**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 07 02:59:58 2013
Nov 07 09:07:59 <zamn900> hi all 
Nov 07 09:08:23 <zamn900> is a microsd of 2gb enough for nitdroid?
Nov 07 09:10:57 <zamn900> hey anyway my camera is black 
Nov 07 09:16:11 <zamn900> I never tried bless after last reflah
Nov 07 09:19:54 * DocScrutinizer05 waves
Nov 07 09:20:21 * DocScrutinizer05 stops searching for deatils about cam drivers
Nov 07 09:20:29 <DocScrutinizer05> details, even
Nov 07 10:03:55 <zamn900> alright I ve solved my problem removing and reinstalling all programs conflicting with the new cssu camera-ui...
Nov 07 10:04:36 <zamn900> anyway I want shortcut keybuttons customizables and I don't find any app for that
Nov 07 10:08:40 <zamn900> please all is just missing but would be very awesome is the shortcut key customizable
Nov 07 11:26:34 <zamn900> hi all again
Nov 07 11:27:02 <zamn900> how to have automatic clock update?
Nov 07 11:27:25 <zamn900> shall I set it by myself all the times I switch battery?
Nov 07 11:27:46 <jaska> hmm, mine updates on reboot
Nov 07 11:28:16 <jaska> settings -> date and time -> update automatically
Nov 07 11:28:40 <jaska> think it pulls the time off the gsm network
Nov 07 11:28:46 <jaska> as i have no ntp setup on it
Nov 07 11:53:36 <zamn900> apt-get install ntp no candidate?
Nov 07 11:54:59 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: how do I use gnokii on the n900?
Nov 07 11:55:04 <jon_y> which port?
Nov 07 11:55:49 <DocScrutinizer05> err, via pnatd
Nov 07 11:56:08 <DocScrutinizer05> pnatd creates a virtual tty in your console
Nov 07 11:56:26 <jon_y> ok, so I need to have pnatd running in another console first?
Nov 07 11:56:35 <DocScrutinizer05> probably
Nov 07 11:57:03 <DocScrutinizer05> or do sth like    gnokii <(pnatd)
Nov 07 11:57:18 <jon_y> hmm, pnatd doesn't seem to do anything
Nov 07 11:57:21 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry i'm busy. No time to work out the details
Nov 07 11:57:26 <jon_y> ok
Nov 07 11:57:35 <DocScrutinizer05> xterm
Nov 07 11:57:38 <DocScrutinizer05> pnatd
Nov 07 11:57:41 <DocScrutinizer05> AT
Nov 07 11:57:43 <zamn900> DocScrutinizer05, good job
Nov 07 11:57:44 <DocScrutinizer05> >OK
Nov 07 11:57:51 <zamn900> go ahead to work
Nov 07 11:58:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ATFOO
Nov 07 11:58:21 <DocScrutinizer05> >ERROR
Nov 07 11:58:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ATI
Nov 07 11:58:52 <DocScrutinizer05> even
Nov 07 11:59:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ATD004991130838545
Nov 07 11:59:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ATH
Nov 07 11:59:56 <jon_y> hmm
Nov 07 12:00:06 <jon_y> I see
Nov 07 12:02:56 <DocScrutinizer05> also see pnatd -help
Nov 07 12:03:23 <DocScrutinizer05> you can tell pnatd which ptty to open/create iirc
Nov 07 12:12:45 <jon_y> hmm, does it matter if I use ttyS0?
Nov 07 12:12:50 <jon_y> it is already there
Nov 07 12:13:03 <jon_y> but gnokii still can't connect to it
Nov 07 12:16:49 <DocScrutinizer05> mmmpf, netsplit?
Nov 07 12:17:06 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, local connectivity issue it seems
Nov 07 12:41:29 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: got it to talk to pnatd somewhat
Nov 07 12:41:41 <jon_y> but ends with unknown error when trying to retrieve sms
Nov 07 12:42:15 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, toldya pnatd (or BB5 itself) probably doesn't support it
Nov 07 12:43:19 <DocScrutinizer05> the modem firmware is 'optimized' for the N900 so some functions common to other modems are not available in BB5 since userland/APE is supposed to take care of that task. Like SMS
Nov 07 12:43:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ~phonecontrol
Nov 07 12:43:58 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Nov 07 12:44:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ...has a few python and other programs to send and receive SMS, but _not_ to download SMs from SIM
Nov 07 12:48:49 <jon_y> :(
Nov 07 12:49:50 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: can the nokia phone suite retrieve sms?
Nov 07 12:50:35 <DocScrutinizer05> NFC, afaik it's a windows program, and windows is a virus that pretends to be an OS I heard. IOW I never used that
Nov 07 12:51:20 <jon_y> yeah, I need a semi smartphone to extract it, possibly
Nov 07 12:51:21 <DocScrutinizer05> very likely though it neither has access to SIMborne SMS
Nov 07 13:50:11 <LowMemory> hello maemo users
Nov 07 14:05:30 <zamn900> hello
Nov 07 14:06:44 <DocScrutinizer05> hi LowMemory! :-)
Nov 07 14:07:22 <LowMemory> DocScrutinizer05: hi DocScrutinizer05 :)
Nov 07 14:07:42 <LowMemory> so how do I get root account on servers ? :-D
Nov 07 14:08:09 <LowMemory> seriously: is there something like a weekly/monthly e-meeting ?
Nov 07 14:08:24 <DocScrutinizer05> LowMemory: we currently have no urgently pending tasks in exactly maemo maintenance, we however have long pending stuff like optimizing PHP scripts that use midgard function calls that leak memory
Nov 07 14:08:55 <LowMemory> okay, is code public ? (on gitorious, github or whatever ?)
Nov 07 14:09:19 <DocScrutinizer05> well, it's not exactly secret
Nov 07 14:09:31 <LowMemory> maybe a forge on a maemo server ?
Nov 07 14:09:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't know if and where it's hostend in some SVN, though I suspect it should be
Nov 07 14:09:56 <DocScrutinizer05> mompls
Nov 07 14:11:18 <LowMemory> I have setup a gitlab not long ago… We may use it (as soon as I talk my teammates and see how to keep other users data separated).
Nov 07 14:11:19 <DocScrutinizer05> you got an invitation
Nov 07 14:12:24 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry I'm too busy right ATM to do a proper introduction chat with you
Nov 07 14:12:37 <LowMemory> DocScrutinizer05: no problem, I'm busy too
Nov 07 14:13:12 <DocScrutinizer05> You got invited to our admin channel where others should be around that can explain a few internal sto you
Nov 07 14:41:46 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot RESURRECT!!
Nov 07 14:43:16 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Nov 07 14:43:33 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: that took a while!
Nov 07 14:43:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+status
Nov 07 14:43:45 <infobot> Since Thu Nov  7 14:41:35 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands.  I have been awake for 2m 10s this session, and currently reference 119186 factoids.  I'm using about 18376 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.66/0.11 child 0/0
Nov 07 14:44:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+uptime
Nov 07 14:44:05 <infobot> - Uptime for apt -
Nov 07 14:44:05 <infobot> Now: 2m 30s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Nov 07 14:44:07 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Nov 07 14:44:07 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Nov 07 14:44:07 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Nov 07 20:04:11 <felipec> is anybody using N900 usbnet on recent kernels?
Nov 07 20:08:40 <Pali> what do you mean by recent?
Nov 07 20:08:41 <Pali> 3.x?
Nov 07 20:09:23 <felipec> Pali: ~3.10
Nov 07 20:09:41 <felipec> Pali: but I mean 3.10 on the PC
Nov 07 20:10:12 <Pali> do you mean recent kernel with usb gadget on n900?
Nov 07 20:10:31 <Pali> or stock kernel on n900 and 3.10 on PC?
Nov 07 20:10:42 <Pali> or both 3.10 on n900 and PC?
Nov 07 20:11:08 <felipec> Pali: stock kernel on n900, ~3.10 on PC
Nov 07 20:11:14 <felipec> actually any kernel on n900
Nov 07 20:11:29 <Pali> ok, then I'm using usb networking in this way :-)
Nov 07 20:11:46 <felipec> Pali: it doesn't work for me =/
Nov 07 20:12:00 <Pali> felipec: do you see usb0 on PC?
Nov 07 20:12:01 <felipec> it works with the N9, not N900
Nov 07 20:12:09 <Pali> what is in dmesg?
Nov 07 20:12:09 <felipec> Pali: yeah
Nov 07 20:12:25 <Pali> so what not working?
Nov 07 20:12:26 <Pali> ping?
Nov 07 20:12:29 <Pali> link?
Nov 07 20:12:36 <Pali> assigning address?
Nov 07 20:12:40 <felipec> Pali: link is not working, then I force it, ping is not working
Nov 07 20:12:59 <Pali> link is not working --> this can be caused on n900 side
Nov 07 20:13:05 <Pali> check if you have link on n900
Nov 07 20:13:31 <Pali> try to run on n900: ifup usb0
Nov 07 20:13:33 <felipec> Pali: how do I do that?
Nov 07 20:13:41 <Pali> (as root)
Nov 07 20:13:42 <felipec> Pali: that works
Nov 07 20:13:58 <Pali> give me output of ifconfig usb0 (on n900)
Nov 07 20:15:02 <felipec> Pali: that would be tedious to copy by hand... the IP is there, it says UP, RX packets, no TX packets
Nov 07 20:15:52 <Pali> this is not enough, you need running
Nov 07 20:16:04 <felipec> Pali: also running
Nov 07 20:16:12 <felipec> I'm going to try 3.0
Nov 07 20:16:13 <felipec> btb
Nov 07 20:19:54 <felipec> hmm, I see a ton of errors in dmesg
Nov 07 20:19:57 <felipec> [   74.407052] ehci-pci 0000:00:1d.0: detected XactErr len 0/1514 retry 1
Nov 07 20:23:30 <Pali> HW problem?
Nov 07 20:23:53 <felipec> Pali: on the N900?
Nov 07 20:24:01 <felipec> could be
Nov 07 20:24:03 <Pali> maybe...
Nov 07 20:24:05 <Pali> or on PC?
Nov 07 20:24:25 <felipec> Pali: if it's on the PC why does the N9 work?
Nov 07 20:24:30 <Pali> I have some problems with usb 3.0 ports and n900
Nov 07 20:24:39 <Pali> but on 2.0 ports working fine
Nov 07 20:24:51 <felipec> Pali: I don't think I have 2.0 ports
Nov 07 20:24:53 <Pali> and only n900 has problems with usb 3.0
Nov 07 20:25:18 <Pali> and what you have? only 3.0 ports?
Nov 07 20:25:41 <felipec> Pali: I think so, yeah
Nov 07 20:26:34 <Pali> felipec: and why then are you using ehci drivers?
Nov 07 20:27:00 <Pali> for 3.0 you need xhci
Nov 07 20:27:49 <felipec> Pali: I have xhci
Nov 07 20:28:00 <Pali> I mean "[21:19:56] <felipec> [   74.407052] ehci-pci 0000:00:1d.0: detected XactErr len 0/1514 retry 1"
Nov 07 20:30:18 <felipec> Pali: CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD=y
Nov 07 20:30:38 <Pali> ok
Nov 07 20:31:03 <DocScrutinizer05> use a hub
Nov 07 20:32:22 <felipec> DocScrutinizer05: I don't have one
Nov 07 20:32:37 <felipec> I tried with another N900, so it's not a hw problem of the device
Nov 07 20:33:28 <DocScrutinizer05> there are known problems even with ohci or ehci drivers on PC, with N900
Nov 07 20:33:44 <DocScrutinizer05> actually not only with N900
Nov 07 20:34:27 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.geekdevs.com/2010/04/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/
Nov 07 20:35:45 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: thanks for link!
Nov 07 20:35:49 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Nov 07 20:36:12 <Pali> I tried to find way how to deregister ehci without recompiling kernel (with ehci removable module)
Nov 07 20:36:57 <felipec> DocScrutinizer05: I recompiled my kernel to make it a module... let's see
Nov 07 20:37:27 <myname24> Hi ,can 
Nov 07 20:40:41 <myname24> anyone point me to how to chroot maemo
Nov 07 20:41:11 <myname24> Hi ,can 
Nov 07 20:41:36 <myname24> Hi ,  can 
Nov 07 20:42:06 <myname24> Hi ,can 
Nov 07 20:43:50 <myname24> how to chroot maemo
Nov 07 20:44:10 <Pali> I do not understand
Nov 07 20:44:19 <Pali> from which system?
Nov 07 20:44:41 <myname24> how to chroot maemo
Nov 07 20:44:54 <Pali> from?
Nov 07 20:45:22 <myname24> I need to install sysklogd
Nov 07 20:45:36 <myname24> Ubuntu desktop
Nov 07 20:46:02 <Pali> and what you have maemo image?
Nov 07 20:46:14 <myname24> Because my device is unbootable right now . I removed multiboot and installed kernel power 52 and now it's in that state
Nov 07 20:46:25 <Pali> ~flashing
Nov 07 20:46:26 <infobot> from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 07 20:47:04 <myname24> I know about flashing :) i'm asking about solution that do need flash
Nov 07 20:47:20 <myname24> Do not*
Nov 07 20:47:32 <Pali> so you broke rootfs and what to fix it, right?
Nov 07 20:47:44 <Pali> only one solution is rescueOS
Nov 07 20:48:00 <Pali> it is initfs with kernel which can be loaded via USB to n900 RAM without flashing
Nov 07 20:48:13 <Pali> but you need to know *what* you need to fix
Nov 07 20:48:24 <Pali> you need to know *what* you broken and *how* to fix it
Nov 07 20:48:27 <myname24> Yes i can load rescueos successfully
Nov 07 20:48:27 <Pali> ~rescueOS
Nov 07 20:48:30 <infobot> rescueos is, like, http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
Nov 07 20:48:59 <Pali> so fix what you broken :-)
Nov 07 20:49:19 <Pali> I cannot help more
Nov 07 20:49:28 <myname24> The question is how to know *what* is broken :)
Nov 07 20:49:43 <myname24> Any log or something to look into
Nov 07 20:49:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~maemo-multiboot
Nov 07 20:49:47 <infobot> well, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
Nov 07 20:50:07 <Pali> myname24: you can try to load stock kernel
Nov 07 20:50:17 <Pali> (now when you know how to load it without flashing)
Nov 07 20:50:49 <Pali> or check if you have correct (not damaged) file /sbin/preinit
Nov 07 20:51:00 <DocScrutinizer05> myname24: your kernel modules do not match the kernel in mtd1
Nov 07 20:51:26 <Pali> stock kernel modules are never uninstalled, so loading stock kernel can help
Nov 07 20:51:40 <DocScrutinizer05> but honestly multiboot damages your system, thus ^^^^
Nov 07 20:51:45 <myname24> I did unpack module from kernel power 52 and flash it via maemo flasher and still the same
Nov 07 20:52:02 <Pali> "I did unpack module from kernel power 52" not enough
Nov 07 20:52:17 <Pali> you need to depmod
Nov 07 20:52:27 <Pali> really, try to load/boot stock kernel
Nov 07 20:52:41 <Pali> if this will not work, then ~flashing is needed
Nov 07 20:52:45 <myname24> I'm on cssu does it work ?
Nov 07 20:52:52 <Pali> cssu-thumb?
Nov 07 20:52:52 <DocScrutinizer05> unrelated
Nov 07 20:52:56 <myname24> Yes
Nov 07 20:53:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ouch
Nov 07 20:53:16 <DocScrutinizer05> SOL
Nov 07 20:53:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flashing
Nov 07 20:53:30 <infobot> methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 07 20:53:31 <Pali> try
Nov 07 20:53:31 <Pali> you will see if it will work
Nov 07 20:53:41 <Pali> you cannot broke phone more with trying to boot stock kernel
Nov 07 20:53:51 <DocScrutinizer05> that's correct :-P
Nov 07 20:54:02 <DocScrutinizer05> almost ;-P
Nov 07 20:54:08 <Pali> only MALF can be wrotten to dsme state file
Nov 07 20:54:18 <Pali> but this can be removed with R&D flag...
Nov 07 20:54:26 <DocScrutinizer05> he can enter bootloop
Nov 07 20:54:30 <DocScrutinizer05> and flatbat
Nov 07 20:54:45 <Pali> ok, this is possible too
Nov 07 20:55:24 <myname24> So flashing is the only way to go
Nov 07 20:55:35 <Pali> stock kernel not booting?
Nov 07 20:55:50 <Pali> ~zimage-fb
Nov 07 20:55:51 <infobot> well, zimage-fb is on http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/
Nov 07 20:56:22 <Pali> try to load/boot kernel zImage-fb-omap1-pr13 from ^^^
Nov 07 20:56:47 <myname24> I'll try it right now
Nov 07 20:58:36 <myname24> Using "--flash-only=kernel" command ?
Nov 07 20:59:42 <Pali> no
Nov 07 20:59:57 <Pali> same as you loaded rescueOS but without initfs
Nov 07 21:00:07 <Pali> flasher-3.5 -l -k kernel -b
Nov 07 21:09:30 <myname24> Pali, Still stuck at nokia logo
Nov 07 21:09:44 <Pali> and debug output?
Nov 07 21:09:58 <Pali> above kernel using framebuffer for debug output
Nov 07 21:11:32 <myname24> I'll try to read it . Hard because no backlight . Wait a sec
Nov 07 21:13:03 <Pali> myname24: is it kernel panic? could not start init?
Nov 07 21:13:23 <Pali> or could not open VFS?
Nov 07 21:13:37 <Pali> or you see dots?
Nov 07 21:21:30 <myname24> Pali: failed to execut /sbin/preinit and the last line was kernel panic
Nov 07 21:21:45 <Pali> [21:50:48] <Pali> or check if you have correct (not damaged) file /sbin/preinit
Nov 07 21:22:14 <Pali> use rescueOS to revert that file
Nov 07 21:22:31 <Pali> I bet that multiboot it renamed to some /sbin/preinit.<backup>
Nov 07 21:22:33 <Pali> or similar
Nov 07 21:22:35 <myname24> I did replace it yesterday when using the rescueos . I'll do it again .
Nov 07 21:22:49 <Pali> check for executable flag
Nov 07 21:23:01 <Pali> chmod +x file
Nov 07 21:25:39 <myname24> I'm checking
Nov 07 21:39:39 <myname24> After restoring /sbin/preinit and i unpacked stock kernel modules i got modules not loaded 
Nov 08 00:26:17 <FIQ> so how do you fix microb w/o a reboot once it decides to not load stuff anymore? :D
Nov 08 00:26:32 * bindi waves at FIQ 
Nov 08 00:36:47 <FIQ> hi bindi 
Nov 08 00:36:49 <FIQ> hmm
Nov 08 00:37:10 <FIQ> why can't you utilize tabs in microB?
Nov 08 00:37:16 <FIQ> the functionality is there
Nov 08 00:37:36 <FIQ> it seems to have some minor issues
Nov 08 00:37:48 <FIQ> but tabs are a lot more convenient than windows lol
Nov 08 00:43:00 <felipec> anybody else having problems with usbnet in USB3 with the N900?
Nov 08 00:54:37 <FIQ> --view=tab hmmmmm
Nov 08 00:55:02 <FIQ> it's quite buggy, but I think that stems from my method of starting browser ui raher than tab functionality
Nov 08 00:55:10 <FIQ> the tabs themselves look weird though
Nov 08 02:28:21 <Gear_> hey, OMweather is bringing up the weather for tomorrow
Nov 08 02:28:24 <Gear_> instead of today
Nov 08 02:28:47 <Gear_> the settings are set for australia and it's never had this problem before
Nov 08 02:53:33 <Gear_> it just glitched out the other day and reinstalling it doesn't help
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