**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 12 02:59:58 2014 Mar 12 06:29:19 > Warning: Those of you familiar with Debian or other similar Linux distributions know that it is very easy to keep the distro up to date by means of the apt-get command. However, there is currently a problem with some of the central Easy Debian apps in the Debian Squeeze repositories (gconf2 in particular). Therefore, it is recommended that for the moment you simply use the image as is. Do not perform a full upgrade (apt-get update is safe, though) when Mar 12 06:29:19 Squeeze (or even Sid) is enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list. This warning will be removed when this issue is resolved. Mar 12 06:29:27 Should I expect this to ever get fixed? Mar 12 08:32:15 hello Mar 12 08:33:37 DocScrutinizer51: my keyboard does not have anymore the blacklight Mar 12 08:34:29 what happened... the light behind my keyboard Mar 12 08:35:48 I rebooted the n900 Mar 12 08:35:56 no way Mar 12 10:39:15 Hi, where can I find any info on default time sync method (used in clock applet)? Only thing I've found reading TMO and BMO is ~/.clockd.conf How can I debug time sync feature? Mar 12 10:40:04 It was working ideally on my first N900, and doesn't seem to work on the second with the same software, SIM and settings Mar 12 10:46:06 running clockd gives "Attempt to remove filter function 0xcca8 user data (nil), but no such filter has been added" Mar 12 10:47:53 both by user and by root Mar 12 10:58:55 moin :) Mar 12 12:33:46 zamm: it's highly unlikely that all 6 kbd backlight LEDs break, but the 3 LEDs in RGB indicator LED still work. All 9 LEDs are controlled via same controller chip Mar 12 12:35:02 zamm: your problem either is with slider magnet which detects kbd open, or with ambient light sensor, or simply with software, particularly MCE Mar 12 12:35:57 hi is there anybody running maemo with root and sd card fs encrypted by cryptsetup ? Mar 12 12:36:02 slider magnet getting loose and lost is a common and known problem - not frequent but still several reports Mar 12 12:36:06 is it even possible ? Mar 12 12:36:49 troulouliou_dev: I think a number of users implemented such setup Mar 12 12:37:34 DocScrutinizer05, cause actually n900 is really unsecure against physical forensic Mar 12 12:37:41 sure Mar 12 12:38:01 it never been designed to deal with this 'threat' Mar 12 12:38:08 well, you bought a device with no restrictions for a reason ;) Mar 12 12:38:08 i would like to enter password for rootfs and then decrypt sd card with a keyfile Mar 12 12:38:37 troulouliou_dev: you'll have to make an initramfs Mar 12 12:38:44 troulouliou_dev: maemo is a pretty normal standard linux system Mar 12 12:38:51 so far, all encryption attempts on N900 encrypt eMMC Mar 12 12:39:34 Hurrian, ok so already good; i can then decrypt sdcrad with a keyfile stored in emmc Mar 12 12:40:01 yes, you can do that too Mar 12 12:40:04 i just wonder if the perfs won't ipact th efeasability Mar 12 12:40:19 impact the feasability Mar 12 12:40:27 troulouliou_dev: when you say "rootfs" what do you mean? it's pretty easy to encrypt homedir. It gets tricky when you want to encrypt even "immutable" files in /bin and initscripts Mar 12 12:40:47 DocScrutinizer05, yes those can stay like thos Mar 12 12:41:10 DocScrutinizer05, i barely remember but those are on a squashfs no ? Mar 12 12:41:16 well, then just follow instructions for standard linux Mar 12 12:41:59 DocScrutinizer05, ok but do you think the performance will be ok ? Mar 12 12:43:19 languageregional applet is broken, how do I list all enabled locales on N900 from CLI? Mar 12 12:43:35 those that can be added with add_remove_language Mar 12 12:44:29 What's the default /etc/locale.gen on N900? Mar 12 12:44:33 dang, gremlins ate my IroN900 system ;-P Mar 12 12:45:21 I've installed locales package trying to debug clockd, run locale-gen and got locales completely broken Mar 12 12:46:12 LOL, 2nd line is *output* Mar 12 12:46:14 IroN900:~# reboot Mar 12 12:46:16 IroN900:~# + [ x6 = x-t ] Mar 12 12:47:13 troulouliou_dev: I don't know about performance, since I never tested that setup Mar 12 12:48:21 easier for me would be to switch to an android phone ; it is not even a money issue but i love that piece of linux phone :) Mar 12 12:48:38 int_ua: locales on maemo are "broken by factory" - all locales are in the cache file only, making for a 20+MB of locale data that can't get edited Mar 12 12:49:20 DocScrutinizer05, should I just delete locales package? Mar 12 12:49:55 DocScrutinizer05, also I remember finding some insctructions on regenerating it Mar 12 12:50:00 int_ua: you can't delete locale package, I dunno what installs that monster 20MB locale.cache(?) Mar 12 12:50:21 DocScrutinizer05, It wasn't installed before this morning even Mar 12 12:50:35 locale_S_ package Mar 12 12:50:39 and afaik the data to regenerate it is missing and not even open source Mar 12 12:50:56 shame on you, Nokia Mar 12 12:52:41 so DocScrutinizer05 if is software matter? Mar 12 12:53:32 IroN900:~# ll /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive Mar 12 12:53:33 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23911920 2010-02-19 11:58 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive Mar 12 12:53:46 ? Mar 12 12:54:08 zamm: this wasn't addressed at you Mar 12 12:54:13 ok Mar 12 12:54:27 zamm: I dunno, you need to do further tests/checks Mar 12 12:54:42 like what? Mar 12 12:55:23 like Mar 12 12:55:23 is buyable neo900? Mar 12 12:55:25 cat sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state Mar 12 12:55:33 mmm ok Mar 12 12:55:34 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 Mar 12 12:55:47 wait I am on cell Mar 12 12:55:57 then don't bother Mar 12 12:56:10 just see the FAQ on neo900.org Mar 12 12:56:48 cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state Mar 12 12:56:52 yep Mar 12 12:57:19 it says open Mar 12 12:57:26 and its' true Mar 12 12:57:42 then no issue with magnet Mar 12 12:58:18 yep also closed Mar 12 12:58:22 works fine Mar 12 12:59:21 so how much to wait for a neo900 please? Mar 12 13:03:32 zamm: sorry? Mar 12 13:03:49 zamm: please rephrase! and meanwhile try Mar 12 13:03:50 for led in $(find /sys -path '*:kb*' -name brightness); do echo 100 >$led; done Mar 12 13:04:03 zamm, it is required to have 1000 donations and actually there is only like 340 ... Mar 12 13:04:35 nope, that's not correct, we are already like 2 months into development Mar 12 13:04:51 it needed 200 device "preorders" Mar 12 13:04:56 DocScrutinizer05, the donations schedule is not impacting the release date ? Mar 12 13:05:08 ha goo dnew :) :) Mar 12 13:05:12 1000 is what allows us do get better offers for sourcing components Mar 12 13:05:37 DocScrutinizer05, but there is all your internal fight going on no ? Mar 12 13:05:45 or is it solved too ? Mar 12 13:06:08 what internal fight? the fight with buerocracy is almost won. No other fights Mar 12 13:06:49 DocScrutinizer05, cool good news then :) Mar 12 13:06:54 next week we will announce a new entity that's dealing with Neo900 project as sole purpose Mar 12 13:06:59 DocScrutinizer05, it may cpom eout in 2014 ? Mar 12 13:07:03 come out Mar 12 13:07:09 that's still the plan Mar 12 13:07:14 late Q3 Mar 12 13:07:29 DocScrutinizer05, btw are you surfing/browsing with your n900 ? Mar 12 13:07:37 occasionally Mar 12 13:07:52 DocScrutinizer05, thats the point cause it is really a pain to use it for surfing Mar 12 13:08:01 all my browsers always hangs/freeze .... Mar 12 13:08:14 well, it's not as smooth as modern devices, yes Mar 12 13:08:31 when i see my wife with its nsa powered android device; sometimes i hesitate .... Mar 12 13:09:02 and web sites tend to be xx MB in size, and bloated with useless flash and JS crap nowadays Mar 12 13:09:46 DocScrutinizer05, maybe playing with the user agent somehow could help Mar 12 13:10:01 might help, indeed Mar 12 13:10:40 most bloated websites have special versions they deliver to mobile devices that get recognized Mar 12 13:10:50 particularly spyPhone Mar 12 13:11:39 but probably also all those android phones. chrome? Mar 12 13:12:17 I guess there must be a pretty easy way to change/define browser ID of microB Mar 12 13:12:43 I never looked into that since it never bothered me Mar 12 13:13:13 zamm: what's the result of for led in $(find /sys -path '*:kb*' -name brightness); do echo 100 >$led; done Mar 12 13:13:34 zamm: your kbd LEDs should flash for a short moment at least Mar 12 13:13:47 zamm: also, does your indicator LED work? Mar 12 13:14:43 zamm: it's not unheard that fcam is messing with the lp5523 LED controller chip so terribly that only removing battery can "fix" it Mar 12 13:15:40 hey Mar 12 13:15:45 wait Mar 12 13:15:50 ok Mar 12 13:16:16 I turn on my notebook so I can do better Mar 12 13:17:43 maybe your find doesn't work all OKish on messybox Mar 12 13:18:03 paste again that Mar 12 13:18:05 please Mar 12 13:18:30 for led in /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb?/brightness; do echo 100 >$led; done Mar 12 13:18:59 included in? Mar 12 13:19:09 sorry? Mar 12 13:19:36 ,--8<- Mar 12 13:19:36 |Nokia-N900:~# /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb?/brightness; do echo 100 >$led; done Mar 12 13:19:36 |-sh: /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb?/brightness: not found Mar 12 13:19:36 |-sh: cannot create : nonexistent directory Mar 12 13:19:36 `-->8- Mar 12 13:19:47 dang Mar 12 13:20:16 ls -l /sys/class/leds/ Mar 12 13:20:36 ,--8<- Mar 12 13:20:36 |Nokia-N900:~# ls -l /sys/class/leds/ Mar 12 13:20:36 |drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Mar 12 14:20 twl4030:vibrator Mar 12 13:20:36 `-->8- Mar 12 13:20:40 http://privatepaste.com/85d27a7789 Mar 12 13:20:48 remove battery! Mar 12 13:20:50 mmm I can use nopaste Mar 12 13:20:54 alright Mar 12 13:21:12 I do like you said Mar 12 13:21:20 make sure you don't use KP<48 Mar 12 13:22:07 KP had some pretty hard fsckup re lp5523 drivers, or rather to that too, as well as to I2C in general Mar 12 13:22:07 what's KP<48? Mar 12 13:22:13 kernel-power Mar 12 13:22:15 whatever I removed battery Mar 12 13:22:28 now is booting Mar 12 13:22:47 as already said: fcam is notorious to "destroy" the lp5523 driver Mar 12 13:23:05 it works Mar 12 13:23:09 leds are ok Mar 12 13:23:12 they are doing some *really* nasty stuff to that poor chip and driver Mar 12 13:23:23 mmm Mar 12 13:23:26 ok Mar 12 13:23:59 fine, so you're back to proper health :-D Mar 12 13:25:34 no idea who and how manages to kill the lp5523 kernel driver that way Mar 12 13:25:52 madprobe lp5523 might help Mar 12 13:25:55 mod* Mar 12 13:26:28 leds_lp5523 actually Mar 12 13:27:01 next time you do a lsmod|grep 5523 Mar 12 13:27:18 and when no module leds_lp5523 loaded, you do modprobe leds_lp5523 Mar 12 13:28:10 then you also might need a stop mce;sleep 2;start mce Mar 12 13:28:28 * DocScrutinizer05 waves Mar 12 13:32:11 wow, busybox find works, at least for the cmdline above. Amazing Mar 12 13:38:23 thanks DocScrutinizer05 for my dummy bores Mar 12 13:46:37 yw! much appreciated to learn what's the everyday issues seen in N900 Mar 12 13:47:18 insufficient memory :) Mar 12 13:47:19 next time I know I'm suggesting lsmod first Mar 12 13:47:51 zGrr: as a reason for leds_lp5523 failing? Mar 12 13:48:23 DocScrutinizer05: oops, sorry. Mar 12 13:48:43 np Mar 12 15:08:04 <_2_Neiva> :-) Mar 12 15:22:08 is online POI search broken in Modrana, or is it just me? Mar 12 15:28:19 search of coords from addr in contacts returns ~1km offset cords in ovi-maps. While search for same street/addr in ovimaps directly works just fine. dunno if it's related Mar 12 15:29:13 definitely something fishy with that stuff Mar 12 15:29:36 DocScrutinizer05: thanks, but it's the POI search that's broken in modrana - things like "bank near my current position" Mar 12 15:29:50 used to give a list and put markers on the map, now nothing Mar 12 15:30:02 will also work with lon/lat coords on *some* level Mar 12 15:30:28 just saying something's bit rotting there Mar 12 15:31:00 I'd expect it to spread across adjacent domains, like POI, dunnowhat Mar 12 15:31:20 yeah i imagine it's a google API change, but it's not inaccurate; it's just absent (no results) Mar 12 15:31:56 i'll write up a bug when i get home; in the mean-time, any suggestions for a POI search program? Mar 12 15:32:10 DocScrutinizer05: you can put in direct co-ordinates in contacts? Mar 12 15:32:27 maybe, I seem to recall that worked Mar 12 15:32:53 I'm using simple street/number, city addr-records in contacts Mar 12 15:33:07 those are clickable since PR13(?) Mar 12 15:33:54 I checked with my PR1.2+ t900 device, and there you can't click addr in contacts Mar 12 15:34:27 yeah, regular address is clickable, but mostly inaccurate. your comment above suggested coordinates are acceptable. that would have been nice at least Mar 12 15:35:14 Sicelo: anyway map search is off-board for ovi-maps, no matter what. So I suspect it's a question of web service functionality what you can search for Mar 12 15:36:10 I heard complaints about Nokia's ovi-maps recently Mar 12 15:36:41 * Sicelo uses only stock Maps on N900, having tried the others.. Mar 12 15:46:14 can anybody recommend a POI search tht Mar 12 15:46:23 currently works? Mar 12 15:54:02 DocScrutinizer05, I got the 3 china N900 before me now Mar 12 15:54:47 the IMEI: numers is 35693803******* Mar 12 15:55:04 and the *#0000# says different things on all of them Mar 12 15:59:05 #1: RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1-DR-205 #2 V 21.2011.38-1 #3V 21.2011.38-1.004 Mar 12 15:59:45 My original says V 21.2011.38-1 Mar 12 16:23:52 all of them have a file named /dev/mtd1 but I have no idea how to see any information in them Mar 12 16:25:35 all of them also vas delivered with 4GB sd cards containgen a folder stryckture but no files Mar 12 16:31:31 just fyi; once a sd card is inserted into a n900, the standard folder structure is created Mar 12 16:36:54 aha. that explains that. what do the different *#0000# information signify? Mar 12 16:37:14 Agge: cat /dev/mtd1|strings Mar 12 16:37:44 Agge: +#0000# is about cmt firmware version aiui Mar 12 16:38:02 First one is pr1.0, second one is pr1.3.1 and third is pr1.3.1 of a different region if i am not wrong Mar 12 16:38:15 yep Mar 12 16:38:53 damn sure you should do a full reflash on all three Mar 12 16:39:29 will also reveal any elementary problems in hw Mar 12 16:39:43 ~flashing Mar 12 16:39:44 extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 12 16:39:51 of course :) Mar 12 16:39:51 ~pr131 Mar 12 16:39:52 somebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Mar 12 16:39:57 ~emmc Mar 12 16:39:57 rumour has it, emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 12 16:40:20 ~flasher Mar 12 16:40:21 it has been said that flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Mar 12 16:41:36 how do I do a | on a N900? Mar 12 16:41:54 blue-ctrl Mar 12 16:42:11 thansk Mar 12 16:42:14 yw Mar 12 16:43:21 ooh, and you probably only should use /dev/mtd1ro ever Mar 12 16:43:24 get permission dinided on the cat /dev/mtd1|strings need to fix sudo Mar 12 16:44:12 and get "strings: not found Mar 12 16:44:19 not that *ro is of more liberal permissions Mar 12 16:44:29 hmm Mar 12 16:44:52 IroN900:~# strings --version Mar 12 16:44:54 GNU strings (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.18.50.20070820 Mar 12 16:45:33 ~jrtools Mar 12 16:45:33 jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Mar 12 16:46:10 http://maemo.org/packages/view/binutils/ Mar 12 16:48:13 * DocScrutinizer05 frowns at tools lib dust. That stuff could use an update Mar 12 16:48:31 s/ lib / repo / Mar 12 16:48:45 ~ping Mar 12 16:48:46 ~pong Mar 12 16:49:03 s/lib/repo/ Mar 12 16:49:08 wtf? Mar 12 16:49:15 s/w/x/ Mar 12 16:49:16 DocScrutinizer05 meant: xtf? Mar 12 16:49:27 ooh, same old catch Mar 12 16:55:03 DocScrutinizer05, anything simular to strings that i can use? Mar 12 16:55:15 or can i install it easy? Mar 12 16:55:19 apt-get install binutils Mar 12 16:56:00 get tools repo enabled for that. Disable afterwords. Manage repos (aka catalogs) in HAM! Mar 12 16:56:34 clicking link in ~jrtools will configure tools repo for you, using HAM Mar 12 16:57:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#Additional_Repositories Mar 12 16:57:37 got strings installed. now I am thinking about a good way to pastbin it Mar 12 16:58:23 hmm pastebinit is always broken when I try to get latest version Mar 12 16:59:42 anyway pastebinit is a python(?) script, just find the newest shiniest version of it and copy the script to N900's /usr/local/bin, chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/pastebinit Mar 12 17:00:34 sometimes a cat|netcat paste.debian.net 1234 worked Mar 12 17:01:29 but I guess it got abused a lot and they stopped that finally. And netcat also not available per standard Mar 12 17:03:00 Agge: anyway nobody really wants to read the whole noise from a cat /dev/mtd1ro|strings Mar 12 17:03:33 try cat /dev/mtd1ro|strings|less, then search through it for interesting stuff Mar 12 17:04:26 http://pastebin.com/kmCYSCyH Mar 12 17:04:30 for one fo the phones Mar 12 17:04:35 there are things like software versions of the flash-events the device seen, IMEI, BT mac, locale, kbd default layout, etc pp Mar 12 17:06:09 the CAL "filesystem" keeps old records usually, so you see a lot of duplicates Mar 12 17:06:57 I asume that this line "wRX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.UK-IRELAND" is that it was original sold in irland Mar 12 17:07:30 ConF is record delimiter, then key, then some garbage (actually version number of record) then value Mar 12 17:07:44 yes, probably Mar 12 17:07:58 lock_code Mar 12 17:07:59 12345 Mar 12 17:08:02 or at least configured to get sold in Ireland Mar 12 17:08:07 yes, default Mar 12 17:08:38 what? I thoughth it's hash that is suppoed to be there Mar 12 17:08:41 once you change that, it has the hash of true lockcode instead Mar 12 17:08:50 huh Mar 12 17:08:56 12345 means "virgin" Mar 12 17:09:36 nobody ever changed the lockcode (unless there are further lockcode records in cal) Mar 12 17:10:35 when libcal searches for e.g. lockcode, it reads whole mtd1 and searches for the lockcode record with highest version number Mar 12 17:11:13 So it may be not the last one? Mar 12 17:11:40 yes, it *might* be any of the records with key "lockcode" Mar 12 17:11:53 but usually it's the last one Mar 12 17:12:20 unless it is in some other file it is just that one Mar 12 17:12:25 cal just appends new records, until the mtd1 is full Mar 12 17:13:00 nobody knows for sure what libcal does when mtd1 is full Mar 12 17:13:21 it's supposed to clean up some erase pages Mar 12 17:13:41 or maybe it does a complete mtd1 rewrite Mar 12 17:13:44 who knows Mar 12 17:14:02 I don't have time to check the /dev/mtd1ro on the other phones right now but I will check it later today Mar 12 17:14:36 so all three devices seem to work? Mar 12 17:14:46 yes Mar 12 17:14:53 how much they were? Mar 12 17:15:15 and where did you buy? Mar 12 17:15:55 one of them had no power in the battery Mar 12 17:15:56 http://www.ebay.com/itm/271334934905 Mar 12 17:16:12 ohwell, empty battery is a minor "sin" Mar 12 17:16:17 135$ + shipping Mar 12 17:16:26 fair Mar 12 17:17:19 got a little less on shipping becose I ordered 3 but import tax aite that Mar 12 17:17:24 what package, which accessories? Mar 12 17:17:54 had some problem geting the seller to understand that I dindent want him to send it with UPS Mar 12 17:18:23 blue box with charger,usb cabel and hedphones Mar 12 17:18:29 mhm Mar 12 17:18:34 usual Mar 12 17:18:50 all exept the charger looks like it should Mar 12 17:19:05 charger a noname? Mar 12 17:19:31 nope it is marked nokia but it is not the same as the origilan N900 got dileverd with Mar 12 17:19:40 hmm Mar 12 17:19:49 prolly no problem Mar 12 17:20:45 is the digitizer original? Mar 12 17:21:09 A other person that ordered one himself got his in a black box that lookes like the original box but made from corogated paper instad of just thick paper Mar 12 17:21:16 digitizer? Mar 12 17:21:28 or can you detect any tiny differences, e.g. in the "N900" silver printing Mar 12 17:21:40 the "touchscreen" Mar 12 17:22:24 the nokia mark on the front is allot smaler font and allot less silver Mar 12 17:22:37 mhm, fake Mar 12 17:22:55 ooh, the NOKIA mark Mar 12 17:23:00 well that's frame Mar 12 17:23:19 the original is white afaik Mar 12 17:23:33 I'd call it white Mar 12 17:23:56 the "N900" silver printin on right upper corner Mar 12 17:24:24 almost Mar 12 17:24:26 https://www.dropbox.com/s/o9gxd8uxjnehsih/2014-03-12%2018.22.54.jpg Mar 12 17:24:37 picture of both of them Mar 12 17:24:49 both an original and a new Mar 12 17:25:20 the lower one has "N900" covered by a sticker Mar 12 17:25:59 yeah it is as good as identical as on the original Mar 12 17:26:10 A new one is covered with the sticker with QR code on it. Mar 12 17:26:26 lower one has a nasty screen protector foil applied Mar 12 17:27:08 makes me think they tried to cover some scratches in original digitizer Mar 12 17:27:32 ooh, upper one also has a screen protector foil Mar 12 17:28:28 afk, bbl Mar 12 17:28:32 nope no scratches unless they are extremly thiny Mar 12 17:28:38 gtg bbl Mar 12 17:37:37 maybe the china phone is refurbisched? Mar 12 17:37:51 ... in china Mar 12 17:38:05 most probably it is Mar 12 18:52:22 Does anyone else has problems with Maemo Wiki's CSS looking broken (i.e. it does not seem to load)? I already tried both firefox and chrome, and same problem happens... Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/vALNhAS.png Mar 12 18:53:06 (note that the top left logo also looks broken... and the page takes several seconds to load) Mar 12 18:55:52 probably trouble in servers. I'm not supposed to take care anymore, please pester HiFo Mar 12 18:58:08 since they are so eager to take care of server maintenance and think my job is done, go pester them Mar 12 18:58:27 sorry Mar 12 18:58:32 DocScrutinizer05: actually I had these problems for several months , but never bothered to ask (as I'm not using the wiki as much as I used to be, so I kept forgetting Mar 12 18:59:09 ooh, then you probably have a browser that gets hickup due to the redirect for static.maemo.org Mar 12 19:01:02 DocScrutinizer05: I tried both firefox and chrome, same problem in both. I ask if anyone else is having similar problems, because if it is only me, I might trace to some caching issue on my network Mar 12 19:01:22 DocScrutinizer05: but indeed I have problems with accessing static.maemo.org Mar 12 19:01:25 works for me Mar 12 19:01:50 static.maemo.org is a reditrect to maemo.org:81 Mar 12 19:02:06 DocScrutinizer05: now I see (with wget)... that's the problem :) Mar 12 19:02:11 some firewalls or browsers get hickup on that Mar 12 19:02:22 DocScrutinizer05: I need to ask TI to allow this port for me Mar 12 19:02:27 yep Mar 12 19:02:32 IT* Mar 12 19:03:13 borkage done during consolidation Mar 12 19:03:29 we had no free IP for static.maemo.org Mar 12 19:05:22 sorry for the inconvenience Mar 12 19:13:49 lizardo: if your IT dude starts bitching about idiocy in maemo.org, suggest to him (her?) to join maemo techstaff team to sanitize the situation ;-) Mar 12 19:24:55 meh., scratch that. according to HiFo my job "got accomplished", so I wouldn't know to tell you whom this guy/gal should talk to, to find the way to techstaff and the maemo infra Mar 12 19:29:09 I'm so fed up with HiFo completely detached from infra maintenance and orga and not a single idea of any detail how stuff works (both technically and organizational), but yet trying to restructure stuff Mar 12 19:31:45 and main promotor of that movement ignored simplest rules of techstaff team like constant availability in maintenance channel and never ever organizing relevant topics in any other (particularly no closed) channels, or finding a stand-in when he's not available, despite counting himself for techstaff member Mar 12 19:32:46 now accusimg *me* to run a one-man-show on maemo infra Mar 12 19:34:41 kindergarden Mar 12 19:45:23 DocScrutinizer05: that no wifi what i check should be connected with antenna when i come close to router signal is little stronger and stable... Mar 12 19:56:00 drathir: cleaning C-springs and antenna contact pads should help Mar 12 19:57:53 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/12/plasma-desktopUt3389.png Mar 12 19:59:53 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/12/plasma-desktophW3389.png Mar 12 20:01:29 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/12/plasma-desktopCI3389.png Mar 12 20:03:18 DocScrutinizer05: thanks a lot i need to try that when i have a little free time i hope that help... Mar 12 20:03:52 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140312_002.jpg Mar 12 20:04:58 drathir: note that also the test jack X6301 might have a bad contact Mar 12 20:05:40 carefully inserting a paperclip with not too much force might wipe any oxides and dirt off the switch in that jack Mar 12 20:07:23 X6301 is roughly opposite side of the C-springs Mar 12 20:26:44 that paperclip wire has to be pretty thin, check X6301 with a magnifier glass to get an idea Mar 12 20:48:49 btw re HiFo: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2014-03-11.log.html#t2014-03-11T22:14:34 for a quote of said techstaff member, HiFo maber, and jyes, even member of that "fucking council" Mar 12 20:49:58 sounds symptomatic for HiFo's take on council Mar 12 21:08:24 DocScrutinizer05, we adjusted the Association Rules as you requested Mar 12 21:08:26 also seems like there's a general idea in HiFo that HiFo should *control* council Mar 12 21:08:48 nope, why would that be? Mar 12 21:09:23 And who do you mean by "HiFo" - the e.V. or the board? Mar 12 21:10:57 I mean you, whoever you are. And now you make it on my ignore list. I don't need unprovoked insults Mar 12 21:10:57 sup Mar 12 21:11:21 hahaha old good Doc :) Mar 12 21:11:28 DocScrutinizer05: sup Mar 12 21:12:12 ZogG_laptop: business as usual. IOW I'm going to ignore all that maemo mess even more than I was able to do during last 8 weeks Mar 12 21:16:06 DocScrutinizer05: it was upsetting see you fightig on list. do not take it close to your heart man Mar 12 21:19:03 nah, i'm almost done with that shit. I had an idea of a council elected by community to handle community's interestes in a democratic manner, as humble steward of maemo community. And a techstaff that handles technical aspects according to what council instructs to the abstarct techstaff entity. I did my best to establish that and thought I finally achived on my part, when HiFo comes and wrecks it for no good reason Mar 12 21:19:08 DocScrutinizer05: btw is neo900 related to maemo/hifo and so on or it's idependednt project? Mar 12 21:20:12 it's an independent project, though HiFo even questions that Mar 12 21:21:51 one fool bashing me in conversations with others for stating that Neo900 is NOT related to maemo or council or HiFo, while other fool publicly argues Neo900 could create legal impact to HiFo. Oh My GOD Mar 12 21:24:11 the one fool blaming me in same conversation for allegedly keeping the Neo900 company as a secret, while on other channels I get bashing for disclosing too many facts beforehand of that company to get founded soon Mar 12 21:25:14 too much of a kindergarden full of crying envy kids Mar 12 21:49:27 mentioning "no closed channels" is funny when hiding discussions and work in ##maemo-admin... Mar 12 21:55:53 ##maemo-admin is THE channel for ALL techstaff to communicate *in the open* of techstaff crew Mar 12 21:56:33 not only techstaff but even council and yes even HiFo Mar 12 21:57:35 you can't expect security threats getting discussed and defeated in #maemo, eh? Mar 12 21:58:13 we even have community visitors there, e.g. Pali Mar 12 21:58:56 techstaff@maemo.org is an alternative "open" channel which you refused to deal with. A pity Mar 12 21:59:47 anyway, when you got criticism, I hope you also have suggestions. Come up with them! how to do it better? I'm listening Mar 12 22:00:15 if there was something secret to discuss, sure. Mar 12 22:00:20 I gave up joining ##maemo-admin - too much hassle (access restriction) to set up. Mar 12 22:00:54 I didn't "refuse to deal with". I asked to unsubscribe me because 0 emails were interesting to me. Mar 12 22:00:58 ok, thanks for this helpful contribution Mar 12 22:01:09 You're welcome. Always happy to remind of more openness. Mar 12 22:01:11 afk Mar 12 22:02:02 I wonder how many "security threads" were actually discussed. And how much stuff in private that could have easily been in public. But that's the normal problem with closed channels... Mar 12 22:02:47 you should know that every single IP of a user, every single email alias or address is stuff that mustn't get disclosed to the public Mar 12 22:03:19 thus admin channels are not public Mar 12 22:05:27 anyway since you refer to something I posted where I referred to how HiFo handled stuff in an unacceptable intolerable way: I wouldn't have had any objections when HiFo had discussed new backup server in #maemo. I would have been happy to see it getting discussed here Mar 12 22:05:35 now afk for good Mar 12 22:30:40 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Mar 12 22:33:47 DocScrutinizer05, one of the phones have an app named "candle" and one named "Crazy hamster Li" on it even after a factory reset Mar 12 22:53:23 Agge: forget factory reset, do a full reflash! Mar 12 22:54:28 DocScrutinizer05, I am goning to let my friends do that tomorow right now I am just checking the /dev/mtd1 on the reminding phones Mar 12 23:21:00 factory reset doesn't do anything sensible, iirc Mar 12 23:24:05 one of the phones looks like it was suposed to be sold in india and the third dont have the special symbol keybord Mar 12 23:39:57