**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 24 02:59:58 2014 Apr 24 08:15:36 A wonderful splendid fine Morning (UGT) on this gorgeous Prickle-Prickle! Apr 24 15:47:19 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Apr 24 15:56:53 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Apr 24 17:03:40 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Apr 24 18:47:43 how can i upgrade my Nokia N900 with v21.2011.38-1 firmare? Apr 24 18:54:03 wizbit: which version you have currently installed? Apr 24 19:02:50 freemangordon: Maemo 5 10.2010.19-1 Apr 24 19:03:26 wizbit: change the year in clock-ui to 2009, start HAM and click update Apr 24 19:03:29 ~ham Apr 24 19:03:30 methinks ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does Apr 24 19:03:57 wizbit: the other option is to flash Apr 24 19:04:28 freemangordon: so i dont need to flash at all? just do it from software update HAM? Apr 24 19:04:34 yep Apr 24 19:04:37 ace Apr 24 19:04:48 is that the application manager in settings? Apr 24 19:05:13 changing the year is because of the expired Nokia certificates Apr 24 19:05:17 or is HAM a 3rd party app manager? Apr 24 19:05:21 in settings? Apr 24 19:05:39 i found 'App manager' in settings Apr 24 19:05:49 is that the tool i should be using? Apr 24 19:06:03 this is not "settings", but applications, however, this is what you have to run Apr 24 19:06:17 yep, that is the tool Apr 24 19:06:27 ace ill set the date now to 2009 Apr 24 19:06:37 the "settings" is the wrench in the "applications" :) Apr 24 19:07:14 ok phone set to April 24th 2009 Apr 24 19:07:20 good Apr 24 19:07:23 now start HAM Apr 24 19:07:51 and have a beer(coffee, tee), whatever you want Apr 24 19:07:56 it takes some time Apr 24 19:08:00 :) Apr 24 19:08:26 i selected App manager and my screen says Apr 24 19:08:41 'Uninstall Download Update' Apr 24 19:08:54 click "Update" Apr 24 19:08:57 do i need to edit any repo settings before i update? Apr 24 19:09:13 I guess no, if you haven't messed them up Apr 24 19:09:34 i havent touched anything so ill click update :) Apr 24 19:09:41 :nod: Apr 24 19:09:52 it says (no updates available) Apr 24 19:09:58 give it some time Apr 24 19:10:03 ok Apr 24 19:10:08 about 3-5 minutes Apr 24 19:10:24 if there are still no updates, click on the menu and select "refresh" Apr 24 19:10:36 i better plug this beast in :) Apr 24 19:10:42 yeah Apr 24 19:10:48 you'll need that anyway Apr 24 19:11:02 wow Apr 24 19:11:07 it says maemo 5 security update Apr 24 19:11:15 see :P Apr 24 19:11:16 ill click that Apr 24 19:11:19 yeah Apr 24 19:11:38 wizbit: anyway, I'd recommend you to install CSSU Apr 24 19:11:41 excellent :D Apr 24 19:11:57 as 38-1 breaks A-GPS Apr 24 19:12:12 ~cssu Apr 24 19:12:13 [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Apr 24 19:12:34 shall i continue what im doing now and do that after? Apr 24 19:12:41 sure Apr 24 19:13:08 do i need to flash it to get cssu on it? Apr 24 19:13:14 having 38-1 installed won't break CSSU installation Apr 24 19:13:17 no Apr 24 19:13:27 it is againOTA Apr 24 19:13:32 awesome, i could of bricked it if i didnt speak to you :) Apr 24 19:13:33 ~ota Apr 24 19:13:34 it has been said that ota is ssu Apr 24 19:13:44 ill follow what you say Apr 24 19:13:59 wizbit: it is not that easy to brick n900, if possible at all :) Apr 24 19:14:25 this is my first smartphone, after researching this seems the best around Apr 24 19:14:46 hmm, no, you're wrong, n900 is not a smartphone ;) Apr 24 19:14:57 its a computer :D Apr 24 19:15:02 exactly Apr 24 19:15:05 :) Apr 24 19:15:16 is it possible to run ssh server on it so i can ssh into it? Apr 24 19:15:20 sure Apr 24 19:15:24 wow :D Apr 24 19:15:32 just install openssh from the repos Apr 24 19:15:57 simple as apt-get install openssh-server? Apr 24 19:16:06 you'd better use ham Apr 24 19:16:10 ok Apr 24 19:16:33 I know, it is slow, but it does more than what apt-get does Apr 24 19:16:44 doesnt matter Apr 24 19:17:12 hm ? Apr 24 19:17:13 once you're a bit of experienced with maemo, you can apt-get as well Apr 24 19:17:20 google shows lots of people 'weaponizing' the n900, should i avoid things like that? Apr 24 19:17:28 wizbit: hmm? Apr 24 19:17:29 and use clean repos instead Apr 24 19:17:50 people offer sets of packages for download from various sources Apr 24 19:17:50 WTF is 'weaponizing' supposed to mean Apr 24 19:17:54 im not sure Apr 24 19:18:34 you'd better stick to the 'official' repos, I bet you can find there everything you'll need Apr 24 19:18:42 i sure will Apr 24 19:19:01 google doesnt show the correct advice sometimes Apr 24 19:19:02 freemangordon: loading it up with pen test stuff maybe? Apr 24 19:19:23 isn't that a different firmware? Apr 24 19:19:32 could be Apr 24 19:19:35 * Tekk_ is just guessing Apr 24 19:19:41 me too Apr 24 19:19:49 (the firmware part) Apr 24 19:20:35 Tekk_: but AFAIK the only thing that is useful and is not in the extras/cssu repos is thumbified OMP Apr 24 19:20:52 and Pali's bme replacement Apr 24 19:21:43 bme? Apr 24 19:21:47 ~bme Apr 24 19:21:50 bme is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME Apr 24 19:22:11 ah Apr 24 19:24:04 wizbit: how it's going on? Apr 24 19:24:48 freemangordon: bar going across, says its updating to 21.2011.38-1 Apr 24 19:24:56 good Apr 24 19:25:37 i will do the CSSU update after :) Apr 24 19:25:56 then install some stuff like maybe BASH4 and ssh server Apr 24 19:26:02 if they are on repo Apr 24 19:26:09 wizbit: I'd recommend you to install cssu-thumb, but I am biased :) Apr 24 19:26:17 ok ill test that out, what is it Apr 24 19:26:21 ~cssu-thumb Apr 24 19:26:22 well, cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb Apr 24 19:26:59 right, so it will make things run smoother Apr 24 19:27:06 yep Apr 24 19:27:15 i sure will install it Apr 24 19:27:31 wizbit: also, move your swap partition to uSD Apr 24 19:27:44 it makes lots of a difference Apr 24 19:27:47 ok Apr 24 19:28:02 and... Apr 24 19:28:17 soon i will be able to ssh into my box and launch a screen session right from the phone Apr 24 19:28:27 tweak IO scheduler a bit, I'll pastebin my settings Apr 24 19:28:28 ~literal cssu-thumb Apr 24 19:28:28 "cssu-thumb" is " [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb" Apr 24 19:29:07 infobot: no, cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb Apr 24 19:29:07 DocScrutinizer05: okay Apr 24 19:30:51 wizbit: http://pastebin.com/PgryaYts Apr 24 19:31:11 make sure to swapon the correct uSD swap partition :) Apr 24 19:31:16 if you decide to use that Apr 24 19:31:29 freemangordon: phone just rebooted :D Apr 24 19:31:36 pray :P Apr 24 19:32:01 back up :D Apr 24 19:32:06 good Apr 24 19:32:08 ill see what version it says now Apr 24 19:32:22 however, /me gtg Apr 24 19:32:27 hight Apr 24 19:32:55 updated successfully :D Apr 24 19:33:13 ill do the CSSU update when your around next Apr 24 19:33:18 if you dont mind Apr 24 19:34:04 wizbit: you don;t really need me Apr 24 19:34:10 just follow the instructions Apr 24 19:34:31 ~cssu Apr 24 19:34:32 it has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Apr 24 19:34:34 or Apr 24 19:34:38 ~cssu-thumb Apr 24 19:34:39 i guess cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb Apr 24 19:35:05 ace ok Apr 24 19:35:09 thanks for your help :D Apr 24 19:36:14 I suggest to install BM!! Apr 24 19:36:23 and *use* it! Apr 24 19:36:51 i will use stable CSSU not testing Apr 24 19:38:31 DocScrutinizer05: what is BM? Apr 24 19:39:14 freemangordon: honestly!!!! shame on you! >>/sbin/swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3 && /sbin/swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3<< Apr 24 19:39:26 ~bm Apr 24 19:39:27 backupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Apr 24 19:39:52 good thinking Apr 24 19:40:33 DocScrutinizer05: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU BM is no.1 in the docs Apr 24 19:40:49 yes, I put it there :-) Apr 24 19:41:02 heh Apr 24 19:41:31 DocScrutinizer05: do i need to edit my repo before i can download BM? Apr 24 19:41:40 i havent touched any of the settings on my phone so far Apr 24 19:41:52 probably Apr 24 19:42:34 or click http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install Apr 24 19:42:41 see Apr 24 19:42:45 ~jrtools Apr 24 19:42:45 hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Apr 24 19:43:08 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#Additional_Repositories Apr 24 19:44:14 disable test immediately in HAM "catalogs" Apr 24 19:44:42 after you installed what you wanted, DISABLE extras-devel!!! Apr 24 19:45:03 NEVER run an "update all" when extras-devel is enabled Apr 24 19:45:05 ok Apr 24 19:45:22 ill type this on the n900 browser : http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install Apr 24 19:45:27 then disable what you said Apr 24 19:45:34 go ahead Apr 24 19:46:04 you can type http://maemo.cloud-7.de the click on repositories.install Apr 24 19:46:19 DocScrutinizer05: hmm? Apr 24 19:46:20 ok Apr 24 19:46:32 what is wrong with my swapoff/on? Apr 24 19:46:40 missin && Apr 24 19:46:55 oh, i see Apr 24 19:47:20 anyway, it is like that for the last 3 years or so Apr 24 19:47:27 nfc if friggin uostart knows && Apr 24 19:47:32 so I don;t think it is much of a problem Apr 24 19:47:36 upstart Apr 24 19:47:43 yes, it knows it Apr 24 19:47:52 well, it knows || Apr 24 19:47:55 it IS a problem for those who lack the partition on uSD Apr 24 19:48:02 so I guess it knows && as well Apr 24 19:48:09 :nod: Apr 24 19:48:24 oh, wait, this is *mine* script :P Apr 24 19:48:37 DocScrutinizer05: clicked on repositories.install it added the repos and it checking for updates ( i wont install any updates yet) Apr 24 19:48:37 or *my*? Apr 24 19:48:53 not a showstopper class of problem, since you'd be amazed how well HD handles RAM shortage Apr 24 19:50:04 wizbit: good. click on "install", on "all" then type "backup" on kbd Apr 24 19:50:43 if nothing got messed up during last years, you shall see "backup-menu" app among others in the selection Apr 24 19:52:31 wizbit: you'll notice HAM taking *ages* when extras-devel catalog/repo got enabled Apr 24 19:52:41 give it 15min of time to comlete Apr 24 19:53:02 ~ham Apr 24 19:53:03 hmm... ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does Apr 24 19:53:05 DocScrutinizer05: i am in the catalogues screen, and i think its waiting to update Apr 24 19:53:37 what are you up to do? Apr 24 19:53:53 dosable extras-testing? Apr 24 19:53:58 dis* Apr 24 19:54:05 DocScrutinizer05: i am in App manager > catalogues as i thought you need to disable some repos first? Apr 24 19:54:25 find extras-testing, click on it Apr 24 19:54:43 it says Apr 24 19:54:53 Maemo Extras-DEVEL Apr 24 19:54:55 checkmark "disable" Apr 24 19:55:02 yes, that one Apr 24 19:55:06 ok Apr 24 19:55:08 err nope Apr 24 19:55:11 stop Apr 24 19:55:21 maemo-extras-TESTING Apr 24 19:55:40 ok ill disable that one instead Apr 24 19:56:02 should i disable developers tools (**DOOM!**) Apr 24 19:56:09 later Apr 24 19:56:24 so at the moment i have this: Apr 24 19:56:54 please don't past all catalogs you got. It's most likely ok anyway Apr 24 19:57:07 Maemo Extras-DEVEL - ENABLED Maemo Extras-TESTING - DISABLED developers tools - ENABLED Apr 24 19:57:19 just close catalogs menu (click into blurred area) Apr 24 19:57:35 ok its checking for updates now Apr 24 19:57:40 :nod: Apr 24 19:58:15 right finished Apr 24 19:58:22 will take a while, then you click "download" or "install" or whatever the middle one is called Apr 24 19:58:27 ok Apr 24 19:58:37 click "all" upper left Apr 24 19:58:57 type "backup" Apr 24 19:59:03 screen has gone black at the moment Apr 24 19:59:14 np, will take a while Apr 24 19:59:16 maybe its updating something Apr 24 19:59:27 yes, it takes AGES Apr 24 20:00:50 ctrl+backspace on kbd will allow you to swap to another task to do something more funny while HAM works Apr 24 20:01:15 ok :) Apr 24 20:01:23 right its finished Apr 24 20:01:36 gonna click all Apr 24 20:01:56 while you're at it, after installing BM you could straight proceed to installing openSSH(server+client) Apr 24 20:02:10 found backup menu :D Apr 24 20:02:17 excellent Apr 24 20:02:49 and load applet, simple brightness applet Apr 24 20:03:51 then disable maemo-extras-devel and close HAM Apr 24 20:03:54 install 'applet' ? Apr 24 20:04:11 install "load applet" Apr 24 20:04:14 ok Apr 24 20:04:51 install "Simple Brightness Applet" Apr 24 20:04:53 should i install openssh after CSSU or doesnt that make a difference? Apr 24 20:05:01 no diff Apr 24 20:05:47 so rather install it right away, an option to open a shell session to phone from PC is invaluable Apr 24 20:07:08 good diea Apr 24 20:07:09 idea Apr 24 20:07:22 right going to install Simple Brightness Applet now Apr 24 20:07:27 if you think a shell should be confortable, get bash3 Apr 24 20:08:26 i am comfortable with shell Apr 24 20:08:30 and diffutils-gnu, since messybox diff sucks donkeyballs Apr 24 20:08:42 simple brightness app installed, time for openssh server Apr 24 20:08:51 ~messybox Apr 24 20:08:51 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Apr 24 20:10:18 you got load applet? I consider it indispensable since it gives you an instant idea *why* your device is slow, or eating battery Apr 24 20:10:39 nope will install that next Apr 24 20:10:49 waiting for app list to pop up again Apr 24 20:10:59 it's a tiny CPU load and memusage display in systray Apr 24 20:11:19 installing :) Apr 24 20:11:53 is messybox bash3 ? Apr 24 20:12:11 or a fork of it Apr 24 20:12:53 AFAIK Upstart will ignore the whole file if there was no 1p3 to swap to. Apr 24 20:13:02 after your're done with all that (and didn't forget your root password you've set while installing openSSH), it's time to disable extras-devel and extras-testing and tools repo, then quit HAM, wait 2 minutes (HAM takes time, even to properly quit), then reboot with kbd slide open, to enter BM and do a backup already Apr 24 20:13:10 upstart runs everything with -e Apr 24 20:13:45 messybox is ... messy err busybox. Bash3 is bash, a proper interactive shell Apr 24 20:14:12 maemo is cursed with busybox in stock config Apr 24 20:14:49 but you can start a *decent* shell in xterm by simply typing "bash" Apr 24 20:14:54 should i install dropbear ssh server Apr 24 20:14:59 no Apr 24 20:15:06 openssh is not listed Apr 24 20:15:10 maybe i typed it wrong Apr 24 20:15:26 OpenSSH Apr 24 20:16:08 found it :D Apr 24 20:16:40 bbl, cya Apr 24 20:17:12 thanks for help :D Apr 24 20:17:12 ooh, and welcome to the maemo universe. I'm 100% sure you'll fall in love Apr 24 20:17:42 i already am :D Apr 24 20:19:33 just keep in mind maemo is not exactly debian. Particularly never trus apt or any other installer than HAM. Ask here if you wanna do sth with apt-get on cmdline! Apr 24 20:20:18 l8r Apr 24 20:26:40 wizbit: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-04-22.log.html#t2014-04-22T16:02:13 Apr 24 20:27:23 https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-04-22.log.html#t2014-04-22T21:20:36 ff Apr 24 21:02:54 excellent CSSU installed :D Apr 24 21:39:06 good Apr 24 21:44:25 DocScrutinizer05: its awesome Apr 24 21:44:32 installed D-theme night Apr 24 21:44:45 DocScrutinizer05: do you use the built in browser or another Apr 24 21:45:04 and also, the only problem i have with the n900 is when scrolling up and down using touch screen Apr 24 21:45:26 i keep on selecting things by mistake, can the keyboard be used to scroll up and down, the arrow keys dont seem to do anything Apr 24 21:47:12 you mean in browser? Apr 24 21:47:57 yes Apr 24 21:48:12 and if i go to applictions, and scroll down, i keep on hitting a app by mistake Apr 24 21:48:35 i just ssh'd into it Apr 24 21:48:41 try space and shift+space Apr 24 21:48:45 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown Apr 24 21:48:49 like pgdn/pgup Apr 24 21:48:55 ok Apr 24 21:49:38 I find that during load it's good to keep the finger down a bit longer before ending gesture Apr 24 21:50:00 so it doesn't take a tap out of it Apr 24 21:50:02 ok Apr 24 21:50:24 ace, space works good in the browser :) Apr 24 21:51:33 there are also quite a few more shortcuts for various things http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures Apr 24 21:51:54 thanks Apr 24 21:57:29 joga: what browser do you use Apr 24 21:58:05 the built in one seems fine, but maybe people use different ones for various reasons Apr 24 22:08:38 HAM doesnt show wget Apr 24 22:08:46 can i install it via apt-get install wget? Apr 24 22:10:24 yes Apr 24 22:10:53 how comes HAM doesnt show it ? Apr 24 22:11:35 im not sure Apr 24 22:12:31 lets see if HAM shows vim Apr 24 22:13:37 some pkgs are not on user group (mainly libs) Apr 24 22:13:50 vim is in ham Apr 24 22:13:56 HAM only shows user group Apr 24 22:14:44 and mplayer :D Apr 24 22:14:53 awesome Apr 24 22:14:57 I use microB (builtin browser) Apr 24 22:15:25 yep that seems quite nice, is it secure? Apr 24 22:15:43 most stuff is safe to apt-get install. Some is NOT Apr 24 22:16:13 well, secure enough I guess Apr 24 22:16:24 ace Apr 24 22:16:32 (browser) Apr 24 22:16:46 i installed bash4 Apr 24 22:16:54 but when i hit terminal it launches busybox Apr 24 22:17:37 sure Apr 24 22:17:57 toldya to type "bash" Apr 24 22:18:13 ~jrtools Apr 24 22:18:16 rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Apr 24 22:19:05 excellent Apr 24 22:19:39 making bash user's default shell is somewhat dangerous Apr 24 22:20:45 once years ago initscripts/xsession been spiced with busyboxisms Apr 24 22:21:09 making bash default caused bootloop Apr 24 22:22:08 ok Apr 24 22:22:43 bash4 lacks 'help' Apr 24 22:25:07 dunno why but I reverted to bash3 iirc Apr 24 22:26:58 GNU bash, version 3.2.33(2)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnu) Apr 24 22:27:34 wizbit: heard of Neo900 ? Apr 24 22:27:58 (shameless advertising) Apr 24 22:28:38 yes i have Apr 24 22:28:44 they are expensive Apr 24 22:28:46 but sound nice Apr 24 22:29:10 is it worth the upgrade once they are a reasonable price? Apr 24 22:30:04 please don't ask me, I'm biased ;) Apr 24 22:30:53 that probably means yes Apr 24 22:30:58 but for sure I'd like to sell one to you Apr 24 22:31:19 how much are they now Apr 24 22:32:11 we still hope for less than 700EUR for the board Apr 24 22:32:23 ok Apr 24 22:32:58 i just lauched maps Apr 24 22:33:03 and it says looking for GPS Apr 24 22:33:26 with much luck we reach 500 Apr 24 22:33:32 ok Apr 24 22:33:49 ill see how i get on with the n900 Apr 24 22:33:56 i will keep that in mind for when i upgrade Apr 24 22:34:32 yes, please do. Not everybody needs or wants a Neo900 Apr 24 22:34:50 they sound nice though Apr 24 22:35:09 how can i test if GPS is working properly? Apr 24 22:35:42 get Location test Apr 24 22:35:47 app Apr 24 22:37:43 and one last question, is there a decent sat nav app for driving? or even walking? Apr 24 22:38:03 check SUPL setting, make that google Apr 24 22:38:37 there are like 4 or 5 nav apps Apr 24 22:39:16 modrana, marble, maps, another one, and some I forgot Apr 24 22:39:46 modrana developer is quite supportive Apr 24 22:39:55 maep Apr 24 22:41:07 i didnt realise there was so much apps available Apr 24 22:41:31 surely this has more than the windows mobile platform :D Apr 24 22:41:41 AGPS will fail epically when systemclock is off Apr 24 22:42:09 im installing modrana Apr 24 22:42:29 M4rtinK will love to hear Apr 24 22:43:48 wizbit: let me know if you have any issues/improvement ideas :) Apr 24 22:44:50 :) Apr 24 22:45:10 M4rtinK: ok :D Apr 24 22:45:49 should be there tomorrow, now sleep time :) Apr 24 22:46:40 n8 M4rtinK Apr 24 22:48:16 thanks! :) Apr 24 22:48:26 God night! :) Apr 24 22:51:10 wizbit: on maemo.cloud-7.de is a enable-catalogs that simplifies switching between extras-devel et al enabled and default. No more messing with HAM catalogs Apr 24 22:51:41 eeek i just plugged headphones into my n900 and they make a loud buzzing noise :/ Apr 24 22:51:59 duuh! Apr 24 22:52:27 50Hz? Apr 24 22:52:36 Video? Apr 24 22:52:40 its a mp3 Apr 24 22:52:48 it plays fine on internal speakers Apr 24 22:54:02 sorry, can't diagnose+fix from pub via my IroN900 Apr 24 22:54:21 i think it could be sending video out?! Apr 24 22:54:50 what I suspected Apr 24 22:55:05 apple headset? Apr 24 22:55:30 akg Apr 24 22:55:38 k451 Apr 24 22:55:46 3-pin? Apr 24 22:56:18 or 4 Apr 24 22:56:28 3 Apr 24 22:56:39 no 4 Apr 24 22:56:46 that SHOULD work Apr 24 22:56:54 ~2119 Apr 24 22:56:54 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Apr 24 22:57:15 try 3pin Apr 24 22:57:22 the headphones what came with the phone work Apr 24 22:57:42 4th pin notconnected causes this problem Apr 24 22:57:54 yup Apr 24 22:58:09 err 3rd Apr 24 22:59:22 bad connection or polarity reversed on 2nd R of TRRG makes n900 think it's video Apr 24 23:00:40 where did you get device, which condition, how much? Apr 24 23:00:53 i got it from amazon Apr 24 23:01:03 oh you mean the n900 or headphones Apr 24 23:01:13 900 Apr 24 23:01:18 i got it on ebay Apr 24 23:01:22 hold on Apr 24 23:01:49 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251211707692?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 Apr 24 23:02:17 N900 here fleabay PITA Apr 24 23:04:47 N900 "..New unused item..." 359 feedback... Apr 24 23:05:55 err 359bucks? Apr 24 23:06:26 hi DocScrutinizer51! Apr 24 23:06:42 hi master! Apr 24 23:06:50 359 seller's feedbacks Apr 24 23:06:51 other headphones are fine Apr 24 23:06:53 how annoying Apr 24 23:07:10 wizbit: get adapter Apr 24 23:07:27 the whole line is detachable Apr 24 23:07:31 from the headphone Apr 24 23:07:37 on Neo900 you'd not need one ;) Apr 24 23:07:39 so maybe its the mic and volume control bit Apr 24 23:08:36 the sound quality is good though Apr 24 23:08:42 and it goes loud Apr 24 23:14:01 DocScrutinizer51: since some time i'm fighting with a random "Master sink "sink.hw0" not found" and related audio routing issue as described in some TMO thread... but so far i haven't found a solution. After a few reboots the error disappears and gsm calls again work with usual behavior Apr 24 23:14:07 im going to try and hold down the button on the headphone wire while i plug it in Apr 24 23:14:49 IT WORKS!! Apr 24 23:15:15 xes: OUCH. cellmo popped ball? Apr 24 23:15:22 SSI Apr 24 23:15:52 actually it doesnt work properly Apr 24 23:15:58 wizbit: smartass :) Apr 24 23:15:59 i need a new line :D Apr 24 23:16:21 DocScrutinizer51: i don't think.. when it boots without the error it works for weeks without any issue Apr 24 23:16:41 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Apr 24 23:16:56 weird! share syslog Apr 24 23:17:28 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Replacement-Audio-upgrade-Cable-For-AKG-K450-K451-K480-Q460-Headphones-/261256651056 Apr 24 23:17:31 perfect Apr 24 23:17:45 pulseaudio restart, modules unload, alsamixer save and restore = no go Apr 24 23:18:04 ugh Apr 24 23:18:45 I'm on mobile, no infra to search for proper anser Apr 24 23:19:01 xes: please ping me tomorrow Apr 24 23:19:15 as described here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=894209#post894209 but no solution worked Apr 24 23:19:30 xes: how's our infra? Apr 24 23:19:35 DocScrutinizer51: ok thanks Apr 24 23:20:20 do you alreadz party for me not being around? Apr 24 23:21:36 DocScrutinizer51: i think that the best answer is: stall Apr 24 23:22:04 :-S Apr 24 23:22:43 anyway.. no party Apr 24 23:24:45 thought HiFo would do a megaparty to celebrate they got rid of my nagging Apr 24 23:27:00 particularly chem|st Apr 24 23:34:49 * DocScrutinizer51 sarts having bizarre ideas about a referendum. Time to go offline Apr 24 23:35:38 ..human points of view and related misunderstandings...we should add a new channel #maemo-fights to canalize all the unuseful bickering :) Apr 24 23:37:20 not needed, I'm already stopping Apr 24 23:38:34 just worried about next elections. Possibly the ones known as imploding the maemo idea Apr 24 23:39:17 s/mo /mo council/ Apr 24 23:39:17 DocScrutinizer51 meant: just worried about next elections. Possibly the ones known as imploding the maemo councilidea Apr 24 23:41:59 i'm not so negative... I think that under the hood the real engine is our community. If the head goes mad... well, the community can react Apr 24 23:47:43 buzzword electorate Apr 24 23:48:19 10 karma, which karma?? Apr 24 23:52:50 * DocScrutinizer51 should take care of own karma to make SURE he CANNOT get elected for anything next term Apr 24 23:53:57 but that's peanuts, when we got no legitimate electorate Apr 24 23:55:53 * DocScrutinizer51 waves and engages the tklock switch **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 25 02:59:58 2014