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Jan 21 06:35:50 <freemangordon> peterbjornx: you did that for 4 hours?
Jan 21 06:36:13 <freemangordon> name all the functions, etc ?
Jan 21 06:39:30 <freemangordon> peterbjornx: what?!? arm hexrays has finally leaked O.o
Jan 21 06:41:46 <peterbjornx> nope, just ida
Jan 21 06:41:57 <peterbjornx> and, yeah i've been nam
Jan 21 06:42:08 <peterbjornx> *naming some functions for a while
Jan 21 06:42:21 <peterbjornx> lots of them appear to be modified linux code
Jan 21 06:43:00 <freemangordon> yeah, big parts of nolo come from the kernel afaik
Jan 21 06:43:47 <freemangordon> peterbjornx: are you interested in neo900 project?
Jan 21 14:50:23 <Mentha> hello there!
Jan 21 14:51:28 <Mentha> quick question, iam a biker and i want to build in a bt-headset into my helmet, so that i can get calls while driving.
Jan 21 14:55:16 <Mentha> so far so easy, but now the more specialized thing, as a matter of fact, i tend to listen to the fm-radio while driving and with a wired headset thats no matter whatsoever, but what if i would like to do it wireless over the build-in (into the helmet) bt-headset and plug in a short cable into the 3,5mm-jack, would i still be able to pair it and hear sound on the bluetooth headset?
Jan 21 15:07:03 <DocScrutinizer05> good question, I'm sure technically it works. But you need to convince alsaped and friends to route to BT while a HS-jack is plugged in
Jan 21 15:07:48 <Mentha> yea, i guess nobody yet has had that setup, or  atleast it isnt very common :D
Jan 21 15:07:59 <warfare> Mentha: Why not using a headset that also supports A2DP? 
Jan 21 15:08:13 <DocScrutinizer05> the problem is that FM-radio refuses to work when it thinks there's no atenna (HS) plugged in
Jan 21 15:08:34 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: hmm?
Jan 21 15:08:46 <DocScrutinizer05> the problem is in audio routing in N900
Jan 21 15:09:15 <DocScrutinizer05> when you plug in a wired headset, that overrides the BT headset afaik
Jan 21 15:09:17 <warfare> Ah, Headphones have priority over BT. 
Jan 21 15:10:30 <warfare> http://senabluetooth.com/product/intercoms/sph10h-fm/ would be a solution. 
Jan 21 15:10:34 <DocScrutinizer05> I think I managed to confuse the logic so it routed to BT even with HS-jack plugged in. Try different sequences of enabling BT and plugging/unpluggin/replugging HS-jack
Jan 21 15:10:40 <Mentha> yep, also my thought :)
Jan 21 15:11:48 <DocScrutinizer05> another problem is: it seems ringtones are never played back via headset, no matter which one
Jan 21 15:13:14 <Mentha> warfare: yep, already thought about a headset with builtin fm-radio, but this would then habe to be controlled complettly over the controlls of the bt-unit, not sure if it would be doable with gloves on :)
Jan 21 15:13:17 <DocScrutinizer05> tbh I don't know if switching between BT HSP(?) for monaural bidir voice call and A2DP while listening music works at all
Jan 21 15:14:08 <DocScrutinizer05> Mentha: there are BT headsets that can pair to more than one peer device concurrently
Jan 21 15:15:48 <Mentha> DocScrutinizer05: ringtones work here btw. with the default-n900 headset while listening to the fm-radio, its stop for a sequend starts playing the ringtone and you can take the call by pushing the button, afterwards it reverts to the fm-radio (using qradio)
Jan 21 15:16:57 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh, and maybe even worse (though i need to check the schematics for details): the FM-radio is built in to same chip like BT, and I guess they share a single PCM interface for audio
Jan 21 15:17:50 <DocScrutinizer05> if that's correct then listening to FM and using BT audio would be mutually exclusive
Jan 21 15:19:01 <Mentha> DocScrutinizer05: yep, its the same chip :D
Jan 21 15:19:18 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, but I dunno about the FM audio interface
Jan 21 15:19:48 <Mentha> _that_ should kill the attempt i guess :)
Jan 21 15:21:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, FM-audio is analog
Jan 21 15:21:55 <DocScrutinizer05> BT is I2S/PCM
Jan 21 15:21:56 <Mentha> i mean qradio has the possibilty to switch to the internal speakers, while the headset is plugged in, but i guess its a complettly other thing to output audio over the chip that is been used already to make fm-radio work from the beginnin :)
Jan 21 15:22:28 <DocScrutinizer05> so this is no issue
Jan 21 15:23:50 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I recall javispedro pondering an audio routing that allows FM-radio with CPU suspended, thanks to the audio from BT chip being analog and thus no conversion D/A needed
Jan 21 15:24:12 <DocScrutinizer05> in your case CPU/audio-codec needs to convert A/D
Jan 21 15:25:10 <Mentha> yep, guess it will be a major pita to accomplish it :)
Jan 21 15:25:18 <DocScrutinizer05> *should* be no major problem (except maybe for power consumption, which shouldn't be higher than with MP3 listening nevertheless)
Jan 21 15:26:36 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry I never managed to grok how audio routing *really* is done in fremantle
Jan 21 15:26:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I just know that alsaped is involved somehow
Jan 21 15:27:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and of course PA
Jan 21 15:28:49 <DocScrutinizer05> if that whole domain would be properly analyzed and reverse-engineered already, we had less headache from Neo900 audio hardware and how to implement it so it's 100% compatible to fremantle and N900
Jan 21 15:30:27 <DocScrutinizer05> alas Nokia considered audio mission-critical for a phone (ok) and thus not suitable for user to mess with it (NOT ok), and thus we have a big blackbox for all that
Jan 21 15:33:23 <DocScrutinizer05> when you can find javispedro, you might ask him for advice. I think he's the one I know of who knows best about that audio stuff
Jan 21 15:35:12 <Mentha> is he still on the maemo forum?
Jan 21 15:35:20 <DocScrutinizer05> err yep
Jan 21 15:35:38 <DocScrutinizer05> seen a post of him a few weeks ago
Jan 21 15:38:16 <Mentha> ok thanks mate, lets see if it works out well, would be great.. w'll see :)
Jan 21 15:38:25 <Mentha> have a nice day o/
Jan 21 15:38:32 <DocScrutinizer05> please let us know if it worked
Jan 21 15:38:40 <DocScrutinizer05> o/
Jan 21 15:41:29 <merlin1991> anobody got any idea how this can happen http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3071e97b/ (compare line 7 and line 19)
Jan 21 15:46:12 <FIQ> [16:11:49] <DocScrutinizer05> another problem is: it seems ringtones are never played back via headset, no matter which one
Jan 21 15:46:25 <FIQ> ringtones play just fine here
Jan 21 15:46:27 <FIQ> with hs
Jan 21 15:46:31 <DocScrutinizer05> yesm that's what I posted
Jan 21 15:48:19 <DocScrutinizer05> and I know for sure that, when I listen to mp3 via my home stereo (linked to N900 with AV-cable) and a call comes in, the ringtone does NOT get played back via my home stereo
Jan 21 15:49:36 <DocScrutinizer05> it just mutes the music on "headset" and plays back the ringtone via device speakers, like specified in wiki about multimedia framework
Jan 21 15:49:40 <DocScrutinizer05> and audio
Jan 21 15:50:34 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe headset and headPHONES are different in that regard for audio-routing
Jan 21 15:50:50 <FIQ> that sounds silly
Jan 21 15:51:42 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm
Jan 21 15:53:06 <FIQ> is there a good reason for that?
Jan 21 15:57:54 <DocScrutinizer05> aha!
Jan 21 15:57:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Pulseaudio: Ringtone is heard from the loudspeaker if BT connected.
Jan 21 15:57:59 <DocScrutinizer05> Ringtone played both to headset (BT or wired) and to internal HF speakers.
Jan 21 15:58:05 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1
Jan 21 16:03:32 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain  enjoy! :-S
Jan 21 16:04:38 <DocScrutinizer05> good reason? well, I feel quite ok with the N900 *not* playing ringtones via my home stereo amp
Jan 21 16:05:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I also feel ok with device audibly playing ringtones even when headset still plugged in since I forgot to unplug when I put it down somewhere
Jan 21 16:06:34 <DocScrutinizer05> but actually that SHALL be a user config setting
Jan 21 16:06:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ~2119
Jan 21 16:06:47 <infobot> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
Jan 21 16:14:12 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf is >>Fast SMS rejection of incoming call.<< ?
Jan 21 16:23:32 <peterbjornx> wil lthat even work considering bt and fm are in one chip
Jan 21 16:24:14 <peterbjornx> freemangordon: yeah, im interested in neo900 but dont really know that much about it
Jan 21 16:24:59 <freemangordon> peterbjornx: ~neo900
Jan 21 16:25:03 <freemangordon> oop
Jan 21 16:25:05 <freemangordon> ~neo900
Jan 21 16:25:06 <infobot> rumour has it, neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/
Jan 21 16:25:28 <freemangordon> peterbjornx: it shouldn;t be much different compared to n900
Jan 21 16:26:48 <freemangordon> peterbjornx: if you are interested in joining the fptf, please join #maemo-ssu
Jan 21 16:27:12 <freemangordon> we need at leas on guys with IDA/kernel skills :D
Jan 21 16:27:15 <freemangordon> *least
Jan 21 16:27:25 <freemangordon> ~fptf
Jan 21 16:27:25 <infobot> [fptf] the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
Jan 21 16:30:29 <freemangordon> hmm, I scared him :)
Jan 21 17:50:13 <peterbjornx> my client fucked up, did i miss anything important
Jan 21 17:50:21 <peterbjornx> ?
Jan 21 18:16:27 <freemangordon> peterbjornx: 
Jan 21 18:16:30 <freemangordon> freemangordon	peterbjornx: it shouldn;t be much different compared to n900	18:25
Jan 21 18:16:32 <freemangordon> freemangordon	peterbjornx: if you are interested in joining the fptf, please join #maemo-ssu	18:26
Jan 21 18:16:34 <freemangordon> freemangordon	we need at leas on guys with IDA/kernel skills :D	18:27
Jan 21 18:16:36 <freemangordon> freemangordon	*least
Jan 21 18:16:47 <freemangordon> ~fptf
Jan 21 18:16:47 <infobot> i guess fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
Jan 21 18:17:34 <freemangordon> peterbjornx: well, we need at least *one more* :)
Jan 21 18:19:31 <peterbjornx> im not that experienced with kernel dev, i do know quite a bit of c but mostly the tech stuff. not the cs theory part
Jan 21 18:19:43 <freemangordon> cs?
Jan 21 18:19:48 <peterbjornx> computer science
Jan 21 18:20:01 <peterbjornx> the math side of things
Jan 21 18:20:09 <freemangordon> peterbjornx: neither am I (experienced with kernel dev), but still ...
Jan 21 18:20:18 <freemangordon> oh, that shouldn't be a problem
Jan 21 18:20:34 <freemangordon> there is no much math in the UI, for example
Jan 21 18:21:13 <freemangordon> and being a C developer should mean that you know "how it works" :)
Jan 21 18:22:11 <freemangordon> peterbjornx: honestly, I need someone to help me with the RE part, now the jonwil gave up
Jan 21 18:22:51 <peterbjornx> true, although my knowledge about many of the high level libs is pretty limited, i've only really played with c on low level (micros)
Jan 21 18:22:51 <freemangordon> and we'll need some RE done, for neo900, esp GPS/modem part
Jan 21 18:22:52 <peterbjornx> ok
Jan 21 18:22:57 <peterbjornx> what do i need to look at
Jan 21 18:23:11 <freemangordon> peterbjornx: join #maemo-ssu as a start :)
Jan 21 18:23:27 <freemangordon> as we're a bit OT here
Jan 21 19:54:46 <Ashley`> hi?
Jan 21 19:55:08 <Ashley`> how to troubleshoot not working mobile internet connection? (3g)
Jan 21 19:55:45 <Ashley`> It's disconnects when some app wants to connect to the internet
Jan 21 19:55:54 <Ashley`> *It
Jan 21 19:56:02 <Ashley`> in dmesg I can see only:
Jan 21 19:56:06 <Ashley`> gprs0: attached
Jan 21 19:56:10 <Ashley`> gprs0: detached
Jan 21 20:02:18 <DrGrov> Hello hello
Jan 21 20:02:31 <DrGrov> Just wondering, I know this is not a Maemo type of question but still I thought I would ask it.
Jan 21 20:02:58 <DrGrov> Can I sync Google contacts to a Nokia 208? Just bought it and according to some resources online it should be possible to achieve that fairly easy.
Jan 21 20:15:42 <sixwheeledbeast> Ashley`: fMMS issue, maybe?
Jan 21 20:17:39 <Ashley`> I don't have it on my phone
Jan 21 20:18:00 <Ashley`> I've fastsms... but I had it before and everything worked
Jan 21 20:19:07 <Ashley`> (Ugh, my english... My messages... look awful, right? :f)
Jan 21 20:19:19 <sixwheeledbeast> ok just a thought, in "havoc" mode IIRC it bumps the 3G connection off while it does it's thing.
Jan 21 20:19:45 <sixwheeledbeast> what is happening exactly?
Jan 21 20:32:59 <Ashley`> <sixwheeledbeast> ok just a thought, in "havoc" mode IIRC it bumps the 3G connection off while it does it's thing.
Jan 21 20:33:05 <Ashley`> oh, sorry, I was afk
Jan 21 20:33:13 <Ashley`> 1. what is havoc mode?
Jan 21 20:33:21 <sixwheeledbeast> fMMS
Jan 21 20:33:25 <Ashley`> ah
Jan 21 20:33:26 <Ashley`> ok
Jan 21 20:34:07 <Ashley`> 2: I connect to internet by 3g (Connect to Internet (Połącz z Internetem) dialog...)
Jan 21 20:34:18 <Ashley`> I launch... for example xchat
Jan 21 20:35:09 <Ashley`> And when it tries to connect to server (first, resolve domain)
Jan 21 20:35:32 <Ashley`> Connection icon disappears, and connection is lost
Jan 21 20:35:44 <Ashley`> (dmesg says "gprs0: detached")
Jan 21 20:35:55 <Ashley`> (i hope you can understand me ;_;)
Jan 21 20:41:04 <Ashley`> Oh well...
Jan 21 20:41:06 <Ashley`> again...
Jan 21 20:41:14 <Ashley`> It magicaly started to work >.<
Jan 21 20:41:22 <Ashley`> I just need to ask on IRC
Jan 21 20:41:48 <Ashley`> and my n900 repairs itself magically
Jan 21 20:42:09 <SAiF> lol
Jan 21 20:42:11 <Ashley`> sorry... again..
Jan 21 20:42:20 <Ashley`> that's second time -.-
Jan 21 20:42:31 <SAiF> it happens..
Jan 21 20:42:32 <freemangordon> ashley: yeah, asking the correct questions usually helps to find the solution :)
Jan 21 20:42:50 <Ashley`> freemangordon, but I didn't find the solution
Jan 21 20:43:02 <Ashley`> freemangordon, my n900 fixed itself somehow xD
Jan 21 20:43:07 <freemangordon> wait, your problem is solved, ain't?
Jan 21 20:43:09 <Ashley`> freemangordon, second time!
Jan 21 20:43:37 <Ashley`> yeah... but... hm. Maybe it's solution to my N900 problems.
Jan 21 20:43:47 <freemangordon> see :P
Jan 21 20:43:48 <Ashley`> Ask, *magic*, done.
Jan 21 20:44:08 <Ashley`> Sorry for taking your time :f
Jan 21 20:45:00 <sixwheeledbeast> It's not a signal issue? which icon disappears? Network settings?
Jan 21 20:48:11 <DrGrov> Sorry for my off-topic in this channel. Apologies.
Jan 21 20:50:47 <Ashley`> sixwheeledbeast, I'd send you screenshot of that icon, but I need to do my awfully large homework...
Jan 21 21:08:52 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: could you add a note on your "testing-squad" thread that cutetube needs one more vote to enter -extras?
Jan 21 21:09:35 <sixwheeledbeast> freemangordon: yep ok I have been, waiting for vagalume to get 2 more votes.
Jan 21 21:09:54 <sixwheeledbeast> What s the plan with tracker-cfg?
Jan 21 21:10:13 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: if I am not mistaken, last time I tried it, it was broken (vagalume)
Jan 21 21:10:22 <freemangordon> hmm, what about tracker-cfg?
Jan 21 21:11:08 <freemangordon> no active maintainer?
Jan 21 21:11:12 <sixwheeledbeast> nope it was updated and has always worked for me, the issue is possibly the service.
Jan 21 21:12:01 <sixwheeledbeast> you promoted tracker-cfg IIRC and it has passed QA but no maintainer to push to extras, do we just push it anyway?
Jan 21 21:12:50 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: well, I can't decide on my own. I guess that's council material
Jan 21 21:13:39 <sixwheeledbeast> cool I'll mention it next week then, unless you become a maintainer and promote it :)
Jan 21 21:14:01 <freemangordon> I know nothing about python. maybe kerio :P
Jan 21 21:14:19 <sixwheeledbeast> worth a try :P
Jan 21 21:14:25 <DocScrutinizer05> [general notice] please don't adopt the habit to quote a complete post of the one talking just before you reply
Jan 21 21:14:38 <DocScrutinizer05> eventually this will not get tolerated anymore
Jan 21 21:15:06 <DocScrutinizer05> this is no email with fullquote, and no forum
Jan 21 21:17:12 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: I have rights to promote it in extras and this will not be the first orphaned package in extras, but I can;t take the decision 
Jan 21 21:17:46 <freemangordon> so please, raise the issue on the next council meeting
Jan 21 21:19:20 <DocScrutinizer05> Ashley`: either signal issue (poor RF GSM signal), or modem slow death ("No SIM detected")
Jan 21 21:19:20 <sixwheeledbeast> freemangordon: no I understand, it's no problem. I thought I'd ask because I thought you promoted it. I will mention it at the meeting 
Jan 21 21:20:21 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: yes, I promoted it to -testing, but -extras is not the same
Jan 21 21:20:34 <freemangordon> aiui
Jan 21 21:20:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I think gprs0 "NIC" vanishes as soon as modem can't connect to network and thus can't provide connectivity
Jan 21 21:20:41 <sixwheeledbeast> yep that's fine
Jan 21 21:21:31 <freemangordon> ok, enough for today, night guys
Jan 21 21:25:57 <sixwheeledbeast> o/ gn fmg
Jan 21 21:41:41 <Ashley`> hm...
Jan 21 21:42:43 <Ashley`> a way to change profile to 'silent' without typing device password would be cool
Jan 21 21:43:01 <Ashley`> maybe i'll try to implement it
Jan 21 21:43:04 <Ashley`> *try*
Jan 21 21:43:07 <Ashley`> *maybe*
Jan 21 21:43:43 <Ashley`> I'm bad at understanding code written by someone else, so it won't be easy
Jan 21 21:43:47 <Ashley`> :P
Jan 21 21:44:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess volume keys can get enabled to work even when devie is locked
Jan 21 21:44:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm sure they can
Jan 21 21:44:34 <Ashley`> huh
Jan 21 21:44:49 <DocScrutinizer05> then you get dbus-scripting
Jan 21 21:45:04 <Ashley`> i didn't think about that
Jan 21 21:45:06 <Ashley`> heh
Jan 21 21:45:15 <DocScrutinizer05> check for a nice sequence on dbus and trigger your profile switching
Jan 21 21:45:19 <Ashley`> It would be much easier
Jan 21 21:45:22 <Ashley`> :P
Jan 21 21:46:23 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc you enable volume keys in rtc/mce/mce.ini
Jan 21 21:46:31 <DocScrutinizer05> etc even
Jan 21 21:47:00 <DocScrutinizer05> something like a fast up-down-up should do
Jan 21 21:47:09 <Ashley`> yeah
Jan 21 21:47:11 <Ashley`> thanks
Jan 21 21:47:12 <DocScrutinizer05> as "key makro"
Jan 21 21:47:24 <DocScrutinizer05> profile switching should be in 
Jan 21 21:47:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~phonecontrol
Jan 21 21:47:29 <infobot> rumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
Jan 21 21:47:41 <DocScrutinizer05> dbus-scripting is a package
Jan 21 21:48:03 <DocScrutinizer05> will be sth like 50 lines bash scrip max
Jan 21 21:50:54 <sixwheeledbeast> Ashley`: see ~beasttweaks, I have modded the camera key to skip track you could do the same for silent.
Jan 21 21:50:58 <sixwheeledbeast> ~beasttweaks
Jan 21 21:50:59 <infobot> hmm... beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts
Jan 21 21:51:42 <Ashley`> I like how it's named "beast tweaks". It looks like "best tweaks" :D
Jan 21 21:53:08 <sixwheeledbeast> it wasn't intentional :whistle:
Jan 21 21:53:19 <Ashley`> :D
Jan 21 22:05:20 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: does that work with locked screen?
Jan 21 22:06:28 <sixwheeledbeast>  the camera hack, yes. it makes the "cam_disable" value read only so you can leave the cam key unlocked 
Jan 21 22:07:09 <sixwheeledbeast> but it doesn't persist reboot so needs upstart script or whatever at boot
Jan 21 22:07:20 <DocScrutinizer05> hey, nice :-9
Jan 21 22:07:29 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Jan 21 22:07:46 <DocScrutinizer05> real cool hack
Jan 21 22:08:14 <sixwheeledbeast> credit to vi_ TBH I just found it in a old TMO post and put it on my tweaks page.
Jan 21 22:08:15 <Ashley`> DocScrutinizer05++ :P
Jan 21 22:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, cam button isn't one of the kbd keys
Jan 21 22:09:13 <DocScrutinizer05> so gets handled via /sys/buttons/bla...
Jan 21 22:09:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess
Jan 21 22:09:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and via kevent
Jan 21 22:10:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ke-recv?
Jan 21 22:10:06 <DocScrutinizer05> hal?
Jan 21 22:10:36 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: on what you trigger?
Jan 21 22:10:51 <DocScrutinizer05> dbus signal?
Jan 21 22:12:08 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, it's just unlocking the key
Jan 21 22:12:34 <DocScrutinizer05> so you still need some pkg like that cambutton-menu or whatsitcalled
Jan 21 22:12:56 <sixwheeledbeast> I use shortcutd so short focus is next track and long press is secure device
Jan 21 22:13:10 <DocScrutinizer05> shortcutd was da name
Jan 21 22:13:58 <Ashley`> good night
Jan 21 22:14:02 <sixwheeledbeast> gn
Jan 21 22:14:10 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, probably even easier than vol+/- hack I suggested
Jan 21 22:14:15 <DocScrutinizer05> n8 Ashley`
Jan 21 22:15:31 <Ashley`> ~hug
Jan 21 22:15:32 * infobot hugs ashley`
Jan 21 22:15:41 <Ashley`> ok. now i can go ;)
Jan 21 22:20:55 <sixwheeledbeast> :)
Jan 21 22:21:01 <sixwheeledbeast> ~botsnack
Jan 21 22:21:01 <infobot> thanks, sixwheeledbeast
Jan 21 22:22:00 <DocScrutinizer05> Ashley`: you're aware that turning device face down instantly mutes it?
Jan 21 22:23:40 <sixwheeledbeast> Yes, I would think so. I have yet to bother with a upstart script. Just being lazy and copying it into terminal on boot which doesn't happen often any more anyway.
Jan 21 22:24:05 <DocScrutinizer05> (my Samsung Omnia knew that too, alas it been sort of hairtrigger and braindamagedly muted mp3 playback with each step I did with device in pocket
Jan 21 22:24:08 <DocScrutinizer05> )
Jan 21 22:24:51 <sixwheeledbeast> it also snoozes the alarm IIRC
Jan 21 22:24:56 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Jan 21 22:25:33 <sixwheeledbeast> but remember to put the device screen up for the next snooze ;)
Jan 21 22:25:43 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno
Jan 21 22:25:59 <DocScrutinizer05> for calls (ringtones) it's supposed to ring even when face down
Jan 21 22:26:12 <DocScrutinizer05> you have to turn it 360° to mute it again
Jan 21 22:27:00 <DocScrutinizer05> never used it for alarm snooze 
Jan 21 22:27:27 <DocScrutinizer05> alarm is a sad joke for me anyway. I'm not even starting to wake up before it times out
Jan 21 22:27:48 <DocScrutinizer05> 60s of alarm are too short for me
Jan 21 22:28:41 <sixwheeledbeast> IIRC the only time I did a "double snooze" it didn't silence from flipping it over back side up.
Jan 21 22:28:43 <DocScrutinizer05> so I prefer starting mp3 playback via alarmed
Jan 21 22:29:50 <DocScrutinizer05> alarmd syntax (not alarmed) is epic
Jan 21 22:30:35 <DocScrutinizer05> you can define OK and "snooze" buttons with dbus actions when pressed, and arbitrary executables to start iirc
Jan 21 22:30:46 <sixwheeledbeast> Well replacement worldclock has code for custom alarm tones for future use, not available a the moment.
Jan 21 22:31:00 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Jan 21 22:32:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/6157ee0311
Jan 21 22:32:28 <sixwheeledbeast> I can't remember why, some hardcoded value somewhere IIRC
Jan 21 22:33:15 <sixwheeledbeast> or use alarmd
Jan 21 22:33:31 <sixwheeledbeast> alarmed actually
Jan 21 22:38:19 <DocScrutinizer05> line 64ff EXAMPLES
Jan 21 22:38:23 <DocScrutinizer05> awesome
Jan 21 22:38:49 <DocScrutinizer05> alarmed is kinda more convenient to use
Jan 21 22:39:28 <DocScrutinizer05> (surprise, no? after all I contributed to alarmed)
Jan 21 22:39:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-D
Jan 21 22:41:32 <DocScrutinizer05> nevertheless, awesome:  alarmclient -b label=Snooze,flags=TYPE_SNOOZE+WHEN_RESPONDED -b label=Stop,flags=TYPE_DBUS+WHEN_RESPONDED,dbus_service=com.foo.bar,dbus_path=/com/foo/bar,dbus_name=stop_clicked -Dint32:124 -Dstring:hello -n title='Two Button Alarm',message='Hello there',alarm_time=20
Jan 21 23:11:15 <sixwheeledbeast> freemangordon: cutetube promotion unlocked thanks to arcean.
Jan 21 23:11:54 <Sc0rpius> builder works?
Jan 21 23:12:04 <Sc0rpius> yeah it works
Jan 21 23:12:11 <Sc0rpius> builder emails work?
Jan 21 23:12:12 <Sc0rpius> :(
Jan 21 23:14:17 <Sc0rpius> yeah they work :(
Jan 21 23:14:19 <Sc0rpius> I mean :)\
Jan 21 23:14:42 <sixwheeledbeast> eh
Jan 21 23:14:59 <Sc0rpius> why was cutetube promotion locked?
Jan 21 23:25:18 <sixwheeledbeast> because it takes forever to get ~6 persons to QA and vote for a package on garage
Jan 21 23:27:22 <sixwheeledbeast> hence http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ 6 pages worth
Jan 22 01:56:12 <Sc0rpius> then I guess they should lower the QA votes from 6 to 3 or something.
Jan 22 02:49:26 <DocScrutinizer05> err, nope
Jan 22 02:50:31 <DocScrutinizer05> the problem is rather that even 6 votes are often not based on proper QA but rather "WFM" or mere sympathy
Jan 22 02:53:19 <DocScrutinizer05> I've seen users voting up packages that were not even installed every on their devices
Jan 22 02:53:29 <DocScrutinizer05> just because they wanted that app
Jan 22 02:53:48 <DocScrutinizer05> s/every/ever/
Jan 22 02:55:57 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly how a package that doesn't uninstall or eats battery like candy ever makes it into extras is beyond me
Jan 22 02:56:24 <SAiF> :)
Jan 22 02:56:32 <DocScrutinizer05> shouldn't get a single thumb-up vote in extras-testing
Jan 22 02:59:27 <DocScrutinizer05> I just say
Jan 22 02:59:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~crappatch
Jan 22 02:59:32 <infobot> somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]
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