**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 15 03:00:00 2013 Dec 15 03:13:47 Kabouik_: apt needs to be pointed to the equivalent resources at skeiron.org. Dec 15 03:15:42 ... and still hoping someone will address this: "Is there a way to determine the cellular frequency currently in use on the Nokia N900?" :) Dec 15 04:30:50 amonk: see netmon Dec 15 07:09:18 hmm, this openmoko lives Dec 15 07:09:25 and is running an ancient build of android Dec 15 08:02:18 sorry, IT service time (local). I might miss highlights and/or channels I'm supposed to have joined Dec 15 08:45:54 ~botsnack Dec 15 08:45:54 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Dec 15 08:47:30 ~botsuck lollipop Dec 15 08:48:22 he dont like lollipop Dec 15 09:01:31 ~lollipop Dec 15 09:01:43 indeed Dec 15 09:02:10 ~listkeys lolli Dec 15 09:02:12 Factoid search of 'lolli' by key (1): cmd: lollipop (.*?). Dec 15 09:02:22 aaah Dec 15 09:02:31 ~lollipop zamn900 Dec 15 09:02:31 Here, suck on this, zamn900 Dec 15 09:03:05 xd Dec 15 09:04:19 ~wtf xd Dec 15 09:04:21 Gee... I don't know what xd means... Dec 15 09:10:24 http://www.zazzle.com/smiley_emoticon_tongue_a_coffee_mugs-168336862974202961 maybe? Dec 15 09:17:07 DocScrutinizer05: Thanks, cool app, but netmon doesn't show the frequency in use. Dec 15 09:18:03 it does: via channel Dec 15 09:18:32 zammy: or raher this: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/15/plasma-desktopzU3489.png ? Dec 15 09:18:53 haha -.- Dec 15 09:20:02 btw I had to snapshot this pic from google, since the site is infested by XXX content you can't bypass or close Dec 15 09:20:28 weird Dec 15 09:21:31 agcom and google and corps are making puratanism Dec 15 09:21:42 *puritanism Dec 15 09:23:25 DocScrutinizer05, http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/218111_136658019813886_1159392076_n.jpg Dec 15 09:24:49 lol Dec 15 09:28:30 wow, this made me find http://www.tineye.com/ Dec 15 09:28:49 which is working great it seems Dec 15 11:27:50 amonk: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UARFCN Dec 15 11:28:01 amonk: and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands Dec 15 11:30:58 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands Dec 15 11:31:07 channel number Dec 15 11:33:49 amonk: IIRC netmon shows ARFCN/channel Dec 15 11:38:46 oops it doesn't Dec 15 12:01:20 So I am back trying to work this out https://privatepaste.com/9586e2cfa9 ssh keys are ok. From searching around I am thinking this will fix http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1383522&postcount=18 Seems fmg is offline :( Dec 15 12:07:51 sixwheeledbeast: you should drop all the files a folder higher Dec 15 12:09:11 just like it says in http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel#scp Dec 15 12:09:23 @drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/ Dec 15 12:09:45 merlin1991: the fremantle/perl is a "/n" error I am not dropping in fremantle/perl Dec 15 12:10:57 can you run it with scp -v and paste that Dec 15 12:11:20 https://privatepaste.com/08833251c2 Dec 15 12:12:50 sixwheeledbeast: I see no -v in that command line ;) Dec 15 12:13:29 merlin1991: I am pastebining it now. mompls Dec 15 12:15:04 https://privatepaste.com/86f3029d6a Dec 15 12:15:15 merlin1991 ^^ Dec 15 12:17:17 sixwheeledbeast: I just checked your shell on the server, it is restritcted to git stuff Dec 15 12:18:37 ok so it can be changed? I have never used git. Dec 15 12:19:36 did you apply for extras uploader rights? Dec 15 12:20:34 hm you're set as accepted on garage Dec 15 12:20:40 seems the sync still is partly foobar Dec 15 12:20:49 I'm going to give you your proper shell by hand Dec 15 12:22:11 merlin1991 I applied years ago, I can only think something got screwed when testing autobuilder during migration. Dec 15 12:22:44 extra-assistant works great but this file is too big so times out. Dec 15 12:23:32 sixwheeledbeast: shell changed, happy uploading :) Dec 15 12:23:57 merlin1991: I'll test now ty very much Dec 15 12:24:28 Cool, uploading :) Dec 15 12:24:41 btw you can use rsync aswell Dec 15 12:25:04 but then again compressing a tar.gz again won't yield much effect :D Dec 15 12:26:20 :nod: Dec 15 12:26:53 Exit status 0, so hopefully it will be in the queu soon :) Dec 15 12:59:29 ~pkg Dec 15 12:59:30 pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ Dec 15 19:17:31 Hello, this is an off-topic request for help because there are usually many experienced developers in here and I wouldn't know any better place to ask: Dec 15 19:17:50 I'm trying to build a Debian program from source Dec 15 19:19:28 It's transcriberAG, I want to install it on LMDE. It is not packaged as .deb, so I'm trying to isntall it Dec 15 19:19:28 *compile from source Dec 15 19:19:28 here I have a problem with gtkmm library: make cannot find gtkmm.h (it seems like that is the file with gtkmm development headers). searching for gtkmm, I find this page: https://developer.gnome.org/gtkmm/unstable/ Dec 15 19:19:28 there is this mysterious line, saying: "#include " I believe it is an instruction that might solve my problem, but I don't know how to apply it to what, I have no idea what it means Dec 15 19:19:29 I'm not a developer and this is only like the 4-5th time I have ever tried compiling sth. from source. Maybe someone in here can help me? Dec 15 19:20:55 (btw yes, I posted this in #lmde channel first, no reply...) Dec 15 19:21:43 bennypr0fane: try to install gtkmm-dev package Dec 15 19:22:06 or maybe it is called libgtkmm-dev Dec 15 19:23:11 bennypr0fane: or maybe it is libgtkmm-2.4-dev :) Dec 15 19:23:44 freemangordon: I have that installed. there are 2 different ones: libgtkmm-3.0-dev and libgtkmm-2.4-dev I installed both Dec 15 19:24:21 bennypr0fane: does the package you try to compile have build-depends section in its debian/control file? Dec 15 19:24:53 oh Dec 15 19:24:57 it is not packaged Dec 15 19:25:09 not sure. I'm following the instructions here: http://transag.sourceforge.net/index.php?content=install Dec 15 19:26:48 bennypr0fane: hmm, weird Dec 15 19:27:32 actually some guy seems to have had a similar problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=593872#post593872 Dec 15 19:27:36 anyway, this is cmake, I am not familiar with it. but for sure the correct package you need is libmm-xx-dev Dec 15 19:27:55 libgtkmm-xx-dev that is Dec 15 19:28:03 ...but of course I don't understand what he did Dec 15 19:28:10 he? Dec 15 19:28:18 oh, sorry Dec 15 19:29:56 bennypr0fane: are there gtkmm-2.4 and gtkmm-30 folders in /usr/include? Dec 15 19:30:26 bennypr0fane: also, could you pastebin the exact error you have Dec 15 19:30:29 here is the output I get from make: http://pastie.org/8554300 Dec 15 19:32:46 yes: these folders are present Dec 15 19:32:47 ~ $ cd /usr/include/gtkmm-2.4 Dec 15 19:32:47 ben@poidl-lmde /usr/include/gtkmm-2.4 $ ls Dec 15 19:32:47 gtkmm gtkmm.h Dec 15 19:34:08 bennypr0fane: try CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include/gtkmm-2.4 cmake Dec 15 19:34:19 and make after that ofc :) Dec 15 19:35:54 you mean I should insert this line in the /usr/include/gtkmm-x.x/gtkmm.h file? Dec 15 19:36:03 or run this line in terminal? Dec 15 19:36:29 no, I mean to run in terminal "CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include/gtkmm-2.4 cmake" in the main project dir Dec 15 19:36:38 without quotes :) Dec 15 19:37:02 don;t toudch the files in /usr/include ;) Dec 15 19:37:06 *touch Dec 15 19:37:07 ok Dec 15 19:37:36 the main project dir would be the one I extracted the tarball to, yes? Dec 15 19:37:45 should be Dec 15 19:38:15 the same place you run that cmake for the first time Dec 15 19:38:28 hmm, did you run it actually? Dec 15 19:38:32 cmake that is Dec 15 19:39:16 yes I did Dec 15 19:39:40 ok, run ^^^ from the same place Dec 15 19:39:59 that's not the root of the tarball though Dec 15 19:40:39 ok, the step 4 from here http://transag.sourceforge.net/index.php?content=install Dec 15 19:40:49 should be "CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include/gtkmm-2.4 cmake" Dec 15 19:40:54 following those instructions, i first ran cmake in libs/build Dec 15 19:40:55 without quotes Dec 15 19:41:00 ok Dec 15 19:41:06 ops, sorry Dec 15 19:41:15 it should be "CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include/gtkmm-2.4 cmake ../" Dec 15 19:41:37 the same for the step 8 Dec 15 19:41:41 a question: why gtkmm-2.4 and not 3.0? Dec 15 19:41:46 no idea :) Dec 15 19:41:58 try with 3.0 if 2.4 fails Dec 15 19:42:25 I have the Cinnamon desktop on this pc, which is GTK 3, I think? Dec 15 19:42:52 bennypr0fane: the point is - it is a good idea to lower your dependencies, do not use newer libs if don;t need to Dec 15 19:42:56 maybe then it'd make sense to try 3.0 first? I'm just guessing Dec 15 19:43:02 aha Dec 15 19:43:04 ok, should not matter Dec 15 19:43:27 see there's one precious piece of developer knowledge Dec 15 19:43:52 alright, trying now Dec 15 19:46:19 this looks like it succeeded: http://pastie.org/8554325 Dec 15 19:46:47 well, make it first :) Dec 15 19:47:21 bennypr0fane: step 5 that is Dec 15 19:48:02 bennypr0fane: BTW if you have multiple cores, you may want to "make -jN" where N is the number of cores you have Dec 15 19:48:13 have 2 Dec 15 19:48:21 it's faster? Dec 15 19:48:32 yep. "make -j2" Dec 15 19:48:35 ok Dec 15 19:49:21 strange Dec 15 19:50:22 I did make first, which produced like a dozen lines of output. then make -j2 in the same dir, couple pages of output. is that normal? Dec 15 19:50:43 depends on what is written in the output :) Dec 15 19:51:02 -j tells make to compile in parallel Dec 15 19:51:25 or rather to start 2 compilers in parallel Dec 15 19:51:38 it should be 2 times faster than without -j2 Dec 15 19:52:09 veryvery long output :-( Dec 15 19:52:11 http://pastie.org/8554337 Dec 15 19:52:32 the compiling itself was definitely not faster Dec 15 19:52:46 if that's what you mean Dec 15 19:53:08 or you meant the execution of the program I'm running will be faster? Dec 15 19:53:21 I mean the compilation Dec 15 19:53:31 well that took a lot longer Dec 15 19:53:43 anyway, I guess you should report to the application developer Dec 15 19:54:06 /home/ben/v2.0.0-b1/libs/aglib-2.0.1/src/formats/AG/AG.cc:36:18: error: cannot declare variable ‘handler’ to be of abstract type ‘SAX_AGHandlers’ Dec 15 19:54:08 In file included from /home/ben/v2.0.0-b1/libs/aglib-2.0.1/src/formats/AG/AG.cc:14:0: Dec 15 19:54:10 /home/ben/v2.0.0-b1/libs/aglib-2.0.1/src/formats/AG/SAX_AGHandlers.h:24:7: note: because the following virtual functions are pure within ‘SAX_AGHandlers’: Dec 15 19:54:29 In file included from /home/ben/v2.0.0-b1/libs/aglib-2.0.1/src/formats/AG/SAX_AGHandlers.h:17:0, Dec 15 19:54:31 from /home/ben/v2.0.0-b1/libs/aglib-2.0.1/src/formats/AG/AG.cc:14: Dec 15 19:54:33 /usr/include/xercesc/framework/XMLFormatter.hpp:454:18: note: virtual void xercesc_3_1::XMLFormatTarget::writeChars(const XMLByte*, XMLSize_t, xercesc_3_1::XMLFormatter*) Dec 15 19:55:14 should I try making the other dir first? and try to install? Dec 15 19:55:24 no Dec 15 19:55:35 the build has failed Dec 15 19:56:30 ok Dec 15 19:56:57 so I should attach these lines to the report? or the whole thing? Dec 15 19:57:26 bennypr0fane: yep. or even better - attach the whole output Dec 15 19:57:34 ok Dec 15 19:58:01 will have to resort to using media player and LO writer then... Dec 15 19:58:12 Thank you so much for your time though! Dec 15 19:58:17 greatly appreciated Dec 15 19:58:22 np :) Dec 15 20:51:16 DocScrutinizer05: Thanks. I've been looking to leverage some info like that into an answer too... not as much as I'd like (super busy), but still, and you just gave me the last piece of information to get at least a close to accurate frequency determination indicating that T-Mobile has already switched frequencies from AWS to PCS on the tower I'm using (which is what I wanted to know). I also have a Nokia N9 and someone in #meego told me about a newish ap Dec 16 01:43:32 Hmm. Something is definitely wrong with that formula, or the number fed to it (i.e. "UTRA channel"), so I'm unfortunately in high doubt again. I switched to a roaming provider that displays 21777 for "UTRA channel," which comes out as 21777 / 5 = 4355, which is pretty far from any defined UMTS frequency. :-/ Dec 16 02:10:17 the formula is only the common denominator and has many special rules and extensions Dec 16 02:11:06 Well, I have confirmation on that formula, at least for most circumstances [argh!] (cite: http://www.umtsworld.com/technology/frequencies.htm), *but* 1850.1 is first subtracted from the frequency *if* it's a band II "additional channel" (whatever that vague shit is, and however it's known!). In any case, reversing the formula for a band II "additional channel" doesn't work with 9992 or [especially] 21777 either, so all I can figure is that whatever MeeCel Dec 16 02:11:32 in te end you will need to use a lookup-table based on 3GPP publications Dec 16 02:13:34 >>A UARFCN (abbreviation for UTRA Absolute Radio Frequency Channel Number, where UTRA stands for UMTS Terrestrial Radio Access) is used to identify a frequency in the UMTS frequency bands .Typically channel number is derived from the frequency in MHz through the formula Channel Number = Frequency * 5. However, this is only able to represent channels that are centered on a multiple of 200 kHz, which do not align with licensing in North Dec 16 02:13:35 America. 3GPP added several special values for the common North American channels.<< Dec 16 02:13:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UARFCN Dec 16 02:13:54 Well, *if* I could be certain MeeCell is calling UARFCN "UTRA channel," and I could find definitive, *comprehensive* information regarding its calculation, I'd be happy to do that. :) Dec 16 02:14:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#UMTS-FDD_Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths last rightmost col Dec 16 02:14:54 Yeah, already read that partially vague, incomprehensive shit, but thanks again. :) Dec 16 02:17:00 9992 seems to be band-3 Dec 16 02:17:09 1800 DCS Dec 16 02:18:14 Yup, thanks. Saw that too (but as a point of fact, it doesn't indicate *when* to use which formula in the many cases were there is an auxiliary formula). Dec 16 02:18:36 Hmm. Looking into that last couple comments. Thanks... Dec 16 02:18:46 I however can't find any 5-digit UARFCN Dec 16 02:19:01 Yeah, and that^ Grrrr! Dec 16 02:19:27 (when to use formula) those are meant to calculate channel number from frequency Dec 16 02:19:33 not the other way round Dec 16 02:19:34 And 9992 looked just out of range to me as well. Rechecking based on your comment above now... Dec 16 02:20:27 you first should make sure you're really looking at a UARFCN at all Dec 16 02:21:03 then make sure if it's meant for UpLink or for DownLink Dec 16 02:21:33 then use a LUT to find the associated band Dec 16 02:21:52 RE: "when" : yup, but should work backwards too, even if you have to try both. I just find half-assed anything annoying, especially when it violates the principle of parsimony. I'm used to this shit, but tstill. Grrrrr!!! Dec 16 02:22:13 (col 4/5:6/7 of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#UMTS-FDD_Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths) Dec 16 02:22:25 "you first should make sure you're really looking at a UARFCN at all" <-- yeah, that. :) Dec 16 02:22:50 "then make sure if it's meant for UpLink or for DownLink" <-- and that. :) Ug. Dec 16 02:23:30 Why do people so often make the simple hard? Oy vey. :-/ Dec 16 02:28:04 well, their goals were not your goals, they are not interested in the actual RF frequency Dec 16 02:28:31 and tbh I wonder why you are Dec 16 02:29:10 not means as "meh, doesn't matter" - I'm also interested in that kind of stuff/info, but I don't know why you are Dec 16 02:30:40 maybe for solving the problem you're tackling there's a simpler way. E.G. when carriers would publish the UARFCN they support Dec 16 02:31:58 alas BB5 modem is really braindamaged when it comes to extended AT commandset Dec 16 02:32:54 maybe reading ISI specs and implementing an according function on phonet IF level would provide the info you're interested in Dec 16 02:33:22 ~isi Dec 16 02:33:23 methinks isi is Ingénierie des Systèmes Informatiques Dec 16 02:33:28 ~useless Dec 16 02:33:29 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( Dec 16 02:47:55 amonk: sth like sftp://jr@lagrange.cloud-7.de:22022/home/jr/www-jr/maemo/hidden/docs/ISI/Wireless Modem API G2 V2 11w05.zip Dec 16 02:48:36 dang Dec 16 02:48:59 google for "Wireless Modem API G2 V2 11w05.zip" Dec 16 02:53:28 http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V3%2011w25.zip **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 16 03:00:01 2013