**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 30 02:59:59 2013
Nov 30 10:27:32 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_U91ipVWsF_2EiG3s6BKA
Nov 30 10:29:49 <freemangordon> no sound?
Nov 30 10:30:23 <DocScrutinizer05> sometimes broken, livestream works now
Nov 30 10:30:31 <freemangordon> yep
Nov 30 10:31:05 <freemangordon> in german :(
Nov 30 10:31:12 <slyon> the 2nd talk is in english
Nov 30 10:31:17 <slyon> and the slides were in english
Nov 30 10:31:43 <DocScrutinizer05> the currently ending livestream been english, with sound
Nov 30 10:32:21 <slyon> sound has been a little broken in the first few minutes of the 2nd talk but then it worked
Nov 30 10:33:41 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pPCvdnneTs&noredirect=1
Nov 30 10:43:29 <freemangordon> for me the audio is brokken all the time
Nov 30 10:43:35 <Sicelo> help please. when i receive sms/chat, etc, i get the yellow notification on the dashboard, but tapping on it just closes it and does not take me to Converstations application. i have to go the 'manually.' Any idea why?
Nov 30 10:54:14 <Sicelo> i guess this could be on tmo, but i can't find it
Nov 30 14:38:00 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bbfT-Qqw1M&noredirect=1
Nov 30 14:38:06 <DocScrutinizer05> smart watches
Nov 30 15:43:26 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWPmXxq1MdQ  Neo900 the next N900 - Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Nov 30 16:14:21 <grr> 'lo ;)
Nov 30 16:14:25 <kerio> hi
Nov 30 16:17:36 <lexik> hi :)
Nov 30 16:21:31 <grr> ... never expected so many maemo fans/users
Nov 30 16:21:39 <grr> ;)
Nov 30 16:22:34 <Sicelo> lol
Nov 30 16:22:41 <Sicelo> reason?
Nov 30 16:23:22 <grr> i'm being here for the first time 
Nov 30 16:24:02 <grr> n900 was never too popular.
Nov 30 16:24:48 <Wizzup> super popular
Nov 30 16:24:53 <Wizzup> \o/ \o/ ~o~
Nov 30 16:26:30 <grr> i thought i was the only one, who is still using it.
Nov 30 16:26:39 <Sicelo> :p
Nov 30 16:27:03 <Sicelo> it is loved much more than you can imagine
Nov 30 16:27:21 <Sicelo> ~neo900
Nov 30 16:27:21 <infobot> i heard neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/
Nov 30 16:27:55 <Sicelo> grr: ^^ the result of N900 love
Nov 30 16:28:13 <grr> is there any chance it would be actually produced?
Nov 30 16:47:28 <MohammadAG> grr, iiuc the chips are already ready
Nov 30 16:47:36 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer05, feel free to stab me if I'm incorrect :p
Nov 30 16:47:53 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
Nov 30 16:48:20 <MohammadAG> <grr> is there any chance it would be actually produced?
Nov 30 16:48:24 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> grr, iiuc the chips are already ready
Nov 30 16:48:48 <DocScrutinizer05> we don't produce chips
Nov 30 16:48:50 <MohammadAG> you already have the SoC and other parts right?
Nov 30 16:48:52 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Nov 30 16:49:06 <MohammadAG> well yeah, but you have parts from previous openmoko devices
Nov 30 16:49:06 <DocScrutinizer05> we have a first proto with a working modem on it
Nov 30 16:49:12 <grr> so they are probably binary compatible with N900, so the proprietary blobs can work, ritht?
Nov 30 16:49:16 <DocScrutinizer05> see youtube presentation
Nov 30 16:49:21 <MohammadAG> yes
Nov 30 16:49:50 <DocScrutinizer05> we have to do some adaption work
Nov 30 16:49:54 <DocScrutinizer05> see
Nov 30 16:49:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fptf
Nov 30 16:49:57 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
Nov 30 16:50:28 <DocScrutinizer05> modem is completely different than BB5 in N900 - Thank God for that!
Nov 30 16:50:48 <DocScrutinizer05> again: see presentation
Nov 30 16:50:54 <MohammadAG> OMG OMG OMG that means the dialer can be replaced!
Nov 30 16:50:59 <DocScrutinizer05> couldn't get done with a BB5
Nov 30 16:51:26 <DocScrutinizer05> err yes, or this way
Nov 30 16:51:36 <grr> What was wrong with the N900 modem? i thought it was great. At least it was much better than N9.
Nov 30 16:51:45 <DocScrutinizer05> PxS8 will work with every standard dialer
Nov 30 16:53:21 <MohammadAG> grr, the interface was closed source
Nov 30 16:53:32 <MohammadAG> the dialer was crap and couldn't be replaced without major RE
Nov 30 16:54:58 <grr> ic
Nov 30 16:56:42 <grr> lot of stuff is proprietary and cannot be done open source, i guess.
Nov 30 17:00:03 <winocm> the neo900 seems like an interesting project.
Nov 30 17:00:26 <grr> very
Nov 30 17:01:10 <MohammadAG> indeed, I'd very much like it to succeed
Nov 30 17:02:54 <grr> so far there is nothing that can replace ageing N900 and I doubt that Jolla can produce the handset that could possibly replace it.
Nov 30 17:03:32 <winocm> i'd like it to run xnu ;)
Nov 30 17:04:24 <MohammadAG> It should do that OOTB I guess
Nov 30 17:04:28 <winocm> yeah
Nov 30 17:04:43 <winocm> beaglexm has a dm3730 i believe
Nov 30 17:04:49 <MohammadAG> winocm, off topic, but the 2012 Nexus 7 might be able to do that too
Nov 30 17:05:08 <winocm> Tegra3?
Nov 30 17:05:14 <MohammadAG> was mucking around the other day and read it's an ARM A9 coupled with a Tegra 3
Nov 30 17:05:20 <MohammadAG> I didn't exactly check if that was true
Nov 30 17:05:29 <winocm> yeah, i don't have so much experience with tegra socs
Nov 30 17:05:34 <winocm> it's really Apple ones and OMAP
Nov 30 17:06:04 <MohammadAG> ARM Cortex-A9 Nvidia Tegra 3 T30L 1.2 GHz quad-core (1.3 GHz single-core mode) 1MB L2 cache
Nov 30 17:06:18 <MohammadAG> Wouldn't it work without HW acceleration?
Nov 30 17:06:24 <winocm> Cortex-A9 is a slightly weird beast
Nov 30 17:07:17 <winocm> A15 made is slightly better, i believe
Nov 30 17:07:20 <MohammadAG> was slightly surprised to see the N9 was an A8
Nov 30 17:07:24 <winocm> but i'm not really a fan of the PL310
Nov 30 17:07:28 <MohammadAG> I was almost sure it was an A9
Nov 30 17:07:55 <winocm> omap3 is cortex-a8 exclusively
Nov 30 17:10:28 <grr> Wayland hack with libhybris was very clever thing they have done.
Nov 30 17:15:58 <DocScrutinizer05> N9 has a 3630
Nov 30 17:16:05 <DocScrutinizer05> or 3640
Nov 30 17:16:17 <DocScrutinizer05> so clearly Cortex A8
Nov 30 17:16:23 <freemangordon>  3630 iirc
Nov 30 17:17:41 <winocm> omap3630, yes
Nov 30 17:27:16 <thedead1440_> DocScrutinizer05: congratulations on the presentation! I can't remember the last time I saw a presentation that was this honest and made you feel happy to be witnessing it instead of just desiring the product as a techie... 
Nov 30 17:27:42 <DocScrutinizer05> hey, thanks! :-)
Nov 30 17:27:46 <thedead1440_> No marketing bs at last
Nov 30 17:27:50 <grr> Very interesting thread about ftpf.
Nov 30 17:27:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, niklaus is awesome
Nov 30 17:28:32 <DocScrutinizer05> I would never have started this project if it wasn't Nikolaus
Nov 30 17:28:33 <thedead1440_> Indeed. He makes you feel part of the process. 
Nov 30 17:28:50 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I helped a bit on that ;-)
Nov 30 17:28:57 <thedead1440_> Hehe
Nov 30 17:29:21 <DocScrutinizer05> Even Nikolaus didn't think this could work
Nov 30 17:29:33 <DocScrutinizer05> but I convinced him
Nov 30 17:29:56 <thedead1440_> Props to you for daring this :) 
Nov 30 17:30:36 <DocScrutinizer05> well, without dos1 we probably would be nowhere yet
Nov 30 17:31:14 <DocScrutinizer05> he simply *made* neo900.org website
Nov 30 17:32:33 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.openphoenux.org/ohsw2013/
Nov 30 17:32:35 <thedead1440_> Yeah the three of you have done a brilliant job so far. Hopefully this continues and Neo900 gets the success it deserves. 
Nov 30 17:39:35 <grr> crazy idea.
Nov 30 17:39:39 <grr> love it
Nov 30 18:56:39 <vi_> hi
Nov 30 19:00:14 <vi_> is there some equivalent for httpsanywhere on the n900?
Nov 30 19:01:53 <Pali> vi_: just install firefox xpi extension, it working fine on n900
Nov 30 19:05:35 <vi_> cheers pali.  I hope you enjoyed your pizza :)
Nov 30 19:05:53 <Pali> :-)
Nov 30 20:03:06 <Gatta_Negra> being as idiotic my question as it is ... is fennec the only browser? 
Nov 30 20:03:26 <Gatta_Negra> i mean opera is too slow, the built in has too little features 
Nov 30 20:03:30 <Gatta_Negra> so there is fennec 
Nov 30 20:03:43 <Gatta_Negra> but it can not play flash or mp4
Nov 30 20:03:49 <Gatta_Negra> can I install something newer/ 
Nov 30 20:06:59 <vi_> ...
Nov 30 20:07:12 <vi_> you can use chrome through a debian chroot.
Nov 30 20:07:22 <vi_> but it is slow to startup.
Nov 30 20:07:38 <vi_> what feature is microb missing?
Nov 30 20:09:57 * wmarone shudders at the thought of starting chromium via debian chroot on the N900
Nov 30 20:10:07 <DocScrutinizer05> haha
Nov 30 20:10:19 <DocScrutinizer05> I heard FireFox is faster than fenec
Nov 30 20:10:52 <DocScrutinizer05> thi sbeen 2 or 3 years ago though
Nov 30 20:19:22 <Gatta_Negra> hmm  . chromium i do not like personally
Nov 30 20:19:50 <Gatta_Negra> aha, and to share - no news with soldering yet. I am doing it january
Nov 30 20:41:46 <DocScrutinizer05> well, you got the kernel patch, which should go a long way
Nov 30 20:44:28 <DocScrutinizer05> btw Neo900 has a switch in card reader that should get used to do the hard umounting and switch-off of uSD, so the magnet switch is a) not needed any more, and b) free to do other nice stuff with it, like preparing device for battery hotswap
Nov 30 20:45:18 <Gatta_Negra> I am not actually using it at the moment. You say it is a patch for the new kernel? 
Nov 30 20:45:24 <DocScrutinizer05> which of course will be configurabel since it's defined by me ;-)
Nov 30 20:45:26 <Gatta_Negra> Did I miss something
Nov 30 20:45:45 <Gatta_Negra> DocScrutinizer05, this neo900 thing sounds really attractive 
Nov 30 20:45:49 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, I thought you came up with the patch in tmo
Nov 30 20:46:05 <Gatta_Negra> yes we are working on it but it is not ready yet
Nov 30 20:46:10 <Gatta_Negra> anyway we know how to do it
Nov 30 20:46:37 <Gatta_Negra> i paused that for some time, yet when ready we will let anyone interested know 
Nov 30 20:46:54 <Gatta_Negra>  Do you take part in neo900 development? 
Nov 30 21:10:31 <grr> only fennec? how about iceweasel?
Nov 30 21:21:11 <DocScrutinizer05> Gatta_Negra: who, me?
Nov 30 21:21:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~joerg
Nov 30 21:22:00 <infobot> joerg is, like, a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer
Nov 30 23:45:00 <freemangordon> Gatta_Negra: actually the man behind Neo900 is DocScrutinizer05
Nov 30 23:45:31 <Gatta_Negra> :D 
Nov 30 23:45:48 <Gatta_Negra> he gave himself up unwillingly 
Nov 30 23:46:19 <Gatta_Negra> aaaan then willingly also
Nov 30 23:46:24 <freemangordon> hmm? can't parse :)
Nov 30 23:46:44 <Gatta_Negra> and i ca nnot type 
Nov 30 23:46:57 <Gatta_Negra> ne said he is 
Nov 30 23:47:33 <Gatta_Negra> i am sorry i am distracted 
Nov 30 23:47:35 <freemangordon> however, joerg_rw is DocScrutinizer05, check who started the thread on TMO http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
Nov 30 23:47:39 <freemangordon> nevermind
Nov 30 23:48:54 <freemangordon> Gatta_Negra: on a serious note - what is the problem with microb?
Nov 30 23:49:18 <freemangordon> I use it to browse desktop facebook with no problem
Nov 30 23:49:19 <Gatta_Negra> sorry , problem with what? 
Nov 30 23:49:28 <Gatta_Negra> the browser? default one? 
Nov 30 23:49:31 <freemangordon> microb is the stock browser
Nov 30 23:49:33 <freemangordon> yep
Nov 30 23:49:51 <Gatta_Negra> using wi-fi I wait 5 mins to open faceboo 
Nov 30 23:50:05 <Gatta_Negra> and no flash videos 
Nov 30 23:50:06 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Nov 30 23:50:13 <Gatta_Negra> says flash is too old 
Nov 30 23:50:21 <freemangordon> flash 10 is old?
Nov 30 23:50:26 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, it's like 9.x flash
Nov 30 23:50:27 <Gatta_Negra> i do not have 10
Nov 30 23:50:46 <freemangordon> well, just install it
Nov 30 23:51:15 <DocScrutinizer05> 9.x with so many flash 10 backports that it's prolly better than the leaked flash10
Nov 30 23:51:26 <freemangordon> no, it is not
Nov 30 23:51:33 <Gatta_Negra> how? i can not see where to install addons from 
Nov 30 23:51:35 <freemangordon> 10 is better, just a bit slower
Nov 30 23:52:16 <freemangordon> Gatta_Negra: also, you may want to install cssu-thumb
Nov 30 23:52:22 <freemangordon> ~cssu-thumb
Nov 30 23:52:23 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb
Nov 30 23:52:23 <DocScrutinizer05> many users patch their flash9 to "10" and are happy
Nov 30 23:54:08 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: :nod:
Nov 30 23:54:18 <freemangordon> but 10 is not that bad as you might think
Nov 30 23:56:52 <freemangordon> Gatta_Negra: cssu-thumb is what makes n900 way faster than stok. though it is based on cssu-testing, so it is up to you to decide
Nov 30 23:56:58 <freemangordon> stock even
Dec 01 00:01:03 <DocScrutinizer05> even I would use thumb meanwhile. What i'd not pick again is cssu-testing
Dec 01 00:01:27 <freemangordon> O.o
Dec 01 00:01:43 * freemangordon can't believe his eyes :P
Dec 01 00:01:53 <DocScrutinizer05> had too many severy issues that slipped QA
Dec 01 00:02:04 <DocScrutinizer05> severe*
Dec 01 00:02:44 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: thumb considered 100% evalutaed for stability and regressions, in my book
Dec 01 00:02:48 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: TBH I am not aware of anything broken in -thumb as of now. Besides it forces you to use nokicam
Dec 01 00:03:25 <DocScrutinizer05> it's not current state, it's the disasters in the past that would've killed me
Dec 01 00:03:26 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: naah, I remember our "wars" here, back in the days...
Dec 01 00:03:53 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, it been new and untested back when
Dec 01 00:04:08 <freemangordon> sure :)
Dec 01 00:04:21 <DocScrutinizer05> meanwhile I guess a hundred users running it day by day since a year or sth
Dec 01 00:04:38 <DocScrutinizer05> any odds should've shown up meanwhile
Dec 01 00:04:41 <freemangordon> a couple of hundreds afaik
Dec 01 00:05:03 <cehteh> grr my n900 suizided
Dec 01 00:05:16 <DocScrutinizer05> AAAAAAARGH!!!
Dec 01 00:05:29 <freemangordon> maybe I should ask merlin1991 to do some statistics when I push the next update
Dec 01 00:05:30 <DocScrutinizer05> how that?
Dec 01 00:05:35 <cehteh> vibration alarm made it jump from the table while plugged in ... usb came loose
Dec 01 00:05:42 <freemangordon> oh
Dec 01 00:05:46 <DocScrutinizer05> FSCK!!!
Dec 01 00:06:10 <freemangordon> bad luck :(
Dec 01 00:06:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ~usbfix
Dec 01 00:06:16 <infobot> it has been said that usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Dec 01 00:06:27 <cehteh> i bet jolla employs some voodoo priestess to stick needels in knitted mobiles now
Dec 01 00:06:50 <cehteh> i once did that seems some traces are ripped of
Dec 01 00:06:59 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, CTO called Neo900 a "nice project"
Dec 01 00:07:10 <cehteh> and thats friggen hard to solder because this metal case neearby
Dec 01 00:07:13 <freemangordon> yeah, how cute :D
Dec 01 00:07:29 <freemangordon> (nice project that is)
Dec 01 00:07:42 <DocScrutinizer05> cehteh: cut away the metal case
Dec 01 00:07:48 <DocScrutinizer05> brute force
Dec 01 00:07:53 <cehteh> is there a chance to get spare usb connectors? .. complete resoldering?
Dec 01 00:08:01 <DocScrutinizer05> easypeasy
Dec 01 00:08:11 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: toldya, you can't make a new whorehouse with the same old whores
Dec 01 00:08:11 <DocScrutinizer05> for spare connectors
Dec 01 00:08:37 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds about right
Dec 01 00:08:55 <cehteh> i mean songle piece not 10000 on a reel or $20 for shipping
Dec 01 00:09:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder if they afain use BustZone
Dec 01 00:09:25 <DocScrutinizer05> cehteh: check ebay
Dec 01 00:09:33 <DocScrutinizer05> 5 for 3$
Dec 01 00:09:37 <DocScrutinizer05> or sth
Dec 01 00:09:47 <merlin1991> dealextreme 10 for 0.89$ or something
Dec 01 00:10:21 <freemangordon> what about farnell?
Dec 01 00:10:35 <DocScrutinizer05> or you get the "ORIGINAL NOKIA spare part blablabla" for 4.80
Dec 01 00:10:55 <DocScrutinizer05> farnell has min order 30$ or sth
Dec 01 00:11:19 <DocScrutinizer05> actually farnell doesn't sell at all on detail
Dec 01 00:11:25 <freemangordon> merlin1991: how hard is it to run some statistics the next time I isuue an update to cssu-thumb?
Dec 01 00:11:39 <Gatta_Negra> i tried to buy a nokia xpress music 5??? touchscreen replacement from a German man from Hmaburg and he cheated and sent me some useless piece of plasic 
Dec 01 00:11:55 <Gatta_Negra> all chinese sellers never lied to me and now this 
Dec 01 00:12:25 <merlin1991> freemangordon: easypeasy, you need to tell me beforehand though, because the server has no http access logs atm
Dec 01 00:12:42 <DocScrutinizer05> touchscreen != LCD display
Dec 01 00:13:00 <freemangordon> merlin1991: sure, I'll pester you in advance
Dec 01 00:14:00 <freemangordon> merlin1991: btw, how's the new update developing? do you need any help?
Dec 01 00:14:07 <DocScrutinizer05> I eventually should check the apache logs of repo
Dec 01 00:14:22 <DocScrutinizer05> to evaluate the recent number of active devices out there
Dec 01 00:14:47 <DocScrutinizer05> window one week
Dec 01 00:15:05 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: iirc merlin1991 has a script that was filtering by IP address
Dec 01 00:15:08 <DocScrutinizer05> or one day and then *7 ?
Dec 01 00:15:08 <Gatta_Negra> DocScrutinizer05, touchscreen s the front screen in front of the display. And the ribbon is misplaced so it is useless
Dec 01 00:15:11 <freemangordon> or rather counting
Dec 01 00:15:22 <DocScrutinizer05> Gatta_Negra: dang
Dec 01 00:15:29 <DocScrutinizer05> then they got it wrong
Dec 01 00:15:36 <DocScrutinizer05> german sellers rarely cheat
Dec 01 00:15:49 <DocScrutinizer05> well, maybe abroad orders are different
Dec 01 00:15:53 <Gatta_Negra> strange is that description phto shows the correct part
Dec 01 00:16:10 <Gatta_Negra> and what I got looks different and is different 
Dec 01 00:16:31 <freemangordon> Gatta_Negra: hmm, why you had to order it from Germany?
Dec 01 00:16:34 <DocScrutinizer05> then it's been his fault and you should send back the part and ask for the correct part or money back
Dec 01 00:16:37 <freemangordon> *do you
Dec 01 00:17:21 <DocScrutinizer05> Gatta_Negra: you're EU, no?
Dec 01 00:17:29 <freemangordon> yep
Dec 01 00:17:30 <Gatta_Negra> freemangordon, it's my mom's phone and she messed the touchscreen so I decided to change it. I ordered from germany (ebay) because a) not ot be cheated by the chinese  b) to come here faster
Dec 01 00:17:41 <freemangordon> oh, I see
Dec 01 00:17:45 <DocScrutinizer05> then you're protected
Dec 01 00:17:53 <Gatta_Negra> yes I opened a case
Dec 01 00:18:13 <freemangordon> Gatta_Negra: afaik, you can't return it in 7 days, without any reason
Dec 01 00:18:17 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't lose
Dec 01 00:18:18 <freemangordon> *can
Dec 01 00:18:26 <DocScrutinizer05> 14
Dec 01 00:18:29 <freemangordon> ok
Dec 01 00:18:39 <Gatta_Negra> but the phone is useless for until the seller replies and so on
Dec 01 00:18:47 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Dec 01 00:18:49 <cehteh> hmpf
Dec 01 00:18:50 <DocScrutinizer05> annoying
Dec 01 00:19:00 <Gatta_Negra> AND i am neer buying from a german seller agaoin 
Dec 01 00:19:10 <Gatta_Negra> never again *
Dec 01 00:19:13 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, shit happens
Dec 01 00:19:19 <Gatta_Negra> i will show you a pic. just a second
Dec 01 00:19:27 <freemangordon> neo900 lost a potential customer :D
Dec 01 00:19:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ;´(
Dec 01 00:19:59 <Gatta_Negra> hah 
Dec 01 00:21:06 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL, OK. We got our candidates
Dec 01 00:21:37 <cehteh> http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/micro-usb-steckverbinder/7726768/ << looks ok?
Dec 01 00:21:46 <freemangordon>  DocScrutinizer05: did you?
Dec 01 00:21:54 * freemangordon check on neo900.org
Dec 01 00:22:02 <freemangordon> checks even
Dec 01 00:22:13 <DocScrutinizer05> cehteh: not exactly
Dec 01 00:22:24 <DocScrutinizer05> this is a almost thru-hole type
Dec 01 00:22:34 <cehteh> ah i see
Dec 01 00:22:40 <freemangordon> hmm, 12 more needed
Dec 01 00:22:43 <cehteh> well can cut that off
Dec 01 00:23:05 <cehteh> the pitch and measures of the connectors are somewhat standardized?
Dec 01 00:23:23 <DocScrutinizer05> could probably made to fit, with a file and pliers
Dec 01 00:23:30 <DocScrutinizer05> yup
Dec 01 00:23:37 <DocScrutinizer05> somehat
Dec 01 00:23:57 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks to USB plugs
Dec 01 00:24:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Dec 01 00:24:13 <cehteh> i am more scared that the traces are damaged .. that means the n900 would be dead or at least hard to repair
Dec 01 00:24:23 <freemangordon> hmm, doesn't it need two wide pins on the sides to be soldered to the board?
Dec 01 00:24:25 <DocScrutinizer05> harder, yes
Dec 01 00:24:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I gather you must hold a usb receptacle in your hands now, no?
Dec 01 00:25:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd closely inspect it
Dec 01 00:25:25 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: yes
Dec 01 00:25:30 <DocScrutinizer05> wide, not deep
Dec 01 00:25:53 <DocScrutinizer05> two at the side and another smaller to at the inner end
Dec 01 00:26:00 <DocScrutinizer05> two*
Dec 01 00:26:41 <DocScrutinizer05> cehteh: you might want to have a look at bare PCB scans at my server
Dec 01 00:27:02 <cehteh> i'll ask you when i need them
Dec 01 00:27:11 <Gatta_Negra> http://gattanegra.com/pix/photos/by_the_way/n5800x/20131128_002.jpg
Dec 01 00:27:17 <cehteh> cant do anything right now
Dec 01 00:27:41 <freemangordon> AFAIK, usually the places where those pins are soldered, doesn't fall of when the connector falls off
Dec 01 00:29:21 <DocScrutinizer05> gtlooks like it could work and fit
Dec 01 00:29:25 <DocScrutinizer05> Gatta_Negra: 
Dec 01 00:29:51 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: depends
Dec 01 00:30:36 <freemangordon> sure it depends, but most of the pictures I've seen has those intact
Dec 01 00:30:44 <DocScrutinizer05> depends a lot on how the receptacle got removed. If lifted off or sheared off
Dec 01 00:31:46 <Gatta_Negra> hm?
Dec 01 00:32:20 <freemangordon> Gatta_Negra: seems like that one might do the job. at least from the picture you've posted
Dec 01 00:32:44 <Gatta_Negra> i stopped posting 
Dec 01 00:32:53 <Gatta_Negra> cause you were talking important stuff
Dec 01 00:32:59 <Gatta_Negra>  here are other pix
Dec 01 00:33:20 <Gatta_Negra> http://gattanegra.com/pix/photos/by_the_way/n5800x/20131128_004.jpg
Dec 01 00:33:52 <Gatta_Negra> http://gattanegra.com/pix/photos/by_the_way/n5800x/20131128_005.jpg
Dec 01 00:34:31 <Gatta_Negra> http://gattanegra.com/pix/photos/by_the_way/n5800x/20131128_008.jpg
Dec 01 00:34:34 <Gatta_Negra> that wa the last one 
Dec 01 00:35:04 <Gatta_Negra> so the idea is that metal frame goes almost around the touchscreen. and ribbon goes under 
Dec 01 00:35:08 <freemangordon> hmm, it still looks to me that should be ok. the cable seems thin enough to go under the frame
Dec 01 00:35:44 <freemangordon> but really can't judge from the pictures only
Dec 01 00:35:51 <Gatta_Negra> freemangordon, whoa, my friend, I am not an engineer, but I am taught not to change something's design to make it fit
Dec 01 00:36:23 <Gatta_Negra> it can fit only and only if I leafe it above . And the plastic case is so tight it will ruin it
Dec 01 00:37:24 <Gatta_Negra> I tried. believe me. I am scared of waiting them change the part or return money, but it would be a waste if I tried assembling the phone this way
Dec 01 00:37:35 <freemangordon> yeah
Dec 01 00:38:08 <cehteh> http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/micro-usb-steckverbinder/7025475/   http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/micro-usb-steckverbinder/6850965/    http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/micro-usb-steckverbinder/6694645/     http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/micro-usb-steckverbinder/0435706/
Dec 01 00:38:11 <cehteh> ... choices choices
Dec 01 00:38:39 <freemangordon> anyway:
Dec 01 00:38:51 * freemangordon thinks it is time to have some sleep
Dec 01 00:39:02 <freemangordon> night guys and gals
Dec 01 00:39:11 <Gatta_Negra> night
Dec 01 02:28:57 <winocm> hi.
Dec 01 02:29:26 <winocm> anyone have an N900 with u-boot in R&D mode and willing to test something for me? :)
Dec 01 02:30:45 <mashina> darwin magic?
Dec 01 02:31:25 <winocm> yeah.
Dec 01 02:31:57 <mashina> i'm gonna watch patiently
Dec 01 02:32:06 <mashina> i don't want to lose my baby to science
Dec 01 02:32:12 <winocm> hahahaha
Dec 01 02:33:21 <mashina> and if someone ports the iOS UI I will eat my eats
Dec 01 02:33:25 <mashina> *eat my hats
Dec 01 02:33:42 <winocm> multiple hats?
Dec 01 02:33:44 <mashina> i got a rack full and I'm hungry
Dec 01 02:34:02 <mashina> anyways guten nacht maemokinder
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