**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 17 02:59:59 2013 Nov 17 03:41:19 Within the rear compartment is a large, humid cavity of gray organic tissue that maintains a constant temperature of 24 degrees Celsius. This area serves as SCP-1524's stomach, though it also has the function of storing gardening implements such as pinking shears, rakes, and a lawn mower. Nov 17 04:09:54 hello all Nov 17 04:10:03 can anyone shed some light Nov 17 04:10:14 i get key expired for downloads.maemo.nokia.com Nov 17 04:10:43 PING downloads.maemo.nokia.com (23.67.131.200) Nov 17 04:10:55 time=32.715 ms Nov 17 04:11:06 it seems stg. is stinky Nov 17 04:11:21 xactly 2 hours ago I could access it Nov 17 06:14:24 RST38h: those SCP quotes start getting boring Nov 17 06:14:59 I bet you can find every random sort of bizarre word sequence in those fiction stories Nov 17 06:16:22 Gatta_Negra: what's stg. ? Nov 17 06:18:37 as long as you get "key expired" that's not as worse as it could be. It just means Nokia managed to let their signature key expire roughly a year ago, and since it's expired they can't renew it. For you it doesn't or at least shouldn't have any negative consequences, it's just a W:(arning) Nov 17 07:30:19 maemo? Nov 17 07:30:33 the n900 is my only phone Nov 17 07:30:37 I fucking love it Nov 17 07:30:54 I have two, when the first one can't be serviced or fixed anymore, I'll switch to the second Nov 17 08:01:39 CSSU Nov 17 08:01:55 nokia discontinued all service for the n900 Nov 17 11:56:01 DocScrutinizer05, thank you Nov 17 11:56:06 i just disabld the reps Nov 17 11:56:48 another question :D I think this is the question that every n900 user finally asks : How to disable the back lid detection? Nov 17 11:57:09 the magnet is there, camera lid is detected, yer ack lid is reported opened all the time Nov 17 11:57:14 :D Nov 17 12:56:39 Hi.. How do we change default viewre for jpgfrom image-viewer to gpicview(easydebian)? Nov 17 12:56:42 Nov 17 13:01:48 Gatta_Negra: when magnet is there - REALLY - the you got a serious problem Nov 17 13:01:52 then* Nov 17 13:03:03 qwerty123: hardly Nov 17 13:04:13 Gear_: not really, they still seem to serve the base repos Nov 17 13:04:37 DocScrutinizer05: hardly? Nov 17 13:04:53 Gear_: like https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/ Nov 17 13:05:31 qwerty123: it's too entangled with e.g. camera-ui I'd think Nov 17 13:06:42 if it's just about which viewer gets called when clicking a file in filemanager, I guess it's easy Nov 17 13:06:43 DocScrutinizer05: had tried dbus-switchboard. Pics started opening in opera instead. To revert back, had to uninstall it. Nov 17 13:07:52 DocScrutinizer05: and figured out solution for that problem with freezing and all, restart hildon-status-menu. No idea why but it works. Nov 17 13:08:07 "(standard) image-viewer" you mean "gallery", right? Nov 17 13:08:42 hildan-status-menu has a memleak Nov 17 13:09:44 a nasty one Nokia devels should get beaten for never noticing and the less fixing it Nov 17 13:10:47 afaik freemangordon has fixed RE'ed versions for everything rogue Nov 17 13:10:52 in CSSU-* Nov 17 13:12:41 DocScrutinizer05: yeah its about that only, click-open types. Nov 17 13:13:13 DocScrutinizer05: i think its 'maemo photos'. Nov 17 13:13:30 Same thing. Nov 17 13:16:26 the mime types are in .desktop files IIRC Nov 17 13:18:30 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mime_Types#Using_hildon-mime-open Nov 17 13:19:44 DocScrutinizer05: okay. And my powertop-error thing where c0 is stuck at 98.4 percent, has experienced something new - C4 state's idle time reached 5449 ms. But the c4 state percent remained at 1.5 . Nov 17 13:20:29 well, then use powertop to spot which process is runaway Nov 17 13:20:33 DocScrutinizer05: thanks. I wasusing dbus-switchboard. It ended up with pics opening in opera. Nov 17 13:21:30 No use. Its always same whether idle time is 700 ms or 2000 ms. Nov 17 13:22:01 DocScrutinizer05: top never shows high cpu. Nov 17 13:23:54 And i have this doubt - even without video, mplayer shoots up Xorg usage. Why? Nov 17 13:24:39 And pulseaudio disabled. Nov 17 13:28:12 I said "use powertop to spot runaway process". If there's no runaway process then it's kernel and some IP function domain (like USB or DMA or whatever) stays active and thus blocks CPU from sleeping Nov 17 13:29:48 also see Nov 17 13:29:51 ~zzztop Nov 17 13:29:52 extra, extra, read all about it, zzztop is http://fatphil.org/linux/maemo/index.html#zzztop - the better and even FOSS powertop, or "" root; cd /usr/local/bin; wget http://fatphil.org/linux/maemo/zzztop.pl.txt -O zzztop; chmod +x zzztop "", or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/zzztop Nov 17 13:39:16 DocScrutinizer05, yes the magnet is there Nov 17 13:39:34 do you think that replacing the lid and the other stuff will do? Nov 17 13:39:37 that's *very* strange Nov 17 13:39:51 can I post ebay link here? I see a german person selling the whole pack Nov 17 13:40:03 try with a fridge magnet when backlid off Nov 17 13:40:20 no change Nov 17 13:40:26 I tried some magnets Nov 17 13:40:35 the lo does not say anything Nov 17 13:40:37 then you have a serious problem Nov 17 13:40:53 maybe i tried wrong magnet, yet I have several Nov 17 13:40:57 the phone is 2nd hand Nov 17 13:41:13 i realized the card is not read yesterday Nov 17 13:41:33 use a strong magnet, try at location where original magnet in kickstand "bay" sits Nov 17 13:41:53 doublecheck THE MAGNET! please describe where you found it! Nov 17 13:42:30 odds are your idea WHAT *IS* the magnet is off Nov 17 13:43:21 please explain to me where to find the original magnet Nov 17 13:43:42 see i see this sold here. Do you hink this could help the issue ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/For-Nokia-N900-Full-Back-Cover-Stylus-Housing-Keypad-/270763983558?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneFascias_JN&hash=item3f0aca82c6 Nov 17 13:43:45 pretend I'm a noob ;-) Nov 17 13:43:55 well. I am pretending then. a second Nov 17 13:46:27 When you lift the kickstand there is a rectangular little thing right in the middle. See the camera slider ? Orient it properly as the Carl Zeiss label reads properly, then look about a centimeter downwards. Look exactly where the kickstand lies. There should be a magnet in the rectangular hole. Nov 17 13:46:30 so the magnet is there Nov 17 13:46:47 a metal object like a money clip can hang from it Nov 17 13:47:06 yes Nov 17 13:47:40 if that magnet is still there then standby for a minute, I'll come up with further tests Nov 17 13:49:40 i dug the magnet out - dmesg says nothing differnet Nov 17 13:50:09 ok, it have always said cover is open, card is now inaccessible Nov 17 13:50:09 , this does not change Nov 17 13:50:22 dmesg|grep "mmc0: cover is" Nov 17 13:50:47 , this does not change Nov 17 13:50:56 6.698181] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible Nov 17 13:51:36 remove cover with magnet Nov 17 13:51:38 dmesg|grep "mmc0: cover is"|tail -n 1 Nov 17 13:51:46 install cover with magnet Nov 17 13:51:48 dmesg|grep "mmc0: cover is"|tail -n 1 Nov 17 13:51:52 compare Nov 17 13:52:52 no change Nov 17 13:54:27 watch cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch Nov 17 13:54:39 ^^^ this is a command line Nov 17 13:54:50 to be done as root Nov 17 13:55:05 huh Nov 17 13:55:13 it says open. it is closed :D Nov 17 13:55:24 try with several magnets Nov 17 13:55:31 i will do that now Nov 17 13:55:32 but I guess your sensor is broken Nov 17 13:56:07 sono, if I buy a replacement pack will it do? I mean. .. where is the sensor? Nov 17 13:57:22 i tried even with a loudspeaker magnet Nov 17 13:57:24 all the same Nov 17 13:57:37 the sensor is an electronic component soldered to an extension of motherboard Nov 17 13:57:55 tc tc Nov 17 13:59:05 so you say no way to fix that Nov 17 13:59:09 cool :D Nov 17 13:59:11 unless you're running a *massively* messed up kernel, the >>watch cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch<< should reflect directly the sensor's state as reported via a "wire" to CPU Nov 17 13:59:45 hm.i am ssh-ed to the phone from my linux laptop Nov 17 13:59:52 do one test please Nov 17 14:00:05 ls -l /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch Nov 17 14:00:20 echo closed >/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch Nov 17 14:00:21 yesterday i tried to install some "kernel module " from some forum. the nokia started an endless loop so I had to re-flash it Nov 17 14:00:52 ok then, you can forget about that test, I guess Nov 17 14:00:53 -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Nov 17 05:19 /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch Nov 17 14:00:53 Nokia-N900:/opt/var/lib/apt# echo closed >/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch Nov 17 14:00:53 -sh: cannot create /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch: Permission denied Nov 17 14:01:13 :nod: Nov 17 14:01:41 one last thing you *might* do, **ON OWN PERIL** Nov 17 14:02:22 echo closed >/cover; mount -o bind /cover /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch Nov 17 14:02:46 *might* temporarily fix stuff for you Nov 17 14:02:55 until reboot? Nov 17 14:03:06 maximum until reboot, yes Nov 17 14:03:33 could as well render your system messed up so you *need* to reboot to recover from all kinds of strange effects Nov 17 14:03:41 mhm I see Nov 17 14:03:51 I have nothing to lose I think .. Nov 17 14:03:58 right :-) Nov 17 14:04:35 so now cat cover_switch says closed Nov 17 14:05:05 yet dmesg does not say anything about the back lid Nov 17 14:06:38 and .. again there is not even a sniff from sdcard - i tried 3 different Nov 17 14:06:42 strange Nov 17 14:12:21 is there a way to understand if the sdcard slot is detected at all? Nov 17 14:16:12 and dmesg says this : Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods Nov 17 14:16:32 that's normal Nov 17 14:17:10 Gatta_Negra: restart HAL Nov 17 14:17:33 what kernel is that? stock? Nov 17 14:17:42 he reflashed 2 days ago Nov 17 14:17:49 hmm Nov 17 14:18:09 restarting HAL may make your device act funny Nov 17 14:18:40 ask somebody else *how* to restart HAL, maybe freemangordon knows Nov 17 14:19:08 stop hal? Nov 17 14:19:27 "/etc/init.d/hald restart?" Nov 17 14:19:27 freemangordon: you also could try to tak him thru /sys/GPIO/ hack Nov 17 14:19:28 oops Nov 17 14:19:32 it rebooted :D Nov 17 14:19:36 i am a "she" Nov 17 14:19:41 Kate, my pleasure Nov 17 14:19:44 OOH! :-) Nov 17 14:19:53 Hi Kate Nov 17 14:20:09 * freemangordon is reading to backscroll Nov 17 14:20:13 *through Nov 17 14:20:20 so i am waiting for it to boot now Nov 17 14:20:21 welcome, rarely ever female visitors here - a pity Nov 17 14:20:59 I am happy to see so many people that do not hate questions Nov 17 14:21:15 nobody hates *good* questions Nov 17 14:21:20 ;-) Nov 17 14:21:22 I work in the support team for a company and I do now how insane they can be Nov 17 14:21:50 i read about the issue here and there, it seems that this is a big flaw for the model Nov 17 14:22:17 DocScrutinizer05: AFAIK, cover magnet is not the kickstand magnet Nov 17 14:22:18 we had our share of boring questions here, yours are definitely not. You show you're willing to learn and do your "homework" Nov 17 14:22:20 :-D Nov 17 14:22:28 yes it is Nov 17 14:22:41 defintiely Nov 17 14:22:43 sure? ok Nov 17 14:23:09 everybody losing it has same problem Nov 17 14:23:20 ok Nov 17 14:23:28 so I don't even need to confirm on my devices Nov 17 14:23:41 ok, ok, got it :) Nov 17 14:24:01 :-) Nov 17 14:24:12 anyway, for the kernel to report the cover is open, it is either the wrong magnet or faulty sensor Nov 17 14:24:12 the issue (according to me) is that whatever magnet I bring to the device, no matter of the orientation it does not show any signs that there is a magnet around Nov 17 14:24:33 mhm, I have all my fridge magnets on the table. Nov 17 14:24:42 faulty sensor it shoud ve Nov 17 14:25:02 they should be strogn enough for the sensor to act Nov 17 14:25:06 if I enter an MMC card, shall dmesg say something at all? Nov 17 14:25:09 freemangordon: couldn't you finally hack that shitty kernel module? to have a module cmdline paramater "sensor=on" or "sensor=off" or "sensor=file:/cover" ? Nov 17 14:25:37 DocScrutinizer05: I'll check on the schematic, but iirc there is a HW connection somewhere Nov 17 14:26:08 it is a hw connection, but it's unclear if it already *directly* disables uSD VDD Nov 17 14:26:31 the sensort is on CARD_DETECT on MMC IF Nov 17 14:26:56 a pin in the SoC interface for MMC cards Nov 17 14:27:35 but I bet you could at least configure the MMC IF IP behaviour in some register, regarding CARD_DETECT Nov 17 14:27:56 DocScrutinizer51: hmm, iiuc this is gpio160 Nov 17 14:28:18 GPIO160 Nov 17 14:28:30 McBSP1_CLKS Nov 17 14:28:37 T21 Nov 17 14:28:37 so no regulators etc involved Nov 17 14:28:41 pure SW Nov 17 14:28:56 I am going to be dramatic. I live in a post communist country (Bulgaria) . When I was little I wanted a Barbie doll. I never had it. Luxury goods from the open world were forbidden you know.. Then Nokia n900 came out, but I was using Siemens back then. And now I have an HTC, but I just realized that I _wanted_ that n900. so I looked at local 2nd hand adds, I picked adds for 2 weeks and now this :/ Nov 17 14:28:58 check 2nd function Nov 17 14:29:05 Gatta_Negra: hehe Nov 17 14:29:11 it's sth like CARD_DETECT on MMC1 Nov 17 14:29:44 Gatta_Negra: I am bulgarian too Nov 17 14:30:07 however Nov 17 14:30:16 nice :D Nov 17 14:30:51 so now, how would I check the CARD_DETECT thing? Nov 17 14:30:54 do you have some loudspeaker around? Nov 17 14:31:01 amm. Yes Nov 17 14:31:01 Gatta_Negra: either your component N5120 hall detector switch "uSD card hot-swap detection sensor" is broken Nov 17 14:31:31 N5210 sorry Nov 17 14:31:51 or your ESD prot component Z5210 is defect Nov 17 14:32:18 haha Nov 17 14:32:25 I didn't get an n900 when they were new Nov 17 14:32:31 * freemangordon tries to find a loudpeaker to check if it will work for the cover sensor Nov 17 14:32:33 I got one about 3 years leter Nov 17 14:32:35 later Nov 17 14:32:38 or your "CPU" (actually SoC) OMAP3530 CHIP has a defect pin T21 "GPIO_160" Nov 17 14:32:45 then I got another one when I realiesd they'd be extinct soon Nov 17 14:33:08 OR! your R5210 is broken, a very easy fix Nov 17 14:33:29 mm. I thought of buying another WORKING one but I am still hoping to be able to deal with this one Nov 17 14:34:06 well, if you can live with permanently closed lid, you can short the detector Nov 17 14:34:08 i mean if there is a way to put android or stg. else instead of maemo even if sdcard is not working .. I can live with that Nov 17 14:34:25 or remove (cut open) it, depending on logic of this signal Nov 17 14:34:37 hm, how ? Nov 17 14:34:48 with a soldering iron ;-) Nov 17 14:35:02 cool . i have it nearby. Nov 17 14:35:12 it is only what needs to be soldered? Nov 17 14:35:12 or wait for freemangordon to fix the kernel module driver for MMC Nov 17 14:35:32 hmm, this is a nice workaround too Nov 17 14:35:32 wait, we will come up with better diagnostics Nov 17 14:36:18 [2013-11-17 15:28:37] so no regulators etc involved Nov 17 14:36:19 i do wonder about this: the sensor is not working, this is evident. But how to know if the SDcard slot os OK? Is it possible it is broken too? Nov 17 14:36:19 [2013-11-17 15:28:41] pure SW Nov 17 14:36:26 promising remark Nov 17 14:36:28 ;-) Nov 17 14:36:37 Aaaahh Nov 17 14:36:41 i lost a part Nov 17 14:36:49 it just jumped out of my hands Nov 17 14:36:56 there is a tiny metal thingie on the backlid Nov 17 14:37:04 eeew Nov 17 14:37:06 was, now it is somewhere in this room Nov 17 14:37:50 was it important (I know it is, but it seems to be acting like a spring for the kickstand. will this affect the sensor and sdcard issue? Nov 17 14:38:17 you're confortable with torx6/philips00 screws and soldering 0201 components? Nov 17 14:38:47 no, this part is only mechanical Nov 17 14:39:00 afaik Nov 17 14:39:07 ok, I was able to close the cover switch with a magnet from PC fan Nov 17 14:39:30 *but* the direction and exact position seem important Nov 17 14:39:38 of course your whole daughterboard could be defect, incl uSD and camera flashlight Nov 17 14:39:51 torx6 i have one here yes. Nov 17 14:40:00 good Nov 17 14:40:03 0201 is a bit tiny - i am not good with it Nov 17 14:40:11 me neither ;-) Nov 17 14:40:21 DocScrutinizer05: why we exclude the magnet? Nov 17 14:40:37 freemangordon, how to find the direction / Nov 17 14:40:42 for a start you might want to disassemble and *inspect* your mainboard Nov 17 14:41:02 freemangordon: hm? Nov 17 14:41:38 Gatta_Negra: remove the back cover and move/rotate around the place you *think* the sensor is located, judging by the missing magnet place Nov 17 14:41:55 freemangordon: why we think magnet is not the culprit? because Gatta_Negra checked it's there and she checked with other magnets as well Nov 17 14:41:58 Gatta_Negra: before that ssh to the device and do "tail -f /var/log/syslog" Nov 17 14:42:09 without quotes Nov 17 14:42:09 i am ssh in the devic Nov 17 14:42:35 freemangordon: sorry, you're late Nov 17 14:42:36 DocScrutinizer05: yes, but she tried with fridge magnets only iiuc Nov 17 14:42:49 there is no syslog Nov 17 14:42:55 that's absolutely sufficient Nov 17 14:43:15 freemangordon: syslog also obsolete Nov 17 14:43:25 ok, dmesg then Nov 17 14:43:26 there's my watchline above Nov 17 14:43:48 no, whatever magnet I try there dmesg does not say anything related to it Nov 17 14:43:57 freemangordon: the magnet is in place, says Gatta_Negra Nov 17 14:44:21 I confirmed it Nov 17 14:44:31 magnet ruled out Nov 17 14:44:33 i have a loudspeaker magnet, fridges, a bunch of the flat magnets (lik rubber) Nov 17 14:44:48 the magnet is also in the kickstand bed Nov 17 14:44:53 Gatta_Negra: ignore it Nov 17 14:44:53 i tried with a money clip Nov 17 14:45:17 it's already confirmed that magnet is OK Nov 17 14:45:23 hmm, ok Nov 17 14:45:27 i am reluctant about disasembling the device about rignt at that moment Nov 17 14:45:48 yep, better bring it to some service. are you in sofia? Nov 17 14:45:53 i mean it is 17:00 Sunday and if I start now It will take forever Nov 17 14:45:56 you should be, unless we give better instructions HOW to do that Nov 17 14:45:57 freemangordon, yes in Sofia Nov 17 14:46:41 there are a couple of good places you may bring your device for repair, I'll ask a friend of mine where she had her USB port fixed Nov 17 14:46:52 there are pretty good instructions on how to disassemble N900 on youtube. Also pretty bad ones Nov 17 14:47:16 DocScrutinizer05, I have disassembled n95 in the past. and some siemens Nov 17 14:47:17 DocScrutinizer05: is n5210 easily accessible? Nov 17 14:47:43 and easy to be replaced as well Nov 17 14:47:43 it's 6 screws (2 Torx6 and 4 Philips) to remove, and a nasty tiny B2B plug to gently unplug Nov 17 14:48:00 freemangordon: after disassembling yes it is Nov 17 14:48:13 afaik it is not hard to disassemble n900 Nov 17 14:48:21 sits on top of daughterboard Nov 17 14:48:30 n95 has this screen that is always broken so I had mine changed 4 times before I gave up on the model Nov 17 14:48:35 but before that, at least she needs a replacement :) Nov 17 14:48:53 for the hall sensor Nov 17 14:49:04 no way to find it on sunday here :D Nov 17 14:49:10 I thought she first checks what's status of the device, so to find out what's actually broken Nov 17 14:49:34 I could think of some silly user trying to "disable the magnet" Nov 17 14:49:38 hard way Nov 17 14:49:43 and failing epically Nov 17 14:49:48 do you think a faulty hall could be find with a naked eye? Nov 17 14:49:55 hmm, yep, that makes sense Nov 17 14:50:00 no, but a tampered one Nov 17 14:50:16 a broken 0204 R also Nov 17 14:50:20 Gatta_Negra: does the camera work? Nov 17 14:50:30 das the FLASHLIGHT work? Nov 17 14:50:34 device looks very good for a 2nd hand one - on first glance no traces of use , so I am tending to exclude heavy falls, spilled liquids, etc Nov 17 14:50:38 yes the camera is ok Nov 17 14:50:50 DocScrutinizer05: are those zeners in a chip or discrete? Nov 17 14:50:55 camera lid does not start camera unless I do this Nov 17 14:50:56 chip Nov 17 14:51:05 gconftool-2 --type Boolean --set /system/osso/af/mmc-cover-open false Nov 17 14:51:21 sounds good Nov 17 14:51:44 but even without that camera is ok, no faults, no crashes whatsoever Nov 17 14:52:01 I made tons of pictures as I like the carl zeiss optics of nokia very much Nov 17 14:52:07 flashlight?? Nov 17 14:52:13 working OK Nov 17 14:52:34 the camera is basically unrelated, wait it is: camdoor sensor also on the daughterboard Nov 17 14:52:42 :nod: Nov 17 14:52:55 next to hall sensor#;-) Nov 17 14:52:58 there is a light sensor also, right ? Nov 17 14:53:10 that's the door sensor Nov 17 14:53:34 a second , I want to try stg. Nov 17 14:53:36 IR proxi sensor, like the one on front to lock screen when you place phone to ear Nov 17 14:53:39 Gatta_Negra: on the back side? no, afaik Nov 17 14:54:14 freemangordon: IR is light Nov 17 14:54:27 just *you* don't (usually) see it Nov 17 14:54:41 well, i do not know if this is relevant. but: Nov 17 14:54:57 DocScrutinizer05: ORLY? :P Nov 17 14:55:14 Nokia-N900:~# gconftool-2 --get /system/osso/af/mmc-cover-open Nov 17 14:55:14 true Nov 17 14:55:27 in This position , when I open and close camera lid Nov 17 14:55:35 dmesg says i is opened and closed Nov 17 14:55:39 yeah, I guess HAL is doing that. Or ke-recv Nov 17 14:55:39 yet camera does not start Nov 17 14:56:00 if I set this to false camera starts when lid is opened Nov 17 14:56:11 yeah, camera not supposed to start when no backlid detected Nov 17 14:56:21 so this drove me to think there is a light sensor Nov 17 14:56:53 DocScrutinizer05, on n95 camera started when camera lid removed this is why the first hack I used was this :D Nov 17 14:56:53 it's a infraread proxy detector Nov 17 14:56:57 aha Nov 17 14:57:05 it checks the white/black on door slider Nov 17 14:57:13 aaand .. about the sensor for "close to the ear" Nov 17 14:57:24 shall I make a test call to see if it is there and OK? Nov 17 14:57:31 wait Nov 17 14:58:30 yes this one works too - when I put my hand in front of the camera Nov 17 14:58:35 watch cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state Nov 17 14:58:59 front senser ^^^ Nov 17 14:59:03 sensor Nov 17 14:59:17 working all the time Nov 17 14:59:48 yes it is there Nov 17 15:00:12 open all the time unless the phone is in up vertical position close to something - hand , ear .. Nov 17 15:00:30 position shouldn't matter Nov 17 15:00:47 just cover up sensor in upper left corner Nov 17 15:01:01 left to "NOKIA" Nov 17 15:01:57 ~seen Pali Nov 17 15:02:00 right Nov 17 15:02:01 pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 17h 47m 28s ago, saying: 'in gst it is rank property'. Nov 17 15:02:06 position does not matter Nov 17 15:02:32 actually 10mm down from the corner Nov 17 15:02:55 it is actually annoying that camera starts even if the cam lid is closed camera starts if you accidentally hit the button Nov 17 15:03:11 Gatta_Negra: there is a setting for that Nov 17 15:03:18 not here Nov 17 15:03:40 DocScrutinizer05: in stock camera? Nov 17 15:03:46 CSSU Nov 17 15:04:05 yeah, stock does it Nov 17 15:04:15 freemangordon, yes i believe so , yet I consider sdcard not working more important Nov 17 15:04:18 "Show on focusbutton press" Nov 17 15:04:27 Gatta_Negra: for sure Nov 17 15:04:35 can I install android or whatever without sdcard/ Nov 17 15:04:53 freemangordon: do you think you could add that MMC.ko patch I suggested? Nov 17 15:05:07 to ignore the sensor? Nov 17 15:05:09 yep Nov 17 15:05:20 to have a cmdline option Nov 17 15:05:48 sensor=[open|close|file:] Nov 17 15:05:51 uname -a Nov 17 15:05:51 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown -this is what I have at the moment Nov 17 15:05:52 I have to discuss it with pali, but I don't see a reason why not Nov 17 15:06:02 Gatta_Negra: yep, stock kernel Nov 17 15:06:17 \o/ Nov 17 15:06:33 a LOT of users are waiting for such patch for LOOOONG ;-) Nov 17 15:06:35 that is what they give with the maemo flash instructions in 5 AM Nov 17 15:06:50 Gatta_Negra: it is ok Nov 17 15:06:57 yes DocScrutinizer05 the issue seems to be a killer Nov 17 15:07:29 DocScrutinizer05: I'll look through the code, it shouldn't be hard Nov 17 15:07:46 freemangordon: I'm even willing to check friggin TRM for needed setup patches Nov 17 15:07:56 if you can't do that Nov 17 15:08:09 I don;t think this will be needed, it is just a GPIO Nov 17 15:08:46 but I'd prefer you check the code for existing inits that indicate there's a link in hw between GPIO_168 and the uSD VDD supply Nov 17 15:09:06 but this is gpio 160, n0t 168 Nov 17 15:09:10 ok Nov 17 15:09:17 typo Nov 17 15:09:59 i tried putting some module and when it started the loop of rebooting I flashed with wthatever I found . My BF is a programmer, yet I felt very ashamed of the stupidity to add "some module found on the internet" to a working dvice and breaking it this way.. then going to him for help.. so .. now it is in state 0, but at least it works :D Nov 17 15:10:55 Gatta_Negra: you bought the device from ebay? Nov 17 15:11:00 no Nov 17 15:11:02 local add Nov 17 15:11:06 ok Nov 17 15:11:11 prodavalnik :D Nov 17 15:11:16 yeah :D Nov 17 15:11:19 my first purchase there Nov 17 15:11:46 it was my BD present for me :D Nov 17 15:12:07 cute Nov 17 15:12:08 a cool thing it is , that Nokia even without sdcard Nov 17 15:12:26 I am sick of the onscreen keyboards of smartphones Nov 17 15:12:58 can not type fast enough with manicure, or even without it Nov 17 15:13:12 Gatta_Negra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA82LYF64es Nov 17 15:13:15 so the hardware keyboard combined with MyPaint is cool Nov 17 15:13:30 hmm, my friend is online, going to ask her where did she repaired her device Nov 17 15:14:37 Gatta_Negra: be CAREFUL with step 7) Nov 17 15:15:13 it is a flat thing with pins, right? Nov 17 15:15:33 i do not have spare screws here. I will need to buy some first Nov 17 15:15:37 stop with completing step 15) Nov 17 15:16:06 everybody reusing the original screws Nov 17 15:16:08 freemangordon: I haven't heard anything with regards to maintainer for mussorgsky, rtmpdump or get_iplayer and nothing from ifade re mussorgsky either. Nov 17 15:16:35 merlin1991: ping Nov 17 15:16:57 DocScrutinizer05: it is merlin1991 who gives the maintainer right, correct? Nov 17 15:17:02 *rights Nov 17 15:17:12 err usually, when I don't Nov 17 15:17:23 for extras* Nov 17 15:17:26 yes Nov 17 15:18:00 android_808: when did you request maintainership? some week ago? Nov 17 15:19:20 Gatta_Negra: "thing with pins?" please elaborate Nov 17 15:19:37 DocScrutinizer05, would you recommend me doing disassemble now? If so, what to look for in there? Nov 17 15:20:08 Ok, think i just found a small tmo bug whilst trying to answer that ;) Nov 17 15:20:28 DocScrutinizer05, well the brown connector the an on the video is removing seem to be like the other ones I have seen - brown plate with pins on it, so the reason to be careful is not to harm the pins Nov 17 15:20:33 if you feel comfortable with the disassembly instruction, the you may go ahead, and inspect the daughterboard for visible mechanical damage Nov 17 15:21:02 I mean if pins are not what I am looking to keep intact what is the danger? Nov 17 15:21:03 not exactly pins, but basically yes Nov 17 15:21:44 it's a http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/5000275091_sd.pdf Nov 17 15:21:47 android_808: did you request to be the maintainer of those packages in the package interface? sorry, I forgot :) Nov 17 15:21:55 freemangordon: you replied to me on Monday so I think I probably sent it last Sunday. TMO doesn't seem to be recording sent messages so I can't tell if ifade got messages or not. Nov 17 15:22:08 Yes, via package interface Nov 17 15:22:48 Gatta_Negra: lift in *the middle*, NOT at one of the small sides Nov 17 15:23:00 lift with a credit card or the like Nov 17 15:23:03 gently Nov 17 15:23:33 freemangordon: ignore tmo comment, it appears by default setting for saving sent items has disabled itself at some stage. Nov 17 15:23:45 Gatta_Negra: NEVER bend the flex ribbon Nov 17 15:23:48 hmm. i have the plastic tool they are using Nov 17 15:23:52 android_808: ok, I'll pester merlin1991 and DocScrutinizer05, you can do it as well ;) Nov 17 15:24:25 * DocScrutinizer05 whistles and pretends to not be around Nov 17 15:24:26 android_808: but not now, DocScrutinizer05 is in the middle of a delicate remote surgery :D Nov 17 15:25:21 ...and I'm busy to checkread a new PCB before it gets manufactured, and we don't want any bugs in that either Nov 17 15:25:45 freemangordon: so i see, missed start of conversation so i can only guess what his trying to fix. Nov 17 15:27:12 Gatta_Negra: next you get good pictures of mainboard, e.g. on my server: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_01.jpeg Nov 17 15:28:24 DocScrutinizer51: for the Neo? Nov 17 15:28:39 yes Nov 17 15:29:12 sweet Nov 17 15:29:15 Gatta_Negra: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/11/17/plasma-desktopLA3743.png is the sensor and the resistor (I'm guessing for the resistor). Check those two components for any visible damage Nov 17 15:30:08 sorry, that's NOT the resistor but a capacitor Nov 17 15:30:59 but anyway, the tine 4-leged black thing is the magnet sensor component Nov 17 15:31:05 tiny Nov 17 15:32:00 if somebody messed around with it then it's clear what to replace and fix Nov 17 15:32:27 I don't think anything else would be target of a fool's mods Nov 17 15:33:36 if you can't find any replacement, last aid is shorting or removing (== cut open. Depending on logic of this chip) two of the 4 legs of the black thing Nov 17 15:33:49 DocScrutinizer05, Nov 17 15:34:04 i found the issue :( Nov 17 15:34:12 oooh Nov 17 15:34:25 little rectangular thing fll out Nov 17 15:34:28 ell* Nov 17 15:34:32 tc. Fell Nov 17 15:34:36 the sensor chip? Nov 17 15:34:50 hmm, that's good news IMO Nov 17 15:35:00 i do not know. seems in the shape of 0201 Nov 17 15:35:09 what color? Nov 17 15:35:10 let me see where it fell from Nov 17 15:35:12 black Nov 17 15:35:25 does it look like http://wstaw.org/m/2013/11/17/plasma-desktopLA3743.png ? Nov 17 15:36:12 though that's more like 1208 Nov 17 15:36:16 not 0402 Nov 17 15:36:27 0201 we don't even have on N900 Nov 17 15:36:35 http://wstaw.org/m/2013/11/17/plasma-desktopLA3743.png Nov 17 15:36:52 one thing is missing on my board, compared with that picture Nov 17 15:36:57 the big black one Nov 17 15:37:02 yes, the sensor Nov 17 15:37:05 good news Nov 17 15:37:07 mhm Nov 17 15:37:25 not so good as I'd have to learh now to put it back :D Nov 17 15:37:34 lemme check which two pins you need to short Nov 17 15:37:34 at least YOU ARE GREAT! Nov 17 15:38:16 according to schematics you need to short pin2 and pin3 Nov 17 15:38:54 sorry. how to know which are they? Nov 17 15:39:04 i did not educate in elecronics Nov 17 15:39:25 Gatta_Negra, who did touch your n900? IMHO people, who are able to do such damage shouldn't touch any electronic device even, when it is fully assembled. Nov 17 15:39:34 sorry, even I have a hard time figuring which pin is which Nov 17 15:40:06 DocScrutinizer05: isn't there a dot on the right side of the sensor on that picture Nov 17 15:40:08 WizardNumberNext, it is 2nd hand Nov 17 15:40:16 I'm trying hard to come up with a way to find out. Seems this chip has only 3 pads, not 4? Nov 17 15:40:22 it is too blurry to be sure Nov 17 15:40:31 3 - one bigger and two smaller Nov 17 15:40:45 OOOOH then the bigger one is 1 Nov 17 15:40:48 :-) Nov 17 15:40:55 Doc, do you have higher-res photo? There should be small deperession on chip near to pin 1 Nov 17 15:41:12 [2013-11-17 16:27:12] Gatta_Negra: next you get good pictures of mainboard, e.g. on my server: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_01.jpeg Nov 17 15:41:29 should be highres enough for all reasonable purposes Nov 17 15:41:34 I scanned them Nov 17 15:41:42 DocScrutinizer05: wouldn;t it be easier to put the sensor back than connecting 2 and 3? Nov 17 15:42:00 freemangordon: SMT, with an iron? Nov 17 15:42:14 but yes, we might thing about that option Nov 17 15:42:24 seems there is enough free space around to solder it Nov 17 15:42:25 only need to think of *HOW* to do that Nov 17 15:42:37 :nod: Nov 17 15:42:39 http://wstaw.org/m/2013/11/17/plasma-desktopLA3743.png this is what I am looking . Look at the bottom right corner. lift glance up. there is a black chip and a brown one. The black is not attached to my board Nov 17 15:43:07 Gatta_Negra: that one detects the magnet Nov 17 15:43:25 yes i am just explaining in details what happens here Nov 17 15:43:38 DocScrutinizer05: gas iron I guess is the safest bet Nov 17 15:43:44 i do believe shorting them is not a good idea Nov 17 15:43:49 looking on the scan, I think it should be possible to solder sensor with ordinary soldering iron Nov 17 15:44:01 DocScrutinizer05: or bringing the board in some repair centre Nov 17 15:44:02 maybe Nov 17 15:44:02 do you think there are people that can solder this on place ? Nov 17 15:44:12 sure Nov 17 15:44:23 yes, there *are* people who can do this Nov 17 15:44:31 cause I do not think I will be good enough Nov 17 15:44:36 to do this Nov 17 15:44:40 it seems too tiny Nov 17 15:44:49 uhh i hate this :D Nov 17 15:45:02 but it needs reflow, can't get done with iron Nov 17 15:45:10 the chip does not have "legs" Nov 17 15:45:13 but it have be cleaned from any residue of tin, PCB have to receive just a touch of high quality rosin or similar product (best ould one which is half-liquid, half-solid) Nov 17 15:45:19 yes, no legs Nov 17 15:45:25 it's a "BGA" Nov 17 15:45:37 DocScrutinizer05: maybe the best option for her is to bring the board and the sensor to some repair centre Nov 17 15:45:45 3pin Ball Grid Array Nov 17 15:45:53 freemangordon, do you still live in BG? Nov 17 15:45:57 yes Nov 17 15:45:57 yes, definitely Nov 17 15:46:06 they will just laugh I think Nov 17 15:46:12 ups BGA is only reflow - hot-air gun - makes matter much easier, but first you need to have one Nov 17 15:46:20 slap their face when they laugh! Nov 17 15:46:21 Gatta_Negra: no, why should they? Nov 17 15:47:03 I need to change my main phone over to my pentesting phone, and then use my battered up speaker not quite working phoen as the "pentesting phone" Nov 17 15:47:05 freemangordon, i hate to say that but I do believe in cases like this they say" better buy a new phone" Nov 17 15:47:19 how do I transfer all my crap? Nov 17 15:47:25 ~bm Nov 17 15:47:25 it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Nov 17 15:47:26 Gatta_Negra: depends where you bring it Nov 17 15:47:54 Gear_: NB BM does NOT save/rstore *kernel* Nov 17 15:48:10 what is nm bm Nov 17 15:48:31 ~bm Nov 17 15:48:31 somebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Nov 17 15:48:37 Nota Bene Nov 17 15:48:53 aka "watch out" Nov 17 15:48:56 I want my contacts and shit, and programs Nov 17 15:49:02 Gatta_Negra: BTW my friend said she wouldn't recommend the guys that repaired her USB port Nov 17 15:49:11 I haven't made any kernel changes that I can remember Nov 17 15:49:15 Gear, for restore you nead to have exactly same kernel as you had, when making backup Nov 17 15:49:19 I'm running cssu Nov 17 15:49:35 cssu is not changing kernel Nov 17 15:49:38 cool. now. i will assemble the nokia again. if you happen to know s.one fixing this kind of stuff I am all ears :D Nov 17 15:49:39 which one is important question Nov 17 15:50:03 but if it's cssu on a different phone, is that a different kernel? Nov 17 15:50:09 Gatta_Negra: sorry, off for some coffee. highlight me if any further questions Nov 17 15:50:38 Gatta_Negra: also ping me when somebody misbehaves in channel and makes you feel unconfortable, please Nov 17 15:50:52 Gatta_Negra: there are lots of shops in sofia they repair mobiles as well Nov 17 15:51:07 Gear_, you need to install different kernel manualy to change it, no soft would change it without your knowledge and expressed wish Nov 17 15:51:25 just give them a call tomorrow and ask if they can do BGA reflow Nov 17 15:51:27 ok cool. Nov 17 15:51:44 so do not worry, if you didn't install any kernel, then you have stock kernel Nov 17 15:52:10 it is your choice, if you need different kernel Nov 17 15:52:23 when I first got the phone I used power kernel, now I use cssu Nov 17 15:52:45 I've had it about 3 years I think? Nov 17 15:52:56 BM is very usuful - I store all my backups on my server and I can access their contents any time Nov 17 15:53:01 and I got another one as a backup for when this one died, because it's a phone Nov 17 15:53:21 freemangordon: Gatta_Negra: 3pin reflow!! Nov 17 15:53:30 did you ever reflashed or uninstall KP (kernel-power) or install different kernel? Nov 17 15:53:41 DocScrutinizer05: :nod: Nov 17 15:54:05 it's a different challenge than reflowing a 800 ball SoC Nov 17 15:54:08 it said a seamless upgrade so I'm pretty sure I just let cssu do it's thing because it said it was compatible, or possibly evne needed it? Nov 17 15:54:35 you *almost* could do it with iron Nov 17 15:54:53 mm. I will try to find s.one. and I will come in the channel regularly Nov 17 15:55:00 omly almsot, but in the end not really Nov 17 15:55:02 I thank you soo soo much! Nov 17 15:55:07 DocScrutinizer05: yeah :D. BTW we have station in our office, though I don't know if it is only vacuum or has hot air too Nov 17 15:55:19 Gear_, just to make sure what kernel yopu have: use X terminal and type uname -r Nov 17 15:55:22 now knowing hte source of the issue I am happier even in that situation Nov 17 15:55:26 Gatta_Negra: you're welcome! :-) Nov 17 15:56:00 has anyone got any experience with obexctl from bluez 5.10? Nov 17 15:56:25 android_808: ask freemangordon Nov 17 15:56:33 android_808, I didn't know there is bluez 5 Nov 17 15:56:36 he knows the guy who might Nov 17 15:56:54 android_808: ask luf, if you manage to catch him on #maemo-ssu Nov 17 15:57:01 ~seen luf Nov 17 15:57:03 luf <~luf@ip-89-103-184-55.net.upcbroadband.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 67d 23h 10m 1s ago, saying: 'Because current cssu-t has a bug in file browsing.'. Nov 17 15:57:34 hmm, I can bet I saw him a couple of days ago Nov 17 15:57:50 maybe luf__ Nov 17 15:58:07 nameserv is your friend ;-) Nov 17 15:58:22 naah, too complicated for me :D Nov 17 15:58:27 [2013-11-17 16:58:16] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : Nov 15 19:22:01 2013 (1 day, 20:36:15 ago) Nov 17 15:59:06 bot only sees users who SAY something Nov 17 15:59:13 never really used irc before today so way beyond me at the mo Nov 17 16:00:33 android_808: /join #maemo-ssu + wait for user "luf" Nov 17 16:01:26 /msg nickserv info luf Nov 17 16:03:16 or try /query luf and start with "sorry pestering you in private query..." Nov 17 16:04:24 refer him to https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-11-17.log.html#t2013-11-17T17:58:07 Nov 17 16:04:33 I told you to do so Nov 17 16:06:11 DocScrutinizer05: Will do, got it open in a tab. Trying to do some more experimenting with bluez (MAP+PBAP). Laptop constantly dropping bluetooth with bluez4 due to an issue with pulseaudio. As a result its forced my hand to upgrade to bluez5 and a more recent pulseaudio, but that changes all obex related tests to obexctl. Nov 17 16:06:53 All laptop side. Nov 17 16:07:46 bluez is a nightmare Nov 17 16:12:02 Its a case of get on thing working, something stops. Now testing has become harder because gnome3 & gvfs no longer does obex transfer/browsing from what I can tell (Archlinux+XFCE here) Nov 17 16:21:54 gvfs, another abomination Nov 17 16:22:27 though, it can't be THAT bad, Poettering doesn't like it Nov 17 16:22:50 ;-P Nov 17 16:23:19 DocScrutinizer05: think i need to learn irc commands. Thought i needed to do /query luf blabla. Long message disappeared and just opened new dialog tab in hexchat :( Nov 17 16:24:06 some starting point: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml Nov 17 16:24:21 not ideal, but has some good info about freenode Nov 17 16:25:42 using a convenient IRC client also helps a lot Nov 17 16:25:51 I dunno hexchat Nov 17 16:26:29 I started with Konversation, and on maemo devices I always use xchat Nov 17 16:27:51 from android_808: HexChat 2.9.6 / Linux 3.12.0-1-ARCH [i686/800.50MHz/SMP] I conclude you're using an android tablet Nov 17 16:28:13 ooh, Archlinux Nov 17 16:28:28 sorry ;-D Nov 17 16:28:53 Will do later. Laptop running low on battery, charging phone because don't yet have Bluez5 and networking up and running again yet, needs more gnome stuff to work Nov 17 16:29:18 :) Nov 17 16:37:25 It wasn't a tablet, was my Eee 1000. battery died, but at least it charged N900. Off home to charge it Nov 17 16:38:39 i assembled it Nov 17 16:38:50 it is as before :D Nov 17 16:39:01 i mean it boots. etc. Nov 17 16:39:12 (i did not expect stg. else ) Nov 17 16:39:36 I am going afk, and I thank you once again for all the help! Nov 17 22:56:59 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1387162#post1387162 Nov 17 22:57:24 Gatta_Negra: YW Nov 17 22:57:27 :-) Nov 18 02:25:52 some time ago (years) I tried to install the wifi hotspot on my n900, but it needed a different kernel and that broke the camera. Have things improved now and can I get a wifi hotspot to work without causing other issues ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 18 02:59:59 2013