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Dec 07 08:10:53 <freemangordon> kerio: ping
Dec 07 08:11:05 <freemangordon> ooh, Pali's here :)
Dec 07 08:11:16 <freemangordon> Pali: how's your pythinfu?
Dec 07 08:11:23 <freemangordon> *python
Dec 07 08:11:53 <Pali> hi :-)
Dec 07 08:11:55 <Pali> I'm not doing in python
Dec 07 08:12:19 <Pali> bash, perl, C, C++, haskell, prolog :-)
Dec 07 08:12:33 <freemangordon> I just wrote my first couple of lines in python :D
Dec 07 08:12:40 <freemangordon> but need someone to review it
Dec 07 08:13:17 <freemangordon> I *think* I fixed that bug in the autobuilder, when it gets stuck if you resend one and the same package version 2 or more times
Dec 07 08:15:19 <freemangordon> anyone python here?
Dec 07 08:35:36 <ruskie> I'm actually starting to lean on getting a neo900 upgrade
Dec 07 14:42:22 <DocScrutinizer05> [NOTICE] council elections voting booth opening. DONT FORGET TO VOTE!
Dec 07 15:01:14 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: it's not open yet dammit
Dec 07 15:01:15 <kerio> >:c
Dec 07 15:01:27 <freemangordon> kerio: hi
Dec 07 15:01:34 <kerio> 'lo
Dec 07 15:01:44 <freemangordon> kerio: could you have a look at some python code?
Dec 07 15:01:48 <kerio> sure
Dec 07 15:02:43 <freemangordon> kerio: http://pastebin.com/hK5e3BKf
Dec 07 15:02:59 <freemangordon> the part that starts with "+"
Dec 07 15:03:17 <kerio> what's the problem?
Dec 07 15:03:33 <freemangordon> that's my first python code :D
Dec 07 15:03:40 <freemangordon> I have NFC what I did
Dec 07 15:03:53 <freemangordon> kerio: do you see any problem in that code
Dec 07 15:04:07 <kerio> apart for the screwed up indentation caused by irc, no
Dec 07 15:04:20 <freemangordon> ok
Dec 07 15:04:27 <kerio> although
Dec 07 15:04:36 <kerio> i would remove the second os.path.exists
Dec 07 15:04:45 <freemangordon> why?
Dec 07 15:05:02 <freemangordon> wouldn't os.remove throw if the file is missing?
Dec 07 15:05:07 <kerio> ...sure
Dec 07 15:05:16 <kerio> oh nvm you're not silencing exceptions
Dec 07 15:05:18 <freemangordon> I don't want
Dec 07 15:05:32 <kerio> yeah but
Dec 07 15:05:46 <kerio> there's time between stat() and unlink()
Dec 07 15:05:49 <freemangordon> kerio: this is a fix for a long-statnding bug in the autouilder
Dec 07 15:06:15 <freemangordon> *standing
Dec 07 15:06:22 <kerio> which python is this?
Dec 07 15:07:01 <freemangordon> kerio: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-December/139606.html
Dec 07 15:07:07 <kerio> that exception syntax is required in 2.5, deprecated in 2.6 and broken in 2.7
Dec 07 15:07:18 <freemangordon> I guess 2.7
Dec 07 15:07:52 <kerio> then there's a big problem :)
Dec 07 15:07:59 <freemangordon> why?
Dec 07 15:08:11 <freemangordon> it works, besides that problem
Dec 07 15:08:36 <kerio> mmh
Dec 07 15:09:09 <kerio> ok nevermind, the old syntax is still in 2.7
Dec 07 15:09:31 <freemangordon> ok, so the code is fine?
Dec 07 15:09:38 <kerio> that should be "except (OSError, IOError) as exobj:"
Dec 07 15:09:39 <kerio> but yeah
Dec 07 15:09:49 <kerio> looks fine
Dec 07 15:09:56 <freemangordon> ok, thanks
Dec 07 15:10:00 <kerio> but you're only keeping the latest version of the file
Dec 07 15:10:21 <kerio> that's intended, i assume
Dec 07 15:10:25 <freemangordon> kerio: that's the idea
Dec 07 15:10:28 <freemangordon> yep
Dec 07 15:10:59 <kerio> why not os.rename?
Dec 07 15:11:06 <kerio> so you don't have any issues
Dec 07 15:11:45 <freemangordon> afaik it will still throw an exception if the destination is there
Dec 07 15:11:49 <kerio> nope
Dec 07 15:12:19 <kerio> os.rename is basically just a wrapper around rename(2)
Dec 07 15:13:31 <freemangordon> kerio: hmm, well, the original code uses shutil.move
Dec 07 15:14:08 <kerio> mh
Dec 07 15:14:09 <freemangordon> and I know nothing about python, so I'd rather keep it as it is, just fizing the bug
Dec 07 15:14:14 <kerio> yeah, fair enough
Dec 07 15:14:16 <freemangordon> *fixing
Dec 07 15:14:25 <kerio> although shutil.move won't throw an exception when moving a file on another file
Dec 07 15:14:30 <kerio> same as os.rename
Dec 07 15:14:42 <kerio> you use shutil.move when you're not sure you're on the same filesystem
Dec 07 15:14:44 <kerio> i guess
Dec 07 15:14:47 <freemangordon> kerio: see the link I posted ^^^
Dec 07 15:14:50 <freemangordon> it throws
Dec 07 15:15:14 <freemangordon> "Error: Destination path '/mnt/incoming-builder/fremantle/rejected/gconf-cleaner_0.0.3-1.dsc' already exists"
Dec 07 15:15:47 <kerio> freemangordon: fwiw it could be some other OSError or IOError
Dec 07 15:15:52 <kerio> but meh
Dec 07 15:15:53 <kerio> does it work now?
Dec 07 15:16:09 <freemangordon> I guess so: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-December/thread.html
Dec 07 15:16:52 <freemangordon> there is no exception in the last "gconf-cleaner" message
Dec 07 15:16:56 <freemangordon> https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-December/154504.html
Dec 07 15:18:52 <ShadowJK> Anyone ever profiled N900 cpu in terms of work/watt at different clock frequencies?
Dec 07 15:19:11 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: iirc vi did it
Dec 07 15:19:39 <ShadowJK> Did some quick testing 250 - 950MHz, and 550 seemed most power efficient frequency
Dec 07 15:19:48 <freemangordon> it turned out that the "sweet spot" is 500
Dec 07 15:20:02 <freemangordon> maybe it depends on the workload
Dec 07 15:20:12 <freemangordon> vi concluded that 500 is the best
Dec 07 15:20:18 <ShadowJK> yeah, tbh 500-600 was all within my massively wide margin of error
Dec 07 15:20:54 <ccxN> ~mirrors
Dec 07 15:20:54 <infobot> hmm... mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143  or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new
Dec 07 15:21:08 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: I guess his graphic is still somewhere on TMO in some SR related thread
Dec 07 15:21:15 <ccxN> ~rmo-new
Dec 07 15:21:35 <freemangordon> ccxN: why do you need mirrors?
Dec 07 15:21:45 <freemangordon> repos are working just fine
Dec 07 15:23:31 <ccxN> had some issues where packages could not be found
Dec 07 15:25:34 <freemangordon> weird
Dec 07 16:11:49 <lufu> Is there any recommended way to install emacs on a n900?
Dec 07 16:15:04 <merlin1991> there is emacs24 in extras-devel
Dec 07 16:16:59 <lufu> Great, I'll take a look at it.
Dec 07 16:26:28 <ampharos> have fun with carpal tunnel trying to use emacs with tiny keyboard
Dec 07 16:43:12 <lufu> Thank you, ampharos.
Dec 07 17:47:23 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: "opening" == "will be open soon" >:-(
Dec 07 17:52:44 <kerio> >:-(
Dec 07 17:53:37 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer05: heya
Dec 07 17:53:44 <javispedro> long time no see =)
Dec 07 17:56:31 <freemangordon> hmm, seems like marxian is trying to bring the autobuilder down :D https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php
Dec 07 17:56:59 <DocScrutinizer05> javispedro: HEY!!!
Dec 07 17:57:06 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed!
Dec 07 17:57:51 <freemangordon> but it holds on so far :)
Dec 07 17:57:52 <DocScrutinizer05> javispedro: missed your insightful contributions :´(
Dec 07 17:58:09 <freemangordon> javispedro: hi!
Dec 07 17:58:42 <javispedro> freemangordon: hello
Dec 07 17:58:46 <javispedro> (and everyone else :) )
Dec 07 17:59:22 <javispedro> was just trying to avoid my nickname from expiring
Dec 07 17:59:32 <DocScrutinizer05> javispedro: how about joining FPTF? not a tempting thing for you? :-)
Dec 07 17:59:57 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer05: would not be able to do much, albeit I already donated
Dec 07 18:00:05 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Dec 07 18:00:09 <javispedro> and wish you all the best of lucks
Dec 07 18:00:18 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks! we need it
Dec 07 18:00:55 <DocScrutinizer05> even more we need kernel and OS hackers porting fremantle to "freemantle"
Dec 07 18:01:16 <DocScrutinizer05> FINALLY! long overdue
Dec 07 18:01:55 <freemangordon> yeah, 1-2 more kernel devs will make all the difference
Dec 07 18:02:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I see even more need for OS/middleware hackers
Dec 07 18:03:21 <DocScrutinizer05> kernel hackers for OMAP3 platforms are a few already, though not all joined #maemo-ssu yet
Dec 07 18:04:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I suggested /join #linux-omap a few days ago over in #maemo-ssu already
Dec 07 18:04:52 <DocScrutinizer05> (I did the inverse at #linux-omap, some weeks ago)
Dec 07 18:06:49 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: who TF is raping autobuilder??
Dec 07 18:07:21 <DocScrutinizer05> qdl-plugins-winporn_0.1.0 ???????
Dec 07 18:08:09 <DocScrutinizer05> please check which upload permission to permanently revoke!
Dec 07 18:08:33 <javispedro> possibly that "find sex" program that was a few minutes ago in TMO =)
Dec 07 18:09:14 <javispedro> not much time to hack from me, though I follow the news
Dec 07 18:12:07 <DocScrutinizer05> javispedro: having you around feels reassuring even when you don't contribute at all
Dec 07 18:12:26 <javispedro> was recently working on some bluetooth low energy stuff, but that is not applicable to n900 or neo900 (afaiu)
Dec 07 18:12:41 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly not
Dec 07 18:13:09 <DocScrutinizer05> google anelok, werner almesberger might be highly interested
Dec 07 18:13:21 <DocScrutinizer05> #qi-hardware
Dec 07 18:13:49 <javispedro> oh, nice
Dec 07 18:14:52 <javispedro> another guy who was doing a "find my car"-style project kickstarter lectured me mostly
Dec 07 18:18:50 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: 19:56 <freemangordon> hmm, seems like marxian is trying to bring the autobuilder down :D 
Dec 07 18:25:05 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: btw this was a nice stress-test
Dec 07 18:25:15 <freemangordon> for the whole infra
Dec 07 18:51:07 <DocScrutinizer05> shall we discontinue the marxian account?
Dec 07 18:51:17 <freemangordon> no, why is that?
Dec 07 18:51:35 <DocScrutinizer05> or is this "stress test" legit basically
Dec 07 18:51:39 <freemangordon> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1291936
Dec 07 18:51:48 <freemangordon> yep, it is fine
Dec 07 18:51:54 <DocScrutinizer05> ok then :-)
Dec 07 19:00:41 <warfare> I'll start with security upgrades now. 
Dec 07 19:03:54 <freemangordon> ooh, security
Dec 07 19:03:57 <freemangordon> :)
Dec 07 19:12:44 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: election opens in 3h
Dec 07 19:16:42 <warfare> I'll be quick about it then. 
Dec 07 19:18:04 <merlin1991> warfare: you're doing this wrong
Dec 07 19:18:15 <merlin1991> if anything security updates have to be done full BOFH style
Dec 07 19:18:34 <freemangordon> :D
Dec 07 19:19:26 <merlin1991> which ofc includes a proper find /home/* -type f -exec rm {} \; to clean up any "infected" files
Dec 07 19:20:30 <freemangordon> merlin1991: please check the patches I posted on #maemo-admin, while having fun :P
Dec 07 19:26:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ** PROBLEM Service Alert: repository.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL **
Dec 07 19:27:07 <DocScrutinizer05> didum didumm
Dec 07 19:27:43 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: hmm, WFM
Dec 07 19:31:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ** RECOVERY Service Alert: repository.maemo.org/HTTP is OK **  :-D
Dec 07 19:36:33 <javispedro> btw, youtube is killing whatever special support they had for the n8x0 browser
Dec 07 19:37:48 <freemangordon> javispedro: seems like, there is a thread about that on TMO, some guy asking for upgraded gecko
Dec 07 19:38:09 <javispedro> yeah, saw it
Dec 07 19:38:23 <javispedro> it's more about upgraded flash than upgraded gecko (I think)
Dec 07 19:38:29 <freemangordon> unfortunately upgrading gecko is not a trivial task IMO
Dec 07 19:38:43 <freemangordon> hmm, could be
Dec 07 19:39:26 <javispedro> youtube is known to do heavy user agent sniffing and serving special versions of swf player depending on it
Dec 07 19:39:56 <freemangordon> if it is about flash, I guess it is a no-go then. though maybe the same trick that works on n900 (hexediting the version in the binary) will work on n8x0
Dec 07 19:40:03 <javispedro> so I presume this is their "deprecation policy" in action 
Dec 07 19:40:40 <freemangordon> I guess n8x0 is too weak for html5 video, ain;t?
Dec 07 19:40:57 <javispedro> well, flash does it..
Dec 07 19:41:12 <freemangordon> is it HW accelerated?
Dec 07 19:41:34 <javispedro> Not sure, but probably not
Dec 07 19:41:44 <javispedro> DSP on N8x0 was used to accelerate audio mixing and other things
Dec 07 19:42:18 <freemangordon> hmm. well, then maybe embedlite API based player would work
Dec 07 19:43:03 <freemangordon> is gstreamer DSP accelerated?
Dec 07 19:43:05 <javispedro> there is a working webkit port too, but I'm not sure what is required for HTML5 to work on it.
Dec 07 19:43:38 <freemangordon> upstream gecko supports HTML5 video through gstreamer
Dec 07 19:43:45 <freemangordon> and it actually works, even on n900
Dec 07 19:44:57 <freemangordon> no idea about n8x0, never had one
Dec 07 19:47:33 <javispedro> no, I don't think it was accelerated, as said, DSP was used for other stuff
Dec 07 19:48:40 <javispedro> the N8x0s don't have enough framebuffer bandwidth for more than quarter-screen video
Dec 07 19:58:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ** PROBLEM Service Alert: www.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL **  ;-)
Dec 07 19:58:34 <Sicelo> TMO has some database error... just reporting, in case it's not known
Dec 07 19:58:46 <Sicelo> ah, same time
Dec 07 20:05:32 <DocScrutinizer05> [NOTICE] maemo.org maintenance may cause temporary service outages for the next 2h or so
Dec 07 21:47:05 <kerio> worksforme, tho
Dec 07 21:54:57 <DocScrutinizer05> we're done
Dec 07 21:55:15 <DocScrutinizer05> since quite some time
Dec 07 21:55:32 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks to smooth operator warfare :-)
Dec 07 22:12:18 <lufu> I'm using CSSU right now but want to use some package from extras-devel... do I just have to add the extras-devel repository?
Dec 07 22:20:57 <merlin1991> lufu: yep
Dec 07 22:23:00 <lufu> merlin1991: So I don't have to add the devel repository before adding the extras-devel repository?
Dec 07 22:32:10 <Wizzup> can anyone help me find out where udev (or something else) loads the headphone+mic+button (default with n900) as /dev/input/eventX
Dec 07 22:32:17 <Wizzup> Or is that done by an existing module?
Dec 07 22:32:23 <Wizzup> (I want to hook in into it)
Dec 07 22:35:25 * Wizzup sees headphone: GPIO 177 is now connected
Dec 07 22:38:44 <Wizzup> something related to nokia_av?
Dec 07 22:54:17 <Wizzup> ah...something with dbus
Dec 07 22:56:50 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
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