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Nov 12 04:12:38 <qwerty123> Hi . What should be ideal cpu usage of pulseaudio when playing media player? Mine is about 30.
Nov 12 04:20:49 <brolin_empey> Is Psi under pressure? ;-)
Nov 12 04:23:08 <Psi> no, im not  Quite relaxed really
Nov 12 07:19:01 <reenignEesreveR> what is the latest version of flasher? 3.5 or 3.12?
Nov 12 07:45:21 <psycho_oreos> 3.5. 3.12 is not for fremantle.
Nov 12 10:34:17 <rd1381> hi can somebody help me with network wireless speed in n900?
Nov 12 10:53:49 <vi__> what is wrong withyour wireless speed?
Nov 12 11:12:33 <rd1381> vi__ : after connecting it stop downloading the apps
Nov 12 11:12:59 <rd1381> it gets like 2 kb of app then gets stuck
Nov 12 11:13:26 <rd1381> funny thing is at first its ok but after a while it gets stuck
Nov 12 11:56:15 <rd1381> any help?
Nov 12 12:08:04 <reenignEesreveR> when I try to install kernel-power, I start getting guru meditation issues. I flash back the kernel and it starts working. Maybe a multiboot issue. How do get to install kernel power ???
Nov 12 12:13:19 <sixwheeledbeast> ~multiboot
Nov 12 12:13:20 <infobot> methinks multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/
Nov 12 12:14:33 <sixwheeledbeast> mhm... no warning that multiboot tears the eMMC to bits...
Nov 12 12:23:53 <reenignEesreveR> ?
Nov 12 12:24:15 <reenignEesreveR> but its the multiboot that isn't able to load the kernel power apparently :(
Nov 12 12:24:48 <vi__> use uboot.
Nov 12 12:25:48 <Apic> Yeah, multiboot is broken by Design.
Nov 12 12:26:04 <Apic> Flashes the Kernel on _every_ Boot...
Nov 12 12:26:11 <vi__> not really.  It was a good workaround at the time.
Nov 12 12:28:15 <rd1381> could it be that i have hw problems so my wireless downloads gets stuck?
Nov 12 12:31:38 <sixwheeledbeast> IIRC multiboot support for KP has been dropped. 
Nov 12 12:33:33 <sixwheeledbeast> rd1381: can you browse the web ok? how are you testing your "speed".
Nov 12 12:36:16 <DocScrutinizer05> Jeremiah answered \o/
Nov 12 12:36:51 <rd1381> the web browsing is buggy as well
Nov 12 12:36:55 <rd1381> i dont mean slow
Nov 12 12:37:25 <rd1381> i mean its  like package drop is high
Nov 12 12:37:51 <rd1381> even connecting to google is not even 50/50 its like 20/80
Nov 12 12:47:39 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Nov 12 12:47:52 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like fux0red WLAN
Nov 12 12:48:05 <DocScrutinizer05> check AP and PSM setting
Nov 12 12:48:14 <DocScrutinizer05> duh, he left
Nov 12 12:48:23 <DocScrutinizer05> dang
Nov 12 12:48:28 <DocScrutinizer05> drive by asker
Nov 12 12:49:21 <DocScrutinizer05> reenignEesreveR: 
Nov 12 12:49:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~maemo-multiboot
Nov 12 12:49:29 <infobot> maemo-multiboot is, like, deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
Nov 12 12:50:24 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: literal multiboot
Nov 12 12:50:25 <infobot> "#maemo multiboot" is "http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/"
Nov 12 12:51:02 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: #maemo multiboot is also **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot
Nov 12 12:51:03 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Nov 12 12:53:06 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: literal multiboot
Nov 12 12:53:07 <infobot> "#maemo multiboot" is "http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot"
Nov 12 12:53:46 <reenignEesreveR> sorry, was away
Nov 12 12:54:16 <reenignEesreveR> thanks. uboot it is then?
Nov 12 12:54:20 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/  \o/
Nov 12 12:54:30 <DocScrutinizer05> sometimes it feels good to be admin
Nov 12 12:55:05 <reenignEesreveR> how do i know if CSSU is installed or not?
Nov 12 12:56:22 <DocScrutinizer05> system settings
Nov 12 12:56:50 <DocScrutinizer05> if it has "about CSSU" then... guess what
Nov 12 12:58:02 <reenignEesreveR> right. so it says Version: 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1
Nov 12 12:58:11 <DocScrutinizer05> looks OK
Nov 12 12:58:12 <reenignEesreveR> how do i update to next stable one?
Nov 12 12:58:36 <DocScrutinizer05> Latest version: Testing(2013-10-27): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3; Stable(2013-06-18): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1
Nov 12 12:59:04 <reenignEesreveR> but how do  i install it? I tried the installer script at the page, it opened the HAM but didn't do any updates
Nov 12 12:59:12 <DocScrutinizer05> HUH?
Nov 12 12:59:42 <DocScrutinizer05> install what?
Nov 12 12:59:49 <reenignEesreveR> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Nov 12 12:59:57 <DocScrutinizer05> read again!
Nov 12 13:00:05 <DocScrutinizer05> Latest version: Testing(2013-10-27): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3; Stable(2013-06-18): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1
Nov 12 13:00:25 <reenignEesreveR> aaaaaaaah. ..... oh ok
Nov 12 13:00:34 <reenignEesreveR> i was like 2013 != 2011
Nov 12 13:00:43 <Apic> ;-)
Nov 12 13:00:51 <reenignEesreveR> strange name they've got! thanks a lot :)
Nov 12 13:01:02 <reenignEesreveR> so the only thing i need to do now is install kernel-power
Nov 12 13:01:14 <DocScrutinizer05> this is the release of maemo stock it's based on
Nov 12 13:01:49 <reenignEesreveR> uboot's desccription says its risky
Nov 12 13:01:55 <reenignEesreveR> any other alternative?
Nov 12 13:01:55 <DocScrutinizer05> probably even last MAJOR release, for the 21.2011
Nov 12 13:02:11 <DocScrutinizer05> no, uBoot is da thing to go
Nov 12 13:02:34 <DocScrutinizer05> compared to multiboot it#s safe as milk
Nov 12 13:03:33 <DocScrutinizer05> if you don't have thumb or other strange kernels installed already, then uBoot is absolutely safe
Nov 12 13:04:01 <DocScrutinizer05> uBoot comes with default stock kernel, so no risk at all
Nov 12 13:05:05 <DocScrutinizer05> if shit hits the fan, you simply flash the kernel you had before you installed uBoot (though there's little likelihood you have to, when you're using stock kernel before you install uBoot)
Nov 12 13:06:09 <DocScrutinizer05> but when you nstalled multiboot before, then VERY LIKELY you will end up with a system that's terribly broken and you'll need a complete reflash
Nov 12 13:06:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ~maemo-multiboot
Nov 12 13:06:36 <infobot> somebody said maemo-multiboot was deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
Nov 12 13:07:51 <DocScrutinizer05> only chance: *completely* roll back *all* changes multiboot did to your system, *before* you install uBoot
Nov 12 13:08:18 <reenignEesreveR> "apt-get remove multiboot" would be sufficient?
Nov 12 13:08:20 <DocScrutinizer05> uninstalling multiboot doesn't suffice since it doesn't uninstall cleanly, I heard
Nov 12 13:08:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ^^^
Nov 12 13:08:39 <reenignEesreveR> whats the easiest way to ensure?
Nov 12 13:08:45 <DocScrutinizer05> reflash
Nov 12 13:08:55 <reenignEesreveR> already done that ... multiboot was still there
Nov 12 13:08:55 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly
Nov 12 13:09:02 <reenignEesreveR> errr.... no wait
Nov 12 13:09:04 <DocScrutinizer05> hardly
Nov 12 13:09:15 <reenignEesreveR> i only reflashed the kernel
Nov 12 13:09:19 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
Nov 12 13:09:24 <reenignEesreveR> so technically i didn't reflash to get rid of multiboot
Nov 12 13:09:35 <DocScrutinizer05> multiboot fscks up your init scripts and whatnot else
Nov 12 13:10:00 <DocScrutinizer05> reflash COMBINED
Nov 12 13:13:11 <reenignEesreveR> whats the easiest way to reflash and restore my data?
Nov 12 13:19:09 <DocScrutinizer05> make a backup with stock (hildon) backup app, flash COMBINED (*not* VANILLA), re-install your apps list using the in backup app's restore function
Nov 12 13:20:32 <DocScrutinizer05> if you got "manually" installed apps/programs (apt-get install or even dpkg) then you need to take care of those manualy after reflash, since odds are Hildon backup doesn't know about them
Nov 12 13:20:39 <reenignEesreveR> life is too short to make backups ... i tried installing uboot and it worked :P
Nov 12 13:21:18 <DocScrutinizer05> you can check what's in your backup: a) it's a set of tarballs, and b) you can invoke backup restore and it will present you a list of apps it will restore
Nov 12 13:21:48 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, until you touch multiboot
Nov 12 13:22:23 <DocScrutinizer05> first activity done by multiboot zombie will nuke your system now
Nov 12 13:22:45 <DocScrutinizer05> one way or the other
Nov 12 13:23:22 <reenignEesreveR> right
Nov 12 14:15:00 <reenignEesreveR> is there a python library installer for maemo? pip or setuptools?
Nov 12 14:25:28 <dack> hey..  I discovered something great, but don't really want to sign up for an account on maemo.org just for one post.  I was hoping someone here could spread the word...
Nov 12 14:26:06 <dack> essentially, the mail client is incredibly slow for gmail, but I figured out how to fix it! 
Nov 12 14:26:15 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Neo900/media/pic+vid/batswap-quick-procedure.mp4
Nov 12 14:26:44 <dack> there's a setting in gmail to limit the number of emails in an IMAP folder to 1000 ( there's other values too)
Nov 12 14:27:25 <dack> so, now my email is much much more responsive and an email loads up in seconds where before it was literally minutes
Nov 12 14:27:46 <dack> would someone please post that on the forums for other people to hear?
Nov 12 14:35:39 <vi__> where is this setting?
Nov 12 14:36:05 <vi__> Also, can anyone name a decent alternative to gmail on account of the fact that google are really starting to suck farts as of late.
Nov 12 14:41:15 <wnd> vi__, gmail -> gear icon at top left -> settings -> forwarding and pop/imap -> imap access -> folder size limits
Nov 12 14:41:31 <wnd> top right, that is
Nov 12 14:41:43 <wnd> (the other left)
Nov 12 14:45:26 <DocScrutinizer05> the left left over after left left
Nov 12 15:03:01 <reenignEesreveR> which theme do you personally prefer on n900?
Nov 12 15:07:33 <wnd> Nokia Nseries, with Character (image set) as background image. yes I know I'm boring.
Nov 12 15:08:46 <reenignEesreveR> do themes affect responsiveness of device?
Nov 12 15:13:45 <wnd> I'm not sure, but as n900 uses gtk, I suppose a less/more demanding theme could be created (namely by using an engine faster/slower than sapwood
Nov 12 15:15:02 <wnd> also the theme style can be more/less complex, and use images of different dimensions. I /guess/ gtk encodes the images only once and keeps the uncompressed data in memory.
Nov 12 15:15:32 <wnd> erm, decodes
Nov 12 15:15:58 <wnd> seems that I have a day of opposites
Nov 12 15:21:31 <reenignEesreveR> right
Nov 12 15:21:57 <reenignEesreveR> btw the font sizes are small for me ... can i make font sizes a bit larger? esp. of the browser?
Nov 12 15:23:40 <wnd> sorry, I can't remember and I have to be on my way now
Nov 12 15:32:00 <sixwheeledbeast> reenignEesreveR: for version info see ~getversion
Nov 12 18:40:26 <DocScrutinizer05> moin Woody14619
Nov 12 19:02:02 <ShadowJK> wnd; browser - options - adjust view - text size
Nov 12 19:48:09 <sixwheeledbeast> ~pkg
Nov 12 19:48:10 <infobot> pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/
Nov 12 20:18:00 <DocScrutinizer05> hi ShadowJK
Nov 12 20:18:31 <DocScrutinizer05> somebody suggested to rather use a second uSD tray instead of eMMC. What's your atke?
Nov 12 20:18:35 <DocScrutinizer05> take*
Nov 12 20:24:14 <NeutrinoPower> hi, I can't use the mass-storage mode because the storage is in use but fuser /home/user/MyDocs/ gives nothing but "umount: can't umount /home/user/MyDocs: Device or resource busy"
Nov 12 20:26:52 <sono> emmc would be more resilient and reliable, probably cheaper too?
Nov 12 20:39:17 <sixwheeledbeast> extra uSD tray would mean easy replacement of flash memory. Would it reduce cost of device?
Nov 12 20:41:44 <StyXman> I think the board will become outdated (for some values of that) before the eMMC fails or becomes too small
Nov 12 20:42:26 <sono> whereas uSD will fail due to lack of wear levelling if you don't use a flash filesystem, and die from dust and shock before that
Nov 12 20:43:27 <sono> then again, i am only a software guy. what do i know?
Nov 12 20:46:45 <sono> oh hey, it appears that uSD does usually have integrated wear levelling after all.
Nov 12 20:47:02 <sono> up to the card manufacturer, aparrently
Nov 12 20:49:15 <SpeedEvil> sono: No.
Nov 12 20:49:29 <SpeedEvil> sono: You can't make a uSD or indeed a SD without wear leveling.
Nov 12 20:49:57 <SpeedEvil> As it pretty much means your card will start out witl large amounts of errors, and gain more rapidly during life.
Nov 12 20:51:19 <DocScrutinizer05> first thing to notice: eMMC afaik has 8 bit interface, uSD has 4 bit
Nov 12 20:51:28 <sixwheeledbeast> It will also make it easier to transfer everything to new HW if required. I think it's a great idea, if there are no side effects.
Nov 12 20:54:17 <NeutrinoPower> when the display turn off the vnc-session is black too... :-(
Nov 12 20:54:40 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL, sure
Nov 12 20:55:33 <sono> SpeedEvil: right, how silly of me.
Nov 12 20:56:14 <sono> wouldn't eMMC connect to some sort of GPMC, and uSD to some sort of SPI-like interface?
Nov 12 20:56:35 <DocScrutinizer05> basically yes
Nov 12 20:57:00 <sono> right
Nov 12 20:57:09 <sono> at least something i learned from our EE guys
Nov 12 20:57:13 <SpeedEvil> I thought eMMC was basically MMC
Nov 12 20:57:20 <SpeedEvil> Which is pretty similar to SD
Nov 12 20:57:30 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm yes, kinda, but wider bus
Nov 12 20:57:37 <SpeedEvil> MMC to make it 8 ...
Nov 12 20:57:55 <SpeedEvil> Though SDXC? is also8 bit. (or can be)
Nov 12 20:58:27 <DocScrutinizer05> no SDXC on OMAP3
Nov 12 21:01:10 <DocScrutinizer05> no idea how they cram 8 bit on 9 pads
Nov 12 21:02:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, 8 pads
Nov 12 21:02:37 <DocScrutinizer05> -gnd -VDD = 6
Nov 12 21:04:51 <DocScrutinizer05> eMMC has 8 data-I/O, clk, CMD, and of course power supply
Nov 12 21:05:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess it must be faster than uSD
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