**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 23 02:59:59 2013 Dec 23 07:28:38 Does anybody know of a way to fsck /home on an n900? I'm getting corrupted sqlite rtcom databases, so suspect disk issues there. Dec 23 07:34:17 remount it read only, fsck it and then remount it rw Dec 23 07:35:01 preferable with ; between commands and -y on fsck to be quick about it Dec 23 07:41:02 amonk: doing a fsck on a ro-mounted partition is safe? Dec 23 07:43:22 don't use fsck on device Dec 23 07:43:30 unless you updated it Dec 23 07:44:15 kerio: I'm not going to do this at all, unless somebody here says that it can be expected to not blow up my device :) Dec 23 07:45:07 kerio: is there a way to boot to some sort of rescue console without mounting /home? Dec 23 07:48:37 dima`: yes Dec 23 07:54:25 If you want to be super safe, you could use the flasher to boot the ubiboot kernel WITHOUT actually installing it and use it's rescue mode to do the fsck from your nixbook. Dec 23 07:54:49 oops, my bad. that's for meego/harmattan. Dec 23 07:55:15 but the same principle applies. fsck from your nixbook via usb however works. Dec 23 07:55:16 amonk: so no rescue boot for maemo? Dec 23 07:55:26 ok Dec 23 07:55:27 thanks Dec 23 07:55:43 I'm sure you can do it with maemo too. Dec 23 07:56:18 amonk: what were you referring to that was for meego/harmattan? Dec 23 07:56:53 if you go the usb route, you can also dd am image first to be safe. :) Dec 23 07:57:20 That was a boot loader that has a built in rescue mode. Dec 23 07:57:36 ah. ok Dec 23 07:57:53 ~rescueOS Dec 23 07:57:53 i guess rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Dec 23 07:58:25 boot from that, export mmcblk0 via usb mass storage Dec 23 07:58:41 and fsck whatever you want Dec 23 07:58:47 ^that sounds promising :) Dec 23 07:58:55 aha Dec 23 07:59:08 yes, that sounds like the way to go! Dec 23 07:59:14 glad I asked here Dec 23 09:25:55 ~flash Dec 23 09:25:56 rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 23 09:25:56 ~flasher Dec 23 09:25:57 methinks flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher, or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Dec 23 09:26:59 omg DocScrutinizer05 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php is 404 Dec 23 09:27:13 yes Dec 23 09:27:47 Nokia decided to discontinue that page and thus stop all support for maemo Dec 23 09:28:08 use skeiron Dec 23 09:28:32 or complain at Nokia care or Nokia customer support Dec 23 09:28:46 ok Dec 23 09:28:55 anyway which one is the newest DocScrutinizer05 ? Dec 23 09:29:04 or even do both please, and don't mix both I.E. don't tell Nokia Dec 23 09:29:10 http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ Dec 23 09:29:24 zammy: none of that stuff has changed since duh maybe 4 years Dec 23 09:29:35 ? Dec 23 09:29:45 duh? Dec 23 09:29:47 XD Dec 23 09:30:58 sorry DocScrutinizer05 I don't understand what you meant Dec 23 09:31:05 by what? Dec 23 09:31:51 shit... I must reflash my n900 again DocScrutinizer05 can I occasionally install neo900 os? Dec 23 09:32:02 wut? Dec 23 09:32:06 XD Dec 23 09:32:14 no such thing like neo900 OS Dec 23 09:32:38 alright DocScrutinizer05 .... which of that bin is the newest Dec 23 09:32:43 I never understood that Dec 23 09:32:45 sorry I'm busy doing real work Dec 23 09:32:49 http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ Dec 23 09:32:52 sigh Dec 23 09:33:27 -38, iirc Dec 23 09:33:32 zammy: pr1.3 is the newest Dec 23 09:33:39 and what in "this stuff didn't change since 4 years" you didn't understand? Dec 23 09:34:04 ~pr131 Dec 23 09:34:05 combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Dec 23 09:34:11 if that's what you wanna know Dec 23 09:34:43 -36.2 Dec 23 09:34:52 also in the download page on maemo-dev-env-downloads.php it's pretty BOLD tagged which is LATEST. In RED iirc Dec 23 09:36:41 thank you very much real worker DocScrutinizer05 Dec 23 09:36:56 and happy xmas Dec 23 09:37:04 and new year Dec 23 09:37:13 same to you. thanks Dec 23 09:42:41 dnag, now I start to think it's actually correct to call tmo being sailfish-flooded :-o Dec 23 09:42:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1399859#post1399859 almost one hour and not a single thanks yet Dec 23 09:43:42 DocScrutinizer05: isn't it too early in the morning? Dec 23 09:43:53 almost noon here Dec 23 09:43:54 it is holiday time after all, afaik Dec 23 09:44:22 is it a working day in your place? Dec 23 09:52:52 for me every day is working day, but yes this is a pretty normal day around here Dec 23 09:53:36 I see Dec 23 09:54:27 and what do you think about Neo900's new golden belt? Dec 23 09:55:08 I feel like this been one of my better ideas Dec 23 09:55:33 some "AAAH!" moment when everything falls into place Dec 23 09:57:05 mech support for kbd: solved (thus avoiding the "SIM defect" issue caused by modem (chips) popping off the PCB when bending it) Dec 23 09:57:25 spacer frame design drastically simplified Dec 23 09:58:13 a wealth of new options via the contact pads that come for free with this design, for charging, HDMI, whatnot else Dec 23 09:59:09 plus I finally found a pretty natural place for the diagnostic LEDs I plan to get to show e.g. Modem sending, WLAN powered, etc pp Dec 23 10:00:09 (need to design in a convenient way to kill the LEDs when user can't stand them) Dec 23 10:00:47 should be simple enough, a 0402 resistor is easily broken off the PCB Dec 23 10:02:11 SMD LEDs with exactly 0.8mm width (== PCB thickness) seem readily available Dec 23 10:24:46 HELO Dec 23 10:44:39 ehlo Dec 23 12:08:54 <_maniac_> hi. happy new n900 user here. Dec 23 12:09:16 <_maniac_> fcam drivers doesn't work with kernel_power, is it expected? Dec 23 12:11:33 they're rather picky with which kernels they work :\ Dec 23 12:11:47 that's from my experience at least. Dec 23 12:47:17 so, that's me again, and I'm still trying to install flite 1.4 . The only dependency that is missing is dpkg (>= 1.15.4), but this is required only for the installation, right? So it's not really needed for the program to be run, right? Dec 23 12:47:45 I've tried compiling it from source right on my device, but it seems like it needs much more RAM than I expected Dec 23 12:48:09 so currently it is stuck constantly swapping for several hours Dec 23 12:48:49 so what should I do? Dec 23 12:51:34 is there any way to compile it on my pc and then install it on n900? I've seen some stuff about sdk but I don't understand what should I do in my particular case Dec 23 12:51:47 can somebody help me out? Dec 23 12:52:07 Sysaxed: the easiest way is to get SDK vmware image Dec 23 12:52:26 freemangordon: sounds good, where can I get it? Dec 23 12:52:53 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ Dec 23 12:52:54 I see Dec 23 12:53:04 hmm, wait Dec 23 12:53:40 ~flashing Dec 23 12:53:41 maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 23 12:54:39 Sysaxed: the links are broken Dec 23 12:55:30 Sysaxed: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ Dec 23 12:56:05 DocScrutinizer05: BTW do we have SDK vmware images hosted on mo? Dec 23 12:56:24 I think so Dec 23 12:56:53 as far as "hosted on m.o. goes" Dec 23 12:56:57 someone should edit the wiki page to not point to tablets-dev.nokia.com Dec 23 12:57:15 yeah, *someone* should Dec 23 12:58:02 DocScrutinizer05: I can do it, if only I could find where on mo are those Dec 23 13:00:09 DocScrutinizer05: OMG!!! http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/ Dec 23 13:03:20 http://maemo.org/ -> "Get Cordia and run Hildon Desktop on MeeGo(tm)" -> probably not what was originally intended Dec 23 13:10:35 sup DocScrutinizer05 Dec 23 13:10:48 ohai teotwaki Dec 23 13:11:12 fyi, I'm going to be consolidating my servers Dec 23 13:11:22 so I might have to take down maemo-backup Dec 23 13:11:29 dunno if it's still used. Dec 23 13:14:26 teotwaki: aren't you hosting that MXR stuff? Dec 23 13:14:49 we would like to host that on m.o. servers Dec 23 13:15:11 missing it since quite a while Dec 23 13:15:37 http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ Dec 23 13:16:05 mxr.maemo.org Dec 23 13:17:21 I can give you an sftp access if you want to get some of that stuff back Dec 23 13:17:33 I'll probably take down the server late next month. Dec 23 13:18:01 we don't need that maemo backup/mirror, we got the original ;-) Dec 23 13:18:13 we need mxr though Dec 23 13:18:14 Did you check everything that's on it? Dec 23 13:18:20 no Dec 23 13:18:57 I have a backup of the wiki, MohammadAG's stuff, tableteer, merlin1991's stuff, etc. Dec 23 13:19:07 but the guys doing that are tired checking and comparing and tend to simply do mirrors of mirrors of mirrors of.... Dec 23 13:19:30 well, I mirrored it when Nokia was shutting down everything Dec 23 13:19:44 Then I was told (almost scolded) to stop the rsyncing, as I was pummeling the servers Dec 23 13:19:54 I asked 6 months if it was still used, people told me to keep it Dec 23 13:20:04 now I'm tired of having that shit around for apparently no reason Dec 23 13:20:14 yes, since we needed the BACKUPs Dec 23 13:20:30 so I'm just saying: If anyone needs it, grab it, it'll be down end of January. Dec 23 13:20:31 not mirrors mirroring stuff rotting Dec 23 13:20:46 again, do you host MXR? Dec 23 13:20:51 nope Dec 23 13:20:59 not that I'm aware of, not sure what MXR is. Dec 23 13:21:01 then that's been timeless Dec 23 13:21:15 MXR is maemo LXR Dec 23 13:21:56 You mean this: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ Dec 23 13:21:59 ? Dec 23 13:22:00 I'll try to find somebody to allocate to the task of comparing wedropit to skeiron et al Dec 23 13:22:08 YES! Dec 23 13:22:19 http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/do_you_need_a_maemo_lxr-type_service/ Dec 23 13:22:54 DocScrutinizer05: much appreciated. Dec 23 13:23:28 sorry if I'm being a dick about this, but I'm at over 300€ in servers, I want to get down to 50€. Dec 23 13:23:31 please send info about sftp account to techstaff@maemo.org Dec 23 13:23:46 So I'm just going to get a big server and create VMs, but full dedis is too much work. Dec 23 13:23:56 will do. Dec 23 13:24:17 we will prolly just download everything, and then _never_ sort out Dec 23 13:24:20 ;-P Dec 23 13:24:28 idc :P Dec 23 13:25:07 I think our aux storage on m.o has a few free TB still Dec 23 13:25:22 freemangordon: could you maybe take care? Dec 23 13:25:46 freemangordon: contact teotwaki and warfare (the latter for access to aux HDD) Dec 23 13:27:54 warfare: or simply tell warfare the scp command ;-) Dec 23 13:28:30 Do you guys want an scp/sftp-only account, or would you like ssh access so you send the stuff directly to another server? Dec 23 13:29:11 hmm, we have ssh account on the target server ;-) Dec 23 13:29:49 so prolly a scp/sftp whatever is just fine Dec 23 13:30:01 k Dec 23 13:31:09 merlin1991: ^^^ please read backscroll and see what you think about the whole thing Dec 23 13:31:59 I guess ideally we'd use rsync, but... Dec 23 13:32:50 after cp -l $local $local-for-rsync Dec 23 13:33:25 I bet 99.999% are duplicate Dec 23 13:33:31 redundant Dec 23 13:36:21 freemangordon: what is the default password? :)) Dec 23 13:36:49 for what? Dec 23 13:37:33 12345, rootme, password, root... just a few for your convenience Dec 23 13:37:42 vmware image Dec 23 13:37:57 prolly rootme Dec 23 13:38:13 or maybe maemo Dec 23 13:38:37 ask freemangordon, sorry busy, o/ Dec 23 13:38:48 ohhhhhhhhhh Dec 23 13:39:25 it was 'maemo' in qwerty keyboard Dec 23 14:12:35 how do I ./configure in scratchbox? Which --host or --target should I use? Dec 23 14:18:11 anybody? Dec 23 14:20:33 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-12-23-162015_857x538_scrot.png Dec 23 14:22:39 This makes it to continue ./configure --host randomstring Dec 23 14:22:49 but I'm pretty sure that it is not a right way to do it Dec 23 14:29:07 you don't even know what you are compiling for? Dec 23 14:29:09 what. Dec 23 14:31:15 jon_y: well, I don't get it. Should it be arm or armel or arm-linux or what? Dec 23 14:32:34 or that arm-unknown-linux-gnu Dec 23 14:33:18 the whole idea of scratchbox is you don't need to set those Dec 23 14:33:24 qemu is usually involved Dec 23 14:33:38 somewhere in a chroot env Dec 23 14:37:52 you set SB target accordingly. There's only X86 and the arm target preconfigured Dec 23 14:39:04 then you build for the emulated "native" target which is arm in case you set SB target to arm Dec 23 14:41:31 you have set SB target to "sbox-FREMANTLE-ARMEL" Dec 23 14:42:14 is it possible to fire a pop up notification (like when receiving sms) via a dbus call from console? Dec 23 14:42:20 no idea why your check for c compiler fails Dec 23 14:42:35 in the wiki i found only the other notification type ... Dec 23 14:42:36 ~phonecontrol Dec 23 14:42:37 methinks phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Dec 23 14:43:31 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Notifications Dec 23 14:44:27 but these are sadly only the "other type" of notifications, not that blinking one when receiving an sms or a missed phone call Dec 23 14:44:45 DocScrutinizer05: so I went to sb-menu and did some magic there Dec 23 14:45:04 selected qemu and something else... Dec 23 14:45:16 so now it works without even asking Dec 23 14:45:32 sure, that's how it's supposed to be Dec 23 14:46:10 hbib1: you mean that blinking icon in upper left corner? Dec 23 14:46:38 yep Dec 23 14:50:33 hmm, this been some nifty stuff about a counter counting up for each call you send to the notifier, can't recall it anymore Dec 23 14:51:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_an_.22Email_Style.22_notification_dialog Dec 23 14:51:52 here you are, I guess Dec 23 14:53:52 DocScrutinizer05: Thanks! Dec 23 14:53:53 note that 'control_bluetooth_paired' is probably the name of the class of notifications you want to use Dec 23 14:53:59 all of same class add up Dec 23 14:54:23 I guess you can make up and use your own class name Dec 23 14:54:29 i will experiment :) Dec 23 15:17:27 Yes 'control_bluetooth_paired' is the way to do it, IIRC it has a green tick in the message popup and also opens a missed call type window. Why not use a info or dialog popup? Dec 23 15:18:27 hi Dec 23 15:18:35 wi-fi issue here Dec 23 15:18:38 http://paste.debian.net/72328/ Dec 23 15:20:18 i'm trying to connect to an AP with 801.2x EAP security. the syslog above seems to suggest to me that maemo tries to see if the system certificates can be used for this.. then it bombs out once it sees the expired cert (utoridad de Certificacion Firmaprofesional) Dec 23 15:20:23 any ideas? Dec 23 15:21:36 so atm, i can't connect to this AP Dec 23 15:27:51 <_maniac_> what do you recommend for backing up contacts and messages on linux? Dec 23 15:27:57 <_maniac_> preferably gui-less Dec 23 15:32:47 <_maniac_> I mean, i have obex-data-server installed, but I can't figure out how to make it actually backup data Dec 23 15:35:03 So, okay, so now this application is installed in scratchbox, how can I move it to the actual device now? Dec 23 15:38:38 should I just move /usr/local to the device? Dec 23 15:41:33 if you haven't made a deb, that looks like it for sure.. ssh should be very handy Dec 23 15:42:30 sixwheeledbeast: i like that message notification pop up and want to implement it for my chroot claws-mail, so i have the same style for all kind of new messages(sms, whatsapp, e-mail) Dec 23 15:44:27 if it's for mail that's fine but it would annoy me for "standard" msgs. Dec 23 15:52:01 Sysaxed: does this "application" has debian packaging? Dec 23 15:53:06 freemangordon: I don't think so Dec 23 15:54:11 Sysaxed: hmm, is there a "debian/" subdirectory in the source directory? Dec 23 15:54:27 no Dec 23 15:54:27 Sysaxed: which application is that? Dec 23 15:54:31 freemangordon: flite Dec 23 15:54:52 Sysaxed: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flite Dec 23 15:54:58 freemangordon: there is flite 1.3 in maemo repos, I'm trying to install 1.4 Dec 23 15:55:35 freemangordon: the problem with 1.4 deb file is that it requires newer dpkg version, but dpkg is old in maemo Dec 23 15:55:46 get the tarball from debian, "dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot" it Dec 23 15:55:47 other dependencies are satisfied, as far as I can see Dec 23 15:55:57 hmm, weirs Dec 23 15:56:00 *weird Dec 23 15:56:13 Sysaxed: get the source package, not binary Dec 23 15:56:19 and build it in SB Dec 23 15:57:49 freemangordon: ohhh, sorry, but what should I do actually Dec 23 15:58:05 Sysaxed: get http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/flite/flite_1.4-release-2.debian.tar.gz Dec 23 15:58:11 freemangordon: currently I just downloaded the source of flite, compiled it, and now I'm trying to get it on my device Dec 23 15:58:22 freemangordon: and that's not what I should do, right? Dec 23 15:58:38 Sysaxed: the correct way IMO is to build a .deb Dec 23 15:58:48 freemangordon: that sounds right Dec 23 15:59:01 Sysaxed: so, gett the ^^^ file, along with: Dec 23 15:59:14 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/flite/flite_1.4-release.orig.tar.gz Dec 23 15:59:22 and http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/flite/flite_1.4-release-2.dsc Dec 23 16:00:06 after that run (in scratchbox, in the same dir those files are located) - dpkg-source -x flite_1.4-release-2.dsc Dec 23 16:00:39 cd to flite directory and execute - "dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot" Dec 23 16:00:54 Sysaxed: that way you'll have .deb that is compatible with maemo Dec 23 16:01:17 and.. that's it? Dec 23 16:01:25 yep :) Dec 23 16:01:34 freemangordon: where have you been? :(( Dec 23 16:01:41 well, if you have all the dependencies in place Dec 23 16:02:06 Sysaxed: give me 2 minutes, I'll check if that works Dec 23 16:02:15 freemangordon: hm, I wonder, is it possible to that right on n900? Dec 23 16:02:33 Sysaxed: not smart, even if possible Dec 23 16:03:57 Sysaxed: hmm, ok, won't be that simple, .dsc is 3.0 format Dec 23 16:05:24 freemangordon: then what? :) Dec 23 16:05:44 gimme 2 minutes Dec 23 16:05:44 ACTION gives freemangordon Dec 23 16:06:03 er Dec 23 16:06:41 Sysaxed: though you can just uncompress those tar.gz files by hand Dec 23 16:07:26 Sysaxed: though it has a dependency to texlive, where did you find that? Dec 23 16:07:53 freemangordon: what is texlive and where do you see that it is dependency? Dec 23 16:08:21 "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: texlive" Dec 23 16:08:34 Sysaxed: I guess it is in extras Dec 23 16:08:38 just a minute Dec 23 16:09:06 yep, it is there Dec 23 16:10:16 yes it is, but I wonder why would it need it Dec 23 16:11:02 no idea, maybe some docs Dec 23 16:11:14 anyway, building (without texlive) Dec 23 16:11:45 hmm, won't fly Dec 23 16:13:19 Sysaxed: ok, seems it builds now Dec 23 16:13:52 somehow when I was compiling from source I got binaries that were quiet huge... Dec 23 16:14:10 Sysaxed: so, get those 2 tar.gz files ^^^ Dec 23 16:15:08 exctract them, make sure to extract "debian" dir in flite-1.4-release dir Dec 23 16:15:30 edit debian/control and remove the dependency to "texlive" Dec 23 16:15:38 haha! Dec 23 16:15:51 okay Dec 23 16:15:51 Sysaxed: edit debian/compat and change 7 -> 5 Dec 23 16:16:16 Sysaxed: in flite-1.4-release directory execute: Dec 23 16:16:37 "QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push -a" without quotes Dec 23 16:17:20 after that execute "dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot -b" Dec 23 16:17:29 and you'll have it :) Dec 23 16:17:37 freemangordon: amazing Dec 23 16:17:42 freemangordon: thank you very much Dec 23 16:17:56 and maybe strip Dec 23 16:18:04 DocScrutinizer05: it will strip it Dec 23 16:18:08 aah Dec 23 16:18:09 I'm so starving, I've been trying to do that for the whole day Dec 23 16:18:11 dpkg-buildpackage that is Dec 23 16:18:21 so I'll have a little break for food and then I'll try it Dec 23 16:18:23 thank you very much Dec 23 16:18:26 np Dec 23 17:04:50 freemangordon: what should I do here? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-12-23-190359_1095x494_scrot.png Dec 23 17:05:10 unmet build dependencies... Well, of course these are not installed Dec 23 17:05:21 what should I do? I cannot apt-get install them Dec 23 17:08:29 honestly? screenshots made with camera? Dec 23 17:08:42 DocScrutinizer05: ? camera? Dec 23 17:09:04 umm, camera?? Dec 23 17:09:06 http://privatepaste.com/c761d13100 Dec 23 17:09:48 DocScrutinizer05: that screenshot was made with scrot. I'm not following you :) Dec 23 17:10:29 what ever scrot might be (sounds like a crippled scrotum ;-D ) Dec 23 17:11:26 I'm using pastebinit or similar tools, which has the advantage to paste plain text you highlighted before Dec 23 17:11:59 conveniently reduces amount of data to shuffle Dec 23 17:12:02 scrot is a screen capturing tool, it is the default screenshoting tool in most distros actually Dec 23 17:12:18 uhuh Dec 23 17:13:23 so how do I meet these dependencies? Or can I just use -d flag? Dec 23 17:13:38 well, this thing here is called Ksnapshot, but honestly I only use it when I *really* need pictures and not for console text Dec 23 17:15:15 well, yeah, but it takes me less than 5 seconds to take a screenshot and paste the link Dec 23 17:15:55 but whatever, I will use pastebin next time if you want so :) Dec 23 17:16:05 the KDE pastebin applet in widgets bar is surprisingly called pastebin Dec 23 17:16:48 and it takes me prolly 4 s to upload sth Dec 23 17:16:55 http://privatepaste.com/3b2582a5f3 Dec 23 17:17:38 yeah Dec 23 17:17:43 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-12-23-191740_454x98_scrot.png Dec 23 17:18:11 too bad it takes me 8s to download the bloat Dec 23 17:19:16 and I can't c&p it to refer to it or edit it for some fixing Dec 23 17:19:18 anyway, how can I fix these dependency problems in scratchbox? :) Dec 23 17:19:26 DocScrutinizer05: you're right Dec 23 17:20:13 sorry, I can't help with SB Dec 23 17:20:47 Sysaxed: you just need to apt-get install those missing packages? Dec 23 17:20:53 others might, but they might want to first c&p your command and reproduce your results locally Dec 23 17:22:05 ten edit it to verify what they want to suggest, then pastebin their modified command set Dec 23 17:22:08 then* Dec 23 17:22:56 I'm just trying to suggest a better way to post questions when they refer to commandline input/output Dec 23 17:23:48 png also doesn't really scale well to other screen resolutions and sizes Dec 23 17:24:14 agreed doc; i have to keep scrolling to see whats going on once firefox is occupying half my screen Dec 23 17:28:12 I might want to search for.... the list of unmet dependencies I had c&p to here or to grep, when this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-12-23-190359_1095x494_scrot.png wasn't a bitmap that's not possible to c&p any text from there Dec 23 17:28:45 err text2html Dec 23 17:29:02 nope texi2html Dec 23 17:29:11 I guess i made my point Dec 23 17:31:19 http://privatepaste.com/4672951600 Dec 23 17:32:40 see if you can `host google.com` Dec 23 17:32:53 or simply `ping google.com` Dec 23 17:33:17 looks to me like a connectivity/DNS problem Dec 23 17:34:01 Sysaxed: "fakeroot apt-get install texinfo gs-common texi2html autotools-dev autoconf libasound2-dev ed" Dec 23 17:34:24 freemangordon: W: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' Dec 23 17:34:31 whatever, I fixed my apt-get Dec 23 17:34:35 Sysaxed: but yeah, you need to fix your DNS first, check you network kard settings Dec 23 17:34:55 card even Dec 23 17:35:28 Sysaxed: is it building now? Dec 23 17:35:31 HMMM 404 Dec 23 17:35:44 yeah Dec 23 17:36:16 http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz maybe? Dec 23 17:36:32 yep, /etc/apt/sources.list needs to be fixed Dec 23 17:37:31 Sysaxed: http://pastebin.com/XygUdn21 Dec 23 17:38:10 * DocScrutinizer05 is evil[TM] - just thought it would be funny to send a .png Dec 23 17:39:21 prolly beating a dead horse, eh? Dec 23 17:40:49 freemangordon: http://privatepaste.com/117e3131f8 Dec 23 17:41:32 AH Dec 23 17:41:46 no.. Dec 23 17:42:02 Sysaxed: you're missing nikia-binaries Dec 23 17:42:06 *nokia Dec 23 17:43:59 Sysaxed: comment "maemo extras" repo, add nokia-binaries and apt-get update/apt-get upgrade Dec 23 17:47:53 freemangordon: http://privatepaste.com/8b6ad0a9ad Dec 23 17:50:00 whaaaat? Dec 23 17:50:04 "/var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5_i386.deb" Dec 23 17:51:22 Sysaxed: no idea why it tries to install 386 package in armel SB Dec 23 17:51:32 yes, this is weird. Dec 23 17:52:20 Sysaxed: hmm, try to install nokia-applications metapackage Dec 23 17:52:58 Sysaxed: "fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps" Dec 23 17:54:32 just a wild guess but check the nokia binaries in the sources.list, is x86 enabled instead of armel? There are both options iirc... Dec 23 17:56:08 thedead1440: hmm I don;t see such options Dec 23 17:56:57 oh ok then i must have seen that in skeiron's listing of nokia binaries... Dec 23 17:57:41 freemangordon: http://privatepaste.com/b385fed46d Dec 23 17:58:08 something is wrong here... Dec 23 17:58:24 Sysaxed: hmm, did you try to install build-essentiols? Dec 23 17:58:34 build-essentials* Dec 23 17:58:58 Sysaxed: anyway, you somehow managed to break the fremantle_armel target Dec 23 17:59:03 freemangordon: no, but same thing - lots of dependencies unsatisfied Dec 23 17:59:18 you'd better delete it and create it from scratch Dec 23 17:59:20 it is easy Dec 23 17:59:28 okay, then I just start the vmware image from scratch Dec 23 17:59:38 even better Dec 23 17:59:41 and start from scratch* Dec 23 17:59:47 not hard indeed Dec 23 17:59:57 okay... Dec 23 17:59:58 yep Dec 23 17:59:59 thanks! Dec 23 18:00:03 np Dec 23 18:00:24 Sysaxed: I won;t be available to help until tomorrow :) Dec 23 18:00:36 so - wish you luck Dec 23 18:01:02 Sysaxed: you may read http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation to get some idea what it is all about Dec 23 18:01:31 freemangordon: I think that I have everything needed, thank you very much :) Dec 23 18:02:04 Sysaxed: great, anyway, check 12 on that page Dec 23 18:53:28 YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dec 23 18:53:31 IT IS WORKING Dec 23 18:54:14 and even more than then Dec 23 18:54:36 if previously I had to use 'flite -t test -o - | play-sound -' Dec 23 18:54:53 now you can just 'flite -t test' Dec 23 19:00:02 what is flite? Dec 23 19:03:27 Sicelo: text-to-speech software Dec 23 19:03:34 similar to espeak or festival Dec 23 19:03:50 :o Dec 23 19:03:56 but the voice is much better, imo Dec 23 19:04:00 always been dreaming of text-to-speech to enable on irc :p Dec 23 19:04:11 so I can just follow irc conversations while standing in traffic :p Dec 23 19:04:15 how cool would that be! :p Dec 23 19:04:16 also it does not freak out if you pass time to it, like 12:35 Dec 23 19:04:22 and speech to text to reply back! :D Dec 23 19:05:04 now I have to understand how to get that into maemo repos.. :) Dec 23 19:15:07 hey guys, i need some help. I am building a kernel and for some reason it hangs after u-boot says "Starting kernel". Is there a way to see what's going on? (probably Pali knows the answer but he's not here) Dec 23 19:26:55 vakkov: have you got the framebuffer console compiled in and a kernel command-line parameter that says to use it? Dec 23 19:29:30 yes, it's on Dec 23 19:29:30 seems that the kernel doesn't start .. have had this problem before but can't remember what the solution was Dec 23 19:40:09 vakkov: test loading the kernel with flasher Dec 23 20:29:29 T2S -> pocketsphinx Dec 23 20:29:37 err S2T Dec 23 20:30:23 somebody made it "work" already, for maeo Dec 23 20:30:44 maemo* Dec 23 20:30:50 compiling pocketsphinx on n900 is not that hard... Dec 23 20:31:39 http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsphinxbase-dev/ Dec 23 20:32:17 http://maemo.org/packages/view/pocketsphinx-utils/ Dec 23 20:33:12 0.6 is way too old Dec 23 20:33:33 sure, I bet noboy did anything for it since 2 years Dec 23 20:33:47 nobody, but ... same Dec 23 20:34:08 nothing major... Dec 23 20:34:23 but some bugfixes happen...like memory leak fixes Dec 23 20:36:05 is it correct to say that maemo makes use of "quite outdated" HW and that it is probably hard to find corresponding HW where it would work on? Dec 23 20:36:36 or better, actuall devices that would run maemo Dec 23 20:37:02 no Dec 23 20:37:03 why do you want to say that? Dec 23 20:37:14 another mail from ghana... Dec 23 20:39:02 their asking for help for a new maemo-distro/UI (not very clear) and I wonder what HW they would make use of since they won't build their own device Dec 23 20:39:41 you can always try to port it on new hardware.. Dec 23 20:40:22 except the proprietary blobs of course Dec 23 20:40:35 which need RE Dec 23 20:40:52 see FPTF Dec 23 20:41:30 fptf? Dec 23 20:41:36 ~fptf Dec 23 20:41:37 fptf is, like, the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 Dec 23 20:42:41 hmm.. Dec 23 20:42:51 has it been done before? any recent device running maemo? Dec 23 20:44:11 with all the basic functionality running ofc Dec 23 20:44:19 damn. this is a real long list of closed packages Dec 23 20:45:26 that's why Neo900 aims at binary compatibility Dec 23 20:46:16 sounds like no armhf Dec 23 20:46:17 otherwise would could have... used a snapdragon based platform ;-P Dec 23 20:46:37 s/would/we/ Dec 23 20:46:37 DocScrutinizer05 meant: otherwise we could have... used a snapdragon based platform ;-P Dec 23 20:47:14 or at least OMAP5 Dec 23 20:48:00 I doubt you would have been able to get one. Dec 23 20:48:13 we are able to get them Dec 23 20:48:24 at least for Omap4 there was a real high number for mininum order Dec 23 20:48:29 i think that's basically what I meant, no *actual* cpu/gpu combo works ootb, right? Dec 23 20:48:59 OOTB? no Dec 23 20:49:23 nothing works OOTB, except N900 Dec 23 20:49:29 for fremantle Dec 23 20:49:33 ...or that could be "hacked" easily Dec 23 20:50:09 depends whom you ask Dec 23 20:51:06 fremantle works on beagleboard, after 6h of adaption work. 80% at least Dec 23 20:51:12 I'm trying to find the right words for my answer to them. I think they underestime the HW-part... Dec 23 20:51:34 I think they have no clue Dec 23 20:51:58 sounds a bit like that, yeah Dec 23 20:52:25 is it feasable with some community-support? Dec 23 20:53:00 no, since I will suggest community doesn't support a concurrent project to FPTF Dec 23 20:53:42 if those dudes want to use fremantle on a different platform or otherwise tweak it, they shall contribute to FPTF Dec 23 20:53:45 well, if all that is resolved, they have what they want, no? Dec 23 20:54:22 we won't open a sencong front Dec 23 20:54:28 second Dec 23 20:55:11 ok, I'll mention that thread, thanks Dec 23 21:01:07 hmm Dec 23 21:01:57 ideas what to respond still welcome! Dec 23 21:02:32 Win7Mac: From ghana? Is there any information their project? Dec 23 21:03:55 LuneShield Technologies Group... basically some students from ghana, nothing found in google Dec 23 21:04:28 The group consists of IT enthusiasts Dec 23 21:04:28 and developers of High School based in Ghana. We are currently working Dec 23 21:04:28 on a Development Project to improve upon education in Ghana and Africa Dec 23 21:04:28 at large. Our work through innovation would help bridge the gap Dec 23 21:04:28 between advanced schools and deprived ones. All this cannot be Dec 23 21:04:29 achieved without the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo Dec 23 21:04:31 Community with the Hildon Foundation. LuneShield Group hopes to Dec 23 21:04:33 establish a relationship with Hildon Foundation(Maemo Community) so as Dec 23 21:04:35 to aid in achieving our objectives. Dec 23 21:04:39 oops, sorry Dec 23 21:05:44 how sure are you that's not spam? Dec 23 21:06:21 quite Dec 23 21:06:32 it's advanced spam Dec 23 21:06:36 4th mail already Dec 23 21:07:17 and that guy exists, already googled him Dec 23 21:07:28 the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo - BWAHAHAHA Dec 23 21:07:56 I yeah, I googled too and found at least 5 guys with that name Dec 23 21:08:03 he's being poöite I guess Dec 23 21:08:16 polite and nice* Dec 23 21:09:11 5 students planning to start a business exploiting a OS they can get for free Dec 23 21:09:38 "The group consists of IT enthusiasts and developers of High School based in Ghana. We are currently working on a Development Project to improve upon education in Ghana and Africa at large. Our work through innovation would help bridge the gap between advanced schools and deprived ones. All this cannot be achieved without the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo Community with the Hildon Foundation. LuneShield Group hopes to establish a relat Dec 23 21:09:38 ionship with Hildon Foundation(Maemo Community) so as to aid in achieving our objectives." Dec 23 21:09:48 maemo is most open, by hierarchy Dec 23 21:10:25 err you already posted that Dec 23 21:12:02 if those guys had a faintest idea what is maemo and how it works, they would try to kick off apublic project instead of approaching HiFo Dec 23 21:13:18 but yeah, they can only win by begging HiFo for support. If it's only an account and a VM on maemo servers Dec 23 21:13:57 but sure they hope for more, best case a working OS for their project delivered by "the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo" for free Dec 23 21:15:30 I don't think it's a hoax and if they're working on an educational program, we should be open imho Dec 23 21:17:30 it's not a hoax, it's nonsense based on poor information paired with laziness and a mentality to see what you can get Dec 23 21:18:25 why don't they go for ubuntu? because maemo is so great for their project? NAH! because they can't talk canonical into supporting then, it seems a harder target Dec 23 21:18:44 them* Dec 23 21:19:27 or who knows, probably they *did* send same letter to canonical Dec 23 21:19:43 i wondered about ubuntu too, probably you're right, i just don't want to knock their idea Dec 23 21:20:03 or their approach Dec 23 21:20:21 suggest to them to read Dec 23 21:20:25 ~ask Dec 23 21:20:25 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Dec 23 21:20:28 err Dec 23 21:20:31 ~question Dec 23 21:20:31 extra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Dec 23 21:21:04 with a tad of abstraction all in there applies to here as well Dec 23 21:22:05 sure, they're not very clear about wht exactly they want Dec 23 21:22:36 if they had researched about maemo so much so they can claim it's "dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo Community with the Hildon Foundation" they MUST have noticed that their approach is illconceived Dec 23 21:23:48 since there basicaly is no such thing like an "ecosystem" around maemo (anymore) and particularly there#s just so much hiFo could do about that Dec 23 21:24:23 the only ecosystem I can see right now is Neo900.org Dec 23 21:25:00 heck there's not even a ovi store anymore, something that *maybe* dculd get called "ecosystem" Dec 23 21:25:10 could* Dec 23 21:26:01 they try to gain maximum return on minimum investment. Seems on you they succeeded - somewhat Dec 23 21:27:10 you're already acting as multiplier on their behalf Dec 23 21:27:33 yeah, i'm too soft, probably Dec 23 21:28:31 though never waste a spam, ask them how we can help ;-P Dec 23 21:29:06 you can have weeks of fun watching them asking for all sorts of material and immaterial assets Dec 23 21:29:59 "could you find somebody donating a faster PC to us?" "could you ask community to review that idea?" Dec 23 21:30:34 "do you have development devices?" Dec 23 21:32:33 honestly, ask them what the heck they want from maemo/HiFo Dec 23 21:33:25 >>LuneShield Group hopes to establish a relationship with Hildon Foundation(Maemo Community) so as to aid in achieving our objectives." is BS Dec 23 21:34:12 no idea how good their language-skills really are... Dec 23 21:34:17 we have no time to build relationships. Those build en passant while doing stuff together Dec 23 21:34:30 right Dec 23 21:54:15 I agree with DocScrutinizer05 unfortunately Dec 23 21:54:39 if it was serious the first thing you'd see would be a commit, not an email Dec 23 21:55:28 Win7Mac, ^^ Dec 23 22:00:57 mail sent, qwazix, you still in council-ML? - your last reply regarding this was very helpfull! Dec 23 22:01:21 seems to me that I am, just received something Dec 23 22:01:22 I actually c+p'ed your answer Dec 23 22:01:39 your last answer to this* Dec 23 22:02:50 Win7Mac, I never got the intermediate mails though Dec 23 22:03:36 the one you responded to was the second-but-last Dec 23 22:03:56 so nothing missed for you Dec 23 22:05:03 :nod: Dec 23 22:05:21 btw you've got a funny typo Dec 23 22:05:24 maeomo.org Dec 23 22:05:27 :) Dec 23 22:05:56 shot... Dec 23 22:06:21 very nice reply! Dec 23 22:06:27 spot on Dec 23 22:06:27 thanks! Dec 23 22:07:32 really need some feedback on this since I'm not 100% sure about the technical stuff **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 24 03:00:00 2013