**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 08 02:59:58 2013 Dec 08 03:46:05 [notice] Council Voting open! Please vote! Dec 08 09:36:56 Can a Nokia N900 recover from a flat battery by using a charger with 12V DC input instead of a charger with AC input? Dec 08 09:40:20 * brolin_empey is asking because his Nokia N900 seemed to not charge enough from the Gomadic 12V DC to microUSB charger he uses in his car. Dec 08 09:43:44 I mean that, with the Gomadic 12V DC to microUSB charger powered by my car, my Nokia N900 seemed to not charge enough to ever finish booting. Dec 08 09:46:27 In theory it could recover enough from a charger powered by 2 AA batteries Dec 08 09:46:44 But not all chargers are created equal Dec 08 09:46:55 lol Dec 08 09:47:35 Did it charge it when not flat? Dec 08 09:55:30 Of course, I had a Nokia AV cable with me but not a Nokia AC to microUSB charger so I could not leave my Nokia N900 charging whilst I stayed overnight with an acquaintance. I tried to leave my Nokia N900 charging overnight from a desktop computer but my Nokia N900’s battery was flat by the time I was finished sleeping. I just realised that it may have prematurely stopped charging because of power management on the desktop computer. I forgot that not Dec 08 09:55:30 everyone leaves their desktop computers always running. Dec 08 10:02:41 you dont have backupmenu installed, do you? Dec 08 10:03:12 ShadowJK: My Nokia N900 charged from my car enough that I could try to boot but it never finished booting. The LED was flashing orange but never became green until after I left my Nokia N900 charging from a Nokia AC to microUSB charger after I was back at my apartment. Dec 08 10:03:56 oh so it's alive now? Dec 08 10:05:33 ShadowJK: Yes, it is running Maemo 5 again. I could not use the IRC to ask about recovering from a flat battery whilst my battery was still flat. :-P Dec 08 10:05:44 lol Dec 08 10:08:46 ShadowJK: If the installation instructions for the stable CSSU on the official Maemo wiki recommended to use backupmenu to back up my Maemo 5 installation before installing the stable CSSU, then yes, I do have backupmenu installed. Dec 08 10:10:06 I once plugged in charger with keyboard open, and when menu came I booted to backupmenu and selected option for console Dec 08 10:10:41 The author of bacmupmenu appears to have incorporated an early version of my charge script, which normally isn't too fussy about the type of charger Dec 08 10:10:50 (and then it spams console with status) Dec 08 10:16:22 Is there any advantage to using an inverter (correct term? or a rectifier?) to convert the 12V DC accessory power from my car to 120V 1-phase AC to power a Nokia AC to microUSB charger to charge my Nokia N900 instead of using a 12V DC to microUSB charger for direct charging? Dec 08 10:17:25 12 - 120 - 5 wastes more power Dec 08 10:19:50 Technically, I'd say 12 to 5V is easier to do Dec 08 10:20:38 In the real world, quality of random converters and chargers matters more than the source voltage or technology used to get to 5V Dec 08 10:30:57 ShadowJK: In the real world, some persons seem to seriously incorrectly assume that my 1998 Volkswagen New Beetle TDI with the loud but distinctive sound of its compression-ignition engine uses gasoline. (fail) Dec 08 10:47:13 ShadowJK: Anyway, the simple hardware solution is to ensure that I always have a Nokia AC to microUSB charger in my briefcase. Maybe I should even get another such charger to leave in my car so I will still have such a charger even if I do not have my briefcase in my car. Dec 08 10:48:00 I have a nokia car chargers, it's capable of the same current as the AC charger Dec 08 10:48:19 there are lots of half-power car chargers out there though :/ Dec 08 10:51:38 ShadowJK: I could have prevented a flat battery if I had a Nokia AC to microUSB charger in my briefcase or in my car. Dec 08 11:01:39 get another battery and put it in your wallet Dec 08 11:01:40 ;-p Dec 08 11:04:28 LinuxCode: I actually already have 2 spare Nokia BL-5J batteries I carry in my briefcase but I was too idealistic to resort to using them. :-P Dec 08 11:04:41 hehe Dec 08 11:09:52 * brolin_empey should use bitlbee on his VPS so he can use IM (not IRC) while he is away from his desktop computers but he does not want to switch IM clients Yet Again™. :-/ Dec 08 11:12:28 That is why I wanted to run Finch instead of Pidgin on Windows 7 on my desktop computer. Dec 08 12:06:59 I also use finch with screen on my 24/7 machine Dec 08 16:47:48 I didn't know there were operator locked N900's (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1393713&postcount=12) Dec 08 17:08:53 there were Dec 08 17:09:20 either operator locked or SIM locked Dec 08 17:16:02 I learn something everyday :-) Dec 08 17:17:54 btw DocScrutinizer05 the touch thing you posted is it a digitizer or a chip which will be connected to the existing digitizer? Dec 08 17:31:51 the latter Dec 08 17:34:19 thx Dec 08 20:31:11 what package do I need to install to get a kernel that Cleven & friends like? Dec 08 20:31:38 being able to make a wifi hotspot would be neat too Dec 08 21:17:03 ~kp Dec 08 21:17:03 from memory, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 Dec 08 21:17:06 maybe **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 09 02:59:58 2013