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Dec 16 03:01:59 <amonk> DocScrutinizer05:  Still looking into your DCS comment (though it seems pretty unlikely because I'm using T-Mobile in the USA, which is in the process of moving their UMTS from AWS to PCS [i.e. not DCS, so I *should* be using a UARFCN in band 4 or 2 only, at least when not roaming].  Why am I interested?  There are many reasons to want/need to know such things, as you are clearly aware.  In this case, I have an old amplifier and antenna, each of which suppo
Dec 16 03:03:18 <DocScrutinizer05> seems your client doesn't know about continuation lines
Dec 16 03:03:40 <DocScrutinizer05> (trunkated at >>I have an old amplifier and antenna, each of which suppo<<)
Dec 16 03:04:19 <DocScrutinizer05> amplifier?? :-o
Dec 16 03:05:15 <DocScrutinizer05> N900 not even has an official support to connect external WWAN antenna, not to think about amplifiers
Dec 16 03:05:38 <amonk> DocScrutinizer05: What exactly is that zip file?  I am using a Huawei E1691 at the moment (and an internal Iridium document for AT commands that is highly applicable, though for the wrong equipment).  Sure would like accurate docs, but my motto is "shitty docs are better than no docs." lol
Dec 16 03:06:35 <DocScrutinizer05> Iridium? douböe-plus- :-O
Dec 16 03:07:29 <amonk> Hmm.  Never had that "continuation" issue.  Here's the rest (or at least more - lol - let me know). ..."each of which support band 2, so if I am actually using a tower which has already switched to to band 2, I can use the combo to significantly boost my signal in my current location (which is admittedly already pretty good), and thereby increase my bandwidth. :D  I *probably* don't really need the UARFCN in this case (need to check my amp and antenna specs
Dec 16 03:07:47 <DocScrutinizer05> probably any Iridium docs about AT are the least applicable for GSM/UMTS
Dec 16 03:08:44 <amonk> Their extended Hayes commands have the highest degree of hits I've found for this device.  Better doc suggestions quite welcome. :D
Dec 16 03:09:18 <amonk> I was surprised how accurate it is too.
Dec 16 03:10:55 <DocScrutinizer05> No clue about Huawei E1691
Dec 16 03:16:28 <nox-> there also is this:  http://www.3gpp.org/DynaReport/27007.htm
Dec 16 03:16:45 <nox-> i.e. http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/127000_127099/127007/11.08.00_60/
Dec 16 03:17:03 <nox-> (at commands etc)
Dec 16 03:18:16 <amonk> It's just a shitty USB stick (needs usb_modeswitch), but I already had it (though I had to unlock it when I went back into the USA - fuckers!), it's pentaband [including AWS] and has an external antenna port.  I'll switch to a PCIe inside myblack box at some point, but this works for now.  Consumer/COTS devices never have AT docs in my experience.  It's always a hack-n-slash proposition. :-/
Dec 16 03:18:41 <amonk> "What exactly is that zip file?"
Dec 16 03:18:43 <amonk> :)
Dec 16 03:19:21 <amonk> And what is "BB5 modem?"
Dec 16 03:21:05 <amonk> "maybe reading ISI specs and implementing an according function on phonet IF level would provide the info you're interested in" <-- yeah, some good docs on that would probably be pretty handy. :D
Dec 16 03:30:19 <amonk> nox-: Saw that first like, but it's all "meeting minutes" indirection or something - tl;dr.  That second link is a nice bullseye though.  That's probably more accurate than my Iridium docs - lol.  Will check it out later.  Thanks. :)
Dec 16 03:30:35 <amonk> s/like/link/
Dec 16 03:30:36 <infobot> amonk meant: nox-: Saw that first link, but it's all "meeting minutes" indirection or something - tl;dr.  That second link is a nice bullseye though.  That's probably more accurate than my Iridium docs - lol.  Will check it out later.  Thanks. :)
Dec 16 03:30:55 <amonk> inb4 :-P
Dec 16 03:31:35 <nox-> the first link links the second
Dec 16 03:31:56 <nox-> `RTS/TSGC-0127007vb80' in the right column
Dec 16 03:31:58 <amonk> DocScrutinizer05: And... why are *you* interested in such things? :)
Dec 16 03:32:59 <amonk> nox-: yeah, I'm sure it does if you dig around through all the links enough, but it was too much bureaucratic crap for me to digest at the time. :)
Dec 16 03:33:28 <amonk> Thanks again for the direct hit! :D
Dec 16 03:37:16 <amonk> I was in too big a hurry at the time.  I clicked on like 3 out of 200 damn links with no joy, gave up and moved on.  My bad.
Dec 16 04:11:45 <DocScrutinizer05> amonk: well, I do stuff like Neo900.org, or http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html
Dec 16 04:15:26 <amonk> Sa-weeeet!  Saw Neo900 pop up recently.  Sooo interested in that.  I have two N900s, so I'll definitely Neo one. :D
Dec 16 04:19:36 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_U91ipVWsF_2EiG3s6BKA  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_iJXZCYVI&noredirect=1
Dec 16 04:32:21 <DocScrutinizer05> so watching the second youtube link and reading the openmoko.org ML mail from 2008 it's based upon, you see why I'm interested in such stuff. It allows me to come up with ideas like this
Dec 16 04:34:04 <DocScrutinizer05> and for example that idea which provides Germany-wide location to an accuracy of up to 50m, without relying on GPS at all, I think that's worth it to learn about that stuff
Dec 16 04:35:33 <DocScrutinizer05> and when we can get sufficient control over the modem in Neo900, I might implement this locating function there, thus providing another very unique selling point for the Neo900
Dec 16 04:36:31 <nox-> does that only work with an o2 sim tho?
Dec 16 04:37:26 <amonk> DocScrutinizer05: Cool link on location stuff.  Here's one from me. :)  http://www.evdoforums.com/thread7394.html  ...although EVDOforums cut the end off as being probably a little too "in yer face." lol  It said...  "P.S.  And tell Dave Taylor to ask Kyle Amon!"  With a link to...  http://www.askdavetaylor.com/sprint_sierra_wireless_aircard_595_with_mac_os_x/  I don't know if he still does, but at the time, that clown was charging people to ask him geek qu
Dec 16 04:37:37 <DocScrutinizer05> the gauss-wegener coords are only available on O2(-Germany) BTS afaik. For other carriers you need a database about the location of BTS, which are already available for many carriers and countries
Dec 16 04:38:00 <nox-> ok
Dec 16 04:38:37 <DocScrutinizer05> amonk: you're also cutting off the ends... of your posts
Dec 16 04:39:37 <amonk> Huh.  Not me.  Maybe some new option I activated a while back.  I'll look into it soonish.  Where did the last one end?
Dec 16 04:40:37 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh* - prolly after the same cunt of chars as the 2 or 3 previous truncated ones
Dec 16 04:40:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ask him geek qu
Dec 16 04:41:05 <DocScrutinizer05> count, even
Dec 16 04:42:05 <DocScrutinizer05> whatever MYOB IRC is, it doesn't know to handle overlength posts
Dec 16 04:45:38 <amonk> MYOB is my custom CTCP version response to "Mind Your Own Business." lol
Dec 16 04:47:23 <amonk> It used to know.  I must have broken it lately when mucking with it. :-/  Thanks for letting me know.  Will put it into the fixit fifo. ;)
Dec 16 05:10:10 <amonk> Hadn't seen OpenPhoenux yet (or OHSW).  Nice.  Thanks. :)
Dec 16 05:10:34 <amonk> DocScrutinizer05: Are you the main driver of Neo900?
Dec 16 05:10:45 <DocScrutinizer05> well, prolly yes
Dec 16 05:11:12 <amonk> cool.  respect. :)
Dec 16 06:15:42 <SAiF> anybody play badminton?
Dec 16 06:16:09 <SAiF> which is a good racquet for a beginner.
Dec 16 07:46:52 <amonk> Be nice if this one had good audio. :-/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pPCvdnneTs
Dec 16 10:31:59 <iDavid> anybody here?
Dec 16 10:32:20 <iDavid> Heloo
Dec 16 10:33:07 <Sicelo> haha.. so fast
Dec 16 11:05:45 <DocScrutinizer05> amonk: http://privatepaste.com/91d6239105
Dec 16 11:05:48 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Dec 16 11:08:54 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/d2c4964327
Dec 16 11:13:30 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/16/plasma-desktopVU3389.png
Dec 16 11:20:39 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/16/plasma-desktopGw3389.png ;-D
Dec 16 11:24:21 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/16/plasma-desktopVp3389.png
Dec 16 11:25:30 * DocScrutinizer05 wishes the N900 BB5 modem would support this AT command OOTB
Dec 16 11:34:36 <DocScrutinizer05> at^smoni
Dec 16 11:34:37 <DocScrutinizer05> ^SMONI: 2G,786,-101,262,03,2401,8EEB,--,--,3,1,G,LIMSRV
Dec 16 11:36:58 <DocScrutinizer05> this is without any antenna(!) (-101dBm BCCH signal level) and no SIM (= LIMSRV, only 911 calls allowed)
Dec 16 11:39:46 <DocScrutinizer05> thus, without antenna: no neighbour cells
Dec 16 11:39:49 <DocScrutinizer05> at^smonp=255
Dec 16 11:39:51 <DocScrutinizer05> 2G:
Dec 16 11:39:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ----,--,----,---,---,-,-,--,--,----,----,--,--
Dec 16 11:39:54 <DocScrutinizer05> 3G:
Dec 16 11:39:55 <DocScrutinizer05> -----,---,-----,----
Dec 16 12:05:59 <DocScrutinizer05> FEDEX TRACKING NUMBER "7.975234E+11"  -- not found!  O*M*G!!!!
Dec 16 12:06:04 <jaska> :D
Dec 16 12:06:22 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks
Dec 16 12:06:47 <jaska> ive seen phone numbers as doubles before
Dec 16 12:07:07 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly how hard can it be to print a tracking number as string and not as scientific number
Dec 16 12:07:20 <DocScrutinizer05> JOLLA!!!!!!!!
Dec 16 12:07:32 <DocScrutinizer05> PLEEEEEAAAASE!
Dec 16 12:07:39 <jaska> ?
Dec 16 12:07:48 <zamn900> wt  
Dec 16 12:07:50 <zamn900> ..
Dec 16 12:17:15 <DocScrutinizer05> now I converted that shit to sth like 797523400000 and fedex tells me >>Not foun dNo record of this tracking number can be found. For more information, please contact Customer Service at 1.800.GoFedEx 1.800.463.3339<< - now if only I knew if I got the number right, or this is just a bogus crippled number the fsckdup Jolla mailing script created from the actual 12 (non-zero) digits of the true tracking number
Dec 16 12:18:49 <Raimu> Haha, "I rounded it up for you"
Dec 16 12:35:46 <DocScrutinizer05> not only Jolla fails to send proper multipart/alternative or even plaintext mails, now they send out my device and tell me to check/track on fedex with a float as tracking-ID. I bet this parcel will retur to them, since I can't catch the fedex drone which will inevitably result in "Address not found, return to sender"
Dec 16 12:38:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and of course the mail is from <noreply@jolla.com> THANKYOU!
Dec 16 12:39:53 <DocScrutinizer05> sure I'll call US-fedex customer service now, to find out that they also need at least proper tracking number - for a parcel adressed at GERMANY >:-(
Dec 16 12:41:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I honestly wonder how much you can mess up with one device to ship
Dec 16 12:42:12 <DocScrutinizer05> for the great t-shirt I got a tracking number 3 months before they shipped, I have no clue how that would've helped - unless I had checked every day if maybe status of my parcel changed
Dec 16 12:43:28 * DocScrutinizer05 angrily switches off the PHS8-P Neo900-protoboard, to not drain battery while ranting about silly Jolla. Then heads out to do more pleasant things
Dec 16 13:22:10 <DocScrutinizer05> >>we are very sorry that you have received the wrong tracking code.
Dec 16 13:22:11 <DocScrutinizer05> The lack of tracking code is due to a technical error and we are currently trying to solve this and resend your code.
Dec 16 13:22:13 <DocScrutinizer05> The good news is that your Jolla is on its way and you should receive it within a few days! 
Dec 16 13:22:14 <DocScrutinizer05> Thank you for your patience!<<
Dec 16 13:23:24 <DocScrutinizer05> NOT without tracking number, sorry Jolla but FEDEX is as silly as you are, just for not finding the door in our house
Dec 16 13:24:03 <DocScrutinizer05> so I don't think this are exactly the good news
Dec 16 13:25:42 <ampharos> calling it, jolla deader than n9 on arrival
Dec 16 13:25:54 <DocScrutinizer05> right
Dec 16 13:26:27 <ampharos> i bet 50 east german marks
Dec 16 13:27:49 <DocScrutinizer05> at least they hired a premium first level help desk and customer care
Dec 16 13:28:22 <DocScrutinizer05> which actually answers in 20min and is indeed capable of sending plain text mails instead of HTML-only
Dec 16 13:40:33 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer05; i heard if you take order number (either the long one, or the short one in the url in my orders), you can find package by reference on fedex
Dec 16 13:40:50 <ShadowJK> Also, many people reported jolla arriving before tracking code email
Dec 16 13:41:23 <ShadowJK> So your jolla might be halfway to Uzbekistan already, or wherver fedex's "Convenient" stash of "recipient not at home" packages go
Dec 16 13:41:26 <ShadowJK> :/
Dec 16 13:42:21 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Dec 16 13:42:42 <DocScrutinizer05> don't get the "order number" trick
Dec 16 13:44:00 <ShadowJK> Ya dunno, think someone was hacking randomm copypasted numbers into fedex and accidentally found their jolla
Dec 16 13:52:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I think that doesn't work
Dec 16 13:52:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't come up with more made up numbers that have any relation to my order. And the ones I tried are almost all invalid
Dec 16 13:53:23 <ShadowJK> not tracking numbers, but by reference
Dec 16 13:53:27 <ShadowJK> whatever that means
Dec 16 14:26:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't see a way to serch "by refrence" on fedex
Dec 16 14:31:23 <DocScrutinizer05> there's "frachtbriefnummer" you can serch for, but that doesn't yield any result either
Dec 16 14:33:49 <ShadowJK> ircers said it was a page with src dst countries and "reference"
Dec 16 14:33:51 * ShadowJK shrugs
Dec 16 14:34:10 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
Dec 16 14:36:10 <DocScrutinizer05> I have a hex "order id" and "Order #200001553 - Shipped" from https://shop.jolla.com/sales/order/view/order_id/3147/ and "Your Shipment #200000382 for Order #200001553" from that nonsensical mail
Dec 16 14:36:56 <DocScrutinizer05> then there's "SKU    311013103A1110131001" which I bet is same for every customer
Dec 16 14:37:13 <ShadowJK> and scientific notation tracking number
Dec 16 14:37:17 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Dec 16 14:37:42 <DocScrutinizer05> which most definitely has 6 digits rounded away
Dec 16 14:39:28 <ShadowJK> what's your postal code?
Dec 16 14:39:34 <DocScrutinizer05> and I'm feeling pretty pissed about jolla stealing my time
Dec 16 14:39:42 <DocScrutinizer05> 90429
Dec 16 14:41:54 <ShadowJK> found it
Dec 16 14:42:41 <ShadowJK> i think they attempted deliver already :P
Dec 16 14:42:48 * ShadowJK tries to figure out how to link this
Dec 16 14:44:23 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer05: fedex.de -> verfolgen dropdown (oben mitte) -> Per referenznummer verfolgen (ganz rechts 2tes von unten)
Dec 16 14:44:39 <DocScrutinizer05> Kunde nicht angetroffen oder Geschäft geschlossen
Dec 16 14:44:44 <DocScrutinizer05> >:-((
Dec 16 14:44:54 <ShadowJK> you found it too?
Dec 16 14:45:00 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, finally
Dec 16 14:45:07 <DocScrutinizer05> weird shit
Dec 16 14:45:25 <ShadowJK> so it's on its way to fedex pickup point in Uzbekistan then
Dec 16 14:55:30 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
Dec 16 14:56:24 <ShadowJK> :D
Dec 16 14:56:33 <DocScrutinizer05> if Jolla had asked, I could've told them that fedex regularly fails to understand that the door of our house is at the backside
Dec 16 14:56:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and thus sending by fedex is generally useless
Dec 16 14:57:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I won't make a door at frontside for the fedex idiot
Dec 16 14:57:50 <ShadowJK> I hate couriers
Dec 16 14:57:58 <ShadowJK> Except one, that was awesome
Dec 16 14:58:22 <ShadowJK> The doors were locked, and I was away, but he managed to get in, and had left parcel on kitchen table :D
Dec 16 14:58:34 <till> DocScrutinizer05 i got the same..
Dec 16 14:58:50 <till> although I was at home during the time noted....
Dec 16 14:58:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: LOL
Dec 16 14:58:58 <DocScrutinizer05> burglar
Dec 16 14:59:05 <ShadowJK> :)
Dec 16 15:00:13 <DocScrutinizer05> till: I was at home too, but I didn't know I had to hang out of the window and wait for the fedex dummy to stop in front of my house
Dec 16 15:01:10 <till> we even have a small shop in our house, but they didn't delivered there but just put a note "we missed you". and nothing about how to continue..
Dec 16 15:01:16 <DocScrutinizer05> since Jolla didn't manage to send this idiotic mail before the parcel arrived and moved on
Dec 16 15:01:33 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Dec 16 15:01:36 <till> dhl ftw
Dec 16 15:01:40 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
Dec 16 15:01:49 <DocScrutinizer05> fedex is abysmal
Dec 16 15:02:33 <DocScrutinizer05> they are so busy delivering parcels a second and third time that they have no time doing it right on the first try
Dec 16 15:02:47 <till> the support chat now changed the address to my office
Dec 16 15:02:52 <DocScrutinizer05> and then they complain that they don't earn money
Dec 16 15:03:15 <DocScrutinizer05> support chat? hah, I failed to even get there
Dec 16 15:04:02 <DocScrutinizer05> which maybe is a good thing, since otherwise random rogue person would redirect my parcel to Russia
Dec 16 15:04:04 <till> well I don't want to pay more money for their support hotline...
Dec 16 15:04:19 <till> and there is no note about a second try
Dec 16 15:04:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I at least have "will retry tomorrow"
Dec 16 15:05:20 <till> every other courier just deliveres to the small shop downstairs... but not fedex....
Dec 16 15:05:31 <DocScrutinizer05> also supposedly there's a miss tag on my door (no it's not) or somewhere where I yet have to spot it
Dec 16 15:05:41 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
Dec 16 15:06:47 <DocScrutinizer05> every other courier delivers to my neighbour, particularly since I alwas write "c/o <neighbour1>/<neighbour2>", but sure, not fedex
Dec 16 15:07:24 <till> well, tomorrow will be exactly one week until christmas... 
Dec 16 15:08:17 <DocScrutinizer05> tomorrow will be early enough to check if "does it blend?"
Dec 16 15:09:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't think of anything else I would want to do with jPhone, since it comes without flasher
Dec 16 15:10:02 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe sell on ebay and make a few bucks
Dec 16 15:11:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I already hate that device before I have seen it a single time
Dec 16 15:11:49 <DocScrutinizer05> and that experience today didn't help, not at all
Dec 16 15:56:49 <Win7Mac> surprised to see you ordered a jolla, Doc, but... just to find out if it blends?
Dec 16 15:57:36 <ampharos> nah, see how bad the dumbkopfs were
Dec 16 16:02:40 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf?
Dec 16 16:03:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess none of my last 4 lines made it?
Dec 16 16:03:39 <Win7Mac> no
Dec 16 16:03:49 <DocScrutinizer05> Win7Mac: I regret I didn't preorder 5
Dec 16 16:03:52 <DocScrutinizer05> Win7Mac: best deal ever, they go on ebay for 250%
Dec 16 16:03:54 <DocScrutinizer05> so, if I had the money, I should've preordered 100
Dec 16 16:03:58 <DocScrutinizer05> and then have a looooong holiday and forget about all this mess
Dec 16 16:05:04 <Win7Mac> but why you bought it? you build your own device after all...
Dec 16 16:06:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I usually like to disassemble and scrutinize hardware. But not this one, since it's maximum boring and has not a single interesting aspect. Qualcom Snapdragon, no schematics, no docs for SoC, not even a flasher...
Dec 16 16:07:33 <DocScrutinizer05> I only can keep my level of experise by learning from other designs and see where they had good ideas, or maybe where they failed and I should avoid to do same mistake
Dec 16 16:07:47 <DocScrutinizer05> Jolla doesn't even serve for the latter
Dec 16 16:09:45 <DocScrutinizer05> Win7Mac: but I didn't know any of those details when preorder window been open
Dec 16 16:10:00 <Win7Mac> you could develop other halves, which btw is quite similar to N900 design ;)
Dec 16 16:10:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I know, they copied GTA04
Dec 16 16:10:20 <Win7Mac> hehehe
Dec 16 16:11:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and I asked stskeeps about details/docs regarding TOH I2C interface, so I could start a tiny project to build hw-kbs-TOH. Answer: NULL*
Dec 16 16:11:54 <DocScrutinizer05> s/kbs/kbd/
Dec 16 16:11:54 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: and I asked stskeeps about details/docs regarding TOH I2C interface, so I could start a tiny project to build hw-kbd-TOH. Answer: NULL*
Dec 16 16:12:07 <Win7Mac> some others from jolla on tmo too
Dec 16 16:12:15 <Win7Mac> rainisto e.eg.
Dec 16 16:12:35 <Win7Mac> w00t
Dec 16 16:12:46 <DocScrutinizer05> so?
Dec 16 16:12:51 <Win7Mac> sure
Dec 16 16:13:36 <Win7Mac> MSameer too
Dec 16 16:22:01 <DocScrutinizer05> Win7Mac: honestly, I don't feel like supporting this "project". It doesn't feel right to me, it seems even worse than maemo/meego ever been
Dec 16 16:22:52 <DocScrutinizer05> this is my personal take on it, of course I'll support community on their following the rat piper
Dec 16 16:25:08 <DocScrutinizer05> pied piper? hmmm
Dec 16 16:25:35 <Win7Mac> still its a better alternative to the 2,5 big players
Dec 16 16:30:32 <Win7Mac> any idea why the timestamps in Hexchat shows actual time for all missed lines. Is this a client- or znc-problem?
Dec 16 16:31:09 <Win7Mac> I mean actual time = time of opening hexchat
Dec 16 16:32:28 <DocScrutinizer05> this is a feature of clients
Dec 16 16:32:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ZNC offers the true timestamp, either leading or trailing
Dec 16 16:33:10 <DocScrutinizer05> moin dos1
Dec 16 16:35:36 <DocScrutinizer05> Win7Mac: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/16/plasma-desktopNa3389.png
Dec 16 16:37:07 <vi__> does jolla use the same VM task swap BS that makes android suck so many asses?
Dec 16 16:37:19 <Win7Mac> thanks, unfortunately I seem to have no settings for that in Hexchat
Dec 16 16:37:32 <DocScrutinizer05> that's ZNC!
Dec 16 16:38:02 <Win7Mac> I know, but you said "it's a client feature"
Dec 16 16:38:31 <DocScrutinizer05> the timestamp you see is a client feature
Dec 16 16:39:18 <DocScrutinizer05> <Win7Mac> any idea why the timestamps in Hexchat shows actual time for all missed lines. Is this a client- or znc-problem? <DocScrutinizer05> this is a feature of clients
Dec 16 16:39:56 <DocScrutinizer05> client can't know what's a "missed line"
Dec 16 16:40:07 <Win7Mac> Hexchat = client, ZNC = bouncer
Dec 16 16:40:17 <DocScrutinizer05> if it would, you wouldn't need a bouncer
Dec 16 16:40:52 <DocScrutinizer05> so each client tags all inbound lines with current time 
Dec 16 16:41:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ZNC however has an option to tag the lines in "body" with the "true" timestamp
Dec 16 16:42:11 <DocScrutinizer05> so for "missed lines" you get *two* tmestamps
Dec 16 16:43:28 <Win7Mac> so it *is* a setting in ZNC... what would the format be then? (like [%H:%M:%S])
Dec 16 16:44:10 <DocScrutinizer05> I told you [2013-12-16 17:32:53] <DocScrutinizer05> ZNC offers the true timestamp, either leading or trailing
Dec 16 16:44:19 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-12-16 17:37:32] <DocScrutinizer05> that's ZNC!
Dec 16 16:44:34 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/16/plasma-desktopNa3389.png
Dec 16 16:52:17 <Win7Mac> got it, thanks
Dec 16 16:57:16 <ShadowJK> This N900 seems to corrupt optfs rather frequently..
Dec 16 16:57:34 <DocScrutinizer05> eeek
Dec 16 17:07:46 <ShadowJK> another trip to backupmenu..
Dec 16 17:12:58 <ShadowJK> lol
Dec 16 17:13:08 <ShadowJK> looks unfixable fs
Dec 16 17:21:50 <DocScrutinizer05> eMMC nroken?
Dec 16 17:21:59 <DocScrutinizer05> broken even
Dec 16 17:30:56 <ShadowJK> dunno
Dec 16 17:31:14 <ShadowJK> each fsck pass seems to make it worse
Dec 16 17:31:25 <ShadowJK> Had an unexpected shutdown earlier today, mightve started from that
Dec 16 17:31:36 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: which fsck?
Dec 16 17:31:43 <freemangordon> what version that is
Dec 16 17:31:55 <ShadowJK> whatever is in backupmenu
Dec 16 17:33:01 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: does backupmenu comes with its own fsck?
Dec 16 17:33:30 <ShadowJK> Yeah I think so
Dec 16 17:34:28 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: in cssu-devel there is pretty much recent e2fsprogs (or whatever it is called), the other option is to boot RescueOS
Dec 16 17:38:28 <ShadowJK> 1.4.1.3.maemo0
Dec 16 17:40:03 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: in cssu-devel is 1.42.5-1.1maemo1, it is stable, will be included in next cssu-t
Dec 16 17:40:41 * ShadowJK restored from backup, as 1.4.1... made a mess :)
Dec 16 17:40:53 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: iirc rescueos comes with 1.42.7
Dec 16 17:41:51 <freemangordon> yeah, stock fsck is famous that it segfaults while repairing the fs :D
Dec 16 17:42:09 <freemangordon> leaving mess all aound
Dec 16 17:42:14 <freemangordon> around even
Dec 16 17:42:21 <sixwheeledbeast> Wasn't fsck on stock maemo causing NFS stale issues and corruption?
Dec 16 17:42:39 <sixwheeledbeast> fmg beat me to it 
Dec 16 17:42:57 <ShadowJK> oh god
Dec 16 17:43:04 <ShadowJK> did cssu enable fsck on boot?
Dec 16 17:43:10 <ShadowJK> that'd explain a thing or two
Dec 16 17:43:14 <sixwheeledbeast> t8.1 IIRC
Dec 16 17:43:22 * ShadowJK facepalms
Dec 16 17:43:32 <sixwheeledbeast> see changelog
Dec 16 17:43:45 <freemangordon> ShadowJK: only for a while, there was a follow-up update that disabled it 
Dec 16 17:43:58 <freemangordon> and that was 6 months or so ago
Dec 16 17:44:15 <ShadowJK> ok, so "NFS Stale" came onto fs without fsck help then
Dec 16 17:44:26 <freemangordon> (unless there is a new update I am not aware of :) )
Dec 16 17:46:23 <sixwheeledbeast> T8.0 enabled it, T8.1 disabled it.
Dec 16 17:46:40 <sixwheeledbeast> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog
Dec 16 20:47:47 <Ori_88> hi guys, i'm a newbie, after updating my n900 keeps rebooting, i'm following instructions on reflashing it, i downloaded the image but the link for the flasher 3.5 doesn't work, anyone can help somehow?
Dec 16 20:49:04 <zamn900> ~flash
Dec 16 20:49:05 <infobot> maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Dec 16 20:49:18 <zamn900> ~flasher
Dec 16 20:49:19 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher, or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
Dec 16 20:49:23 <Ori_88> i'm looking exactly at that same page
Dec 16 20:49:33 <zamn900> enjoy
Dec 16 20:51:10 <Ori_88> thanks zamn900, but the download links don't work
Dec 16 20:51:27 <zamn900> DocScrutinizer05, 
Dec 16 20:51:35 <Ori_88> at least not in my pc
Dec 16 20:54:04 <Ori_88> does anyone have "flasher 3.5" maemo somewhere in their hard-drive? it would be my christmas present
Dec 16 20:54:54 <faari> Ori_88: which operating system?
Dec 16 20:55:51 <Ori_88> windows 7, 64 or 32 doesn't matter ( i have 2 laptops)
Dec 16 20:56:15 <zamn900> i am on my n900 sry
Dec 16 20:56:47 <zamn900> the main users I would expect use linux
Dec 16 20:56:57 <zamn900> anyway that's not a problem
Dec 16 20:57:27 <faari> Ori_88: https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=9b3feceb-789f-3e6d-0d51-2d4952f7b8d4
Dec 16 20:58:19 <faari> contains maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe, libusb-win32-bin-1.2.6.0.zip and instructions howto get flasher working on a 64bit windows
Dec 16 20:58:43 <zamn900> so also 32 bit
Dec 16 20:58:49 <zamn900> right?
Dec 16 20:58:56 <Ori_88> faari, thanks :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))   i couldn't find it anywhere, because n900 is old and i was revising 3 year old pages
Dec 16 20:58:58 <faari> yup
Dec 16 20:59:57 <Ori_88> but i got it 5 days ago and i think its a really nice device aniway
Dec 16 21:00:05 <faari> Ori_88: no problem
Dec 16 21:03:20 <qwazix> Ori_88, use "skeiron" along with your future google searches about N900 software 
Dec 16 21:06:44 <Ori_88> thanks qwazix!
Dec 16 21:07:03 <qwazix> yw
Dec 16 21:54:43 <Ori_88> wow it worked!
Dec 16 21:55:15 <Ori_88> i fhased it and it works again, and i still have the programs, i didn't even expect that
Dec 16 21:55:18 <zamn900> goof
Dec 16 21:55:20 <zamn900> good
Dec 16 21:55:22 <Ori_88> *flashed
Dec 16 21:56:06 <Ori_88> i mean i don't have the programs i had before
Dec 16 21:57:24 <Ori_88> but i'm scared of that happening again, i didn't do anything really wrong, i remember downloading "ssh maemo" community updates (or something like that) before it broke, anyone had similar problems?
Dec 16 21:58:14 <zamn900> ye
Dec 16 21:58:26 <zamn900> dont dist-upgrade
Dec 16 21:58:48 <zamn900> maybe neither upgrade with no common repository
Dec 16 21:59:11 <zamn900> sometimes deb installer bring repository that are not allowed
Dec 16 21:59:43 <Ori_88> what does "dont dist-upgrade" mean?
Dec 16 21:59:46 <zamn900> just use the default application manager or faster application manager
Dec 16 22:00:02 <zamn900> nevermind if you dont know 
Dec 16 22:00:09 <zamn900> better dont know
Dec 16 22:00:12 <Ori_88> hahaha
Dec 16 22:01:14 <Ori_88> i added some repositories addresses getting the link from some random page before it detected i had to upgrade and it eventually died, is that what you meant zamn900?
Dec 16 22:02:00 <zamn900> nope dist-upgrade is a command to over upgrade
Dec 16 22:02:13 <zamn900> it's like updating win
Dec 16 22:02:31 <zamn900> but with shrink to new win version
Dec 16 22:02:36 <zamn900> that's dist-upgrade
Dec 16 22:03:11 <zamn900> what you did is not properly reccomended anyway
Dec 16 22:03:35 <zamn900> especially if you don't know very well what you are doing
Dec 16 22:03:48 <zamn900> normal repository are ok
Dec 16 22:03:59 <zamn900> or just ask us
Dec 16 22:04:03 <zamn900> about more
Dec 16 22:04:28 <zamn900> such as before faari suggested skeiron
Dec 16 22:04:36 <zamn900> as source 
Dec 16 22:04:42 <zamn900> reliable 
Dec 16 22:04:49 <Ori_88> ok
Dec 16 22:05:40 <zamn900> and DocScrutinizer05 is the devil god master here
Dec 16 22:05:57 <zamn900> but now he seems finally sleepy
Dec 16 22:06:08 <zamn900> but sometimes he is not
Dec 16 22:06:10 <Ori_88> why?
Dec 16 22:06:11 <zamn900> often
Dec 16 22:06:43 <zamn900> actually is always awake
Dec 16 22:09:22 <Ori_88> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315901
Dec 16 22:09:42 <Ori_88> does that mean that i don't need to update repositories addresses in my new phone?
Dec 16 22:13:49 <zamn900> idk
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