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Nov 13 03:53:02 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer05; i'd like dual usd trays. however, if you look at raspberrypi, people buy the shittiest possible usd that at best works a couple days before corrupting
Nov 13 03:53:40 <ShadowJK> but then again, I'd have more faith in myself being able to select a good uSD than someone else selecting a good emmc
Nov 13 03:55:38 <ShadowJK> get the same emmc as in nexus 7.2013 :)))
Nov 13 03:55:46 <ShadowJK> it's good
Nov 13 08:43:45 <troulouliou_dev> hi sometimes the phone apps freeze in "on screen" minimized mode; i have this issue since i switched to cssu testing
Nov 13 08:43:48 <troulouliou_dev> any ideas ?
Nov 13 10:47:02 <EgS> Kollege dazu: Da Google kein Extra-Doodle anzeigt, ist heute ein ganz gewöhnlicher "Ich-Lauf-Amok-Tag" (Hallo NSA) :D
Nov 13 10:47:06 <EgS> allmost :)
Nov 13 10:51:55 <EgS> well that was obviously the wrong channel... that was the joking response of someone to the fact that today is world kindness day... sorry for that ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Kindness_Day
Nov 13 12:14:41 <FIQ> so donating to the neo900 project sends a physicl invoice or a mail one? just wondering why address is needed
Nov 13 14:15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: address needed for later shipping. invoice is a mail
Nov 13 14:16:37 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: Neo900 donation is the only "product" of goldeliCo that doesn't instantly deliver material goods
Nov 13 14:23:31 <FIQ> DocScrutinizer05: I see
Nov 13 14:24:27 <FIQ> all right then, yes I was rather confused as it isn't a (guranteed) preorder
Nov 13 14:26:11 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: we didn't find an insurance that would contract us and cover our ass when/IF we run into some terrible mishap, like "all sources decided to not ship DM3730 anymore"
Nov 13 14:29:03 <DocScrutinizer05> but our calculations stand: we can reach MP readiness for 25k, so even when such mishap/disaster happened to us imediately after we reached MP ready and before we can start MP, the coverage is already 35/25 (I.E. we would've used up 25k of the already raised 35k donations). We would pay back the remaining 10k in that case
Nov 13 14:29:44 <FIQ> makes sense
Nov 13 14:30:04 <DocScrutinizer05> MP itself is insured by fab, no risk there :-D
Nov 13 17:51:00 <dos1> is there some way to flash bootloader/kernel from running n900? (without usb and pc)
Nov 13 17:51:33 <dos1> (yes/no will be enough ;))
Nov 13 18:05:44 <bef0rd> I think there is dos1
Nov 13 18:06:28 <BCMM> dos1: the kernel can certainly be updated by the package manager. however, i'm not sure what "flashing the bootloader" entails
Nov 13 18:06:58 <bef0rd> NOLO maybe? not sure if that can be replaced
Nov 13 18:07:47 <bef0rd> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80840 i guess Pali knows better
Nov 13 18:08:23 <freemangordon> bef0rd: NOLO is on NAND
Nov 13 18:08:43 <freemangordon> so I see no reason why it couldn;t be flashed
Nov 13 18:09:40 <zamn900> hello
Nov 13 18:11:04 <bef0rd> freemangordon: ah, but is there a replacement? I remember installing uboot on N900 by stskeeps, not sure if it "replaced" nolo, or just installed itself after NOLO (chained loaded?)
Nov 13 18:11:29 <freemangordon> uboot on n900 is like linux kernel
Nov 13 18:11:38 <freemangordon> it can;t replace NOLO
Nov 13 18:11:41 <freemangordon> (so far)
Nov 13 18:12:20 <freemangordon> bef0rd: BTW if you're going to install u-boot, use Pali's one
Nov 13 18:12:56 <Pali> freemangordon: what about deleting all other uboot versions from extras repo?
Nov 13 18:12:58 <bef0rd> oh, no, I'm just asking because of dos1's question :)
Nov 13 18:13:34 <freemangordon> Pali: well, raise the question to the council
Nov 13 18:13:44 <freemangordon> otherwise it sounds sane to me
Nov 13 18:14:33 <freemangordon> Pali: or open a thread on TMO, I'll add my +1 to it
Nov 13 18:18:27 <zamn900> I want to kill all the@workless tasks as I must go out and use my phone just for phone... and kill also daemons... please don't tell me about the switch between tablet and phone
Nov 13 18:19:10 <freemangordon> zamn900: you want to do what?
Nov 13 18:19:24 <freemangordon> I can;t parse " all the@workless tasks"
Nov 13 18:20:16 <zamn900> I want to kill all the workless tasks as I must go out and use my phone just for phone... and kill also daemons... please don't tell me about the switch between tablet and phone
Nov 13 18:21:23 <freemangordon> zamn900: do you have some real problem with background tasks, or you thunk it will be cool to leave only ome application running?
Nov 13 18:21:31 <freemangordon> *one
Nov 13 18:22:38 * sono recommends optimizen900
Nov 13 18:22:48 <zamn900> I don't think... I must have my n900 with battery alive for long
Nov 13 18:22:50 * sono also runs, ducks, and dives away from freemangordon's bullets
Nov 13 18:23:05 * freemangordon recommends to not install anything but swappolube
Nov 13 18:23:06 <sono> zamn900: switch to GSM only, let it sleep when it wants to.
Nov 13 18:23:28 <sono> undervolt, underclock
Nov 13 18:23:42 <zamn900> I have already followed that guide about battery life
Nov 13 18:23:53 <freemangordon> zamn900: what guide?
Nov 13 18:23:54 <zamn900> included gsm
Nov 13 18:24:18 <zamn900> on n900 please I don't find the guide
Nov 13 18:24:28 <freemangordon> zamn900: what is your problem?
Nov 13 18:24:52 <freemangordon> bad battery life?
Nov 13 18:24:55 * sono checks out swappolube
Nov 13 18:25:17 <zamn900> well...if possible I want to create a profile for being with less tasks than possible
Nov 13 18:25:34 <sono> <- new user since 2-3 months
Nov 13 18:25:40 <freemangordon> zamn900: I got that, but wonder why you would want to do that
Nov 13 18:25:51 <sono> zamn900: as we explained to you before, the number of tasks is largely irrelevant
Nov 13 18:25:58 <sono> zamn900: we had this discussion a week? ago
Nov 13 18:26:17 <zamn900> maybe is battey old... but killing tasks would help
Nov 13 18:26:29 <freemangordon> zamn900: no, it will not
Nov 13 18:26:40 <zamn900> I mean I don't have to explain
Nov 13 18:26:46 <freemangordon> the major consumers are display and radios
Nov 13 18:27:03 <freemangordon> zamn900: how old is your battery?
Nov 13 18:27:06 <zamn900> but I am pretty sure that killing tasks helps to battery life
Nov 13 18:27:24 <sono> go ahead and buy a shotgun, then. i already lost patience last time
Nov 13 18:27:25 <freemangordon> zamn900: that helps only if you have a runaway process
Nov 13 18:27:33 <zamn900> idk how old it is lol
Nov 13 18:28:01 <freemangordon> well, buy a new battery before heading to the road of reflash
Nov 13 18:28:39 <zamn900> freemangordon, I am not kidding as you are
Nov 13 18:28:44 * sono really has to do more with the n900 sometime
Nov 13 18:28:55 <freemangordon> zamn900: Am I kidding?
Nov 13 18:29:04 <sono> plonktime
Nov 13 18:29:11 <freemangordon> I don;t thinks so, I really recommend you to buy a new battery
Nov 13 18:29:31 <bef0rd> most of the process/daemons are required for phone functionality I guess
Nov 13 18:29:35 <freemangordon> Batteries tend to lose capacity with the age
Nov 13 18:29:47 <freemangordon> bef0rd: :nod:
Nov 13 18:30:10 <sono> besides, a sleeping process eats exactly zero memory unless you can partially power down dram
Nov 13 18:30:14 <sono> which the n900 probably cannot
Nov 13 18:30:17 <freemangordon> though I guess trackerd could be cilled, along with a couple of other daemons
Nov 13 18:30:23 <sono> s/memory/energy
Nov 13 18:30:57 <freemangordon> sono: correct, it is usually in some select()
Nov 13 18:31:04 <freemangordon> or the likes
Nov 13 18:32:48 <ShadowJK> in dram refresh, battery life is on order of weeks
Nov 13 18:33:17 <ShadowJK> Also, I get a new battery every 18 months
Nov 13 18:34:47 * sono clicks around in swappolube
Nov 13 18:34:59 <freemangordon> sono: be careful
Nov 13 18:35:05 <sono> sure
Nov 13 18:35:21 <freemangordon> sono: the things I'd recommend to change are:
Nov 13 18:35:27 <freemangordon> swappiness to 30
Nov 13 18:35:35 <sono> looks like a bunch of sysfs parameters in a ui
Nov 13 18:36:39 <freemangordon> nr_requests to 512
Nov 13 18:36:56 <freemangordon> I guess ShadowJK will disagree here :)
Nov 13 18:37:34 <sono> proposed is 128, yea
Nov 13 18:37:35 <freemangordon> soltys: oh, and page-cluster to 0
Nov 13 18:37:47 <freemangordon> sono: ^^^
Nov 13 18:37:48 <sono> mhm
Nov 13 18:37:54 <sono> low-traffic here =)
Nov 13 18:38:07 <freemangordon> 128 is too low IMO
Nov 13 18:38:59 <freemangordon> I did a lot of testing some 2-3 years ago, 512 was the pest trade between speed and responsiveness
Nov 13 18:39:07 <freemangordon> for my use cases ofc
Nov 13 18:39:22 <freemangordon> best even 
Nov 13 18:39:31 <sono> why do you recommend laptop_mode=1
Nov 13 18:39:35 <freemangordon> me?
Nov 13 18:39:38 <sono> mmc0 is the internal nand?
Nov 13 18:39:39 <freemangordon> I don;t
Nov 13 18:39:40 <sono> no, it
Nov 13 18:39:44 <freemangordon> NFC
Nov 13 18:39:58 <sono> mmc1 is the uSD?
Nov 13 18:40:08 <freemangordon> anyway, GF is calling, gtg, bye
Nov 13 18:40:11 <sono> bai
Nov 13 18:42:13 <zamn900> I found now this
Nov 13 18:43:18 <zamn900> sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
Nov 13 18:45:39 <ShadowJK> lol
Nov 13 18:45:44 <ShadowJK> pointless :)
Nov 13 18:45:47 <sono> well well, a few tuned kernel parameters
Nov 13 18:45:53 <sono> let's see if i notice the changes
Nov 13 18:46:13 <zamn900> does it?
Nov 13 18:46:14 <sono> or if i at least placebo notice the noticing of the changes.
Nov 13 18:51:43 <zamn900> http://shootspeak.com/2010/12/05/nokia-n900-performance-tweaks/
Nov 13 18:54:48 <zamn900> the battery patch does not work anymore
Nov 13 18:55:17 <ShadowJK> it never worked lol
Nov 13 18:55:24 <ShadowJK> same for speedpatch.
Nov 13 19:04:25 <lexik> *never* use speed patch & battery patch :P
Nov 13 19:09:31 <freemangordon> zamn900: where did you got batterysuckpatch from?
Nov 13 19:09:41 <freemangordon> afaik it was removed from the repos
Nov 13 19:09:46 <freemangordon> *get
Nov 13 19:18:33 <zamn900> swappolube is all I wanted
Nov 13 21:16:32 <freemangordon> guys, any idea? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1386094&postcount=19
Nov 13 21:18:14 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: Pali: DocScrutinizer05: ^^^
Nov 13 21:19:04 <freemangordon> It was a while I flashed for a last time, I am afraid that I may give the guy wrong advices
Nov 13 21:21:22 <DocScrutinizer05> eventually I'll kick this zammy guy
Nov 13 21:25:50 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, battery defect
Nov 13 21:26:25 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: what about that guy who has trouble flashing?
Nov 13 21:26:28 <freemangordon> any idea?
Nov 13 21:26:55 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, battery defect
Nov 13 21:27:29 <freemangordon> yep, I thought the same as device enters ACT_DEAD mode
Nov 13 21:27:33 <DocScrutinizer05> both flashes seem to have succeeded, so I don't see any problem other than hardware
Nov 13 21:27:40 <freemangordon> :nod:
Nov 13 21:28:04 * DocScrutinizer05 is waiting til some fool siggests coldflashing
Nov 13 21:28:11 <DocScrutinizer05> suggests*
Nov 13 21:28:17 <freemangordon> already suggested :D
Nov 13 21:28:21 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Nov 13 21:29:05 <DocScrutinizer05> terribly damaged NAND might be another explanation
Nov 13 21:29:08 <freemangordon> hmm, no, I am wrong
Nov 13 21:29:12 <DocScrutinizer05> too many bad blocks
Nov 13 21:29:23 <freemangordon> to enter ACT_DEAD?
Nov 13 21:29:26 <freemangordon> I doubt
Nov 13 21:29:31 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, to reboot
Nov 13 21:29:40 <freemangordon> it enters ACT_DEAD mode
Nov 13 21:29:46 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't see act_dead happening
Nov 13 21:30:04 <freemangordon> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1386025&postcount=6
Nov 13 21:30:19 <DocScrutinizer05> he says he sees 5 dots, then dcreen dims, then 2 yellow flashes and reboot
Nov 13 21:30:30 <freemangordon> see that post
Nov 13 21:30:41 <DocScrutinizer05> no, I'm only reading last report
Nov 13 21:30:50 <freemangordon> well, see that one :)
Nov 13 21:30:55 <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
Nov 13 21:30:57 <DocScrutinizer05> grrr
Nov 13 21:31:09 <freemangordon> anyway, I am out of time
Nov 13 21:31:12 <freemangordon> night
Nov 13 21:32:15 <DocScrutinizer05> random noise
Nov 13 21:32:57 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't tell me anything except that the dude seems to have bought a device with HW defect, caused by overvoltage or sttaic discharge or whatever
Nov 13 21:33:44 <DocScrutinizer05> he reflashed, device boots normal, deevice enters first-boot optification, device reboots
Nov 13 21:33:53 <freemangordon> yep :(
Nov 13 21:34:01 <DocScrutinizer05> irrelevant what happened before he reflashed
Nov 13 21:38:30 <xes> my opinion is batt voltage too low. I can remember the same behavior with my old battery. I enabled framebuffer and the reboot cause was the voltage too low
Nov 13 21:43:59 <xes> Pali: have you tried my trojita build for fremantle? i have just played a little with it....and seems to work not too bad. But qml interface needs a lot of work to fit the N900. Who may have experience with it?
Nov 13 21:44:34 <Pali> I started it and there was problem with resolution
Nov 13 21:44:39 <Pali> but looks like it worked
Nov 13 21:44:57 <Pali> I do not know how has experience with it
Nov 13 21:46:43 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.ohsw.org/ always makes me want a t-shirt   "I survived a hard software workshop"
Nov 13 21:47:09 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: exactly! and hi! :)
Nov 13 21:48:18 <xes> Pali: i have tried an imap account with ssl and many many folders and it pretty good behavior (excluding theme) 
Nov 13 21:48:24 <xes> hi DocScrutinizer05!
Nov 13 21:48:59 <DocScrutinizer05> what's trojita?
Nov 13 21:49:19 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like a dangerous mexican weapon
Nov 13 21:50:04 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe a drink?
Nov 13 21:50:08 <DocScrutinizer05> mojito
Nov 13 21:52:12 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: a qml imap client that so far was available only for harmattan or desktop
Nov 13 21:52:29 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Nov 13 21:52:42 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, freemangordon beat me on quoting you
Nov 13 21:53:29 <DocScrutinizer05> qml on desktop? O tempora, oh mores!
Nov 13 21:54:20 <DocScrutinizer05> well, maybe it makes more sense on desktop than on resource-limited embedded, anyway
Nov 13 21:54:46 <xes> would you try my first fremantle build? Do you feel brave? Here it is: http://ge.tt/91rvm9z/v/0
Nov 13 21:55:03 <DocScrutinizer05> you might have guessed already: I don't like the concept of java and/or qml apps
Nov 13 21:55:24 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: sorry, I don't use any mail on N900
Nov 13 21:55:31 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd give a poor tester
Nov 13 21:56:17 <DocScrutinizer05> but I bet a zillion happy users will welcome an alternative to modest
Nov 13 21:57:20 <DocScrutinizer05> you should consider copying account settings from modest and then kicking modest with the huge boot and replace it by trojita
Nov 13 21:57:53 <DocScrutinizer05> at very least make sure modest is no longer called every so often to check for mails
Nov 13 22:12:25 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: xes: (reboot) I just remembered when and why it reboots: GSM TX
Nov 13 22:12:53 <DocScrutinizer05> removing SIM might be worth the hassle ;-)
Nov 13 22:13:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ...for testing something that's not telling you much in the end ;-)
Nov 13 22:13:58 <DocScrutinizer05> high ESR of battery makes Vbat drop below minimum as soon as TX draws 2A burst
Nov 13 22:14:33 <DocScrutinizer05> the timing seems to match the problem description
Nov 14 00:56:44 <Wizzup> n900 keeps telling me it cannot store or recieve messages because the device is full... df -h shows nothing filled above 60%
Nov 14 00:57:52 <Wizzup> seems its ro
Nov 14 01:05:19 <Wizzup> hm... could do with a fsck...
Nov 14 01:07:08 <Wizzup> ouch, i/o errors on .modest
Nov 14 02:44:15 <DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup: serious advice?
Nov 14 02:44:19 <DocScrutinizer05> reflash
Nov 14 02:44:25 <DocScrutinizer05> restore
Nov 14 02:44:28 <DocScrutinizer05> profit
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