**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 09 02:59:58 2014
Jan 09 03:35:40 <SAiF> DocScrutinizer05, I just found your yesterday nights reply. thanks
Jan 09 06:03:23 <solofight> hello people - i have asked this already but this time with more clarity... Is it possible to make my n900 as a access/swipe card to open doors ?
Jan 09 06:03:41 <solofight> i would like to replace my access card to office with n900
Jan 09 06:19:46 <ecc3g> usually.. no.  making another device as an access device is the equivalent of duplicating a key, and that's exactly what they don't want people doing...  that being said if you understand the access system enough, anything's possible...
Jan 09 07:55:59 <t3st3r> btw, lats time I've attempted Thumb version of CSSU, it borked Fcam drivers. Is it fixed now?
Jan 09 07:56:33 <freemangordon> no, and I guess it is a WONTFIX
Jan 09 07:56:50 <t3st3r> hmm? why?
Jan 09 07:57:06 <t3st3r> this warrants I would stay miles away from that thumb stuff then :\
Jan 09 07:57:08 <freemangordon> because the problem is woth fcam kernel module
Jan 09 07:57:14 <freemangordon> *with
Jan 09 07:57:44 <t3st3r> what's wrong with this module? oO
Jan 09 07:57:49 <freemangordon> t3st3r: in extras-devel there is such module which is compatible with both KP and cssu-thumb
Jan 09 07:58:18 <t3st3r> what is KP? Power Kernel?
Jan 09 07:58:20 <freemangordon> t3st3r: it refuses to load (or similar) on not-omap1 kernel
Jan 09 07:58:22 <freemangordon> yes
Jan 09 07:58:38 <t3st3r> [11:58:27] <freemangordon> t3st3r: it refuses to load (or similar) on not-omap1 kernel <- so it does some checks?
Jan 09 07:58:49 <freemangordon> NFC what it does
Jan 09 07:58:54 <freemangordon> but I doubt
Jan 09 07:59:02 <freemangordon> it checks for the kernel version
Jan 09 07:59:46 <freemangordon> t3st3r: wht you can try - install KP52, install fcam drivers from extras-devel
Jan 09 07:59:56 <freemangordon> at that point your camera should be fine
Jan 09 08:00:11 <freemangordon> if it is fine, install cssu-thumb
Jan 09 08:07:14 <t3st3r> What - NFC?
Jan 09 08:07:42 <t3st3r> [11:59:53] <freemangordon> t3st3r: wht you can try - install KP52, install fcam drivers from extras-devel <- hmm, is it compatible with thumb?
Jan 09 08:10:38 <FIQ> nfc=no * clue
Jan 09 08:11:17 <sixwheeledbeast> solofight: not easily and not natively either, but it is possible to make an object (N900) into a access card.
Jan 09 08:22:18 <solofight> sixwheeledbeast: make n900 into a access card ? thats exactly what i want to do
Jan 09 08:22:24 <solofight> sixwheeledbeast: ideas please
Jan 09 08:28:36 <solofight> ecc3g: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question662.htm correct place ?
Jan 09 08:28:42 <solofight> to understand it better ?
Jan 09 12:43:39 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Jan 09 12:55:26 <Satorin> Hello everyone, would anyone mind helping me out? I just received my (secondhand) N900 in the mail. The battery seems fully empty, and when I supply power (over wall plug) it first charges autonomously for a minute or two (non-flashing orange LED), then boots up (bright Nokia screen, flashing orange LED), stays on the Nokia screen for a few seconds (about 10; screen darkens afterwards), and after about half a minute crashes (no LED at all) - only to
Jan 09 12:55:26 <Satorin>  reboot shortly after (bright Nokia screen again, LED flashes again), it stays in this state for 10 seconds or so, then turns off (no LED again), stays off for ~20 seconds, then starts in autonomous mode again (non-blinking LED). This pretty much repeats forever (or well, I've seen it happen ~5 times now). 
Jan 09 12:55:31 <Satorin> I assume this is the dreaded bootloop?
Jan 09 12:55:50 <Satorin> I found this: http://web.fournier.nl/2012/07/nokia-n900-charging-depleted-battery.html -- is it worth trying?
Jan 09 12:56:47 <Satorin> Or is there a way I can just prevent the device from leaving autonomous-mode charging? I wanted to reflash it anyways, but it needs a charged battery for me to do so.
Jan 09 13:01:34 <ShadowJK> i don't know of a way to prvent it from leaving autonomous
Jan 09 13:07:49 <Satorin> I probably need an external charger or another phone then.
Jan 09 13:08:05 <Satorin> It's tempting to try the trick I linked to, but I don't want to risk bricking my 'new' phone.
Jan 09 13:08:29 <ShadowJK> If it's boot looping it's already what people call "bricked"
Jan 09 13:09:09 <Satorin> You can still reflash a bootlooping device, right?
Jan 09 13:10:35 <Satorin> Can I charge the device while in 'reflashing mode' (having pressed U and all that)?
Jan 09 13:10:40 <ShadowJK> no
Jan 09 13:10:56 <ShadowJK> or, "probably not"
Jan 09 13:12:18 <Satorin> I'm not even 100% sure it's actually "bootlooping", some users on the Maemo-forums suggest it's an issue with power drain spiking on boot and the phone switching back to autonomous mode.
Jan 09 13:14:52 <Satorin> I guess I'll try the rescue image in this case, will report back.
Jan 09 13:15:41 <ShadowJK> I get a new battery every year or so, they wear out kinda fast
Jan 09 13:18:34 <Satorin> Guess it might be a worn-out battery that's to blame.
Jan 09 13:24:13 <Satorin> Back in a bit, rebooting my PC to allow loading unsigned drivers.
Jan 09 13:35:32 <SAiF>  ~flatbatrecover
Jan 09 13:35:32 <infobot> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!.
Jan 09 13:35:49 <SAiF> Satorin, ^^ I guess
Jan 09 13:51:54 <Satorin> Thank you SAiF! I'll try that first.
Jan 09 13:54:16 <Satorin>  ~bootloop
Jan 09 13:54:17 <infobot> bootloop is, like, when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.
Jan 09 13:54:52 <Satorin> Okay, will first wait 30 minutes to try flatbatrecover, if that fails I'll go the rescueos route!
Jan 09 13:56:48 <DocScrutinizer05> Satorin: the "trick" is pretty sane, it's a proven rescueOS based battery charging it seems, after cursory look. No way you could do additional damage by that
Jan 09 13:57:03 <DocScrutinizer05> flatbatrecover won't help
Jan 09 13:57:54 <DocScrutinizer05> watching the device bootlooping for 30 min doesn't help either
Jan 09 14:13:42 <Satorin> Seems you're right, trying rescueos flash now.
Jan 09 14:18:51 <FIQ> the thing Satorin describes also happened for me under any kind of KP
Jan 09 14:18:55 <FIQ> just saying
Jan 09 14:18:55 <Satorin> Okay, I connected to the PC as per instructions, but it's not flashing (reports as "(Storage mode)", and yes, I am keeping 'u' pressed on connect). Strange thing is: The orange LED /does/ flash now, indicating a charging state.
Jan 09 14:19:14 <Satorin> I only got it in the mail today, no clue what's on it
Jan 09 14:19:29 <FIQ> i.e. if charging when device was off, it would proceed to boot, show nokia logo, minor delay, then crash and reboot, ad infinitum
Jan 09 14:19:37 <FIQ> allthough you should probably reflash regardless
Jan 09 14:19:43 <FIQ> so that it's clean
Jan 09 14:20:14 <FIQ> not saying the device is running KP
Jan 09 14:20:32 <FIQ> but rebootloop during charging doesn't necessarily mean dead device is what I'm saying
Jan 09 14:21:15 <DocScrutinizer05> when amber led flashing: KEEP it!
Jan 09 14:21:19 <DocScrutinizer05> let it charge
Jan 09 14:21:52 <DocScrutinizer05> don't change anything!
Jan 09 14:22:01 <Satorin> I will!
Jan 09 14:22:07 <DocScrutinizer05> until battery full, and then an hour on top
Jan 09 14:22:15 <Satorin> It charges from USB now, or so it seems... Wall-plug gave issues.
Jan 09 14:22:22 <DocScrutinizer05> only then go do a full reflash
Jan 09 14:22:45 <DocScrutinizer05> is that the original nokia wallcharger plug?
Jan 09 14:23:21 <DocScrutinizer05> (not that I haven't seen issues with Nokia charger too)
Jan 09 14:23:41 <DocScrutinizer05> but a 3rd party wallcharger may be incompatible by design
Jan 09 14:23:45 <Satorin> No, it has equal power specs though.
Jan 09 14:23:54 <Satorin> Well, I'm happy with the blinking LED now. ^^'
Jan 09 14:23:57 <DocScrutinizer05> that doesn't say much
Jan 09 14:24:19 <DocScrutinizer05> 3rd party chargers often miss the mandatory D+/- line short
Jan 09 14:24:30 <DocScrutinizer05> resulting in charging failing
Jan 09 14:25:08 <Satorin> That sounds like it might be the issue...
Jan 09 14:25:12 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Jan 09 14:25:19 <DocScrutinizer05> problem solved
Jan 09 14:25:22 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Jan 09 14:25:55 <Satorin> It boots over usb, too.
Jan 09 14:28:26 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, blinking amber basically means it *has* booted
Jan 09 14:29:29 <Satorin> I'm actually in the OS now! Time to let it charge before doing a reflash. Thanks!
Jan 09 14:29:35 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a mode called "ACT_DEAD" that pretends the device is off and only charging, but in fact the linux is fully booted up and just on a different ->runlevel
Jan 09 14:30:10 <Satorin> Ah! I see how that works now...
Jan 09 14:30:38 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Jan 09 14:31:11 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, and welcome to the club! :-)
Jan 09 14:31:17 <Satorin> Oh wow, the seller sure didn't reflash it... I'm getting emails.
Jan 09 14:31:25 <Satorin> Thanks a lot!
Jan 09 14:31:25 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL!!!!
Jan 09 14:32:49 <DocScrutinizer05> you should "switch off" again, I.E. enter act_dead, it is charging waay faster since no WLAN, display and other stuff eats power the battery needs for charging
Jan 09 14:33:23 <Satorin> I will, thanks for the suggestion. ^^
Jan 09 14:33:24 <DocScrutinizer05> worst case the system can eat more power than the USB can provide, effectively DIScharging the battery
Jan 09 14:34:13 <DocScrutinizer05> sometimes the system tells you about that problem with a yellow notifier saying "insufficient power" OWTTE
Jan 09 14:34:23 <DocScrutinizer05> sometimes not
Jan 09 14:35:30 <Satorin> Mhm, well, I've turned it off now.
Jan 09 14:35:52 <Satorin> 14 unread mails, the old owner seems to be a sysadmin. Darn, it really deserves a reflash.
Jan 09 14:35:59 <Satorin> I'll wait 'till the LED turns green.
Jan 09 14:38:03 <DocScrutinizer05> you're aware of
Jan 09 14:38:06 <DocScrutinizer05> +flashing
Jan 09 14:38:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flashing
Jan 09 14:38:13 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jan 09 14:38:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
Jan 09 14:38:26 <Satorin> I read through it!
Jan 09 14:38:28 <Satorin> Seems doable.
Jan 09 14:38:38 <Satorin> I'm looking to install CSSU-Testing (Thumb).
Jan 09 14:39:12 <DocScrutinizer05> the most concise and precise description is at the end, under "troubleshooting". However please read the *complete* page first
Jan 09 14:39:59 <DocScrutinizer05> and please first make friend with the default/standard system, not going to install lots of stuff, especially not CSSU and/or stuff from extras-devel repos
Jan 09 14:40:31 <DocScrutinizer05> then after a week or so come back here asking for the leet stuff ;-)
Jan 09 14:40:49 <DocScrutinizer05> there are a few pitfalls, stuff you should steer clear from
Jan 09 14:41:14 <Satorin> That sounds like some solid advice.
Jan 09 14:41:23 <Satorin> The wiki is awesome!
Jan 09 14:41:36 <DocScrutinizer05> and a few annoying little bumps in the road that are easily avoided or handled with a word of help from an experienced user
Jan 09 14:43:11 <DocScrutinizer05> and probably the very first thing you should install is 
Jan 09 14:43:13 <DocScrutinizer05> +bm
Jan 09 14:43:18 <DocScrutinizer05> dang!!
Jan 09 14:43:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
Jan 09 14:43:21 <infobot> from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Jan 09 14:43:53 <DocScrutinizer05> then cpu load applet and simple brightness applet
Jan 09 14:44:04 <Satorin> Backupmenu seems like a must-have indeed. :P
Jan 09 14:44:50 <DocScrutinizer05> what's your level of expertise re general linux?
Jan 09 14:44:56 <DocScrutinizer05> shell?
Jan 09 14:46:55 <DocScrutinizer05> when you're a shell tinkerer, then this might be a nice starting point, after a few days of learning to know stock maemo:
Jan 09 14:46:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Jan 09 14:47:00 <infobot> it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Jan 09 14:47:26 <Satorin> I'd say very familiar.
Jan 09 14:47:32 * Satorin takes a look.
Jan 09 14:47:43 <DocScrutinizer05> when you are not familiar and friend with shell, then don't even bother reading that
Jan 09 14:48:59 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, and: maemo is NOT debian, particularly when it comes to apt and dpkg and package management at alrge
Jan 09 14:49:02 <DocScrutinizer05> large*
Jan 09 14:49:58 <DocScrutinizer05> do *not* use apt/dpkg until you understand the differences between maemo and a "normal" debian system
Jan 09 14:50:44 <DocScrutinizer05> inside hint: the dependencies in maemo repositories are mostly fubar
Jan 09 14:50:58 <Satorin> I'll have to look into the differences concerning apt-get indeed, as I'm very used to the Debian way.
Jan 09 14:51:10 <DocScrutinizer05> whole maemo fremantle is basically one large metapackage
Jan 09 14:51:16 <Satorin> Some neat info on the jrtools wiki page!
Jan 09 14:51:23 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks
Jan 09 14:52:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mp
Jan 09 14:52:34 <infobot> somebody said mp was Northern Mariana Islands
Jan 09 14:52:39 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Jan 09 14:53:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys #maemo mp
Jan 09 14:53:39 <infobot> Factoid search of '#maemo mp' by key returned no results.
Jan 09 14:53:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys #maemo
Jan 09 14:53:46 <infobot> Factoid search of '#maemo' by key (16 of 72): #maemo awesome-keymap ;; #maemo bootloop ;; #maemo cal ;; #maemo cmtfix ;; #maemo db ;; #maemo debhelper7 ;; #maemo expired-key ;; #maemo flopswap ;; #maemo getversion ;; #maemo hamvsfam ;; #maemo mirrors ;; #maemo must ;; #maemo mustn't ;; #maemo oh ;; #maemo omp ;; #maemo pkgs.
Jan 09 14:53:52 <Satorin> Looking forward to tinker with all that stuff.
Jan 09 14:53:57 * Satorin stares at the blinking LED.
Jan 09 14:54:02 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Jan 09 14:55:29 <DocScrutinizer05> *maybe* you want to install BM and do a backup of the current system, just in case. Before you're going to flash the device
Jan 09 16:22:55 <hxka> Hello, what is the "open source bme replacement" I'm hearing about?
Jan 09 16:23:10 <freemangordon> hxka: hmm?
Jan 09 16:23:10 <hxka> Is it the bq27x00_battery module?
Jan 09 16:23:13 <freemangordon> no
Jan 09 16:24:07 <freemangordon> it is battery module+charger module+rx51_battery module+isp1704 module+hal addon+libbmeipc+the applet :)
Jan 09 16:25:07 <freemangordon> hxka: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement
Jan 09 16:27:41 <hxka> Oh, thanks
Jan 09 16:30:06 <hxka> What do I need to do to use it besides "stop bme; modprobe bq27x00_battery bq2415x_charger rx51_battery"?
Jan 09 16:30:39 <freemangordon> hxka: this is *replacement* ;)
Jan 09 16:31:18 <hxka> Um
Jan 09 16:31:24 <peetah> anyone managed to set up a NFSv4 mount with rpcbind and idmapd ? rpcbind does not seem to be packaged yet, but there may be a good reason for that. Anyone with more information about it ?
Jan 09 16:31:59 <freemangordon> hxka: pull the source code from gitorious, dpkg-buildpackage it and install it
Jan 09 16:32:17 <freemangordon> hxka: kerneel modules are provided by KP52
Jan 09 16:32:22 <freemangordon> kernel even
Jan 09 16:32:58 <hxka> Oh, so it's not already packaged
Jan 09 16:33:24 <freemangordon> hxka: it could be, but it is Pali that maintains that
Jan 09 16:33:51 <freemangordon> and he is MIA for some time (his laptop is broken and waits for repairs)
Jan 09 16:34:06 <freemangordon> ~pali
Jan 09 16:34:07 <infobot> rumour has it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/
Jan 09 16:34:40 <freemangordon> hxka: but seems he is a good boy http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html
Jan 09 16:34:43 <freemangordon> :)
Jan 09 16:35:11 <freemangordon> ~bme-replacement
Jan 09 16:35:11 <infobot> hmm... bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement  http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html  See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them!
Jan 09 16:35:33 <freemangordon> hxka: I think you have everything now :)
Jan 09 16:35:59 <freemangordon> oh, that is debian repo actually
Jan 09 16:36:52 <hxka> freemangordon: Great, thanks :)
Jan 09 16:37:47 <DocScrutinizer05> peetah: I don't know of any "good reason"
Jan 09 16:38:30 <DocScrutinizer05> peetah: IOW I guess it's simply not build yet
Jan 09 16:38:49 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody took care to do
Jan 09 16:39:26 <DocScrutinizer05> but maybe I just don't know of that good reason despite such reason may exist
Jan 09 16:39:51 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: ^^^ any info?
Jan 09 16:40:12 <peetah> DocScrutinizer05: ok I'll try make my own then, and if I succeed that will give me a good reason to practice maemo packaging
Jan 09 16:40:25 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Jan 09 16:40:25 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: no
Jan 09 16:40:30 <DocScrutinizer05> that's the spirit
Jan 09 16:40:42 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: don;t forget I am not linux admin :)
Jan 09 16:41:05 <freemangordon> peetah: will be cool to upload it to repos if you manage to make it run
Jan 09 16:41:10 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah i know
Jan 09 16:41:24 <peetah> freemangordon: sure, that was my pont
Jan 09 16:41:30 <peetah> s/pont/point
Jan 09 16:42:10 <Satorin> Finally charged and backupped! It's flashing time~
Jan 09 16:42:49 <DocScrutinizer05> on a sidenote: some nice read about maemo community spirit (and Neo900), among other more general considerations: http://culturedigitally.org/2014/01/spam-and-the-challenge-of-chasing-shadows/
Jan 09 16:43:43 <sixwheeledbeast> Satorin: Also note to restore a backup with backupmenu you have to be on the same kernel as the backup image.
Jan 09 16:44:53 <Satorin> Good to know. I'm on the latest stock kernel, though CSSU-Thumb will replace that.
Jan 09 16:48:11 <hxka> sixwheeledbeast: Not quite. You can restore a backup with any working kernel. To be able to boot after that, yes, you need to have same kernel flashed :P
Jan 09 16:48:29 <freemangordon> correct :)
Jan 09 16:49:22 <sixwheeledbeast> well, that's what I mean. Why would you want a non bootable device?
Jan 09 16:49:45 <hxka> I learned that the hard way and had to flash the kernel with flasher
Jan 09 16:50:49 <hxka> sixwheeledbeast: You wouldn't, I'm just nitpicking
Jan 09 16:51:06 <sixwheeledbeast> :P
Jan 09 16:54:29 <sixwheeledbeast> It would be nice to have some warning I agree.
Jan 09 16:55:31 <sixwheeledbeast> Yes. CSSU-Thumb will need a kernel with errata workaround.
Jan 09 17:23:18 <Apic> http://pix.apic.name/Kleinerdrei.jpg
Jan 09 18:20:02 <MohammadAG> can anyone lend a hand with bash / sed?
Jan 09 18:29:48 <SAiF> MohammadAG, hi,
Jan 09 18:30:25 <MohammadAG> hi
Jan 09 18:45:26 <hxka> MohammadAG: What do you mean?
Jan 09 18:45:54 <MohammadAG> I need to remove all spaces before special characters
Jan 09 18:46:02 <MohammadAG> for example, ! ? , etc
Jan 09 18:46:21 <MohammadAG> I can match this with \s[\.!?;]
Jan 09 18:46:46 <hxka> sed 's/ \([!?,]\)/\1/g'
Jan 09 18:46:47 <MohammadAG> basically, I want sed 's/\s[\.!?;]/[\.!?;]/g'
Jan 09 18:47:30 <hxka> sed 's/ \([\.!?;]\)/\1/g' then
Jan 09 18:47:31 <MohammadAG> oh hey, that worked
Jan 09 18:47:45 <MohammadAG> I don't understand how though :p
Jan 09 18:48:31 <hxka> \1 gets replaced with first matched group, thai is everything between \( and \)
Jan 09 18:49:15 <hxka> (in that case)
Jan 09 18:49:37 <DocScrutinizer05> wow MohammadAG! long time no see! :-)
Jan 09 18:53:01 <MohammadAG> thanks hxka :D
Jan 09 18:53:14 <hxka> yay
Jan 09 18:53:20 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer05, hi!
Jan 09 18:53:25 <MohammadAG> I've been busy with life
Jan 09 18:53:35 <MohammadAG> (and *lowers head* android)
Jan 09 18:54:01 <MohammadAG> hxka, I'm actually helping someone out with his assignment
Jan 09 18:56:08 <MohammadAG> hxka, this is the crap I came up with http://pastebin.com/FF23s5xJ
Jan 09 18:56:30 <MohammadAG> I'd rate it 1 in a scale of 1-10 crappiness
Jan 09 18:57:17 <hxka> ISP problems, can't reach pastebin.com :(
Jan 09 18:59:52 <Satorin> Reflashed succesfully, now installing CSSU! ^_^
Jan 09 19:01:50 <MohammadAG> hxka, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/blablabla.sh
Jan 09 19:05:25 <hxka> MohammadAG: You probably don't want to uppercase chars after `;'.
Jan 09 19:08:40 <hxka> Wait, that was in the assignment. Nevermind. Strange though.
Jan 09 19:09:15 <MohammadAG> hxka, indeed
Jan 09 19:09:21 <MohammadAG> grammatically it looks; Weird
Jan 09 19:09:39 <MohammadAG> plus it doesn't make sense to have else after it
Jan 09 19:10:23 <freemangordon> MohammadAG: hi! where you'veen hiding, man?
Jan 09 19:10:33 <freemangordon> *been 
Jan 09 19:11:00 <MohammadAG> between some Jelly Beans :p
Jan 09 19:11:06 <MohammadAG> and life
Jan 09 19:11:37 <freemangordon> oh dear. how's on the dark side of the force?
Jan 09 19:12:09 <MohammadAG> It's actually not bad
Jan 09 19:12:16 <MohammadAG> once you get past the lack of some tools
Jan 09 19:12:17 <MohammadAG> I miss nano
Jan 09 19:12:41 <freemangordon> only nano?
Jan 09 19:12:45 <freemangordon> what about mc?
Jan 09 19:13:29 <MohammadAG> Nope
Jan 09 19:13:31 <MohammadAG> I never use that
Jan 09 19:13:41 <MohammadAG> in fact, I've never useD that
Jan 09 19:13:47 <Satorin> Mhm, strange, I opted to install CSSU Thumb, but under 'Product info' it states "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1, flavor: Testing."
Jan 09 19:13:50 <MohammadAG> I used ls + cp + mv on maemo
Jan 09 19:13:54 <MohammadAG> I can live with them on Android
Jan 09 19:14:06 <freemangordon> Satorin: that's normal
Jan 09 19:14:06 <MohammadAG> till my shell loses tab completion
Jan 09 19:14:12 <Satorin> Oh, phew.
Jan 09 19:14:16 <Satorin> Was afraid I messed something up.
Jan 09 19:14:21 <freemangordon> Satorin: oh, wait
Jan 09 19:14:33 <MohammadAG> hahahaha
Jan 09 19:14:33 <freemangordon> you nedd to apt-get/apt-get upgrade
Jan 09 19:14:40 <freemangordon> need*
Jan 09 19:14:55 <Satorin> upgrade from the xterminal or from HAM?
Jan 09 19:15:11 <freemangordon> right now -testing has higher version than -thumb (will fix that as soon as I have some spare time)
Jan 09 19:15:24 <freemangordon> Satorin: from xterminal
Jan 09 19:15:39 <Satorin> Okay, will do!
Jan 09 19:15:44 <freemangordon> Satorin: or simply do:
Jan 09 19:16:15 <freemangordon> apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=T-maemo9-thumb0
Jan 09 19:16:47 <freemangordon> Satorin: wait
Jan 09 19:16:51 <freemangordon> apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1
Jan 09 19:16:56 <freemangordon> this is the correct version
Jan 09 19:17:14 <Satorin> I see... will apt-get update/upgrade do the same, or should I set it manually with the above command?
Jan 09 19:17:31 <freemangordon> Satorin: both will do the same, but latter is safer
Jan 09 19:18:02 <freemangordon> I don;t know what repos you have enabled, so apt-get upgrade could do stuff it should not
Jan 09 19:18:05 <freemangordon> so:
Jan 09 19:18:10 <freemangordon> apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1
Jan 09 19:18:17 <Satorin> I suppose I need root?
Jan 09 19:18:22 <freemangordon> :nod:
Jan 09 19:18:25 <Satorin> I will run that. Thanks!
Jan 09 19:18:40 <freemangordon> Satorin: install rootsh if not already did so
Jan 09 19:19:10 <Satorin> I didn't, but I'll do it now. It's a clean installation right now.
Jan 09 19:19:15 <freemangordon> Satorin: mark how much "space will be freed" :)
Jan 09 19:19:25 <hxka> freemangordon: to upgrade to the latest version of mp-fremantle-community-pr you can just run apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr
Jan 09 19:19:40 <hxka> And apt-get won't do anything unintended
Jan 09 19:19:40 <freemangordon> hxka: the latest is -testing
Jan 09 19:19:56 <freemangordon> and it won;t pull the correct packages
Jan 09 19:20:01 <hxka> then upgrade wouldn't fix that
Jan 09 19:20:04 <freemangordon> no
Jan 09 19:20:11 <freemangordon> it will
Jan 09 19:20:25 <freemangordon> hxka: just trust me on that one, ok? :)
Jan 09 19:20:33 <freemangordon> I gtg, night
Jan 09 19:20:41 <Satorin> Thanks for your help, goodnight freemangordon :)
Jan 09 19:21:22 <SAiF> anyone knows how to use openssl?
Jan 09 19:32:57 <hxka> freemangordon: Okay, I've just installed 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1 version, and what do you think, apt-get upgrade doesn't want to revert it back to 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1, just as I said.
Jan 09 19:40:35 <Satorin> Is there a neater fix for the expired keys than setting the time back?
Jan 09 19:46:21 <Satorin> I'm running an apt-get upgrade, lets see.
Jan 09 19:48:43 <Satorin> Done. No super-interesting packaged got pulled in at all.
Jan 09 19:48:45 <Satorin> Still on testing.
Jan 09 19:51:15 <hxka> Satorin: you can still do apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1
Jan 09 19:51:54 <hxka> But this won't do anything significant besides changing the displayed version
Jan 09 19:52:16 <Satorin> So technically I'm already using the thumb binaries?
Jan 09 19:52:35 <hxka> You were using them all along
Jan 09 19:52:57 <Satorin> oh, great!
Jan 09 19:53:03 <Satorin> Well, so far so good in that case.
Jan 09 19:59:36 <Satorin> <freemangordon> Satorin: mark how much "space will be freed" :)
Jan 09 19:59:47 <Satorin> If only! It adds ~2000kb
Jan 09 19:59:53 <Satorin> But that's because it's pulling in other packages.
Jan 09 20:00:02 <DocScrutinizer05> you should trust freemangordon, he's maintainer of cssu-thumb
Jan 09 20:00:12 <Satorin> I do trust him, of course. :P
Jan 09 20:00:58 <DocScrutinizer05> and the warning to never do apt-get upgrade still applies
Jan 09 20:01:23 <DocScrutinizer05> more often than not it will NOT do what you expect it to do
Jan 09 20:02:22 <DocScrutinizer05> we already seen core libs getting replaced by fubar versions some funny guy uploaded to extras-devel or sth like that
Jan 09 20:02:52 <Satorin> Oh, I see how that works now.
Jan 09 20:02:58 <Satorin> Luckily everything seems to work fine for me, up to now.
Jan 09 20:03:03 <DocScrutinizer05> frequently users update their apps to latest but broken version from extras-devel or even cssu-devel
Jan 09 20:03:53 <DocScrutinizer05> and steer clear of fapman, it does even worse things, like apt-get autoremove
Jan 09 20:04:09 <Satorin> The horror!
Jan 09 20:04:26 <Satorin> I do get a notification of an updated metapackage now, but that's because I reverted to the thumb version...
Jan 09 20:04:38 <Satorin> How do I make sure my binaries are actually the thumb ones now?
Jan 09 20:05:05 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, the cssu-testing metapackae is newer than the cssu-thumb metapackage, I guess
Jan 09 20:05:30 <DocScrutinizer05> by installing the cssu-thumb metapackage you pull in all the thumb stuff
Jan 09 20:05:50 <Satorin> It didn't seem to pull in a lot.
Jan 09 20:05:53 <Satorin> But that might be me.
Jan 09 20:06:27 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu-thumb is not exactly easy for users to handle
Jan 09 20:07:25 <Satorin> Wait, so the metapackage is supposed to downgrade everything from the 'newer' testing-metapackage?
Jan 09 20:07:28 <Satorin> I somehow doubt that happened.
Jan 09 20:07:54 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu-testing installs the cssu repo with a higher trustlevel than the core nokia repos, aiui. Thus it's warranted that HAM will update correctly and not roll back patches shipped by CSSU when a Nokia update ships
Jan 09 20:08:26 <DocScrutinizer05> for CSSU-thumb the situation is more complex since both cssu-T/S and cssu-thumb live in same repo
Jan 09 20:09:15 <DocScrutinizer05> just look into the MP what it pulls in, and how
Jan 09 20:09:30 <DocScrutinizer05> toldya dependencies in maemo are a horror show
Jan 09 20:09:39 <Satorin> Hehe, I figured.
Jan 09 20:09:49 <Satorin> It seems the metapackage doesn't pull in any other thumb-packages.
Jan 09 20:10:00 <Satorin> Hell, I doubt I'm even on the thumb-kernel.
Jan 09 20:10:11 <DocScrutinizer05> uname -a
Jan 09 20:10:53 <Satorin> Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-cssu3 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 28 18:05:05 EDT 2012 armv71 unknown
Jan 09 20:10:55 <Satorin> that's a no.
Jan 09 20:11:11 <DocScrutinizer05> when you're not on thumbified kernel, the system would already explode into your face
Jan 09 20:11:26 <DocScrutinizer05> actually you're not
Jan 09 20:11:29 <Satorin> It seems to hold up so far. :P
Jan 09 20:11:37 <Satorin> It's just there are no thumb packages at all.
Jan 09 20:11:40 <Satorin> Except for the metapackage itself.
Jan 09 20:11:44 <DocScrutinizer05> wait wut?
Jan 09 20:11:56 <Satorin> It's what I think, but I'm the noob here...
Jan 09 20:12:00 <DocScrutinizer05>  2.6.28.10-cssu3 wtf is that?
Jan 09 20:12:32 <DocScrutinizer05> get powerkernel!
Jan 09 20:12:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ~kp
Jan 09 20:12:36 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823
Jan 09 20:13:07 <Satorin> Yeah, I was planning on doing that since I want to overclock a tiny bit.
Jan 09 20:13:09 <DocScrutinizer05> might be the cssu thumb kernel, that's deprecated
Jan 09 20:14:14 <Satorin> Installing the power kernel now.
Jan 09 20:14:21 <Satorin> Though I doubt it does anything for the thumb packages.
Jan 09 20:16:52 <Satorin> Well, now it says 2.6.28.10-power52 :P
Jan 09 20:20:07 <DocScrutinizer05> looks better though porbbaly almost same kernel
Jan 09 20:20:14 <DocScrutinizer05> probably
Jan 09 20:21:25 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a sysnode or proc or dev or whatever somewhere, where you could disable the thumb patch in kernel. If you're curious ;-P
Jan 09 20:26:12 <Satorin> Well, yeah.
Jan 09 20:26:24 <Satorin> Is there any way I can revert all applicable packages 'back' to the -thumb version?
Jan 09 20:26:31 <Satorin> They're on -testing now, I'm pretty sure.
Jan 09 20:37:11 <DocScrutinizer05> do what freemangordon told ya
Jan 09 20:39:36 <Satorin> I did everything I was instructed to already.
Jan 09 20:39:45 <Satorin> It only downgrades the metapackage but doesn't pull in thumb binaries.
Jan 09 20:39:51 <Satorin> The binaries on my system are the testing ones.
Jan 09 20:39:53 <Satorin> :(
Jan 09 20:44:04 <sixwheeledbeast> "-cssu3" that's the kernel pulled in if you don't have KP
Jan 09 20:44:09 <sixwheeledbeast> for thumb
Jan 09 20:45:27 <sixwheeledbeast> it's practically KP
Jan 09 20:45:54 <Satorin> I'm sure my system supports the thumb binaries now, but it doesn't run any of them because all the testing ones have a higher version.
Jan 09 20:46:00 <kerio> Satorin: short answer: noooooooooooo
Jan 09 20:46:09 <kerio> downgrading is Bad with a capital Bad
Jan 09 20:46:26 <kerio> long answer: pin the community-thumb repo at a priority higher than 1000
Jan 09 20:46:28 <kerio> and upgrade
Jan 09 20:46:34 <Satorin> That'd work?
Jan 09 20:46:37 <Satorin> I'll try it right now.
Jan 09 20:46:37 <kerio> eyup
Jan 09 20:46:55 <kerio> apt won't consider downgrading unless the repo the packages are coming from has a priority higher than 1000
Jan 09 20:52:40 <Satorin> I tried, but the behavior of apt-get upgrade doesn't seem to change.
Jan 09 20:52:48 <sixwheeledbeast> I would have thought all thumb ones would be there. "dpkg-query -W osso-pdf-viewer"
Jan 09 20:52:56 <Satorin> Oh wait.
Jan 09 20:53:00 <Satorin> Let me check...
Jan 09 20:55:05 <sixwheeledbeast> or even "dpkg-query -W | grep +thumb" for a full list
Jan 09 20:55:27 <sixwheeledbeast> but osso-pdf-view was updated recently IIRC
Jan 09 20:55:39 <sixwheeledbeast> ~cssu-thumb
Jan 09 20:55:40 <infobot> well, cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb
Jan 09 20:56:20 <sixwheeledbeast> Tmaemo8.3+thumb2 it seems
Jan 09 20:56:46 <sixwheeledbeast> freemangordon can you update the changelog on wmo please :)
Jan 09 21:00:45 <sixwheeledbeast> ~312/5
Jan 09 21:00:45 <infobot> 62.4
Jan 09 21:01:00 <sixwheeledbeast> ~62*3
Jan 09 21:01:00 <infobot> 186
Jan 09 21:10:57 <Satorin> I seem to have it working now. I pinned the repo and upgraded again.
Jan 09 21:11:11 <Satorin> Packages are their thumb versions now.
Jan 09 21:15:40 <hxka> OMG what
Jan 09 21:16:02 <hxka> 9.1 only brings fmtx-middleware and two qt libs
Jan 09 21:16:18 <hxka> They never had any thumb-compiled version
Jan 09 21:16:54 <hxka> There is no point in pinning the thumb repo, there is nowhere to downgrade there
Jan 09 21:17:42 <hxka> Except the mp, of course
Jan 09 21:19:28 <kerio> Satorin: for the general usage, only pin it to something like 600
Jan 09 21:21:35 <hxka> Nope, I lied. Those tho libs do have a thumb version, and you probably have it already.
Jan 09 21:22:42 * Satorin notes.
Jan 09 21:22:45 <hxka> It added ~2000kb because they're new, not an upgrade
Jan 09 21:22:57 <Satorin> Enabling Smartreflex should be safe, right?
Jan 09 21:23:05 <Satorin> Sorry for all the noob questions by the way.
Jan 09 21:23:07 <hxka> Yeah
Jan 09 21:28:14 <sixwheeledbeast> Smartreflex is stable on stock frequencies yes
Jan 09 21:29:10 <DocScrutinizer05> unclear
Jan 09 21:30:03 <DocScrutinizer05> according to Nokia it's not stable
Jan 09 21:30:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~sr
Jan 09 21:30:29 <infobot> [SmartReflex] >>Again, TI and we [Nokia] couldn't fix SmartReflex - we say memory corruption in front of our own eyes with that enabled, so we had to ship that disabled.<<
Jan 09 21:32:58 <DocScrutinizer05> of course you're free to outsmart TI and Nokia engineers, or simply say they lie at you
Jan 09 21:33:33 <DocScrutinizer05> or gamble and hope you have a "good" device
Jan 09 21:34:08 <DocScrutinizer05> or just don't care and go for SR no matter what, just for the leetness
Jan 09 21:35:03 <DocScrutinizer05> you as well can wear a tinfoil hat and claim nobody but you knows about the benefits it brings
Jan 09 21:36:06 <hxka> Wow, that was really unhelpful
Jan 09 21:36:18 <hxka> http://wiki.maemo.org/Smartreflex#Kernel_Power
Jan 09 21:38:27 <hxka> It is even enabled by default in kernel-power
Jan 09 21:41:29 <hxka> (maybe that's not true, but it definitely enabled in k-p-s default profile)
Jan 09 21:42:41 <DocScrutinizer05> well, that's thanks to those who prever gambling and leetness over stability and secure data
Jan 09 21:42:52 <DocScrutinizer05> prefer even
Jan 09 21:46:25 <DocScrutinizer05> I can think of at least 5 causes why SR fails and about same number of reasons why it may not fail on your particular device
Jan 09 21:47:51 <DocScrutinizer05> and of course almost all of those reasons are not static and stable - means when it doesn't fail today, that#s not any warranty that it doesn't fail tomorrow maybe
Jan 09 21:48:49 <DocScrutinizer05> while the true measured power savings form SR are rather marginal
Jan 09 21:50:07 <DocScrutinizer05> actually playing mp3 is probably the only usecase where SR would have any *noticeable* effect - as in "maybe 10% longer" or somesuch
Jan 09 21:51:14 <DocScrutinizer05> and please don't answer now with general undervolting since that's not what SR is all about
Jan 09 21:51:58 <DocScrutinizer05> SR is strictly about automatic core voltage regulation according to operating parameters of the core
Jan 09 21:52:53 <DocScrutinizer05> means on 500MHz and 600MHz SR has probably no effect per definitionem
Jan 09 21:54:05 <hxka> >I can think of at least 5 causes why SR fails and about same number of reasons why it may not fail on your particular device
Jan 09 21:54:16 <hxka> Can you elaborate?
Jan 09 21:56:55 <DocScrutinizer05> as elaborated above SR regulates core voltage. This is done in twl4030 PSM chip. just one possible cause of SR falure might be a propagation delay on Vcore trace from twl4030 to omap3430, caused by either a capacitor with specs out of range, or a layout oopsie, or a silicon error in either of both chips. Except the layout error all those culprits are depending on e.g. ambient temperature and whatnot else
Jan 09 21:58:39 <DocScrutinizer05> the trace may even be prone to ringing
Jan 09 21:58:54 <DocScrutinizer05> a particularly lovely effect EE have to cope with
Jan 09 22:00:05 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway there's no way whatsoever you could make sure or even just find out about SR status on your device
Jan 09 22:01:00 <Mike11> hello everybody :)
Jan 09 22:01:02 <DocScrutinizer05> unless you have a lab equpped with instruments that cost in the 6 digit rnage
Jan 09 22:01:21 <Mike11> I have a nokia n900 , with a very stupid problem with its camera
Jan 09 22:01:54 <Mike11> when it is dark , the flash works but right before the lens takes the picture
Jan 09 22:02:03 <Mike11> so the picture is always dark
Jan 09 22:02:03 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh
Jan 09 22:02:15 <DocScrutinizer05> that's indeed stupid
Jan 09 22:02:28 <Mike11> hahaha lol :D
Jan 09 22:02:36 <DocScrutinizer05> are you sure you haven't disabled flashlight?
Jan 09 22:02:39 <hxka> DocScrutinizer05: I must admit I'm not competent enough to tell if that makes sense.
Jan 09 22:02:48 <Mike11> do you think that is software related!?
Jan 09 22:03:03 <Mike11> no it is Automatic in camera settings
Jan 09 22:03:19 <Mike11> I have the package flashlight installed
Jan 09 22:03:26 <DocScrutinizer05> when flash disabled, I think it still uses flashlight for autofocus
Jan 09 22:04:17 <DocScrutinizer05> Mike11: honestly? reflash the device, then test without any of your usual apps installed (yet)
Jan 09 22:04:42 <DocScrutinizer05> no better idea on my side
Jan 09 22:05:34 <Mike11> yes thanks man :D
Jan 09 22:05:53 <Mike11> flashlight allows me to use the mobile as a torch
Jan 09 22:06:08 <DocScrutinizer05> make a BM backup and a standard osso backup
Jan 09 22:06:10 <Mike11> I don't think it is the one causing problems though
Jan 09 22:06:19 <DocScrutinizer05> then flash the rootfs
Jan 09 22:06:24 <DocScrutinizer05> then test
Jan 09 22:06:46 <DocScrutinizer05> then use the osso backup to restoe one app after the other, and test in between
Jan 09 22:06:53 <Mike11> that will take too long :( but looks like it is the only way :(
Jan 09 22:07:11 <DocScrutinizer05> when you think you found the culprit, restore from BM backup and uninstall the culprit
Jan 09 22:07:12 <Mike11> can it be the super user kernel!!??
Jan 09 22:07:30 <Mike11> thanks for your time man :)
Jan 09 22:07:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I doubt it's kernel related
Jan 09 22:08:34 <DocScrutinizer05> probably a smart bisect startegy with installing apps can considerably reduce the time to spot the culprit
Jan 09 22:08:34 <Mike11> also I was trying to install gcc compiler on n900 , but I have a problem with header files :(
Jan 09 22:09:08 <Mike11> a program with no includes that does nothing compiles
Jan 09 22:09:10 <DocScrutinizer05> reflash (takes 90s), install first 50% of apps (takes maybe 15 min automatic installation)
Jan 09 22:09:35 <Mike11> but when I include iostream , it says that file not found!!?
Jan 09 22:09:36 <DocScrutinizer05> when the error doesn't sho up, install 50% of the remaining 50%
Jan 09 22:09:58 <DocScrutinizer05> if error occured after 50% already: reflash and install only 25%
Jan 09 22:10:12 <Mike11> yes I will google those kinds of backups (BM and osso) , I've never done them before
Jan 09 22:10:23 <Mike11> do they backup intalled applications?
Jan 09 22:10:42 <DocScrutinizer05> you're not supposed to install gcc and friends on rootfs
Jan 09 22:10:51 <DocScrutinizer05> won't fit
Jan 09 22:11:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
Jan 09 22:11:09 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Jan 09 22:11:23 <Mike11> how else can I intall gcc?
Jan 09 22:11:24 <DocScrutinizer05> and osso backup is the defualt backup you find in appstarter
Jan 09 22:11:35 <Mike11> hmm good :)
Jan 09 22:11:36 <DocScrutinizer05> install gcc in easydeb chroot
Jan 09 22:12:07 <Mike11> why is it that bad to install gcc on rootfs??
Jan 09 22:12:12 <DocScrutinizer05> when you actually *need* compiler on your N900
Jan 09 22:12:24 <DocScrutinizer05> because rootfs is +small*
Jan 09 22:12:52 <DocScrutinizer05> Dateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf
Jan 09 22:12:53 <DocScrutinizer05> rootfs                228M  169M   56M  76% /
Jan 09 22:13:11 <Mike11> seems like I need a lot of more reading about the device :)
Jan 09 22:13:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ~optification
Jan 09 22:13:30 <infobot> optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,  http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"
Jan 09 22:13:43 <Mike11> I will read about this stuff (rootfs limitations, BM , chroot easydeb, .. )
Jan 09 22:13:49 <DocScrutinizer05> you don#t wnat to do this for gcc. So -> easydebian chroot
Jan 09 22:13:58 <Mike11> thanks again man :)
Jan 09 22:14:02 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Jan 09 22:14:23 <Mike11> out of curiosity how do you have this experience ??!
Jan 09 22:14:25 <Mike11> :)
Jan 09 22:14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> lingering on here for 5 years
Jan 09 22:14:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Jan 09 22:15:01 <Mike11> cool buddy I want to be like you :p
Jan 09 22:15:11 <DocScrutinizer05> no, you don't ;-D
Jan 09 22:15:57 <Mike11> why?! everybody wants to ask you :p
Jan 09 22:16:21 <Mike11> you are like google now :)
Jan 09 22:18:25 <DocScrutinizer05> a) don't think it feels good to be google
Jan 09 22:18:36 <DocScrutinizer05> b) that's my least worry
Jan 09 22:19:03 <DocScrutinizer05> those 5 years basically ruined my life
Jan 09 22:19:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Jan 09 22:20:01 <DocScrutinizer05> to be like me means you'll turn into a grumpy old sick zombie
Jan 09 22:21:20 <Mike11> why do you think of yourself like that??! how old are you man ?
Jan 09 22:21:48 <DocScrutinizer05> older than I'd prefer to be
Jan 09 22:22:37 <Mike11> maybe but you can still do what you want , no matter what age you are :)
Jan 09 22:23:13 <DocScrutinizer05> well, right now I actually do what is a lot of fun for me, yeah
Jan 09 22:23:26 <xes> i'm just wondering if nobody else has issues with the media player and mafw-gst-renderer... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72156&page=157
Jan 09 22:23:35 <Mike11> wish you the best buddy :D
Jan 09 22:23:46 <DocScrutinizer05> hi xes!
Jan 09 22:23:49 <DocScrutinizer05> issues?
Jan 09 22:23:51 <xes> hi Doc!
Jan 09 22:24:10 <DocScrutinizer05> mafw-gst-renderer is.... sub-par
Jan 09 22:24:36 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72156&page=157 tl;dr
Jan 09 22:25:39 <xes> issues...for a long time... Now it seems that something is more clear
Jan 09 22:27:15 <DocScrutinizer05> what issues?
Jan 09 22:27:43 <xes> video not starting ...random
Jan 09 22:27:54 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh
Jan 09 22:27:57 <xes> (nothing is really random)
Jan 09 22:28:07 <DocScrutinizer05> proly related to DSP 
Jan 09 22:29:12 <xes> yep i was thinking the same.  But now i have changed opinion
Jan 09 22:29:36 <DocScrutinizer05> every now and then H.264(?) decoder in DSP locks up, and sometimes not even a software reset (done autonatically) will resurrect it. Then you actually need to power down resp reboot
Jan 09 22:29:47 <xes> killing mafw-gst-renderer solves completely 
Jan 09 22:29:54 <DocScrutinizer05> ooooh!
Jan 09 22:30:03 <DocScrutinizer05> nice find!
Jan 09 22:31:34 <xes> my stupid OMP script gives ~99% working videos and more ram (see last post) 
Jan 09 22:31:48 <xes> but, for sure is not a proper solution
Jan 09 22:31:56 <DocScrutinizer05> miniminimini-app: queenbeecon-button: label="recover video", exec="killall mafw-gst-renderer"  ?
Jan 09 22:32:31 <xes> kill gst-renderer before and after omp... ;)
Jan 09 22:32:50 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, OMP
Jan 09 22:33:36 <xes> btw with stock media player it happens the same
Jan 09 22:33:38 <DocScrutinizer05> that might in fact explain it
Jan 09 22:33:46 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, not
Jan 09 22:33:53 <xes> yep
Jan 09 22:34:11 <DocScrutinizer05> rarely ever (if at all) happened to me
Jan 09 22:35:24 <xes> rarely != never and when that process is freezed it remains in that state until reboot 
Jan 09 22:39:23 <DocScrutinizer05> and do you know why it freezes?
Jan 09 22:40:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, when it happens so frequently to you, maybe a strace atached per default would shed some light on it?
Jan 09 22:41:24 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe gstreamer resp mafw even has some --debug already built in and it's just disabled or piped to /dev/null ?
Jan 09 22:41:29 <xes> ..not a clear idea so far
Jan 09 23:11:12 <RiD> hello
Jan 10 02:35:18 <lyka> happy new year! :)
Jan 10 02:36:36 <SAiF> happy new year, 
Jan 10 02:36:44 <SAiF> isnt it a little late..
Jan 10 02:57:21 <lyka> never too late
Jan 10 02:57:21 <lyka> :D
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