**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 28 02:59:58 2013 Dec 28 08:12:46 finally finished installing SB/SDK :) Dec 28 08:15:44 a bit stuck now with step 12.1 & 12.2 in http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_using_Text-based_Installer Dec 28 13:53:38 moin :) Dec 28 13:58:29 moin Dec 28 13:58:33 LOL at self-made psychologists that tell me what I think/thought so I finally get to know about the weird evil mess in my own brain Dec 28 13:59:57 mourning, Doc Dec 28 14:00:03 hi RST38h Dec 28 14:00:25 Just start every conversation with "What are you wearing today?" Dec 28 14:02:14 I just dunno what to answer to bullshit like >>Community Council so you cover yourself linking to fmg saying it (hey I didn't say it, just linking *wink wink*)?<< Dec 28 15:15:42 earlier i installed the usb host mode on my n900 and then i was not able to use my camera... when ever i opened camera it said operation failed or device not available...... so i uninstalled the usb host mode and restarted Dec 28 15:15:59 now my deivce keeps rebooting and i see the nokia logo again ang again and again Dec 28 15:16:13 what do i do now ? how do i recover ? Dec 28 15:16:17 kindly help .. Dec 28 15:16:29 tomorrow is a big day for me and i need my mobile Dec 28 15:20:03 guys ! ? Dec 28 15:23:41 somebody please help me Dec 28 15:23:53 is reflashing the device only way to us emy device again ? Dec 28 15:29:33 could this be bootloop? Dec 28 15:29:39 ~bootloop Dec 28 15:29:40 bootloop is probably when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. Dec 28 15:36:35 NIN101: so reflashing is th eonly option ? cant we reconstruct the filesystem ? Dec 28 15:36:42 will i loose all data inside my mobile ? Dec 28 15:36:49 NIN101: thanks for answering first of all Dec 28 15:37:48 i read this manual http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Help-for-N900-that-randomly-reboot-and-that-have-stopped-booting/m-p/593949 Dec 28 15:38:03 and the download flasher link it says gives me a 404 Dec 28 15:39:36 ~flashing Dec 28 15:39:37 i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 28 15:41:18 assuming the fs is broken etc., reconstructing it would be quite difficult I assume. I would simply reflash. I am not sure whether you lose your phonebook, sms database etc., but MyDocs remains untouched. Dec 28 15:43:15 NIN101: is this the correct video to follow for flashing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zvRjL-2cM Dec 28 15:43:23 ? Dec 28 15:43:43 I don't know, I would read this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware from start to end. Dec 28 15:44:32 got two video links from that page and didnt know which one to follow Dec 28 15:45:15 similarly thre are two options under n900 in that pag....one is FIASCo which flashes and loads the rootfs alone and another says it flashes all 32 GB Dec 28 15:45:34 so i need to follow the FIASCO - is my understanding right ? Dec 28 15:45:45 just want to be sure before doing something wrong - sorry of the question is too noobish Dec 28 15:45:45 NIN101: ^ Dec 28 15:46:47 yes, I would give rootfs/FIASCO a try. Dec 28 15:51:34 NIN101: in the link you gave the download link for flasher gives me 404 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Dec 28 15:51:56 NIN101: you mean, i need to go for FIASCO because i need to retain the myDocs - right ? Dec 28 15:54:20 I said it would be very wise to read the wiki article from start to end, because I am not too familiar with this topic. There is also a link to a mirror mentioned in the article: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ :-). FIASCO because we are assuming a problem with your rootfs, and so there is no point in flashing EMMC or something. Dec 28 15:58:01 NIN101: oh ok Dec 28 15:58:08 thank you Dec 28 17:25:22 muhahahaha Dec 28 17:26:19 solofight: you uninstalled powerkernel Dec 28 17:26:40 aka no modules Dec 28 17:27:40 solofight: I'm really surprised that nobody gave proper advice to just reflash powerkernel Dec 28 17:27:58 DocScrutinizer05: doesn't help Dec 28 17:28:01 power kerner is still flashed Dec 28 17:28:06 what's he missing are the modules Dec 28 17:28:13 he could try to flash omap Dec 28 17:28:24 if the omap modules are still there Dec 28 17:28:26 the less I understand why NIN101 didn't suggest ~rescueos Dec 28 17:28:43 or flash the default kernel, yes Dec 28 17:29:21 or jusr use rescueos to see what modules are actually there, maybe install some sane modules, and then flash the matching kernel Dec 28 17:29:36 using rescueos isn't exactly easy though Dec 28 17:29:52 hmm Dec 28 17:30:10 i mean, if you don't have a firm-ish grasp on what's going on Dec 28 17:30:17 first and foremost I wonder why camera failed after flashing powerkernel Dec 28 17:30:24 rescueOS is suggested by the ~bootloop fuctinfo already. I also didn't know that powerkernel got uninstalled. Dec 28 17:30:34 s/fuctinfo/factinfo Dec 28 17:31:22 shouldn't the proper camera drivers get insatlled with powerkernel? Dec 28 17:32:14 it should Dec 28 17:32:16 ooh, there been this nasty dependency hell that requires either brute force, or uninstalling and reinstalling all camera apps that have a dependency to the drivers Dec 28 17:33:40 I really wonder if for this case the brute force (aka `mv`) variant wouldn't yield better UX Dec 28 17:34:20 I mean, poor solofight Dec 28 17:34:54 he just installed hostmode and got thoroughly screwed Dec 28 17:35:36 and I wonder who maintains host mode Dec 28 17:35:46 it's a kernel thing Dec 28 17:35:49 so pali/fmg? Dec 28 17:36:01 well, that's the question Dec 28 17:36:17 *my* hostmode seems been stable since years Dec 28 17:36:24 my hostmode works Dec 28 17:36:28 what hostmode? Dec 28 17:36:43 "my" as in "H-E-N" Dec 28 17:36:54 "my" as in "Pali's" Dec 28 17:37:02 yep, but what hostmode did he installed? Dec 28 17:37:10 who knows Dec 28 17:37:11 it's something he installed, so i assume it's H-E-N Dec 28 17:37:13 *install Dec 28 17:37:25 afaik h-e-n is maintained by mag Dec 28 17:37:27 solofight: are you still around? Dec 28 17:37:35 lol Dec 28 17:37:54 and is pretty much obsoleted by pali's HM Dec 28 17:37:59 afaik Dec 28 17:38:03 freemangordon: basically yes, if h-e-n would need maintenance then that's mag Dec 28 17:38:28 I can't agree on the "obsolete" Dec 28 17:38:44 also, was he talking about camera-ui or about fcam? Dec 28 17:38:49 pali's hm is based on pali's bme Dec 28 17:39:01 well, not really Dec 28 17:39:08 i suspect it is fcam Dec 28 17:39:18 if it's fcam you need to reinstall fcamera-drivers Dec 28 17:39:18 also: " so i uninstalled the usb host mode and restarted" Dec 28 17:39:22 or whatever the package is called Dec 28 17:39:44 that shouldn't happen Dec 28 17:39:52 unless pali's hostmode Dec 28 17:40:07 is HAM doing autoremove? Dec 28 17:40:07 which probably uninstalls the whole kernel ;-P Dec 28 17:40:22 yep, but why? Dec 28 17:40:31 nfc Dec 28 17:40:35 ask pali Dec 28 17:40:44 hmm, it could be that KP was puled as a dependency Dec 28 17:40:49 *pulled Dec 28 17:40:50 yes Dec 28 17:40:52 exactly Dec 28 17:40:53 that's why you don't put kernel dependencies in dpkg Dec 28 17:41:06 especially when dpkg can't exactly affect the kernel itself Dec 28 17:41:17 kerio: there is kernel-feature... dependency only, afaik Dec 28 17:41:39 that's why H-E-N afaik doesn't have such dependency and rather does check for a kernel property and even a runtime flag Dec 28 17:42:08 kernel feature that is Dec 28 17:42:52 hmm, I guess KP can check in pre-remove script and fail to uninstall if it is the currently flashed kernel Dec 28 17:43:01 and I bet o´pali's hostmode is depending on pali's bme for boost Dec 28 17:43:17 iirc that is not the case Dec 28 17:43:40 I have it installed, but no BME replacement on my "production" device Dec 28 17:43:52 so how does it work at all? Dec 28 17:44:01 no idea :D Dec 28 17:44:05 haha Dec 28 17:44:14 DocScrutinizer05: not quite BME replacement Dec 28 17:44:19 just the bq24k module iirc Dec 28 17:44:22 I trust Pali. Most of the time :D Dec 28 17:44:36 bq24k replacement IS bme Dec 28 17:44:40 nope Dec 28 17:44:50 kerio: yes Dec 28 17:44:53 bme replacement is the HAL module and the temp thing Dec 28 17:45:00 you can't run bme with a bq24150 module loaded Dec 28 17:45:08 kerio: no, it is ^^^ AND kernel modules Dec 28 17:45:20 well yeah, but they're preinstalled with kernel-power Dec 28 17:45:24 just not loaded Dec 28 17:45:26 :nod: Dec 28 17:45:35 that's fubar Dec 28 17:47:55 KP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure (by causing bme to segfault and cause reboot) when loaded Dec 28 17:48:06 no matter if loaded by default or not Dec 28 17:48:43 DocScrutinizer05: you can't modprobe bq modules Dec 28 17:48:52 they are disabled Dec 28 17:49:05 then why the heck they are there? Dec 28 17:49:20 you can insmod them ;) Dec 28 17:49:28 and how the heck is pali's hostmode using them nevertheless? Dec 28 17:49:42 stop bme && insmod Dec 28 17:49:43 toldya NFC Dec 28 17:49:53 if needed Dec 28 17:49:55 KP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure (by causing bme to segfault and cause reboot) when loaded Dec 28 17:50:18 I wouldn't say a reboot is "catastrophic system failure" Dec 28 17:50:27 it definitely is Dec 28 17:50:43 then we should remove "reboot" command either Dec 28 17:50:49 BS Dec 28 17:51:32 when you insmod a module as root, it is your responcibility to RTFM Dec 28 17:51:40 aha Dec 28 17:52:04 KP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure like kexec Dec 28 17:52:13 that stuff stops the whole kernel! Dec 28 17:52:18 :D Dec 28 17:52:29 and actually doesn;t work Dec 28 17:52:32 afaik Dec 28 17:52:34 go find some other fool to troll Dec 28 17:52:43 you're trolling us doc Dec 28 17:52:57 FU! Dec 28 17:53:12 you're actually claiming that it's better for some modules that *are part of the kernel tree* to be shipped separately Dec 28 17:53:13 how nice :( Dec 28 17:53:29 with all the issues that come from having to keep the versions in check Dec 28 17:53:37 rather than keep them disabled Dec 28 17:54:16 for... what? Dec 28 17:54:52 preventing people from making bme crash by doing "insmod bq24k.ko" as root? Dec 28 17:55:13 go fix that hostmode shit! Dec 28 17:55:22 or I kick it form repo Dec 28 17:55:35 if it's pali's hostmode, it's not in the repos Dec 28 17:55:41 if it's pali's bme, it's not in the repos Dec 28 17:56:04 actually no, i think pali's usbmode is in the repos Dec 28 17:56:25 eyup, extras-devel Dec 28 17:56:27 DocScrutinizer05: you *CANNOT* kick packages from repos by your liking Dec 28 17:56:36 esp when it comes to extras-devel Dec 28 17:56:39 the same place that holds speedpatch Dec 28 17:57:25 a package that kills system on uninstall qualifies for kick even from extras-devel Dec 28 17:57:31 no Dec 28 17:57:40 that is not correct Dec 28 17:58:01 extras-devel is the place that holds all kind of packages Dec 28 17:58:07 i'd suggest some 'archived' or 'obsolete' repo to quarantine packages which seen to be not needed anymore Dec 28 17:58:25 cehteh: how do you figure out what's old, tho? Dec 28 17:58:37 just ask the Doc :) Dec 28 17:58:43 hehe Dec 28 17:59:24 so, we move those from extras-devel straight to the trash can? Dec 28 17:59:31 I gonna +q * when you try to continue trolling this chan and me further Dec 28 17:59:48 well for example, all XBMC remotes packages dont work with current XBMC iirc, some other packages never got fully functional or are replaced by better stuff *AND* are abadoned Dec 28 18:00:12 honestly, maemo is not your dandbox to ruin user experience Dec 28 18:00:18 sandbox even Dec 28 18:01:09 DocScrutinizer05: dammit, the exact purpose of extras-devel it to hold "dangerous" packages, and it's been like that for ages. Dec 28 18:01:29 or at least since I have n900 Dec 28 18:01:31 dammit, do you think solofight gives a flying F? Dec 28 18:01:33 DocScrutinizer05: the problem is that there are both cases that may ruin user experience .. presence of a ugly package is as bad as removing a package just a few people find useful Dec 28 18:02:12 and abadoned packages w/o a maintainer get bitrot too Dec 28 18:02:23 DocScrutinizer05: smile, we have a new -testing :) Dec 28 18:02:31 there's a clear rule that dangerous packages get removed from extras repos when they do instant damage Dec 28 18:02:55 from ALL repos Dec 28 18:03:02 DocScrutinizer05: 'not working' anymore isnt dangerous, but still ruins the user experience Dec 28 18:03:25 rendering system broken fubar on uninstall qualifies for this classification Dec 28 18:03:55 DocScrutinizer05: I am not arguing there is not problem with Pali's hostmode package Dec 28 18:04:11 *no Dec 28 18:04:11 anyway .. my n900 is still broken, i dont have the patience to try another delicate repair attempt yet .. Dec 28 18:05:15 cehteh: I'm not talking about "ugly package", I'm talking about a package that nukes your device to the point where reflash needed, when uninstalling the package Dec 28 18:05:31 you mean like kernel-power? Dec 28 18:05:34 that's about as evil as a package that nukes your system on install Dec 28 18:05:34 so you guess its palis hostmode, since palis not around.. Dec 28 18:05:46 dont shoot. Dec 28 18:05:47 SAiF: no Dec 28 18:05:52 just kidding Dec 28 18:05:55 kerio: stop trolling! last warning Dec 28 18:06:09 KP has a clear instruction that you CANNOT uninstall kernels Dec 28 18:06:13 we guess it is as it pulls KP as a dependency Dec 28 18:06:26 SAiF: ^^^ Dec 28 18:06:37 and I WILL shoot on next kidding, I'm pissed Dec 28 18:07:10 kerio: actually this IS a problem in KP Dec 28 18:07:29 poor fella solofight has a broken system, needs his device tomorrow and you are joking Dec 28 18:07:42 solofight left, wtf are we supposed to do Dec 28 18:07:45 kerio: it shouldn't allow to be uninstalled Dec 28 18:07:53 he left? Dec 28 18:08:01 no. away Dec 28 18:08:02 he's afk, i assume Dec 28 18:08:16 kerio: DocScrutinizer05 : yes am here Dec 28 18:08:21 you are assuming, OH GREAT Dec 28 18:08:27 yay Dec 28 18:08:30 DocScrutinizer05: comeon Dec 28 18:08:32 solofight: what hostmode did you install? Dec 28 18:08:39 there is nothing better to watch on #maemo than an angry doc in full flow :D Dec 28 18:08:39 so you guys suggest i install some modules "power kernel" and try rebooting again ? Dec 28 18:08:40 the epic question Dec 28 18:08:43 or is flashing the only way ? Dec 28 18:09:06 solofight: you may try to flash the omap kernel Dec 28 18:09:13 only the kernel Dec 28 18:09:44 solofight: do you have flasher and FIASKO downloaded? Dec 28 18:10:18 solofight: please first answer a few questions so we can suggest the right means to help you out Dec 28 18:10:25 what exactly did you install? Dec 28 18:11:20 kerio: i installed both "h-e-n" and "host mode gui" if i remember right Dec 28 18:11:48 first hen thinking that it will give me GUI to switch, understood its console based and then installed the host mode gui Dec 28 18:11:49 H-E-N is safe Dec 28 18:12:11 and it's not console based Dec 28 18:12:29 hostmode gui though seems to be buggy Dec 28 18:12:42 prolly that's pali's hostmode Dec 28 18:12:52 and it somehow ruined your system Dec 28 18:13:02 solofight: do you have extras-devel repo enabled? Dec 28 18:13:07 DocScrutinizer05: oh ! after installing hen i saw a nokia power kernel icon on the menu -- which when clicked gives me some warning even before the app starts so i always quit without touching anything Dec 28 18:13:19 freemangordon: i think so Dec 28 18:13:50 DocScrutinizer05: seems h-e-n pulls KP too Dec 28 18:14:10 freemangordon: this gives me 404 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Dec 28 18:14:15 so going for the mirror now Dec 28 18:14:18 solofight: H-E-N depends on a hostmode enabled kernel, but it doesn't autoinstall such kernel but simply tells you to do that under your control Dec 28 18:14:31 iirc Dec 28 18:14:32 oh Dec 28 18:14:38 solofight: use the alternative site Dec 28 18:15:06 ~flashing Dec 28 18:15:07 from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 28 18:15:57 holey moly - there are so many versions ! http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ which one should i download ? back of the display it says Made in finland and the phone is purchased in Australia i think Dec 28 18:16:01 i am the second owner Dec 28 18:16:29 DocScrutinizer05: hostmode gui is not pali's hostmode Dec 28 18:16:31 Which os you use on PC Dec 28 18:16:33 solofight: get global Dec 28 18:16:38 global, not emmc, newest date Dec 28 18:16:50 hostmode-gui is H-E-N Dec 28 18:16:51 SAiF: win7 Dec 28 18:16:57 nm Dec 28 18:16:58 oh Dec 28 18:17:14 solofight: 64 bit? Dec 28 18:17:21 yes Dec 28 18:17:38 solofight: GLOBAL release should always work Dec 28 18:18:00 merlin1991: win7 64bit, does flasher work? Dec 28 18:18:11 yes if you follow the hacks on the wiki Dec 28 18:18:12 you hve to use workaround Dec 28 18:18:17 ok Dec 28 18:18:32 i.e the libusb in the directory works great Dec 28 18:18:35 So il download the one with the notes "Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900" - is that correct ? Dec 28 18:18:40 yes Dec 28 18:19:13 OMG its 191 MB Dec 28 18:19:20 or get pr131 right away Dec 28 18:19:26 ~pr131 Dec 28 18:19:27 from memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Dec 28 18:19:39 fwiw downloading 191MB to flash just the kernel is silly Dec 28 18:19:53 rrrright Dec 28 18:19:56 he could find a place to download just that first Dec 28 18:19:59 maybe that'll work Dec 28 18:19:59 ETA is 7 hours with my shitty internet con :( Dec 28 18:20:01 but he will prolly flash anyway Dec 28 18:20:16 in the end Dec 28 18:20:19 kerio: and how's he supposed to unpack a deb on win7? Dec 28 18:20:28 huh? Dec 28 18:20:31 the flasher Dec 28 18:20:43 its downloading a .bin file Dec 28 18:20:44 7-zip on win unpacks debs Dec 28 18:20:47 is that ok ? Dec 28 18:20:54 yes Dec 28 18:21:01 DocScrutinizer05: yes for me ? Dec 28 18:21:05 yes Dec 28 18:21:17 freemangordon: peazip? Dec 28 18:21:51 Sicelo: I know, but the point is that solofight doesn;t seem experienced enough with debs and such to torture him :) Dec 28 18:22:01 why do you want to unpack it/ Dec 28 18:22:16 SAiF: do get the kernel to be flashed Dec 28 18:22:20 to flash --kernel-only Dec 28 18:22:28 :nod: Dec 28 18:22:33 o.O Dec 28 18:22:45 http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-omap1 btw Dec 28 18:22:56 kerio: good boy :) Dec 28 18:22:57 gonna be a long night then. Dec 28 18:22:58 :-D Dec 28 18:23:04 alternatively i can grab the fiasco image Dec 28 18:23:10 Good luck solofight Dec 28 18:23:29 solofight: download what kerio posted Dec 28 18:23:32 don't Dec 28 18:23:39 kerio: hmm? Dec 28 18:23:41 download http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-20103103%2b0m5.fiasco Dec 28 18:23:49 wut? Dec 28 18:23:56 kerio: anyway Dec 28 18:23:57 and just flash dat shit Dec 28 18:24:16 ooh, you made a kernel-only fiasco? Dec 28 18:24:26 it's the one in the `kernel` package Dec 28 18:24:45 :nod: Dec 28 18:24:49 on-device kernel updates are shipped via fiasco and flashed via flasher/softupd Dec 28 18:25:00 the non-fiasco images are just for uboot, pretty much Dec 28 18:25:20 SAiF: downloading both firmware and what kiero posted Dec 28 18:25:23 kerio: actually you can flash zimage Dec 28 18:25:29 yeah Dec 28 18:25:41 but flashing a fiasco is similar to flashing the whole firmware Dec 28 18:25:44 solofight: download what kerio posted (the second one), Dec 28 18:25:50 kerio: should i download the first link you agve or the latest ? Dec 28 18:25:51 kerio: :nod: Dec 28 18:25:53 ok Dec 28 18:26:01 solofight: it's irrelevant, the first you flash with -k, the second you flash with -F Dec 28 18:26:39 oh ok Dec 28 18:26:54 which one should i download in this http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ Dec 28 18:26:56 ? Dec 28 18:27:03 to be completely fair you shouldn't download either, you can't know that i didn't put a rootkit or something in there ;) Dec 28 18:27:10 WinFlasher_3.12.1.exe ?? Dec 28 18:27:17 sono: no Dec 28 18:27:18 that one ? Dec 28 18:27:38 maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe Dec 28 18:27:39 kerio: root kits work on windows 7 ?? Dec 28 18:27:42 maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe Dec 28 18:27:47 solofight: no, for your n900 Dec 28 18:27:47 maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 Dec 28 18:27:52 ...also, sure, why not? Dec 28 18:28:03 load a malicious driver, it's pretty much the same thing as loading a rootkit on linux Dec 28 18:28:32 oh Dec 28 18:28:47 kerio: I don't think solofight has a sense for this sort of jokes Dec 28 18:30:20 solofight: you download http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-20103103%2b0m5.fiasco or http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-omap1 whatever you already started. Same time you continue downloading that 191MB fiasco file Dec 28 18:30:34 and flasher-3.5 for your flavor of PC OS Dec 28 18:31:48 the acehack.de stuff shall be in the 191MB fiasco as well, but we want to take a shortcut that doesn't take 7h for you to continue Dec 28 18:32:20 later on when the 191MB fiasco DL finsihes, you can compare if it has same kernel as the acehack.de stuff Dec 28 18:32:25 have downloaded zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco Dec 28 18:32:33 great Dec 28 18:32:36 downloading the maemo-flasher and the 191 mb file Dec 28 18:32:42 good Dec 28 18:32:59 flasher-3.5.exe -F that/zImage.fiasco -f -R Dec 28 18:33:29 kerio: where should i type that ? Dec 28 18:33:39 first check the USB stuff Dec 28 18:33:41 and this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 Dec 28 18:33:58 oh right, windows x64 Dec 28 18:34:02 yep Dec 28 18:36:01 see what SAiF provided Dec 28 18:36:14 sounds sane to a windows noob like me Dec 28 18:37:08 so i need to first do this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 Dec 28 18:37:11 solofight: so you also need to download that http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/ stuff as of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 Dec 28 18:37:23 then do this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows Dec 28 18:37:30 is it right > Dec 28 18:37:33 ? Dec 28 18:37:37 it's needed to make flasher-3.5 work on 64bit win Dec 28 18:37:41 yes Dec 28 18:38:00 but the libusb is avail only for 32 bit ? Dec 28 18:38:12 well, after you got http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 done, wait for instructions from kerio or freemangordon Dec 28 18:38:36 solofight: no, that is a 32bit lib for 64bit win Dec 28 18:38:42 solofight, its the name Dec 28 18:38:43 compatibility Dec 28 18:38:52 DocScrutinizer05: I can't help much with win7, I refuse to touch that sh*t :D Dec 28 18:39:01 same here Dec 28 18:39:16 despite I am on still XP Dec 28 18:39:17 the flasher works the same though, afaik Dec 28 18:39:53 freemangordon: have a look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 Dec 28 18:39:56 ok Dec 28 18:40:36 DocScrutinizer05: sounds sane Dec 28 18:40:40 NFC about "cmd, run as admin" shit Dec 28 18:41:03 right-click, "run as" I guess Dec 28 18:41:07 yes Dec 28 18:41:09 sth like that Dec 28 18:41:37 though I am not sure there is "administrator" account in win7 Dec 28 18:41:49 UAE? Dec 28 18:41:59 so I have NFC what "admin" user is supposed to mean Dec 28 18:42:05 ~uae Dec 28 18:42:05 Software emulation of the hardware of theCommodore Amiga 500/1000/2000. URL: http://www.freiburg.linux.de/~uae/ Dec 28 18:42:11 hmm? Dec 28 18:42:15 nah, dunno Dec 28 18:42:52 with win7 M$ invented that "everybody is admin, everybody needs to answer yes" requester stuff Dec 28 18:42:54 UAC Dec 28 18:43:13 kerio: is it possible for you to list the instructions that i need to follow in order please ? the 191 mb file is giving me several hours to download... Dec 28 18:43:22 flasher-3.5.exe -F zImage.fiasco -f -R Dec 28 18:43:31 plug the turned-off n900 in Dec 28 18:43:35 kerio: that's not "in order" Dec 28 18:43:37 while holding "u" on the keyboard Dec 28 18:43:43 why not? Dec 28 18:43:48 kerio: he first needs to open a dosbox Dec 28 18:44:00 oh god D: Dec 28 18:44:04 win+r `cmd` Dec 28 18:44:05 open the door, Dec 28 18:44:11 then... Dec 28 18:44:14 idk, is flasher in the path? Dec 28 18:44:16 kerio: yep, and fiasko image name you gave is wrong. We talk windoze user here ;) Dec 28 18:44:32 get in the car.. Dec 28 18:44:42 SAiF: lease stop it Dec 28 18:44:46 ok Dec 28 18:44:54 so Dec 28 18:44:58 where's flasher-3.5.exe usually installed? Dec 28 18:45:11 it will be asked while nstalling Dec 28 18:45:15 under XP it is in Start Menu->Programs->Maemo->Maemo Flasher 3.5 Dec 28 18:45:25 freemangordon: yeah, you were saying a name wirh ARM in it Dec 28 18:45:36 mostly in program files64 i guess Dec 28 18:45:42 PLEASE!!! don't tell solofight to start flasher-3.5 from menu! Dec 28 18:46:02 it MUST start it from there Dec 28 18:46:04 *he Dec 28 18:46:12 o.O Dec 28 18:46:17 as it sets up the environment for the flasher Dec 28 18:46:37 and opens a cmd promt in the correct directory Dec 28 18:46:42 really? :O Dec 28 18:46:51 really Dec 28 18:47:05 * Sicelo is also surprised.. Dec 28 18:47:06 yes. thats correct. Dec 28 18:47:10 afaik it also closes that cmd promt immediately after flasher quits Dec 28 18:47:15 you don;t have %path% to the flasher executable Dec 28 18:47:25 no, it opens cmd.exe Dec 28 18:47:38 you have to type flasher3.5 by hand :) Dec 28 18:47:52 o.O Dec 28 18:47:52 * solofight is dozing off... Dec 28 18:48:20 i don't recall ever seeing Maemo on XP start menu.. then again, ran flasher on windows only once Dec 28 18:48:24 so... solofight still waiting what to do Dec 28 18:48:34 will set an alarm after the download gets over, will come here to read the instructions and perform the same Dec 28 18:48:38 is that ok ? Dec 28 18:48:44 solofight: wait, have you downloaded the first file? Dec 28 18:48:47 we can save your n900 right now Dec 28 18:48:53 i mean, try Dec 28 18:49:05 kerio: currently the 191mb file is going on, remaining two is over Dec 28 18:49:13 soltys: pause that big one Dec 28 18:49:19 oops Dec 28 18:49:29 why pause it? Dec 28 18:49:31 nah, keep it going if this fails Dec 28 18:49:37 yes Dec 28 18:49:43 I got it wrong :) Dec 28 18:49:44 *in case this fails Dec 28 18:50:03 solofight: did you do the instructions here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 ? Dec 28 18:50:04 please explain solofight what to do next Dec 28 18:50:42 solofight: did you install the flasher? Dec 28 18:50:55 freemangordon: on it now Dec 28 18:51:00 :-) Dec 28 18:51:02 flasher? Dec 28 18:51:23 he's about to do the http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 Dec 28 18:51:29 ok Dec 28 18:51:35 and by the way looks like i already have downloaded this libusb-win32-src-0.1.12.1.tar.gz Dec 28 18:51:43 is this something of interest to us ? Dec 28 18:51:54 .tar.gz? Dec 28 18:52:02 yes, you need that for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 Dec 28 18:52:14 oops Dec 28 18:52:21 ok Dec 28 18:52:31 dunno about tar.gz Dec 28 18:52:33 hmm, it says "zip" in the post Dec 28 18:52:38 yes Dec 28 18:52:48 its a zip Dec 28 18:53:04 i think he downloaded source files.. :-/ Dec 28 18:53:09 yeah :( Dec 28 18:53:17 solofight: get this http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/files/latest/download Dec 28 18:54:14 what freemangordon said Dec 28 18:54:30 solofight: and extract it somewhere on your PC Dec 28 18:55:14 when i do the 3rd step, i see the nokia logo with the backlight and the usb icon on the top right - is it correct ? Dec 28 18:55:20 yes Dec 28 18:55:22 and nothing happens - i am waiting Dec 28 18:55:25 yes Dec 28 18:55:37 get the ^^^ zip and extract it somewhere Dec 28 18:56:32 it has the inf-wizard.exe Dec 28 18:56:39 yep Dec 28 18:57:15 am downloading the libusb .zip package now Dec 28 18:57:30 and by the way its very bad that the device will not charge in this stage ! Dec 28 18:57:45 i dont have anybody else here who owns a n900 Dec 28 18:57:49 in bin\inf-wizard.exe Dec 28 18:58:20 solofight: then don't operate it too long in that state Dec 28 18:59:05 and the battery is compatible with a number of other phones, e.g. nokia 5800 IIRC Dec 28 18:59:12 solofight: N900 uses same battery as a couple of other Nokia Dec 28 18:59:23 :-P Dec 28 18:59:30 by the way, One question solofight: have you installed Nokia PC suite o this machne? Dec 28 18:59:34 faster ;-) Dec 28 18:59:45 :p Dec 28 19:00:27 it gave me installation successfull as per this link http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 Dec 28 19:00:30 now what ? Dec 28 19:00:36 great! Dec 28 19:00:48 SAiF: yes Dec 28 19:00:50 solofight: what is that, inf-wizard.exe? Dec 28 19:00:53 oops Dec 28 19:01:01 freemangordon: yes Dec 28 19:01:14 solofight: follow the next steps then Dec 28 19:01:18 SAiF: :nod: Dec 28 19:01:21 wait Dec 28 19:01:31 next step is this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows ??? Dec 28 19:01:39 "Check Windows Device Manager for "libusb-win32 devices", expand and verify "Nokia N900 (Update Mode)" can be found." Dec 28 19:01:46 is it there? Dec 28 19:02:04 yes Dec 28 19:02:05 yes Dec 28 19:02:06 ok Dec 28 19:02:11 now go to: Dec 28 19:02:14 IIRC you have to stop one service 'which I dont remember' for the flashing to be succesful. Dec 28 19:02:17 I may be wrong Dec 28 19:02:28 you may continue freemangordon Dec 28 19:02:32 solofight: "Start Menu->Programs->Maemo->Maemo Flasher 3.5" Dec 28 19:02:43 yeah, some stuff of nokia suite is conflicting Dec 28 19:02:49 freemangordon: yes Dec 28 19:02:50 done Dec 28 19:02:53 and start "Maemo Flasher 3.5" Dec 28 19:03:08 you should have a command prompt after that Dec 28 19:03:12 freemangordon: i have a dos window like screen infront of me now Dec 28 19:03:18 great! Dec 28 19:03:32 it is inside the flasher-3.5 directory Dec 28 19:03:54 solofight: no, from windows explorer, copy the .fiasco file to that directory Dec 28 19:03:54 can i pull the battery from the phone to save power now or should it stay on ? Dec 28 19:03:59 don;t Dec 28 19:04:01 yes, sure Dec 28 19:04:04 no, Dec 28 19:04:06 err, Dec 28 19:04:11 we are 1 step away from flashing Dec 28 19:04:13 ok, then not Dec 28 19:04:29 solofight: from windows explorer, copy the .fiasco file to that directory Dec 28 19:04:34 and run: Dec 28 19:04:47 "flasher-3.5.exe -f -F zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco -R" Dec 28 19:04:52 without quotes Dec 28 19:04:52 freemangordon: he can remove battery during doing that Dec 28 19:05:04 instead of watzching phone bootloop Dec 28 19:05:20 it is in update mode Dec 28 19:05:20 (during copying that is) Dec 28 19:05:28 it is not bootlooping Dec 28 19:05:51 and I's first test if flasher works at all Dec 28 19:06:12 stop it, please Dec 28 19:06:17 freemangordon: it says flashing done Dec 28 19:06:24 o.O Dec 28 19:06:25 wow! :-) Dec 28 19:06:26 he has nokia n900 update mode in device manager Dec 28 19:06:33 ooh Dec 28 19:06:37 missed that Dec 28 19:06:39 solofight: it should be booting right now Dec 28 19:06:40 solofight: did it reboot? Dec 28 19:06:50 yes and now i see the charging led glowing Dec 28 19:06:52 the device that is Dec 28 19:06:58 ok Dec 28 19:06:59 glowing or pulsating? Dec 28 19:07:00 should is try and start the device nwo ? Dec 28 19:07:02 now* Dec 28 19:07:08 pulsating Dec 28 19:07:10 it should be booting right noe Dec 28 19:07:13 *now Dec 28 19:07:15 let it sit like this Dec 28 19:07:17 ok, it's saved Dec 28 19:07:19 yellow - which means its charging right ? Dec 28 19:07:20 ish Dec 28 19:07:23 yes Dec 28 19:07:24 let it wait a bit Dec 28 19:07:28 then turn it on Dec 28 19:07:32 wait til LED green Dec 28 19:07:42 may take an hour Dec 28 19:07:43 from NOLO? Dec 28 19:07:52 freemangordon: he said pulsating Dec 28 19:07:54 so bme Dec 28 19:07:59 :nod: Dec 28 19:08:10 device already in act_dead Dec 28 19:08:14 solofight: oh, wait, connect it to wall charger Dec 28 19:08:20 ok i pressed the power button and its booting now.... i see the nokia hands logo and sound Dec 28 19:08:29 or that Dec 28 19:08:30 solofight: you're saved :) Dec 28 19:08:31 "let it sit" = "ok i pressed the power button" Dec 28 19:08:32 now i see the datee and time setting screen Dec 28 19:08:32 great Dec 28 19:08:34 oh you Dec 28 19:08:51 kerio: i pressed it before i read your message - sorry Dec 28 19:08:53 kerio: come on, windows user, what do you expect :P Dec 28 19:09:02 solofight: no problem Dec 28 19:09:04 same like me Dec 28 19:09:06 god damn it - the device is on :D Dec 28 19:09:26 why should god damn it? :p Dec 28 19:09:52 now its asking me pc suite or mass storage - if i give pc suite, then i can sync all my data back to the device right ? Dec 28 19:09:55 well truly that was quicker than i thought. Dec 28 19:09:55 or its already there ? Dec 28 19:10:02 fine. Seems I can go for dinner now Dec 28 19:10:03 it is there Dec 28 19:10:30 solofight: nothing is lost on your device Dec 28 19:10:30 nothing was lost solofight :) Dec 28 19:10:37 wow, even the camera works now Dec 28 19:10:43 solofight: even the camera should beworking Dec 28 19:10:44 you guys are awesome..... Dec 28 19:10:55 thank you all so very much Dec 28 19:10:56 solofight: no, go to HAM... Dec 28 19:11:09 solofight: you could install powerkernel and get the cameradrivers working as well Dec 28 19:11:19 kerio: freemangordon DocScrutinizer05 SAiF: you guys made my day Dec 28 19:11:24 yw Dec 28 19:11:26 you guys rock Dec 28 19:11:29 :) Dec 28 19:11:33 *AND DISABLE* extras-testing and extras-devel repos Dec 28 19:11:34 you still have no hostmode tho Dec 28 19:11:50 kerio: and it is better that way Dec 28 19:12:03 particularly extras-testing! Dec 28 19:12:18 what is that fiasco file anyways ? Dec 28 19:12:23 nobody ever wants extras-testing repo, unless s/he's a teter Dec 28 19:12:26 tester even Dec 28 19:12:33 solofight: kernel fiasco image Dec 28 19:12:36 ~fiasco Dec 28 19:12:37 L4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL: http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/ Dec 28 19:12:39 solofight: that is for complete reflash Dec 28 19:12:42 what we just did is punch in the main kernel alone and it picked up ? Dec 28 19:12:43 WTF Dec 28 19:12:52 solofight: yep Dec 28 19:13:01 something like that Dec 28 19:13:14 solofight: I suggest you complete that download anyway Dec 28 19:13:32 of the 191MB fiasco Dec 28 19:13:33 DocScrutinizer05: yes, just resumed Dec 28 19:13:44 eventually you might need it Dec 28 19:14:07 so is it now safe to install and uninstall the hen without problem to my camera and phone ? Dec 28 19:14:25 solofight: first install recent powerkernel Dec 28 19:14:33 ~pk Dec 28 19:14:33 An Open-Source POSIX Threads embedded real-time kernel. URL: http://www.cornfed.com/pk/ Dec 28 19:14:34 goodnite all Dec 28 19:14:40 ~kp Dec 28 19:14:40 kp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 Dec 28 19:15:32 installing powerkernel is the relevant part to enable hostmode, and it's this kernel change that causes temporary problems with camera Dec 28 19:15:46 problems with camera can get solved Dec 28 19:15:48 also, which camera stopped working? Dec 28 19:15:59 the standard one, or fcam? Dec 28 19:16:10 uninstalling powerkernel is strictly NOGO. You install stock kernel to get rid of powerkernel Dec 28 19:16:47 standard one Dec 28 19:17:08 kerio: aiui KP cam module kills all cam apps Dec 28 19:17:29 rather, the lack of this module Dec 28 19:17:30 if its that dangerous then powerkernel should not get uninstalled when i try to uninstall the hostmode right ? Dec 28 19:17:36 err driver Dec 28 19:17:53 right Dec 28 19:18:06 it shouldn't try to uninstall kernels ever Dec 28 19:18:20 DocScrutinizer05: this gives 404 http://www.cornfed.com/pk/ Dec 28 19:18:22 and afaik H-E-N never did and doesn't Dec 28 19:18:57 umm, is that from the KP thread? Dec 28 19:19:08 DocScrutinizer05: so i follow this to install a powerkernel http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 ??? Dec 28 19:19:18 solofight: install it from the application manager Dec 28 19:19:28 and whats the difference between a normal kernal and a power kernel by the way ? Dec 28 19:19:59 solofight: lots of Dec 28 19:20:08 differences that is Dec 28 19:20:11 solofight: KP has stuff like hostmode support and whatnot else Dec 28 19:20:13 freemangordon: the name of the package will be kernel-power-flasher right ? Dec 28 19:20:28 or i can do a sudo gainroot and then do apt-get kernel-power-flasher Dec 28 19:20:28 correct ? Dec 28 19:20:37 NO! Dec 28 19:20:51 solofight: use application manager Dec 28 19:20:53 !!! Dec 28 19:21:05 kernel-power is one of the packages that NEED HAM Dec 28 19:22:06 (i been installing it with apt-get since KP47. of course, i wouldnt suggest it at all for solofight) Dec 28 19:22:15 freemangordon: whatst the package name in application manager ? Dec 28 19:22:17 solofight: sudo gainroot and then do apt-get kernel-power-flasher is exactly what gives you a situation like we just saved you from Dec 28 19:22:36 :P Dec 28 19:22:42 ok Dec 28 19:23:13 whats the package name that i need to look for in the application manager Dec 28 19:23:18 ? Dec 28 19:23:19 Kernel for powerusers Dec 28 19:23:24 something like that Dec 28 19:23:36 search for "kernel" Dec 28 19:24:03 ok thank you Dec 28 19:24:09 you know searching works via keyboard in HAM? Dec 28 19:24:12 ok Dec 28 19:24:21 will do once i get to a wifi zone Dec 28 19:24:31 thank you all for the timely help Dec 28 19:24:37 HAM ? Dec 28 19:24:44 ~HAM Dec 28 19:24:46 [ham] Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does Dec 28 19:24:51 AM = application manager Dec 28 19:25:00 ? Dec 28 19:25:11 got it Dec 28 19:25:33 i usually use the "faster application manager" for installing and uninstalling Dec 28 19:25:41 its not recommended ? Dec 28 19:26:00 yeah, another way to break your system when you dare to use fapman for KP install :-) Dec 28 19:26:07 ~fapman Dec 28 19:26:08 fapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated Dec 28 19:26:10 :P Dec 28 19:26:16 i actually enabled testing and dev to fing the cateroise plus app... my menu is cluttered with so many icons now Dec 28 19:26:46 hmm, looks like you install everything you meet :) Dec 28 19:26:49 :P Dec 28 19:26:54 never enable extras-testing repo! Dec 28 19:27:06 if it makes you feel any better, there's pretty much nothing you can do to truly break a n900 Dec 28 19:27:13 there#s nothing in extras-testing for you Dec 28 19:27:15 (via software) Dec 28 19:27:21 except maybe overclocking Dec 28 19:27:24 how do you guys manage your menu items ? cant we organize it in custom groups ? Dec 28 19:27:37 like games, office_tools, social ...etc ? Dec 28 19:27:43 * kerio uses terminal, web and xchat Dec 28 19:27:51 and also sometimes phone Dec 28 19:27:58 solofight: I don't like catorize, I use apmefo which is kinda same Dec 28 19:28:42 but has pretty convenient custom groups, and you even can have same icon in several concurrent groups Dec 28 19:29:25 anyway both catorize and apmefo break when you drag&move the icons in appstarter directly Dec 28 19:29:30 so don't try this Dec 28 19:29:36 oh Dec 28 19:30:02 ok Dec 28 19:30:02 thank you Dec 28 19:30:02 will try Dec 28 19:30:12 in apmefo you can arrange icons in the apmefo config gui, by moving them up/down in the list Dec 28 19:30:13 break as in? Dec 28 19:30:36 kerio: HD nukes the custom dirs of apmefo Dec 28 19:30:42 oh Dec 28 19:30:55 it doesn't know of submenus Dec 28 19:30:55 so it's "broken" until you actually reapply the settings Dec 28 19:31:13 yes, you can open apmefo settings and save Dec 28 19:31:20 and everything back to normal Dec 28 19:31:34 but that sucks Dec 28 19:31:54 particularly since you have a hard time finding the icon of apmefo to start it ;-) Dec 28 19:32:27 when the complete appstarter is messed up Dec 28 19:33:01 in MHD/CSSU you can lock/disable icon dragging in appstarter Dec 28 19:33:09 iirc Dec 28 19:38:47 solofight: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/Screenshot-20131228-203356.png Dec 28 19:39:38 first row of 5 are submenus Dec 28 19:43:18 what is bq27k monitor? Dec 28 19:44:47 DocScrutinizer05: ^^ Dec 28 19:45:21 bq27200.sh in a xterm Dec 28 19:45:33 ok. Dec 28 19:46:07 kinda like mc Dec 28 19:46:26 which also just opens a shell with mc Dec 28 19:48:48 irssi, htop, etc ;) Dec 28 19:49:12 DocScrutinizer05: ooh, FAM, that is why KP got uninstalled :( Dec 28 19:53:05 yep Dec 28 23:43:15 Heh, I never noticed before, that the voltage settings for cpu change slightly at runtime Dec 28 23:43:34 smartreflex? :-) Dec 29 00:15:36 what is the minimum voltage of bl-5j battery when it is discharged? Dec 29 00:16:02 highest possible one seems to be around 4.1V Dec 29 00:18:23 Need some pointers on how to create pop-up dialog boxes on the N900. I'm trying to write a script, executing in the background (thus terminal window might not be open) to pop up a msgbox or something at a preset time. (My google-fu is not as strong as I had hoped -- hard to filter out irrelevant results on search results.) Dec 29 00:19:11 kwtm: have you tried this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Notifications Dec 29 00:19:21 to clarify: I'm writing a shell script. Prefer the "sh" but at this moment I happen to be writing for bash. Dec 29 00:19:26 Sysaxed`: Will look into this, Thx. Dec 29 00:20:29 Sysaxed`: On first glance, looks like what I need. Will play around. Thx! Dec 29 00:20:42 kwtm: yeah Dec 29 00:20:57 kwtm: also there was some package that did all that for you Dec 29 00:21:21 I mean, super-long dbus commands don't look clean Dec 29 00:21:34 but there was some script that wrapped it Dec 29 00:21:42 Sysaxed`: I came across that under "Hildon-Extras". Since I have an extra N900 with barebones functionality as a backup, I'd prefer to use built-in. Dec 29 00:21:48 But it's useful to know. Dec 29 00:21:52 :) Dec 29 00:22:07 In fact, what I'm doing is replacing that limited alarm notification that's built in to the N900 Dec 29 00:22:56 Sysaxed`; bme shuts device down at approximately 3.2-3,3V. Hardware shutdown at 2.8V (before that though, the modem starts browning out and rebooting). Battery minimum voltage is somewhere just below 2.8, after which battery's own protection circuit will kick in and shut it off. Dec 29 00:22:57 It takes about 4 or 5 screen taps (with waiting in between) just to set an alarm for "remind me in 1 hour". :P Dec 29 00:23:32 ShadowJK: Talking about the N900 battery? What's the nominal voltage? Dec 29 00:23:38 Significant time (days-weeks) spent at low voltage significantly degrades battery performance Dec 29 00:25:02 Charge voltage 4.2, most of energy depleted at 3.2 .. 3.2 + (4.2-3.2)/2 = 3.7V Dec 29 00:25:40 ShadowJK: ok thx Dec 29 00:26:48 ShadowJK: thank you! Dec 29 01:26:37 Sysaxed`: I didn't know of any not so long dbus-send commands Dec 29 01:27:16 DocScrutinizer05: there was a script that was doing dbus communication Dec 29 01:27:17 seems there's no way to create a valid reasonably short dbus-send command Dec 29 01:27:30 DocScrutinizer05: so instead of doing dbus stuff directly you can call that script Dec 29 01:27:44 DocScrutinizer05: same thing, but at least you don't have a mess in your script :) Dec 29 01:27:52 I don't see how that could possibly help Dec 29 01:28:45 um, it had pretty readable command line arguments Dec 29 01:28:46 you still need busname, client name(?), function name, all three friggin long artifacts Dec 29 01:29:12 sure, you can use env vars Dec 29 01:29:18 sure, but you're doing it indirectly Dec 29 01:29:34 you're not following me, let me find it.. Dec 29 01:29:40 like dbus-send $param Dec 29 01:30:00 and Dec 29 01:30:20 param=$dest $path $funtion $param Dec 29 01:30:29 err Dec 29 01:30:41 param=$dest $path $funtion $payload Dec 29 01:31:12 and dest=--dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications Dec 29 01:31:16 o, that one Dec 29 01:31:17 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60251 Dec 29 01:31:37 it provides you a nice interface over the same dbus commands Dec 29 01:31:47 path=/org/freedesktop/Notifications Dec 29 01:32:01 function=org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog Dec 29 01:32:28 payload='string:"QUESTION?" uint32:4 string:"OK"' Dec 29 01:34:00 aah, phonecontrol script Dec 29 01:34:07 well Dec 29 01:34:22 sounds abit like overkill Dec 29 01:37:24 ~3.2 + (4.2-3.2)/2 Dec 29 01:37:25 3.7 Dec 29 01:38:24 I need a break. This formula looks correct but weird Dec 29 01:40:18 3.2 + (4.2-3.2)/2 = (3.2 * 2 + 4.2 - 3.2) /2 Dec 29 01:40:44 =(3.2 + 4.2)/ Dec 29 01:41:19 =(3.2 + 4.2)/2 rather **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 29 02:59:58 2013