)....... Nov 04 17:29:33 still spinning :D Nov 04 17:32:13 gudnite (UGT) Nov 04 17:32:53 1 plus 1 Nov 04 17:33:07 ~math 1 plus 1 Nov 04 17:33:13 mmm Nov 04 17:33:49 ~1 plus 1 Nov 04 17:33:49 2 Nov 04 17:33:52 :) Nov 04 17:34:13 ~23 squared Nov 04 17:34:13 529 Nov 04 17:34:46 ~66 div 2 Nov 04 17:34:47 33 Nov 04 17:34:58 cehteh: ^^ :) Nov 04 17:35:13 .. still spinning :( Nov 04 17:39:22 "Now the Neo900 has a keyboard and i will not buy it because of that." lol? Nov 04 17:40:39 is that from /. ? Nov 04 17:40:54 maemo forums Nov 04 17:41:04 :facepalm: Nov 04 17:41:05 the now 113 neo900 post Nov 04 17:45:13 ~convert 100 tempC to tempF Nov 04 17:45:14 tempC(100) is approximately 212 tempF Nov 04 17:45:18 mmm Nov 04 17:46:48 does anyone know how 3d performance will change with n900 -> neo900? would also be a interesting point on the Specs site Nov 04 17:47:22 you guess we will get a 3d driver? Nov 04 17:47:48 with powervr? ;-) Nov 04 17:47:57 ~convert 0 tempK to tempC Nov 04 17:47:58 tempK(0) is approximately -273.15 tempC Nov 04 17:48:08 ~1+1 Nov 04 17:48:08 methinks 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1 Nov 04 17:48:15 WTF? Nov 04 17:48:18 lol Nov 04 17:48:19 lol Nov 04 17:48:21 ~1+7 Nov 04 17:48:21 8 Nov 04 17:48:23 That member signed up today to say he didn't want a Neo9 due to keyboard WTF. Nov 04 17:48:39 doc source says use plus not + Nov 04 17:48:51 Defiant: I don't know, I only read that there will be no _free_ driver Nov 04 17:49:11 plus minus div and times are in math.pl Nov 04 17:49:12 ~2^8 Nov 04 17:49:12 10 Nov 04 17:49:18 ~2**8 Nov 04 17:49:18 256 Nov 04 17:49:46 ~5! Nov 04 17:49:46 i heard 5! is 120 Nov 04 17:49:54 ~55! Nov 04 17:49:54 i heard 55! is 12,696,403,353,658,275,925,965,100,847,566,516,959,580,321,051,449,436,762,275,840,000,000,000,000 Nov 04 17:50:35 ~log(10) Nov 04 17:50:43 ~ln(10) Nov 04 17:50:52 ~ln 10 Nov 04 17:51:03 ~1/0 Nov 04 17:51:10 :( Nov 04 17:51:24 ~10+Pi Nov 04 17:51:34 ~10 + Pi Nov 04 17:51:46 ~10 + pi Nov 04 17:51:46 13.14159265 Nov 04 17:52:46 ~10^10 Nov 04 17:52:55 ~10**10 Nov 04 17:52:55 10000000000 Nov 04 17:53:00 ~10!**10! Nov 04 17:53:11 :> Nov 04 17:53:47 ~timout? Nov 04 17:56:40 ~10 add pi Nov 04 17:57:42 ~10 plus pi Nov 04 17:57:42 13.14159265 Nov 04 17:59:28 That's been it now? Nov 04 18:00:43 ~pi pi Nov 04 18:01:18 ~botsnack Nov 04 18:01:19 :), sixwheeledbeast Nov 04 18:01:37 ... https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1452486_790049244357864_1042772959_n.jpg take that infobot Nov 04 18:03:11 ~shoot cehteh Nov 04 18:03:12 * infobot shoots cehteh in the eye with a spitwad! Nov 04 18:03:26 mean bot Nov 04 18:04:52 FOSS GSM stack illegal? Nov 04 18:05:24 depends where and what circumstances Nov 04 18:05:57 iirc here in germany you can run a FOSS basestation officially if you do some paperwork Nov 04 18:06:17 I was thinking it would depend on country Nov 04 18:07:48 cehteh: according to some rumours you shouldn't run one. Else you risk to damage every phone in your proximity Nov 04 18:08:08 huh? Nov 04 18:08:41 the eventphone ppl iirc did that officially and similar on some CCC events Nov 04 18:08:55 dunno ask ppl who are more involved with this Nov 04 18:09:15 cehteh: I know. And on the route to that they had quite some fun. Nov 04 18:10:24 cehteh: Like they turned it one with their own network name. Since it was the strongest network all phones nearby connected to that one. Nov 04 18:11:54 Of course they showed the new network name on the display. Problem is...they triggered a bug with the phones where from that point on the phones always were showing this network name Nov 04 18:28:30 So that's a device issue not a network issue. Nov 04 18:38:06 both, they are afraid that you damage their networks with an open source stack. Nov 04 19:38:02 hello I would have the keyboard shortcuts Nov 04 19:38:15 but it says broken repo Nov 04 19:40:33 zamn900: what? paste the error message somewhere Nov 04 19:41:31 one moment wait I am giving last try using the HAM Nov 04 19:45:43 lexik, it says missing package : modified-hildon-desktop Nov 04 19:46:13 o.O Nov 04 19:46:18 get CSSU! Nov 04 19:46:29 I got Nov 04 19:46:48 it's awesome... but is it useful for what else Nov 04 19:46:56 then forget that shit, whatever it is. CSSU *has* 'modified HD' Nov 04 19:47:04 ok Nov 04 19:47:14 where Nov 04 19:47:23 how can I change shortcuts Nov 04 19:47:25 have them Nov 04 19:47:35 ~jrtools Nov 04 19:47:35 [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 04 19:48:16 ## OBSOLETE with CSSU, so now commented out #o# ##### Nov 04 19:48:17 # fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug Nov 04 19:48:19 ## new: with ctrl-BS for nice taskswitching, see Nov 04 19:48:20 ## http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html Nov 04 19:52:54 cehteh: eventphone works with a licence, on approved hw Nov 04 19:57:44 DocScrutinizer05, I don't find shortcuts Nov 04 19:57:58 I must install some for it Nov 04 20:03:36 installing whatever you tried to install will ruin your system, since installing MHD will. I told you to forget that piece of software whatever it is Nov 04 20:04:04 DocScrutinizer05: yes but the software is a FOSS stack or? Nov 04 20:04:20 partially yes Nov 04 20:04:36 but on the BTS Nov 04 20:05:27 dialer is also FOSS (well actually it would be nice if it was) and still it's not relevant for the cert status of the phone Nov 04 20:06:34 the cert for the BTS transmitter is a different one than the cert for your phone radio chipset Nov 04 20:07:27 and when you change or modify the phone modem's firmware, the cert is moot and thus the TX is illegal to operate Nov 04 20:08:06 I don't see how osmocom running a local BTS with a temporary licence is related to this topic Nov 04 20:10:10 the modem must get calibrated to comply with the specs required by the network. A BTS doesn't need any calibration since it IS the network Nov 04 21:15:30 DocScrutinizer05, how come the line-in and irDA is "√" on the minimal neo900 but "X" on the optimal? Nov 04 21:16:09 because I don't even know how to type √ Nov 04 21:16:37 iow everything other than "-" and " " means "check" Nov 04 21:16:51 no matter if "x" or "√" Nov 04 21:17:05 ok Nov 04 21:18:05 since a few hours ago some user asked similar question, Nikolaus probably changed all "x" to "√" and missed a few Nov 04 21:18:55 any thought about how complex NFC you could use in the optimal? would it be Proxmark compatible? Nov 04 21:19:14 I was looking on an old download so it could be fixed alredy Nov 04 21:20:40 nope still in the version online :) Nov 04 21:30:34 NFC is pretty fuzzy specified for Neo900 yet Nov 04 21:31:11 and I have to admit I'm no expert for NFC since I never seen it in real life Nov 04 21:31:24 Germany is basically a NFC-free zone Nov 04 21:32:10 wow. so you don't have any of the stupid public transport rfid card stuff? Nov 04 21:32:18 nope Nov 04 21:32:41 at least I haven't seen any yet Nov 04 21:34:06 nice. we have a system in my city (in Sweden) that is realy stupidly imlimented Nov 04 21:34:24 I tried to make my N9 show some life with any of the access control (key) systems I found at several offices, but it seems this type of NFC is different to what N9 supports. Which also tells about the real problem with NFC: Nov 04 21:34:31 it's not standardized Nov 04 21:35:19 yeah. in the end it is 2(or 3) frequency standards then the data stuff is a mess. Nov 04 21:35:24 or at least there's no commonly accepted dominating standard yet, rather a half a dozen or more different incompatible ones Nov 04 21:36:45 yeah. I am checking but I think I have seen some open hardware/software devices for it that can handele most different implementins Nov 04 21:37:04 so it's more like NFC<=>wireless network rather than NFC<=>WLAN_802.11 Nov 04 21:38:10 to me it's largely unclear WHICH flavor of NFC was usefull to integrate into Neo900 Nov 04 21:38:37 if <=> is more or less. then yeah. and in the end some of the problem is that NFC is just one smal part of RFID Nov 04 21:39:04 <=> is "equivalent (meaning) to" Nov 04 21:39:23 ok Nov 04 21:39:54 well, DFID seems even a sharper more narrow definition than NFC Nov 04 21:39:58 RFID* Nov 04 21:40:28 for RFID there seem to be "only" two or three popular standards Nov 04 21:41:59 but it seems in other countries there are some RFID systems that support e.g. N9 as wel as other similar mobile devices with "NFC" Nov 04 21:42:01 in my understanding NFC is a broad implementation of RFID. but with the usial everyone desiding that they want to do thear own thing and messing stuff up Nov 04 21:43:16 I had the opertunity to check the NFC on the N9 but on android it exist several apps to read and write RFID/NFC but it is ofthen hit or miss on what app work on what card Nov 04 21:43:43 and even worse it seem that now some credit cards come with NFC so you don't even need to pull them out of your pocket Nov 04 21:44:49 then the next question: what shall your integrated NFC actually do? shall it act like a tag or like a reader? Nov 04 21:45:07 yeah you can scan them from about 1-2m with simple hardware (50-100with complex) and from the american cridit cards you get all info. Nov 04 21:45:30 reader/emulator is what I would prefer Nov 04 21:47:07 this is with schamatics http://www.openpcd.org/OpenPICC_SnifferOnly_13.56MHz Nov 04 21:48:40 and this is a intresting talk about the security of RFID and prsentation of that one of the creator (A Dutch security researcher) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO6zFpgtLj8 Nov 04 21:49:39 they might even be able to help to design a implementation for the neo900 Nov 04 21:50:17 lemme put it this way: for Neo900 we would use a WLAN module that comes with NFC and we support whatever that is in the end Nov 04 21:52:08 ok. would be nice to have that security testing hardware on an mobile device Nov 04 21:53:28 I just remembered your EU passport should have RFID but that is encypted with the passport nr and the expiration date but if you have that you can extract all data from it even the picture and fingerprint Nov 04 21:54:45 DocScrutinizer05: don't you have the silly pay via nfc system in a few supermarkets over there? Nov 04 21:57:12 my dream mobile device would include both 120-150khz, 13.56mhz and 433mhz rfid with full functions Nov 04 21:58:17 then you'd copy all your id cards and leave them at home Nov 04 21:58:27 untill you suddenly have no batter and are fucked :D Nov 04 21:58:39 *battery* Nov 04 21:58:44 merlin1991, we are just giting that in Sweden. (the banks do commercials about it but i havent seen it irl) Nov 04 21:58:49 getting* Nov 04 21:59:21 yeah but you don't need to carry 10+ stupid cards and tags Nov 04 21:59:34 my newest credit cards is "nfc enabled", the slogan is "pay up to 25€ without even using your pin" Nov 04 21:59:53 yeah sure, nice now every drive by haxx0r in the tram can copy my card and do his shopping for free Nov 04 22:00:23 the problem is that most 13.56 is encrypted so you need to brake it befor you can emulate it unless you do an active emulation Nov 04 22:02:22 they implemented a system like that in one (Indonesian? general area) city that did have cards that you could load with money but it dident check if the card balance was corect when you used it so you could add more money anytime you wanted for free Nov 04 22:05:51 if they use the same implimentation as the american rfid card they can shop for unlimited amounts online with that information Nov 04 22:06:51 the talk about the payment system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSYcTl0B7MY it was Taiwan not Indonesia Nov 04 22:16:23 looks like the german ID cards includes RFID and that some german retailers have begun using RFID Nov 04 22:23:37 Agge: many thanks for that hint! I actually first time made N9 do some NFC - with my passport :-) Nov 04 22:24:16 merlin1991: never seen any such thing yet Nov 04 22:24:23 nice. do it have the decryption programs? Nov 04 22:24:32 nah, emty tag Nov 04 22:24:35 empty Nov 04 22:24:58 I remember people unlocking Angry Birds levels with passports on the N9 Nov 04 22:25:11 did it say writable or read only? Nov 04 22:25:48 yeah you can often bind finctions to the tag id :) Nov 04 22:34:26 It'd be great if you could integrate a tiny microwave in the Neo900 to fry RFID chips in passports, etc >:( Nov 04 22:34:55 what would be the max size that could be used for an inductive charging antenna? I have seen devices with antennas that is less then 4*2,5cm Nov 04 22:35:07 you might be able to use that kolp ^ Nov 04 22:35:41 kolp: problem there is that usually leaves scorch marks Nov 04 22:35:54 too bad the N9 doesn't do NFC emulation. Nov 04 22:36:19 min size you mean, Agge? My palm pre's seems to be about 3,5x3,5 Nov 04 22:36:23 cm Nov 04 22:36:33 thanks for the idea I need to test if an induction charge pad can fry rfid chips :) Nov 04 22:36:34 lots of newer hotels use RFID in that band, you can sniff and replay the UID. Nov 04 22:37:12 kolp, I was thinking about part 15 in the neo900 feasibility document Nov 04 22:38:23 the antenna size is probably the same just an other about the same in the end Nov 04 22:39:41 just an other coiling of the wire* Nov 04 22:39:59 no, it won't. But a piezo spark of a lighter will kill all kinds of chips relatively reliable and without scortching Nov 04 23:22:31 or you use hard x-ray Nov 04 23:23:05 very effective to erase eeproms/flash Nov 04 23:23:11 Fine with me as long as you can build it into the neo900 ;) Nov 04 23:23:47 or a HERF gun :) http://laserpointerforums.com/f42/emp-herf-marx-generator-49237.html Nov 04 23:23:51 why would you want such a rough tool in a delicate device like Neo900? Nov 04 23:24:51 True. I'd be happy with pads to connect the inductive charging coil Nov 04 23:25:10 Which was part of the original topic, iirc Nov 04 23:52:29 I remember an X-Ray app in one of the coding competitions :) Nov 04 23:53:42 M4rtinK, you know that you can make hardware changes to some cameras to make them work for infra red? Nov 04 23:54:01 Agge: yep, just dump the infra filter Nov 04 23:54:16 Agge: well, they kinda already see in infrared Nov 04 23:54:36 Agge: the can see the light from infra remotes Nov 04 23:54:50 but xray is on the other side of the visible spectrum Nov 04 23:55:03 yeah but you ofthen need to add a visible light filter (exposed analoge film works) Nov 04 23:55:25 Agge: and at least for the N900 camera, glowing charcoal looks like cryptonite :D Nov 04 23:55:51 Agge: yeah, can be a nice experiment Nov 04 23:55:55 analogue film pick up xrays but you need a sorce of xrays to do anyting usefull for it Nov 04 23:56:05 nice have to test that Nov 04 23:56:23 but IIRC to get a real thermo camera, you need cooling & different ccd ? Nov 04 23:56:57 Yup, you need mid-IR for that, not near-IR. Nov 04 23:57:00 but still, for night vision with an infra flashlight it could be nice :) Nov 04 23:57:51 to get higt resulution ir iirc yeah but low res is probibly simpler then regular camera chiops **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 05 00:58:43 2013 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 05 02:59:58 2013