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Mar 07 09:52:27 <Munrek> DocScrutinizer05: I have also mirrored nokia images, now my mirror has the latest pr131 and the central europe emmc
Mar 07 10:00:44 <antithesis> Does Lukija work for anyone?
Mar 07 10:00:53 <antithesis> It's a read it later client
Mar 07 10:15:50 <antithesis> I can't ssh into my n900 unless I have it constantly ping my router. Is there a solution to this bug?
Mar 07 10:19:50 <Defiant> antithesis: tried disable power management
Mar 07 10:21:32 <antithesis> Defiant you mean auto disconnect?
Mar 07 10:21:35 <antithesis> Because I have tried that
Mar 07 10:21:43 <Defiant> no power management
Mar 07 10:22:11 <Defiant> or power save, not sure what it is called in the english version
Mar 07 10:23:13 <antithesis> I can't find that option
Mar 07 10:23:21 <antithesis> Btw it's the problem described here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=544902&postcount=37
Mar 07 10:23:41 <antithesis> Wait no, that's not the right one
Mar 07 10:23:54 <antithesis> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=560862&postcount=38 this one
Mar 07 10:24:50 <narcos> Hi all :) Anyone know how we're doing with the Neo900?
Mar 07 10:25:22 <narcos> DocScrutinizer: I think that's your baby, right?
Mar 07 10:27:19 <Defiant> antithesis: under settings, select your connection, then go to advanced, other and select medium or off for power save
Mar 07 10:27:26 <Defiant> that fixed my ssh problems
Mar 07 10:32:19 <cgk> antithesis: maemo-pc-connectivity with usb -- i played around a long time ago with my n900 and used this to develop from my laptop 
Mar 07 10:32:26 <antithesis> Defiant thanks
Mar 07 10:33:30 <antithesis> cgk it's solved :)
Mar 07 10:38:57 <teotwaki> ~ping
Mar 07 10:38:57 <infobot> ~pong
Mar 07 11:20:04 <cgk> hi - i'm new to irc .. i have an n900 that i want to 'make new'.  i'm thinking i want to reset it, bring it 'up to date', install python, (i would like) qt5, and then install ukeyboard, and pokerth.  after reading wiki.maemo.org, i see n900 flasher software and images were taken down by nokia - i'd like to flash the device but are there some tradeoffs with using unofficial files?  in a bit i'm going to sit down and read through a bunch of this stuff.  if anybody h
Mar 07 11:20:05 <cgk> advice about this i'd appreciate it.
Mar 07 11:44:05 <silviof> ~nokiabinaries
Mar 07 11:44:05 <infobot> [nokiabinaries] at http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo5.0/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79/nokia-binaries/
Mar 07 11:44:10 <zGrr> moin :)
Mar 07 11:44:28 <silviof> cgk: ping
Mar 07 11:44:39 <silviof> tach zGrr :)
Mar 07 11:45:08 <zGrr> :)
Mar 07 11:48:14 <cgk> ~nokiabinaries
Mar 07 11:48:14 <infobot> it has been said that nokiabinaries is at http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo5.0/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79/nokia-binaries/
Mar 07 11:56:32 <cgk> silviof : wow - thanks - if this is what i think
Mar 07 11:57:48 <silviof> cgk: hmm, what to you think? :-P
Mar 07 11:58:31 <hxka> There is an N900 without an MicroSD flex cable, his user says the camera program won't open, is there a way to make camera work?
Mar 07 12:03:26 <cgk> silviof : i thought there'd be a flasher tool and an image file and some options for region that might not be that important - i looked at the packages file of the 'nokiabinaries link' and it looks like the maemo default software - calendar, control panel, libraries - low-level platform stuff ..
Mar 07 12:09:30 <hxka> cgk: http://galif.eu/nokia/
Mar 07 12:11:14 <cgk> hxka : thank you
Mar 07 12:11:52 <hxka> cgk: thank Munrek :) It's his server
Mar 07 12:12:42 <cgk> munrek: thank You
Mar 07 12:12:51 <silviof> :-)
Mar 07 12:56:27 <Munrek> if there is other regional images that need an hosting, you are welcome to contact me ;)
Mar 07 13:12:57 <DocScrutinizer05> Munrek: the regional emmc images are really not that interesting. It's all just about the videos and music that comes with them, or maybe the set on localized "guides" as well. every reasonable user will discard all that material anyway, after max 1 week
Mar 07 13:14:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Munrek: thanks anyway :-)
Mar 07 13:15:31 <Munrek> DocScrutinizer05: ok I was wondering because nokia's european image weight more than the double of the vanilla one
Mar 07 13:15:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet it comes with an additional video
Mar 07 13:17:24 <FIQ> tbh I never discarded these
Mar 07 13:17:35 <DocScrutinizer05> on new devices there been at least "number 9" (some animation film) and a N900 promo
Mar 07 13:17:53 <FIQ> I never really found a problem with them being there
Mar 07 13:17:58 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: great, so you can post a list what they are
Mar 07 13:18:01 <FIQ> even though I never used them
Mar 07 13:18:23 <FIQ> are you referring to the demo video?
Mar 07 13:18:41 <DocScrutinizer05> I kept them for long time, but probably eventually discarded or not migrated them
Mar 07 13:18:58 <DocScrutinizer05> the whole original content of MyDocs
Mar 07 13:19:03 <Munrek> (DocScrutinizer05: you can also add my mirror to the "pr131" bot thing now)
Mar 07 13:19:19 <FIQ> I can take a look once I get on hold of a turned on N900
Mar 07 13:19:28 <DocScrutinizer05> Munrek: well, it's OK I think
Mar 07 13:20:11 <FIQ> have nokia discarded maemo stuff yet?
Mar 07 13:20:17 <FIQ> firmware and such I mean
Mar 07 13:20:36 <FIQ> I have backups locally, just curious
Mar 07 13:21:09 <Munrek> FIQ: yes, the tablets-dev website has been shutdown a few month ago I think
Mar 07 13:21:19 <FIQ> mhm
Mar 07 13:21:43 <Munrek> maybe 4 months, it's not that old
Mar 07 13:21:44 <FIQ> wasn't that merely a CNAME to maemo.org?
Mar 07 13:21:54 <FIQ> talk.mamo.org
Mar 07 13:21:57 <FIQ> to be precise
Mar 07 13:22:07 <Munrek> visit http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/
Mar 07 13:22:14 <Munrek> "This maemo.org page got discontinued, please call your local Nokia customer care. (http://www.nokia.com/support/) "
Mar 07 13:22:30 <raininja> -I/scratchbox/users/raijin/targets/harmattan_ARM/usr/include/connsettings 
Mar 07 13:22:31 <FIQ> mhm
Mar 07 13:22:46 <FIQ> what are these supposed to do? :p
Mar 07 13:22:51 <raininja> anything wrong with this for building Qt?
Mar 07 13:22:51 <FIQ> nokia care I mean
Mar 07 13:23:25 <raininja> it is complaining, and we have no libconnsettings in arch
Mar 07 13:23:31 <raininja> *ding*
Mar 07 13:23:39 <raininja> i suppose i need to fix that
Mar 07 13:23:45 <FIQ> hmmm
Mar 07 13:23:59 <DocScrutinizer05> omg: music mp3 I never heard of: Chad Gendason; Chuck winslow; Gresby Nash; Jensen Reed Patel; Mark Kulke; Popeiluch; Stone + Griffiths; Everitt; 
Mar 07 13:24:07 <FIQ> what about N9? did their stuff survive?
Mar 07 13:25:14 <DocScrutinizer05> actually the tablets-dev site got shutdown >1year ago, just we revived it temporarily until Nokia complained
Mar 07 13:27:21 <DocScrutinizer05> raininja: when you're building for N9, you are not exactly in right channel here, see /topic
Mar 07 13:27:48 <raininja> well I need QtMaemo5 
Mar 07 13:27:57 <DocScrutinizer05> raininja: when you're building for fremantle then your harmattan stuff for sure is odd
Mar 07 13:29:36 <DocScrutinizer05> raininja: well, Qt is supposed to provide a cross-platform toolkit, but that doesn't mean the toolkit itself is platform agnostic, rather the opposite is true
Mar 07 13:30:00 <Munrek> DocScrutinizer05: why did they complained ?
Mar 07 13:30:13 <raininja> in otherwords, you don't know
Mar 07 13:30:15 <raininja> thanks
Mar 07 13:31:14 <DocScrutinizer05> raininja: I don't know what?
Mar 07 13:31:47 <DocScrutinizer05> I know that building Qt for fremantle and having a harmattan reference in compiler cmdline smells
Mar 07 13:32:07 <DocScrutinizer05> will most certainly not pan out
Mar 07 13:33:44 <DocScrutinizer05> target fremantle and target harmattan are not exactly compatible
Mar 07 13:41:57 <DocScrutinizer05> Munrek: watercooler gossip has it that Nemein received order from Nokia to take down the tablets-dev site due to "security problems detected on that site". So the stage site on tablets-dev.maemo.org and the content distribution mirror farm of akamai servers that been tabletsdev.noia.com gone down with a cryptic error msg. When migration completed a year ago, your humble techstaff team found a service on maemo.org disabled and did their 
Mar 07 13:41:58 <DocScrutinizer05> best to re-establish it, which eventually it did. Consequently also the tabletsdev.nokia.com site went online again. A while later Nokia went panic that somebody "is distributing content under their name" (SIC!) and so HiFo instructed techstuff to take down that site again
Mar 07 13:42:47 <DocScrutinizer05> go figure: Nokia doesn't know how to shut down a *.nokia.com website
Mar 07 13:43:14 <DocScrutinizer05> so they needed us to shut down the stage where that server farm pulls data from
Mar 07 13:44:23 <DocScrutinizer05> and NOBODY ever explained WHAT that perceived security threat allegedly is, so maemo techstaff had no chance to fix the problem
Mar 07 13:45:20 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like a sub par episode of "the big bang theory" or another silly soap opera. Alas it's reality
Mar 07 13:46:24 <Munrek> omg
Mar 07 13:47:00 <DocScrutinizer05> *allegedly* the security thread is in flasher-3.5 itself, which is even more ridiculous since that flasher is available widespread in a number of standard linux distros
Mar 07 13:47:24 <DocScrutinizer05> threat* 
Mar 07 13:47:34 <Munrek> what is the problem with flasher exactly ?
Mar 07 13:47:45 <DocScrutinizer05> who knows?
Mar 07 13:48:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not even sure I really heard or rather dreamed about that flasher detail
Mar 07 13:49:08 <Munrek> they could have released the code now ...
Mar 07 13:49:47 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe it offers a way to recover data from locked devices which Nokia doesn't want to allow (silly since flasher already is out there), or it has a GPL violation that they want to cover up by not distributing it anymore, or who knows what
Mar 07 13:50:47 <DocScrutinizer05> or you could nuke the N900 hardware, but then again Nokia better had published a fixed version
Mar 07 13:50:52 <Munrek> maybe ... this is a strange story.
Mar 07 13:51:31 <DocScrutinizer05> or it's mere nonsense and the whole security threat is a lame excuse for some comletely different goal they try to achieve
Mar 07 13:52:16 <Munrek> if they try to make us buy some windows phone shit they are aiming the wrong target
Mar 07 13:52:42 <DocScrutinizer05> sure. I don't think that's the reason behind that mess
Mar 07 13:55:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I personally suspect contract related issues with outsourced parts (binaries developed by 3rd party) which Nokia lost permission to distribute when they went M$
Mar 07 13:57:38 <Munrek> well, if they don't forbid us to distribute these images I just don't care
Mar 07 13:58:15 <Munrek> and even if they complain about my mirror i am not sure I will obey
Mar 07 13:58:48 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway most ridiculous detail in all that: nokia themselves still distributes all the binaries via their fire.n.c fileservers, *without* any of that IMEI authentication lock that stopped downloads form tabletsdev for those who don't own a Nokia device
Mar 07 13:59:37 <DocScrutinizer05> Munrek: I am fine with that, and you have my explicit "thank you" for that
Mar 07 14:01:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm just waiting for finally somebody starting a class action case at court against Nokia for stopping support of a device prior to reasonably expectable support period expiry
Mar 07 14:01:34 <Munrek> such an action does not worth the price it has
Mar 07 14:01:59 <DocScrutinizer05> that's btw why your techstaff decided to place "please call your local Nokia customer care. (http://www.nokia.com/support/) " on that site
Mar 07 14:03:16 <DocScrutinizer05> nb that all the content on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ still gets puled from maemo.org stage
Mar 07 14:03:26 <DocScrutinizer05> pulled even
Mar 07 14:03:51 <Munrek> when I could not find any image yesterday I complained to Nokia Care France, they told me they are searching for information, I am waiting to see what they are gonna say
Mar 07 14:04:05 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Mar 07 14:04:09 <DocScrutinizer05> fine!!!
Mar 07 14:06:12 <Munrek> but honestly I think since maemo has been discontinued and since they belong to Crosoft they don't have themselve informations anymore
Mar 07 14:07:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ask HiFo! Our beloved HiFo board doesn't share any info on their negotiations with Nokia about all that
Mar 07 14:08:31 <DocScrutinizer05> not even to council, despite http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council  "Council work: [...] Being able to represent the community to Nokia, especially when dealing with sensitive information; for example, attendance at N900 launch as community reps."
Mar 07 14:08:34 <Munrek> I don't know what exactly is this foundation story, I stopped maemo 2 years ago when my dear N900 died (usb ...)
Mar 07 14:09:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess you don't want to know, really
Mar 07 14:09:34 <Munrek> oh.
Mar 07 14:10:28 <DocScrutinizer05> the story about HiFo is the mother of all tales about an epic failure
Mar 07 14:11:40 <DocScrutinizer05> not that the original concept was completely flawed, but alas the implementation never succeeded
Mar 07 14:12:29 <Munrek> I really do appreciate the efforts you are making to keep maemo alive, but honestly the community is dying slowly whith the N900 hardwares so :'/
Mar 07 14:12:53 <DocScrutinizer05> proof: now HiFo plans to "go suicide" and have their heritage passed to some german e.V.
Mar 07 14:12:55 <Munrek> neo900 could be a realy thing but it's gonna be very expensive
Mar 07 14:13:08 <Munrek> realy good*
Mar 07 14:13:31 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, we can't do much about the price
Mar 07 14:13:59 <DocScrutinizer05> OTOH N900 initial pricetag been 599EUR IIRC
Mar 07 14:14:26 <Munrek> yes I know that consumer electronics are very expensive to product in small qty, there is nothing to do about it
Mar 07 14:14:30 <DocScrutinizer05> we might be able to even beat thet
Mar 07 14:14:43 <DocScrutinizer05> that*
Mar 07 14:15:08 <Munrek> anyway once I'll have enough bucks you can be sure I'll buy one
Mar 07 14:15:30 <DocScrutinizer05> and we aim to maybe a 1/1000 of the sales numbers N900 seen
Mar 07 14:15:55 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe even 1/100000
Mar 07 14:16:07 <Munrek> but I am a student so this kind of investment is just impossible for me at that time
Mar 07 14:16:39 <DocScrutinizer05> well, maemo never targeted the budget market segment
Mar 07 14:18:42 <Munrek> I buyed my N900 from an ebay hong kong store for 180€
Mar 07 14:19:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and you know, my PC I bought a year ago been not only 10 times as fast but also same time half the cost of the one I bought 10 years ago. That's same with all electronics stuff
Mar 07 14:19:55 <DocScrutinizer05> Munrek: I'm not quite sure but odds are that in another 5 years you could get a Neo900 from eBay for same pricetag
Mar 07 14:20:36 <Munrek> I hope you will have that success
Mar 07 14:21:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno if that counts for success
Mar 07 14:21:39 <Munrek> hum why ?
Mar 07 14:22:49 <DocScrutinizer05> you can get virtually everything on fleabay, and usually cheaper than what it the initial slaes price been, particularly when device you buy is used or refurbished. That's not related to any success of the particular product
Mar 07 14:23:48 <Munrek> oh I was not thinking about that
Mar 07 14:24:39 <Munrek> for me if in 5 years there is hong kong stores selling your product this is a real sign of success
Mar 07 14:34:05 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, that's pretty unlikely to happen
Mar 07 14:38:04 <Munrek> DocScrutinizer05: how advanced is the project actually ?
Mar 07 14:38:28 <DocScrutinizer05> we're on our path and in schedule
Mar 07 14:41:02 <DocScrutinizer05> and hoping for a boost by factor 4 from current preorders to final number of devices ordered
Mar 07 15:40:25 <Munrek> DocScrutinizer05: hum I think people will massively buy it when it will be ready and available ... invest into a preorder is much more difficult
Mar 07 15:42:14 <DocScrutinizer05> right
Mar 07 16:07:18 <drathir> ok modules look like works, but still i get something strange... After connect to network that not show at list all the time mostly list of networks is empty but when show and connect after few seconds get disconnected... :/
Mar 07 16:09:48 <drathir> any ideas where search to ? 
Mar 07 16:10:33 <drathir> dmesg get some kind of driver reports beacon loss from AP
Mar 07 16:11:14 <drathir> but router is ok from other devices connect w/o problems
Mar 07 16:11:55 <drathir> n900 power52 kernel
Mar 07 16:18:04 <drathir> Munrek: have You see any other great alternatives to n900/neo900?
Mar 07 16:49:55 <Munrek> drathir: there is Pandora
Mar 07 16:50:24 <Munrek> openpandora.org but this not a phone, this is intended to be a  console
Mar 07 16:53:42 <Munrek> there is also this : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1110385#post1110385
Mar 07 16:54:45 <drathir> Munrek: even arch is possible to run on n900 but isnt optimised to use on that device, but no any other alternative with clean os for now only n900 left...
Mar 07 16:56:42 <drathir> sadly android for me isnt interesting platform i prefer something much more able to control, and android for me have no control...
Mar 07 16:57:30 <Munrek> and you're right, my Nexus 4 has a big hardware and is very nice, but I can't quit this android shit
Mar 07 16:57:55 <Munrek> this is why I am trying to repair my N900
Mar 07 16:57:57 <drathir> maemo is grat in my opinion but really sad that left by nokia...
Mar 07 16:58:44 <Munrek> this was a phone made for geeks, we can be happy that Nokia made this possible :)
Mar 07 16:59:35 <drathir> Munrek: my n900 too wait for repair of usb, but sadly i think need to buy new one because not sure but think i have hw problems with wifi :/ 
Mar 07 17:00:39 <drathir> few sec ago booted arch and there also have problems with connect throught wifi :(
Mar 07 17:03:23 <DocScrutinizer51> wl1251 firmware not happy with some crappy AP
Mar 07 17:03:45 <DocScrutinizer51> try PSM:none
Mar 07 17:03:55 <drathir> if that true what i think its a hw problem thats make me sad...
Mar 07 17:04:16 <DocScrutinizer51> losing beacons isn't a problem in itself yet
Mar 07 17:05:27 <DocScrutinizer51> search tmo for "power saving mode wlan"
Mar 07 17:07:35 <drathir> DocScrutinizer51: ap all time the same and before works w/o problems... only phone lie unused few month because no way to charge battery but now i able to charge battery with nokia c3 if the same battery used...
Mar 07 17:08:20 <drathir> DocScrutinizer51: ok i also try shut down the power save...
Mar 07 17:08:21 <DocScrutinizer51> so problem is new on unchanged setup?
Mar 07 17:09:02 <DocScrutinizer51> what is the problem actually?
Mar 07 17:09:20 <drathir> DocScrutinizer51: sadly yes looks like w/o any changes problems occur that is most scary for me :(
Mar 07 17:10:17 <DocScrutinizer51> indeed strange
Mar 07 17:11:31 <drathir> who know maybe You remember me in past i have too little strange problems with kernel modules but sloved that was with nice picture of red wifi indicator ^^
Mar 07 17:30:15 <drathir> DocScrutinizer51: with power save disabled also the same behaviours no network see at list (but should min 2 network) and after few tryies when show one of them and few tryies to connect when connected stay only few seconds...
Mar 07 17:31:53 <drathir> the more strange for me is that was the same on normal not power kernel too...
Mar 07 17:33:46 <drathir> i think now rather than fix usb port need to collect money for new one n900...
Mar 07 17:39:30 <DocScrutinizer05> drathir: might be poor contact to WLAN/BT antenna
Mar 07 17:40:19 <DocScrutinizer05> cleaning C-süromgs and antenna contact pads might help
Mar 07 17:40:28 <DocScrutinizer05> s/ü/p/
Mar 07 17:40:28 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: cleaning C-spromgs and antenna contact pads might help
Mar 07 17:40:38 <DocScrutinizer05> damn!
Mar 07 17:40:48 <DocScrutinizer05> cleaning C-springs and antenna contact pads might help
Mar 07 17:42:19 <Munrek> holy sh*t, I just remembered my 7 digits lockcode ... yesterday I tried like 50 different codes and I thought I'll need to flash it ><
Mar 07 17:42:43 <Munrek> don't play with lock codes kids ...
Mar 07 17:44:14 <merlin1991> Munrek: well you can recover it with an recovery initird
Mar 07 17:44:44 <merlin1991> search for john the ripper on tmo
Mar 07 17:45:10 <Munrek> this implies a flash, and with my very buggy usb I couldn't tried without fixing it
Mar 07 17:45:23 <merlin1991> doesn't imply flash, only load
Mar 07 17:45:28 <merlin1991> ie rescueos is enough
Mar 07 17:46:10 <Munrek> this is the same, you need to use flasher and usb :)
Mar 07 17:46:42 <merlin1991> that's true :)
Mar 07 17:46:58 <merlin1991> but if it fails nothing from your n900 flash is broken
Mar 07 17:47:34 <Munrek> well maybe, but I don't want to play with things I don't master
Mar 07 17:48:28 <Munrek> when my instinc tell me "do not do that" I better listen to him ... every time I did not I have broken something
Mar 07 17:55:49 <Munrek> hm, why maemo tell me that I need nokia pc suite on my computer to update him ?
Mar 07 17:56:35 <CR0W-> Is there any application that displays all sms messages sorted by date instead of this conversation display?
Mar 07 17:57:28 <CR0W-> Munrek: you can update maemo with a free application called flasher available for Windows, GNU/Linux and OS X.
Mar 07 17:58:00 <Munrek> I have the latest rootfs, this is very weird
Mar 07 17:58:53 <Munrek> there is no need to flash it to update maemo
Mar 07 17:59:50 <CR0W-> Munrek: oh, sorry.
Mar 07 18:14:17 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: thanks that can be good idea... Need to check when battery charged how works close to ap if any diff...  
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