**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 05 02:59:58 2013
Dec 05 04:09:16 <tjsolo>  Shoot your question/problem (like I can't install CSSU it says conflict in these packages: x, y, z)
Dec 05 04:09:47 <tjsolo> please  I can't install CSSU it says conflict in these packages: x, y, z)
Dec 05 04:12:23 <robbiethe1st> Well, those packages conflict
Dec 05 04:12:29 <robbiethe1st> you can have CSSU or those packages
Dec 05 04:14:09 <tjsolo> my major problem is that i cant install yneappari on my pho
Dec 05 04:15:06 <tjsolo> it brings up a error message about conflict after i installed cssu
Dec 05 04:15:41 <robbiethe1st> evidently, it's not compatible
Dec 05 04:16:07 <tjsolo> ok so how do i go about it please
Dec 05 04:17:09 <robbiethe1st> I don't know
Dec 05 04:17:24 <robbiethe1st> Either don't have CSSU. or don't have yneappari
Dec 05 04:17:47 <robbiethe1st> Or ask on the cssu or yneappari forum threads?
Dec 05 04:17:48 <tjsolo> ok do u know how to unistall it
Dec 05 04:18:01 <robbiethe1st> Probably have to wipe the system back to stock and start over
Dec 05 04:18:38 <tjsolo> ok thanks back to stock how can i do dat
Dec 05 04:19:06 <robbiethe1st> check forums or google for it
Dec 05 04:23:22 <tjsolo> thankx
Dec 05 06:44:10 <arvut> would it be unsafe to have the n900 plugged in with usb to regain energy that is lost during a 24/7 wlan connection for ssh access?
Dec 05 06:44:27 <arvut> in terms of physical harm to the device, not security related
Dec 05 06:45:06 <arvut> I'm considering using my n900 as a constant irssi connection
Dec 05 06:45:46 <arvut> problem is, there is no port of screen for maemo =/
Dec 05 06:52:18 <arvut> anyone know where to find gnu-screen for maemo? I googled it and came up with that it used to exist at some domain called www.sia.huaral.org but that server is down it seems
Dec 05 06:58:11 <inz> arvut, the SDK packages have it
Dec 05 07:03:04 <inz> arvut, you'll need the libncursesw5 also
Dec 05 07:14:28 <arvut> inz: ah, are those in extra-devel then?
Dec 05 07:15:45 <arvut> its been awhile since I installed things on this device, I mostly work in gentoo nowadays and debian-based systems are becomming more and more forgotten
Dec 05 07:17:02 <arvut> I also need a compiler, I guess thats included in the sdk tho
Dec 05 07:18:13 <arvut> btw, how do you manage reps from the cli on the n900? If you have a link to a quick tutorial then that'll be great. I fancy working from ssh so I can use my mechanical keyboard rather than the slide-kb on the n900
Dec 05 07:20:36 <arvut> oh, and I'm getting some errors about GPG keys that have expired, is that a problem? this is when running "apt-get update"
Dec 05 07:20:43 <arvut> I'll post the error in a sec
Dec 05 07:30:16 <inz> arvut, no, not in extras, the SDK repos
Dec 05 07:30:33 <inz> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/s/screen/
Dec 05 07:32:31 <inz> arvut, the h-a-m puts repos to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list, but I don't know if it reads them from there, or will your changes "disappear" if you change settings in the gui
Dec 05 07:32:59 <inz> arvut, apt-get treats gpg errors as warnings by default, so you can ignore those
Dec 05 10:21:26 * vi__1 wut?
Dec 05 10:25:29 <vi_> what happens if 2 phones with the same imei appear on a gsm network at once?
Dec 05 10:30:24 <jon_y> vi_: instant get surrounded by SWAT?
Dec 05 10:30:38 <jon_y> terrorists could make phone calls!
Dec 05 10:31:21 <jon_y> you can be jailed for failing to report it, making you an accomplice
Dec 05 10:31:31 <jon_y> or some equally vague scary words
Dec 05 10:34:25 <vi_> It sounds to me like you do not know!
Dec 05 10:34:41 <vi_> I have a chinese phone that you can change the imei on.
Dec 05 10:39:37 <Hakki> I seem to remember a news article from way back.. some grey market imported phones had cloned imeis on them, when someone had reported their phone stolen and imei was blacklisted, multiple phones around Finland stopped working
Dec 05 10:42:26 <Hakki> (not that possibility of collisions have stopped manufacturers before, there was one A-Link ADSL modem that every unit had mac address of 00:00:00:00:00:00, that caused a bit of trouble :)
Dec 05 10:47:57 <arvut> is 'iw' just able to connect to wep protected APs?
Dec 05 10:48:19 <arvut> 5-13 ascii pw...
Dec 05 10:57:47 <arvut> hmm
Dec 05 10:58:00 <arvut> bloody network threw me out
Dec 05 10:58:23 <arvut> must be low signal I guess
Dec 05 12:51:45 <mysquab> русскоязычные есть?
Dec 05 14:12:55 <SAiF_> SAiF
Dec 05 14:14:30 <SAiF_> can I PM somebody, I just want to ask something abt SSH.
Dec 05 14:18:38 <SAiF_> ignore abv commetn
Dec 05 14:18:42 <SAiF_> *comment
Dec 05 14:23:22 <andre__> you can also ask in public
Dec 05 14:38:30 <SAiF_> how to ssh to maemo from a browser based ssh service, ?
Dec 05 14:38:49 <SAiF_> has anyone tried it ? 
Dec 05 14:48:42 <SAiF_> okay, what will be the default username and hostname for maemo
Dec 05 14:53:58 <anYc> username is "user" afair
Dec 05 14:54:44 <anYc> start a terminal and type "hostname"
Dec 05 14:54:59 <anYc> I set one myself, don'
Dec 05 14:55:04 <anYc> t remember the default
Dec 05 14:58:18 <mysquab> hello
Dec 05 14:58:54 <SAiF_> hi
Dec 05 15:08:46 <vi_> u wot saif?
Dec 05 15:09:07 <SAiF_> I am stuck
Dec 05 15:13:15 <SAiF_> how do i know the ip address of this internet tablet
Dec 05 15:14:42 <SAiF_> got it
Dec 05 17:11:18 <skrzyp> Why N900 reboots when extracting Easy Debian image?
Dec 05 17:12:05 <vi_> skrzyp: Because the device becomes so bigged down the watchdog timer runs out.
Dec 05 17:12:10 <vi_> ^bogged
Dec 05 17:15:53 <skrzyp> vi_: so, how can I extract this image?
Dec 05 18:35:43 <marmistrz> freemangordon: ping
Dec 05 19:00:08 <fw190> hello
Dec 05 19:00:44 <fw190> any hint what to do with a screen locked and not responding on a opensuse while file transfer?
Dec 05 19:08:50 <ShadowJK> kill file transfer
Dec 05 19:10:00 <ShadowJK> before file transfer: echo 10 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness; echo 2048 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests
Dec 05 19:17:34 <fw190> thanks! will try it the next time. Now I can either wait a bit or do a hard kill with evil power button
Dec 05 19:27:52 <kerio> just keep nr_requests high
Dec 05 19:27:57 <kerio> hell, make it higher than 2048
Dec 05 19:28:15 <kerio> IO is good
Dec 05 20:37:45 <qwazix_> is there a way to reset desktop widgets?
Dec 05 20:38:48 <qwazix_> probably h-d thinks I have a shortcut to conversations and it doesn't give the option to add it 
Dec 05 20:43:26 <merlin1991> qwazix_: I guess gconf
Dec 05 20:44:42 <qwazix_> merlin1991, thanks, I'll check
Dec 05 20:46:31 <merlin1991> stuff is under /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets/*
Dec 05 20:47:16 <qwazix_> :nod:
Dec 05 20:48:45 <merlin1991> --> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset  /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets/converstaionshortcutappletname
Dec 05 20:50:53 <qwazix_> hmm...  gconftool-2 -a  /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets doesn't print anything
Dec 05 20:51:03 <qwazix_> tried with -g too
Dec 05 20:51:21 <merlin1991> -R
Dec 05 20:51:38 <qwazix_> thx
Dec 05 20:54:14 <qwazix_>  gconftool-2 --recursive-unset  /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets/TaskShortcut:rtcom-messaging-ui.desktop
Dec 05 23:56:43 <FIQ> hm
Dec 05 23:56:55 <FIQ> can you expand the sym table with another row.. or several?
Dec 05 23:57:37 <FIQ> and why is both ~ and ñ there... eh
Dec 06 01:28:27 <tjsolo> hi everyone
Dec 06 01:28:44 <tjsolo> thanks for all ur help yesterday am so greatfull
Dec 06 01:29:10 <tjsolo> i need ur help now so bad
Dec 06 01:30:04 <tjsolo> i was tol to get the url from pastebin and i did that can someone please help me solve the problem
Dec 06 01:30:37 <tjsolo> this is the pastebin url
Dec 06 01:30:56 <tjsolo> http://pastebin.com/sdz5rmem
Dec 06 01:43:38 <DocScrutinizer05> tjsolo: that pastebin doesn't sugest anything fishy with your system
Dec 06 01:43:45 <DocScrutinizer05> culprit is elsewhere
Dec 06 01:45:03 <tjsolo> ok so how do i install yappari then
Dec 06 01:45:25 <tjsolo> cause my main issue is how to install yappari
Dec 06 01:45:56 <tjsolo> its complaining about  conflict in the packages
Dec 06 02:02:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ask yappari maintainer
Dec 06 02:02:49 <DocScrutinizer05> or somebody who knows about yappari. sorry I have never used it
Dec 06 02:03:45 <DocScrutinizer05> when your system is up to date and no other problems, then yappari is broken. No use in messing with system to make a broken yappari package install
Dec 06 02:04:33 <DocScrutinizer05> wait for european daytime, somebody may step up to help you out then
Dec 06 02:04:55 <DocScrutinizer05> (hint: now+6h)
Dec 06 02:05:06 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe +12h
Dec 06 02:06:10 <tjsolo> thankx u so helpfull
Dec 06 02:06:35 <DocScrutinizer05> to diagnose what's wrong we irrespectively need the detailed and comprehensive error messages from failed yappari install
Dec 06 02:07:39 <DocScrutinizer05> probably some dependency in yappari is slightly off from what it should be, easy to fix once it got diagnosed
Dec 06 02:08:34 <tjsolo> ok i have it
Dec 06 02:09:19 <tjsolo> libtq-opengl libtq-dbus libtq-xmlpatterns -web kit -gui-sql-svg-xml-multimedia-phonon   all starting with libqt4
Dec 06 02:09:34 <DocScrutinizer05> this is not even an error message
Dec 06 02:09:41 <chainsawbike> DocScrutinizer05, he cannot update cssu due to "use pc suite" message, i suspect yappari depends on a newer version of one/some of the qt4 libs
Dec 06 02:10:06 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Dec 06 02:10:19 <tjsolo> yeah u right
Dec 06 02:10:33 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-12-06 03:03:44] <DocScrutinizer05> when your system is **up to date** and no other problems, **then** yappari is broken
Dec 06 02:10:35 <tjsolo> really ok
Dec 06 02:11:05 <tjsolo> lol thankx so much 
Dec 06 02:17:37 <SAiF> Yappari works for me fine
Dec 06 02:18:24 <SAiF> but I dont use it regularly. 
Dec 06 02:25:40 <DocScrutinizer05> next time s/he shows up, please refuse to help unless a guaranteed 2h time available at his side
Dec 06 02:26:23 <DocScrutinizer05> though, at this response rate, make that 6h
Dec 06 02:27:56 <SAiF> :)
Dec 06 02:28:21 <DocScrutinizer05> also hte less correct and comprehensive the info given about the system and the problem, the more catch-all the recommendations should be
Dec 06 02:28:52 <DocScrutinizer05> so in this case I'd suggest unconditional full reflash
Dec 06 02:29:40 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise diagnosing what's the real problem might become an epic drama
Dec 06 02:49:03 <gregoa> a simple pastebin'd `apt-get -s install yappari' might be more helpful. and no, I'm not volunteering for this kind of user support :)
Dec 06 02:49:38 <DocScrutinizer05> haha
Dec 06 02:49:51 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, actually that's what I asked for
Dec 06 02:50:23 <gregoa> "I'd suggest unconditional full reflash" sounds a bit more drastic :)
Dec 06 02:50:23 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-12-06 03:06:35] <DocScrutinizer05> to diagnose what's wrong we irrespectively need the detailed and comprehensive error messages from failed yappari install
Dec 06 02:50:31 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-12-06 03:09:19] <tjsolo> libtq-opengl libtq-dbus libtq-xmlpatterns -web kit -gui-sql-svg-xml-multimedia-phonon   all starting with libqt4
Dec 06 02:50:59 <gregoa> ack, this no-detail descriptions don't help
Dec 06 02:50:59 <DocScrutinizer05> pastebin OTOH takes like 1 day (at least last one took that long)
Dec 06 02:51:56 <gregoa> *shrug* paste.debian.org works, and copying console output from some terminal over ssh is not rocket science
Dec 06 02:52:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ssh? you're dreaming
Dec 06 02:52:45 <chainsawbike> we gave him step by step instruction on how to pastebin
Dec 06 02:53:03 <DocScrutinizer05> took ~30min, then "I'll be back later"
Dec 06 02:53:09 <chainsawbike> and i really mean _step_ by _step_
Dec 06 02:53:22 <gregoa> hm, well, that's just the very basic default operation mode. - but yes, I know why I'm not into user supprt
Dec 06 02:53:31 <DocScrutinizer05> then 24h later:
Dec 06 02:53:33 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-12-06 02:28:44] <tjsolo> thanks for all ur help yesterday am so greatfull
Dec 06 02:53:40 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-12-06 02:30:36] <tjsolo> this is the pastebin url
Dec 06 02:53:42 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-12-06 02:30:56] <tjsolo> http://pastebin.com/sdz5rmem
Dec 06 02:54:43 <DocScrutinizer05> on this pace diagnosing the problem will take ~6..8 months
Dec 06 02:56:14 <gregoa> heh :)
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