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May 05 08:54:59 <zGrr> moin :)
May 05 11:36:33 <freemangordon> ~bm
May 05 11:36:34 <infobot> i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
May 05 12:50:21 <Lava_Croft> Hello
May 05 12:50:35 <Lava_Croft> Has the problem concerning N900 not detecting it's own headphones been solved yet?
May 05 13:30:45 <DocScrutinizer05> err
May 05 13:30:57 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, clean the springs
May 05 13:32:10 <DocScrutinizer05> tzz, 26 mnutes. Sometimes lag is longer
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 05 14:20:12 2014
May 05 14:42:50 <yangs> hello
May 05 14:43:51 <yangs> hello
May 05 14:44:01 <yangs> is there anone?
May 05 15:11:46 <silviof> yes yangs we are here - but you have to wait for answers ^^
May 05 15:14:51 <freemangordon> but before that... ask a question?
May 05 15:20:12 <bennis> 'mplayer -vo xv:ck-method=auto -dr -ao alsa -nocache -autosync 30' is this most optimized setting for playing video with mplayer?
May 05 15:32:02 <silviof> :-)
May 05 17:01:28 <erlehmann> how can i have GNU unifont on n900? i made symbols http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/icons/unifont-symbols-emoji.png
May 05 17:49:13 <DocScrutinizer05> how would you do it on linux? ;-)
May 05 17:49:51 <DocScrutinizer05> (sorry, no clue here about all that font stuff)
May 05 17:50:58 <DocScrutinizer05> my take on fints ends where "shell can do UTF-8 now"
May 05 17:51:05 <DocScrutinizer05> fonts even
May 05 18:05:50 <erlehmann> DocScrutinizer05 copy font to $home/.fonts and run "fc-cache -fv"
May 05 18:06:35 <freemangordon> erlehmann: did you try that on n900?
May 05 18:07:17 <erlehmann> freemangordon nope, i did not.
May 05 18:07:29 <erlehmann> i thought maemo might have font facilities on its own.
May 05 18:07:57 <freemangordon> hildon-theme-recache-all might be the right tool
May 05 18:08:40 <freemangordon> though I am not sure if it will pick up a font from ~/.fonts
May 05 18:08:50 <freemangordon> rather put it in /usr/share/fonts
May 05 18:09:12 <freemangordon> (or wherever the fonts are located)
May 05 18:10:00 <freemangordon> hmm, wait
May 05 18:10:04 <freemangordon> there is fc-cache
May 05 18:10:16 <freemangordon> NFC what it does though :)
May 05 18:24:39 <erlehmann> wat
May 05 18:25:20 <freemangordon> erlehmann: hmm?
May 05 18:25:44 <erlehmann> freemangordon NFC?
May 05 18:25:49 <freemangordon> ~nfc
May 05 18:25:50 <infobot> methinks nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications
May 05 18:25:52 <erlehmann> what does NFC have to do with fonts
May 05 18:25:53 <erlehmann> oh
May 05 18:25:59 <erlehmann> i see
May 05 18:26:03 <erlehmann> no near file comm
May 05 18:26:07 <erlehmann> field
May 05 18:26:08 <freemangordon> sure :)
May 05 18:58:54 <hxka> > hildon-application-manager: apt-worker performance improvements
May 05 18:59:07 <hxka> is speedyham in the -thumb repo now&
May 05 18:59:11 <freemangordon> yep
May 05 18:59:16 <hxka> Niiiiiice
May 05 18:59:52 <freemangordon> hxka: and on a side note - libc6 is thumb-compiled :)
May 05 19:01:50 <hxka> Niiiiiice
May 05 19:01:56 <hxka> Why 2013?
May 05 19:02:04 <freemangordon> a typo
May 05 19:02:29 <freemangordon> if you mean 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1+thumb0
May 05 19:02:36 <freemangordon> (the previous version)
May 05 19:02:41 <hxka> >Timezone information as of 2013
May 05 19:02:58 <freemangordon> oh
May 05 19:03:12 <freemangordon> read that as (by the end of 2013) :)
May 05 19:03:58 <hxka> Ah, then it's fine
May 05 19:10:01 <wizbit_> if one uses swap on a sd card on n900 / maemo, does one still keep the swap active on the internal storage, or does one set it to a lower prioritu or does one disable it?
May 05 19:10:43 <freemangordon> wizbit: it is safe (and sane IMO) to disable internal swap if using swap on uSD
May 05 19:11:17 <wizbit> ace :D
May 05 19:12:52 <wizbit> freemangordon: im going to follow this guide: http://wiki.maemo.org/Swap_on_microSD
May 05 19:16:07 <wizbit> 'It's propably best to dedicate the whole microSD card for swap, if possible.'
May 05 19:16:09 <wizbit> :(
May 05 19:16:35 <ShadowJK> Marginally true with very shit cards
May 05 19:16:43 <ShadowJK> Not really relevant if you only use it for media storage
May 05 19:16:50 <wizbit> ace
May 05 19:18:51 <wizbit> this sounds interesting too http://wiki.maemo.org/Ereswap
May 05 19:22:48 <wizbit> http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap
May 05 19:23:53 <wizbit> i will set up 2x swaps on the uSD 
May 05 19:23:59 * RST38h moos slightly
May 05 19:24:35 <wizbit> 'This moves the swap space to the device so the back cover can be removed.'
May 05 19:24:36 <RST38h> Doc: hw:0 is this: http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/151990/Screen-Shot-20f14-05-01-at-1-22-20-PM.jpg
May 05 19:24:36 <wizbit> cool
May 05 19:28:16 <hxka> > 2x swaps on the uSD
May 05 19:28:19 <hxka> Why?
May 05 19:32:33 <wizbit> you can use a app like Flopswap to defrag the swaps
May 05 19:32:40 <wizbit> but that requires 2x swaps
May 05 19:36:26 <hxka> I don't really believe that between swap allocation and writing to flash the bottleneck is allocation
May 05 19:38:27 <hxka> Plus, you'll waste a lot of time and flash cycles reswapping
May 05 19:44:38 <hxka> Oh, I finally got it, the problem is not in allocation but in ftl
May 05 19:54:03 <hxka> If only it was possible to move all that garbage from one swap to another slowly, without slowing n900 to a halt
May 05 19:54:59 <freemangordon> hxka: did you change your queue prameters?
May 05 19:55:12 <freemangordon> well, not your queue, but io queue :)
May 05 19:57:57 <hxka> I tried it long time ago, when ereswap got introduced. Probably not.
May 05 20:05:54 <freemangordon> hxka: you'd better do it, look at what swappolube recommends
May 05 20:06:10 <freemangordon> I can pastebin my own settings if you wish
May 05 20:14:24 <wizbit> its a pity BootMenu doesnt have a defrag swap option
May 05 20:14:50 <hxka> what
May 05 20:15:04 <hxka> bm doesn't use swap at all
May 05 20:15:17 <wizbit> i know, but it could be used to defrag a swap partition
May 05 20:15:45 <wizbit> it can fsck partitions
May 05 20:16:17 <hxka> > A workaround to this is to disable and enable swap again - linuxswap filesystem content doesn't live through restarts, and once re-enabled, is written sequentially again. 
May 05 20:16:29 <wizbit> ohh interesting
May 05 20:16:36 <wizbit> what about a reboot?
May 05 20:17:00 <wizbit> could put in a script what disables and enables swap in startup
May 05 20:17:36 <wizbit> or maybe that happens anyway
May 05 20:19:19 <wizbit> or add it as a cron job
May 05 20:19:36 <wizbit> so it only happens 3am 
May 05 20:24:29 * hxka remembers seeing kernel patch which disables uSD disconnection on backcover removal
May 05 20:24:52 * hxka wonders why it is not in the current kernel yet
May 05 20:29:48 <DocScrutinizer05> wizbit: defargmentizing swap after boot is nonsensical and useless
May 05 20:30:04 <DocScrutinizer05> a boot clears swap anyway
May 05 20:31:01 <DocScrutinizer05> hxka: right, would make for a nice candidate for KP
May 05 20:37:24 <wizbit> DocScrutinizer05: so long as a reboot my phone every now and again i dont need any other tool?
May 05 20:37:37 <hxka> A better approach for reswapping would be: when swap1 is used up, swapon swap2; set swap 2 to higher priority than swap1; only swapoff swap1 when it's no longer used or when swap2 got used up as well; repeat for swap2
May 05 20:37:48 <wizbit> hxka: why not just reboot the phone
May 05 20:38:16 <hxka> rather that swapoff swap1 immediately after swapon swap2
May 05 20:38:27 <hxka> wizbit: it's all about uptime
May 05 20:38:44 <DocScrutinizer05> wizbit: you for sure can reboot phone when it slows down. that's what users did for 3 years or so
May 05 20:38:56 <DocScrutinizer05> and it always works
May 05 20:39:18 <DocScrutinizer05> hxka: ack
May 05 20:39:19 <wizbit> on average how long does it take for a swap to get defragmented?
May 05 20:39:33 <DocScrutinizer05> defragmented? some minutes
May 05 20:39:43 <wizbit> to the point its not usable?
May 05 20:39:45 <DocScrutinizer05> worst case
May 05 20:39:51 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
May 05 20:40:29 <wizbit> can the n900 hot swap a battery?
May 05 20:40:33 <DocScrutinizer05> no
May 05 20:40:43 <DocScrutinizer05> not really
May 05 20:40:57 <wizbit> not even if power is plugged in from mini usb
May 05 20:41:04 <hxka> there's a trick with wall charger
May 05 20:41:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I came up with a hack to allow it, but of course only with external charger
May 05 20:41:10 <wizbit> ok
May 05 20:51:10 <DocScrutinizer05> afk for dinner
May 05 20:52:06 <xes> freemangordon: do you know if there is a way to get mail uri from modest with a dbus-send command?
May 05 20:52:36 <freemangordon> don't know
May 05 20:54:15 <xes> dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.modest /com/nokia/modest com.nokia.modest.GetUnreadMessages
May 05 20:54:45 <xes> ^ this lists the unread msg ...but no way to read these (afaik)
May 05 21:13:53 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: sorry no modest dbus client on my system to use mdbus2 <tab> expansion to see what methods it offers
May 05 21:14:30 <DocScrutinizer05> mdbus2 -i
May 05 21:14:47 <DocScrutinizer05> tab works like on shell
May 05 21:15:09 <DocScrutinizer05> tab-tab lists all completions available
May 05 21:17:06 <DocScrutinizer05> though: MDBUS2> com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer [ERR]: No introspection data at object '/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer'
May 05 21:17:27 <bencoh> how does mdbus work ?
May 05 21:17:36 <DocScrutinizer05> python
May 05 21:17:44 <bencoh> I mean, how does mdbus completion work ?
May 05 21:17:45 <DocScrutinizer05> and dbus
May 05 21:17:51 <DocScrutinizer05> introspection
May 05 21:18:06 <bencoh> oh, introspection, right
May 05 21:18:33 <DocScrutinizer05> every dbus object SHOULD have an introspection method. Alas several Nokia opbjects don't
May 05 21:19:16 <DocScrutinizer05> there been some "good" reason why they don't, some lib not supporting that or whatever
May 05 21:20:34 <bencoh> and/or not willing to build with introspection support
May 05 21:20:41 <bencoh> (perf impact ?)
May 05 21:20:44 <bencoh> (complexity ?)
May 05 21:21:02 <DocScrutinizer05> no, the tools they used forbid that, they claimed
May 05 21:21:20 <DocScrutinizer05> some framework that been used
May 05 21:21:22 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
May 05 21:21:39 <DocScrutinizer05> no idea
May 05 21:22:18 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a few years since I asked a colabora or nokia dude why introspection missing
May 05 21:22:40 <DocScrutinizer05> since honestly, it sucks
May 05 21:23:19 <DocScrutinizer05> they agreed but had a somewhat plausible excuse
May 05 21:23:46 <DocScrutinizer05> bbl
May 06 01:40:32 <robbiethe1st> So... It's time.
May 06 01:41:06 <robbiethe1st> To see if I can hack my N900s USB port back working again. And then fix my other N900's USB port. And finally a third N900's port
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