**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 28 02:59:59 2014 Apr 28 10:44:46 DocScrutinizer05: ping Apr 28 13:31:38 hi all, I'm looking for an easy way to make a simple desktop widget. any tips? Apr 28 13:39:32 queen beecon? Apr 28 13:40:08 prolly as easy as it gets Apr 28 14:19:16 DocScrutinizer05: cool. other than being fugly it seems more or less what I need so I'll have a look ;) Apr 28 14:42:54 I think fugly is up to your config. I seem to recall you can have your own background image and maybe even shape Apr 28 15:23:16 dreamer: QBW is very fixable, what do you want the widget to do? Apr 28 15:24:23 two potential things, which I can both do with curl, which I just installed Apr 28 15:24:31 so I'll see what I can make with that :) Apr 28 15:25:03 and there is awk, so yeah I can do what I want, I think Apr 28 15:25:10 will have to write a nice script to wrap it all :) Apr 28 15:28:19 does speedyHAM allow to install libraries for example? in HAM a lot of stuff can't really be seen.. Apr 28 15:30:06 Sicelo: speedyHAM is HAM on speed, no extra functions Apr 28 15:30:49 dreamer: so you wish to run scripts? Apr 28 15:33:09 sixwheeledbeast: from what I read that's what QBW does, no? Apr 28 15:33:49 the reason I ask is it is possible to create your own hildon style shortcut if you don't like the look of QBW Apr 28 15:34:24 QBW is more flexible than running scripts, it can output data to the desktop widget Apr 28 15:34:33 ok, well QBW does update the colour, which is nice for what I want Apr 28 15:34:44 QBW it is then Apr 28 15:35:36 I'm looking to do two things: check a json file for a value (and change an icon based on that) and do a http POST request with one of two possible values (which is determined by the first action) Apr 28 15:35:54 so i'm thinking of some hackery around curl and awk Apr 28 15:37:14 This is why I asked what it was for :) if it was to simply run or open something you could make a shortcut. Much like I have for opening a particular spreadsheet file. Apr 28 15:37:31 Have a look at the examples on the QBW thread and QBW wiki page for help. Apr 28 15:37:33 yeah I want to do more than that Apr 28 15:37:43 yeah I'll see when my motivation is up ;) Apr 28 15:50:41 I had a QBW widget to switch on/off auto-connect_to_WLAN, showed green when on and red when off Apr 28 15:50:57 showing own IP is another nice widget Apr 28 15:51:27 reading out battery charge from bq27200 comes to mind Apr 28 15:53:26 DocScrutinizer05: that sounds useful Apr 28 15:55:04 I found external IP widgets can cause h-d to hang if your not careful Apr 28 15:56:04 hmm yeah, you for sure should make sure that your script behind the QBW widget returns soonish Apr 28 15:56:21 since all widgets run *inside* the main H-D thread Apr 28 15:56:50 so one single bad widget can nuke your whole desktop Apr 28 15:57:08 and a segfaulting widget can even cause a bootloop Apr 28 15:57:43 pretty unfortunate system design Apr 28 15:58:26 somebody must've been on crack Apr 28 16:07:40 python is terrible for leaking into h-d Apr 28 16:20:48 friendly FM widget = desktop killer for me... Apr 28 16:44:53 IMO the longer you have your N900 the less third-party widgetz you bother with. Apr 28 16:48:19 I currently only have OMWeather installed, when I first started I did have 10 QBW's and allsorts but I got fed up with h-d hanging and slow performance. Apr 28 16:49:02 Slowly they got removed Apr 28 16:53:51 some widgets seem stable ... OMWeather seems stable Apr 28 16:54:49 :nod: its a PITA to find a rogue one tho. Apr 28 17:07:03 I used to have 0 widgets, now I have a few weblinks Apr 28 18:20:12 is there a way to make a n900 / maemo boot so it shows the linux kernel log? Apr 28 18:20:42 also, does maemo do a fsck when it boots? Apr 28 18:26:00 load the fbcon module at boot time, assuming the kernel you are using has it. Apr 28 18:26:52 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown Apr 28 18:27:27 FATAL: Module fbcon not found. Apr 28 18:27:29 :D Apr 28 18:27:48 is it worth using the power kernel: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Installing_the_Stable_Kernel Apr 28 18:27:51 ? Apr 28 18:38:13 well, for fbcon for sure Apr 28 18:39:06 also for another few negligences like USB hostmode, netfilters/NAT etc Apr 28 18:48:07 DocScrutinizer05: do i need the U-Boot kernel Apr 28 18:48:17 or just: Linux kernel for power user Apr 28 18:48:29 do you have uboot installed? Apr 28 18:48:36 i installed that menu thing Apr 28 18:48:40 im not sure if its uboot Apr 28 18:48:48 that's BM, right? Apr 28 18:49:01 BootMenu Apr 28 18:49:02 yes Apr 28 18:49:07 that's not uBoot Apr 28 18:49:10 right ok Apr 28 18:49:16 so no, you don't need uBoot kernel Apr 28 18:49:31 I will now install using HAM: Linux kernel for power user Apr 28 18:49:38 go ahead Apr 28 18:49:41 ace :D Apr 28 18:49:47 this is like a mini computer Apr 28 18:49:57 this IS a mini computer Apr 28 18:50:02 oh yes :D Apr 28 18:50:30 and Nokia never got the catch on that particular fact Apr 28 18:50:41 N9 is not Apr 28 18:50:58 I keep discovering new features in mine. Apr 28 18:51:20 wizbit: you might want to go for speedyham Apr 28 18:51:28 ok Apr 28 18:51:43 i think fsck is important, i think the power kernel supports that? Apr 28 18:51:43 speedyham? Is that like HAM, but 'not slow'? Apr 28 18:51:47 ~speedyHAM Apr 28 18:51:47 i heard speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb Apr 28 18:52:12 never heard of it... what did I miss? Apr 28 18:52:24 https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-04-28.log.html#t2014-04-28T03:17:10 Apr 28 18:53:09 how do you do a reboot so BootMenu appears? if i use the power off feature from the title bar, it just reboots without showing BootMenu Apr 28 18:53:38 open slider Apr 28 18:54:02 backupmenu Apr 28 18:54:13 ok Apr 28 18:54:17 so speedyham is out... since today? Apr 28 18:54:32 it's not really out at all yet Apr 28 18:54:48 next CSSU-T release will have it, i heard Apr 28 18:54:59 cool, i'll wait for it Apr 28 18:55:25 no, you don't want to wait for that AWESOME improvement :-D Apr 28 18:55:39 make a BM backup, do http://privatepaste.com/6f34e4603d Apr 28 18:55:45 would be nice to get rid of that nokia hand shake video when it boots lol Apr 28 18:55:54 wizbit: see Apr 28 18:55:57 ~jrtools Apr 28 18:55:57 methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Apr 28 18:56:02 ok :D Apr 28 18:56:10 any more wishes? lol Apr 28 18:56:36 one last one, can the phone go into portrait mode Apr 28 18:56:47 install CSSU-T Apr 28 18:56:55 DocScrutinizer05 i haven't installed much these times, my n900 has seen busier days Apr 28 18:56:55 wow Apr 28 18:56:56 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l unknown Apr 28 18:57:02 (still primary device) Apr 28 18:57:25 is CSSU-T = thumb? Apr 28 18:57:29 no Apr 28 18:57:53 cssu-t is a subset of cssu-thumb Apr 28 18:58:03 i havent install thumb yet Apr 28 18:58:09 T like Testing Apr 28 18:58:15 do i just activate the thumb repo and update? Apr 28 18:58:16 ~cssu Apr 28 18:58:17 rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Apr 28 18:58:42 im running CSSU Apr 28 18:58:44 but not thumb Apr 28 18:59:03 (actually even CSSU-S can do portrait mode, but the widget to enable it is missing) Apr 28 18:59:28 i think my phone contacts went into portrait mode somehow Apr 28 18:59:32 but im not sure how i did it Apr 28 18:59:55 ctrl+shift+r? Apr 28 18:59:55 its not essential Apr 28 19:00:00 i think it worked in pr1.2 or something Apr 28 19:00:07 dialer (incl "show contacts") has an option to go to portrait even in stock Apr 28 19:00:12 aha Apr 28 19:00:24 see menu in dialer Apr 28 19:00:28 wizbit you won't find yourself using it in portrait that often anyways Apr 28 19:00:33 true Apr 28 19:00:50 does the power kernel do a auto fsck when it boots? Apr 28 19:01:13 every kernel does (not, since system does) Apr 28 19:01:24 DocScrutinizer05: does it need setting up from fstab? Apr 28 19:01:30 no Apr 28 19:01:43 ok :D Apr 28 19:01:59 NAND has ubifs which per definition doesn't need nor have fsck Apr 28 19:02:18 ace :D Apr 28 19:02:20 MyDocs is VFAT and sysinit scripts do fsck when needed Apr 28 19:02:38 would it be better if MyDocs was ext3? Apr 28 19:03:01 and I FINALLY WANT THAT NOTIFICATION LED BLINK RED when fsck is running Apr 28 19:03:13 good idea Apr 28 19:03:28 wizbit: depends. you can't mass storage mount it then Apr 28 19:03:49 yep true, also should i change swap partition? like you said? Apr 28 19:04:13 that's critical. If you dare you can give it a try Apr 28 19:04:33 but then your system will stall when opening battery cover Apr 28 19:04:34 ok if its critical, i will do it! Apr 28 19:04:57 i will turn off system if i need to remove battery cover Apr 28 19:04:57 lol Apr 28 19:05:08 it's not generally recommended for "normal users" Apr 28 19:05:29 I for one never really used it, I tested it once Apr 28 19:05:39 ok i wont bother doing it?! Apr 28 19:05:48 fund the effect to be marginal for me since I'm humble with RAM usage Apr 28 19:05:55 ok Apr 28 19:05:57 found* Apr 28 19:06:05 so there is only 1 think left, CSSU-THUMB Apr 28 19:06:16 wait with that! Apr 28 19:06:20 oh ok Apr 28 19:06:22 at least one month Apr 28 19:06:25 ok Apr 28 19:06:34 make yourself familiar with "stock" maemo Apr 28 19:06:47 thumb is clumsy to handle Apr 28 19:06:49 ok will do Apr 28 19:06:51 sometimes Apr 28 19:07:11 i have a root ssh password, i login via root Apr 28 19:07:26 should i set a passwword for User instead and disable root ssh login? Apr 28 19:07:36 OOOH keep in mind your BM backups need the right kernel when restoring Apr 28 19:07:48 you can't restore a BM backup to a different kernel Apr 28 19:07:50 i havent backed up yet :D Apr 28 19:08:00 dman you! ;-P Apr 28 19:08:12 want to get system setup just right then i will Apr 28 19:08:36 you should do a backup *before* you messed up stuff by trying to get it right ;-) Apr 28 19:08:42 ohhh Apr 28 19:08:46 and of course again after succeeding Apr 28 19:08:56 ;) Apr 28 19:09:01 well it seems ok now, im not going to put much more on it Apr 28 19:09:03 i will backup soon Apr 28 19:09:49 cmd: Today is Pungenday, the 45th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180 Apr 28 19:09:55 bbl Apr 28 19:10:20 oh yes there is one last problem Apr 28 19:10:24 i added a Skype account Apr 28 19:10:32 but i cannot get a video call option to show Apr 28 19:10:54 it looks like the n900 has a front facing camera Apr 28 19:10:56 hmmm, you don't wanna know my advice regarding skype Apr 28 19:11:22 well my friends and family are on it, im not a great fan of it either Apr 28 19:11:32 afaik skype video should "work" via frontcam Apr 28 19:11:41 Yeah, it "works". Apr 28 19:11:49 The resolution is "terrible". Apr 28 19:11:51 maybe the power kernel will make it work Apr 28 19:11:52 lol Apr 28 19:12:09 skype kills your battery Apr 28 19:12:15 If you want a working solution, get the iPhone stuff. Apr 28 19:12:16 eeek Apr 28 19:12:22 no thanks Apr 28 19:12:30 maybe google video might be better Apr 28 19:12:42 AFAIK, Apple has the best tech there now. Apr 28 19:12:54 Now, it might do worse along other dimensions. Apr 28 19:12:59 I wasn't talking about that. Apr 28 19:13:04 aye ok Apr 28 19:13:30 my friends think i have a cheap old calculator, little do they know... hehe Apr 28 19:13:35 I also won't buy a new "phone" until I can upgrade to something which is still a "mini computer". Apr 28 19:13:51 me too Apr 28 19:13:55 neo900 Apr 28 19:14:12 i wonder if the neo900 has a better front camera Apr 28 19:14:12 sipgate.de Apr 28 19:14:46 i use giffgaff in UK Apr 28 19:14:50 no, the cameras are all the same. Particularly front cam Apr 28 19:14:58 ok its no big deal Apr 28 19:15:31 if you wanna do video calls, use a decent laptop or desktop PC Apr 28 19:15:36 yep Apr 28 19:15:58 you don't wanna stare at your phone while running into a bus Apr 28 19:16:04 LOL Apr 28 19:16:44 DocScrutinizer05: but phones are going to make laptops absolute!?! Apr 28 19:17:04 That was a joke, including the spelling. Apr 28 19:17:08 since skype is M$, you won't be a happy surfer with it on any other platform than windoze anyway, for much longer Apr 28 19:17:24 there is a google video app in a repo Apr 28 19:17:30 DocScrutinizer05: I think the economics have changed on that already. Apr 28 19:17:44 DocScrutinizer05: in enterprises people want to have Linux support now too. Apr 28 19:18:05 OMG, poor maemo Apr 28 19:18:11 DocScrutinizer05: effectively, people are using stuff like Google Hangouts, even though there are proprietary systems which only run on commercial OSs. Apr 28 19:18:47 what are cool things to show on desktop, i have the weather showing with some shortcuts Apr 28 19:18:50 and the media player Apr 28 19:20:01 try wifi-eye Apr 28 19:20:05 ok Apr 28 19:20:25 sometimes comes in handy to analyze the RF landscape Apr 28 19:20:52 ooh, you mean widgets? Apr 28 19:20:56 yes Apr 28 19:21:04 wifieye is no widget Apr 28 19:21:29 I have a few contacts shortcuts to directly call some of my freinds with two clicks Apr 28 19:21:47 some system info would be nice Apr 28 19:21:49 I have a shortcut to "settings" Apr 28 19:22:08 load applet is all the "system info2 I realy need Apr 28 19:22:21 i installed load applet Apr 28 19:22:28 does that create the icons in the title bar Apr 28 19:22:33 yes Apr 28 19:22:35 ohhh nice Apr 28 19:22:59 left is CPU, right is memory usage Apr 28 19:23:23 i dont see that Apr 28 19:23:28 when CPU is in the red, you prolly should wait for something to finish Apr 28 19:23:38 imaybe it isnt on there after all Apr 28 19:26:06 i do have this Apr 28 19:26:06 http://my-maemo.com/grafika/load-applet.jpg Apr 28 19:28:11 the lower left two are buttons for screenshot and screencast from load applet Apr 28 19:28:26 the real thing sits in the systray Apr 28 19:28:37 next to the battery icon Apr 28 19:29:45 DocScrutinizer05: my icons look pretty much like this Apr 28 19:29:45 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Maemo5-screenshot.png Apr 28 19:30:01 those bars on the left are for cpu? Apr 28 19:30:05 *right Apr 28 19:30:12 yeah, and your cpu is in 0.5 bars, mam at 2 bars Apr 28 19:30:17 i thought that was wifi signal lol Apr 28 19:31:12 wifi is left of green dot Apr 28 19:31:29 ace Apr 28 19:31:49 why is your GPS enabled? Apr 28 19:31:50 im going to try this script so i can videos playing ok Apr 28 19:31:51 https://code.google.com/p/vikrant-incubator/source/browse/ruby/ffmpeg_n900.rb Apr 28 19:31:55 is that OK? Apr 28 19:31:56 DocScrutinizer05: thats not my screen Apr 28 19:32:01 aaah Apr 28 19:32:29 then i can watch movies on the train Apr 28 19:40:50 * wizbit tests a video Apr 28 19:43:15 it works :D Apr 28 19:45:05 perfect res Apr 28 19:45:05 ffmpeg -i "test.mp4" -vcodec libx264 -vpre hq -vpre ipod640 -b 800k -s 800x450 -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128k -ac 2 "test.mp4.n900.mp4" Apr 28 19:45:14 actually i took away the hq preset for my version of ffmpeg Apr 28 19:57:01 i have to admit, this phone + maemo is _AWESOME_ Apr 28 19:57:15 :) Apr 28 19:58:37 DocScrutinizer05: speedyham in cssu-devel repo depends on newer libglib as it was compiled on a system(SB) upgraded to the latest -testing. Which introduced upgraded libglib Apr 28 19:59:20 freemangordon: yes, thought as much. But that's not what it should do Apr 28 19:59:45 prolly, but I don;t see a way to correctly handle that Apr 28 19:59:48 dependencies should be tailored to the actualy need, which is usually "a lib compatible to..." Apr 28 20:00:06 I know, but this dependency doesn't come from debian/control Apr 28 20:00:20 freakin shite Apr 28 20:00:21 it is auto-generated Apr 28 20:00:32 by dh_ scripts Apr 28 20:00:59 that's kinda buggy Apr 28 20:01:52 I wouldn't say it is, after all those scripts take what is currently installed as a minimum needed version, which makes sense Apr 28 20:02:37 DocScrutinizer05: also, upgrading libglib is not that scary :P Apr 28 20:03:33 the same comes for libpixman Apr 28 20:03:43 (auto-generated dependency) Apr 28 20:04:37 I'm tempted to hexedit the .deb to s/libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0)/libglib2.0-0 (>= 0.00.0)/ Apr 28 20:05:17 debs suck :c Apr 28 20:05:27 what an idiocy to specify a particular version for everything Apr 28 20:05:38 no need to hexedit the .deb Apr 28 20:05:52 just edit ... umm... where it was Apr 28 20:06:17 well dpkg database, it should be somewhere in /var/lib/dpkg or /usr/lib/dpkg Apr 28 20:06:26 it is a plaintext file Apr 28 20:06:33 hexediting deb may not be that easy Apr 28 20:06:38 what for? would that fix the issue for others? Apr 28 20:06:39 :nod: Apr 28 20:06:52 its gzipped tar in ar Apr 28 20:06:52 for "others" there is no issu Apr 28 20:06:57 *issue Apr 28 20:07:04 aha Apr 28 20:07:04 yup, just ar x/tar x Apr 28 20:07:11 you're installing stuff from cssu-devel repo Apr 28 20:07:20 ~cssu-devel Apr 28 20:07:20 so what? Apr 28 20:07:20 i guess cssu-devel is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292, or extremely deprecated for any non-developer Apr 28 20:07:37 it may eat your brain Apr 28 20:07:41 :P Apr 28 20:07:48 brains are overrated anyway Apr 28 20:07:52 I'm not interested in this type of discussion Apr 28 20:08:28 speedyham is cssu material, you may try to install it on your x86 PC and complain that it is not compatible and has missing dependencies Apr 28 20:08:35 as well Apr 28 20:08:48 it sounds like "look you're not supposed to use it anyway, so I fucked it up to make sure you get a headache when you nevertheless do" Apr 28 20:09:13 and you are well aware that cssu policy is "take it or leave it" Apr 28 20:09:20 ofc not Apr 28 20:09:46 I'm not interested in your policy either Apr 28 20:09:46 It is not me put that dependency to make your life harder Apr 28 20:10:09 DocScrutinizer05: just git clone and build it in non-cssu SB Apr 28 20:10:23 you'll have your dependency in place Apr 28 20:10:30 *dependencies Apr 28 20:10:39 please tell that wizbit Apr 28 20:11:13 well, the real problem is that last cssu-stable update was more than year ago, correct? Apr 28 20:11:21 I got my "dependencies in place" already Apr 28 20:11:49 the real problem is that the .deb is fucked up so it's not usable on stock maemo Apr 28 20:12:04 it was never meant to be usable on stock maemo. period Apr 28 20:12:17 I don't care. period Apr 28 20:14:55 aaaand... my nokia developer account has been terminated :) Apr 28 20:15:10 *shrug* Apr 28 20:15:50 OMG: Apr 28 20:16:02 Nokia account Apr 28 20:16:21 what else did you expect? Apr 28 20:16:40 nothing, but my eyes started to bleed :) Apr 28 20:17:15 wait till you do a whois on the (then deceased) maemo.org domain Apr 28 20:17:30 yeah :( Apr 28 20:18:09 prolly pointing to mobilephones.microsoft.com then, by CNAME Apr 28 20:18:29 maybe we should act pro-actively and change HAM catalogues in advance Apr 28 20:18:48 I suggested that several times during last 12 months or so Apr 28 20:18:54 but I guess that should come from the council Apr 28 20:19:11 last time I checked I been council member Apr 28 20:19:21 I know Apr 28 20:19:25 only 2 more weeks though Apr 28 20:19:25 do something then Apr 28 20:20:06 we have the tool to do it (you-know-which-package) Apr 28 20:20:13 yes Apr 28 20:20:58 but I'm out of this business, fed up by the flaming and bullying Apr 28 20:21:34 and the ignorance Apr 28 20:22:34 when is the next council meeting? tomorrow? Apr 28 20:22:58 go ask HiFo which decade of which century they hope to finalize their negotiations with Nokia Apr 28 20:24:07 and which fraction of the donations/fund they plan to dedicate to that task Apr 28 20:25:53 DocScrutinizer05: whan is the next planned council meeting? Apr 28 20:25:57 *when Apr 28 20:26:21 while a domain registration already costs ~10EUR/year, and I'm not willing to pay any more cent from my own pocket, and I'm also not willing to accept any more donations to my private account just to hear about tax evasion and forgery and whatnot Apr 28 20:26:45 freemangordon: NFC, it seems there are no regular meetings anymore Apr 28 20:26:53 cool :( Apr 28 20:27:41 at least there are no meeting minutes, right? Apr 28 20:28:17 I also can't see any activity of council to start next elections Apr 28 20:29:14 I explaned like 5 times that this time I *won't* push those Apr 28 20:29:41 first time I did explain been _before_ last elections Apr 28 20:30:38 there's simply nobody interested anymore, in anything related to maemo Apr 28 20:31:16 particularly not in electroate Apr 28 20:32:06 typing in my complex passwords is quite difficult on a n900 Apr 28 20:32:10 i might setup ssh keys Apr 28 20:32:30 can the n900 browser remember passwords? Apr 28 20:33:43 inz: ping Apr 28 20:35:45 wizbit quite a basic feature.. the answer is obviously yes Apr 28 20:36:47 eeek my dmesg says lots of times Apr 28 20:36:53 wlan0: driver reports beacon loss from AP cf1bf52c - sending probe request Apr 28 20:38:08 is it safe to issue a: reboot from the terminal ? Apr 28 20:39:21 yes Apr 28 20:39:24 ace Apr 28 20:39:25 basically Apr 28 20:39:28 http://www.google.de/search?q=cf1bf52c Apr 28 20:40:41 xes, pong? Apr 28 20:41:31 hi inz! If i'm not wrong you were the maintainer of http://maemo-hackers.org... Isn't it? Apr 28 20:41:55 I was, yes Apr 28 20:42:19 seems ok after reboot Apr 28 20:42:19 about the repo and sources, is everything lost? Apr 28 20:43:22 DocScrutinizer05: sorry to repeat, how can i launch BackupMenu when it boots? Apr 28 20:43:36 open keyboard? Apr 28 20:43:47 and maybe press something Apr 28 20:43:53 it was open?! Apr 28 20:43:58 hm Apr 28 20:44:04 then i dont remember Apr 28 20:44:05 i installed a new kernel Apr 28 20:44:09 i wonder if that wipes it Apr 28 20:44:18 ill try again Apr 28 20:44:20 full boot Apr 28 20:44:30 DocScrutinizer05: how can i do that ? Apr 28 20:44:37 reboot from terminal? Apr 28 20:44:49 easiest way: switch device on Apr 28 20:45:00 xes, they're not lost, still on the disk; put them online at: http://inz.fi/mh-apt/ Apr 28 20:46:31 from terminal a shutdown -r now should do Apr 28 20:46:49 it works Apr 28 20:46:51 with keyboard open Apr 28 20:46:54 :D Apr 28 20:46:57 though i'm not sure it has the right bootreason for BM then Apr 28 20:48:08 its time to get the nokia booting so it shows the kernel log, like a proper linux box :D Apr 28 20:48:47 wow Apr 28 20:48:47 http://i.imgur.com/9Sjs3.jpg Apr 28 20:49:18 inz: if you don't mind, i would like to mirror these contents and ask our council to keep a copy into repository.maemo.org Apr 28 20:50:07 xes, if you feel like there's something worth saving, then sure =) Apr 28 20:51:35 xes: simply go ahead, there's basically no council that will decide on such stuff anymore. Heck it's even unclear it seems if council is allowed to decide such stuff, when you ever were to ask HiFo Apr 28 20:52:03 inz: thank you! I'm going to mirror that and proceed asking about keeping a copy into repository.maemo.org Apr 28 20:53:40 while for me it's unclear if HiFo has to decide on *anything*, considering they don't have any paper at hand Apr 28 20:54:27 it all boils down to "ask M$ or simply do it" Apr 28 20:57:53 DocScrutinizer05: since in my opinion these contents are useful, let's proceed step by step Apr 28 20:58:57 what you gonna do when in two weeks maemo.org is a CNAME to mobilephones.microsoft.com ? Apr 28 21:00:14 *I* got my hardcoded IPs in rtc/hosts still. I wonder how many of the community do Apr 28 21:00:22 etc* Apr 28 21:01:33 I also got my complete local backup of tabletsdev Apr 28 21:02:18 I wonder if I want or need mirrors of base repos, tools, SDK Apr 28 21:04:10 DocScrutinizer05: don't worry, there is always a solution ... Apr 28 21:04:20 aha Apr 28 21:04:41 I mirrored most of nokia's repos btw Apr 28 21:05:22 got fbcon working :D Apr 28 21:05:51 we could publish a note on /. about "please open HAM, click "catalogs" in menu, then "new", then enter the following settings..." Apr 28 21:06:27 DocScrutinizer05: how big are extras{,-testing,-devel} and community{,-testing,-devel,-thumb} btw ? Apr 28 21:06:39 ask xes Apr 28 21:06:39 wizbit: warning, pay attention to fbcon it's a crash generator... Apr 28 21:06:54 its not safe to use? Apr 28 21:07:00 xes: how big are extras/community repos ? Apr 28 21:07:26 bencoh: more than 750 GB Apr 28 21:07:40 wow Apr 28 21:08:04 my hdd is 180GB :v Apr 28 21:08:08 that seems huge (even compared to debian) Apr 28 21:08:22 pretty bloated Apr 28 21:08:39 do you keep archives of old builds/packages ? Apr 28 21:08:41 but probably there are a few duplicates not used Apr 28 21:08:47 I hope so Apr 28 21:09:27 I guess I should try apt-mirroring it and see what it says to have a more accurate value Apr 28 21:09:36 tabletsdev alone is >30GB Apr 28 21:10:10 bencoh: no Apr 28 21:10:31 the maemo-extras[-*] repos are the least problematic Apr 28 21:10:33 no I shouldnt, or no it wont be more accurate ? Apr 28 21:11:45 (yesterday I considered mirroring it as well then thought it might be a bit heavy on maemo infra) Apr 28 21:11:46 hosted in a safe place, on a decent machine, by respected competent sysops Apr 28 21:12:32 aren't they run by hifo as well ? Apr 28 21:12:41 bencoh: example: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/m/modrana/ Apr 28 21:12:44 meh, maemo infra can cope with that easily, as long as you don't access web content managed by midgard Apr 28 21:14:29 http://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror Apr 28 21:14:58 that's what I used ;) Apr 28 21:17:18 ~mirrors Apr 28 21:17:19 rumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new Apr 28 21:20:46 oh :) Apr 28 21:45:05 Hi Apr 28 21:46:06 I have a N900, and I love it. But the hardware is inevitable out-of-date. Apr 28 21:46:32 I feel sorry that I have to buy a new android based phone maybe. Apr 28 21:47:20 Do you have any idea on where Maemo will go? Apr 28 21:48:04 I recently successfully paired my google glass with N900 with bluetooth PAN. Apr 28 21:52:50 i wonder if this will work in maemo5 Apr 28 21:52:50 http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/maemo.jacekowski.org/pool/free/c/chromium/ Apr 28 22:35:39 Rotacidni: maybe neo900 is an alternative for you? Apr 28 22:36:26 anyway it's probably the only direction "maemo will go" Apr 28 22:37:34 and maybe even towards newer and better CPU once we ported fremantle to another OMAP and liberated the closed blobs Apr 28 22:37:52 with Neo901 though Apr 28 22:38:16 Neo900 will have a DM3730 OMAP3 CPU Apr 28 22:38:38 Rotacidni: but rather than Android phone Jolla Apr 28 22:38:59 Rotacidni: at least it does use more than modded linux kernel.. Apr 28 22:43:08 hmmm Apr 28 22:43:11 kinda Apr 28 22:43:30 jolla's still a frankenstein androphone Apr 28 22:43:46 (and it seems they intend to keep it this way) Apr 28 22:45:41 obviously Apr 28 22:47:43 and even worse in my book: it keeps the paradigm that made harmattan/N9 unattractive to me. N9 been the first *phone* in the whole series. everything before been a Nokia Internet Tablet, read: a palmtop computer. N9 and Jolla clearly left behind the computer paradigm and went "phone with apps" Apr 28 22:49:34 on harmattan it's blatantly obvious: edit anything in system config and you get a malfuntion on next boot and need to reflash Apr 28 22:50:00 user is just that: a *user* who mustn't touch the system Apr 28 22:50:33 I wanna *own* my device, that's why I went with linux phones to begin with Apr 28 22:51:20 when I want that other concept, then damn sure I rather would've gone with iPhone or winphone Apr 28 22:52:15 I don't need Nokia's me-too appearance to join the mainstream of sheep without any power on their own devices Apr 28 22:53:17 or let me put it this way: when I need to root my phone, I will make sure it's worth it Apr 28 22:55:08 or yet another ~5 years old saying: "jailbreak? LOL! on myPhone i'm root!" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 29 02:59:58 2014