**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 06 02:59:58 2014
May 06 03:01:57 <robbiethe1st> YES!
May 06 03:02:15 <robbiethe1st> I have just gotten a working USB connection on my N900 again.
May 06 03:02:21 <robbiethe1st> My /original/ N900.
May 06 03:02:51 <robbiethe1st> It's been 2 years, 9 months since it last worked.
May 06 03:03:39 <bennis> congrats!
May 06 03:04:38 <robbiethe1st> I swear, microUSB connections are way too tiny
May 06 07:24:50 <solofight> is there really a way to have encrypted home in n900 without really making my phone too sluggish ?
May 06 07:25:20 <solofight> who ever wrote a manual talks about too many problems and workaronds like plausible deniability, error while mounting and stuff like this
May 06 07:25:48 <solofight> i can setup once and had to giveit to somebody who will not know how to mount a partition 
May 06 07:26:14 <solofight> every time she gets that error
May 06 07:26:59 <solofight> so the question is can i really make a device secure with truecrypt without any hardcore stuff required by end user - which will not render my phone ultra slow every time i open any applications ?
May 06 07:31:16 <solofight> Is this trustable ? 206.253.166.96/N900/software/truecrypt/index2.html
May 06 08:05:03 <zGrr> moin :)
May 06 09:06:53 <DocScrutinizer05> solo is a bit in a hurry it seems
May 06 09:09:53 <DocScrutinizer05> grr, now they start to send spam with UTF or even html-encoded subject lines
May 06 09:10:53 <DocScrutinizer05> which means that the insanity leaks into kmail's folder mail list view
May 06 09:12:25 <DocScrutinizer05> aah,  Subject: PROM0TI0N =?GB2312?B?o9ej0qPJo9Oj1KPCo8GjzqPEo9M=?=
May 06 09:12:53 * DocScrutinizer05 heads to bathroom, for throwing up
May 06 11:23:22 <DocScrutinizer05> how many of you see strange char for 0x1B aka ESC aka 																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																																					
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May 06 11:23:25 <DocScrutinizer05> 																																																																																																																																																																																											
May 06 11:23:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ugh
May 06 11:25:20 <DocScrutinizer05>  aka 0x1B aka ESC. How  many of you see a strange representation of this char or otherwise witness strange effects?
May 06 11:26:02 <DocScrutinizer05> on desktop primarily, but of course maemo is also under investigation
May 06 11:26:58 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/06/plasma-desktopC31889.png  http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/06/plasma-desktoph31889.png
May 06 11:26:58 <freemangordon> ~rescueos
May 06 11:26:59 <infobot> methinks rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
May 06 11:28:59 <DocScrutinizer05> libreoffice spreadsheet for example doesn't show the tripleheight } when I insert it into a cell, but it knows about the height when I let it adjust cell height to "optimum"
May 06 11:30:02 <DocScrutinizer05> Konversation acts quite funny when that 0x1B got inserted from clipboard to text input field
May 06 11:30:33 <r00t^d430> my xchat2 seems to be displaying lots of spaces for your lines there
May 06 11:43:15 <Guest98823> mine does as well
May 06 12:45:36 <useretail> DocScrutinizer05: i see it
May 06 12:56:03 <DocScrutinizer05> it seems all (KDElib-based?) apps have funny ideas when you add a 0x1B ESC char somewhere
May 06 13:01:51 <erlehmann> DocScrutinizer05 explain?
May 06 13:02:07 <erlehmann> DocScrutinizer05 or more: elaborate
May 06 13:02:13 <DocScrutinizer05> erlehmann: 
May 06 13:04:14 <erlehmann> DocScrutinizer05 what do KDElib-based apps then?
May 06 13:04:21 <erlehmann> what do they do?
May 06 13:52:18 <DocScrutinizer05> well, copy&paste the giant "}" above, if you see it in your Konversation IRC clinet, and paste it to the text input field. Then type a few more chars to that field. Enjoy
May 06 13:53:56 <DocScrutinizer05> the double meaning of 0x1B as non-printable ESC control char and some printable representation probably based on UTF-8 messup will result in quite surprising results
May 06 14:25:57 <kerio> IRC has no well-defined encoding anyway
May 06 14:26:02 <kerio> but if you don't use UTF8, fuck you
May 06 14:26:32 <erlehmann> what kerio says
May 06 14:26:52 <erlehmann> i hate the xchat/mirc „send latin-1 sometimes and utf-8 some other time“ with a passion
May 06 14:29:08 <kerio> apart for microsoft comic chat
May 06 14:29:22 <merlin1991> hm utf8 0x1b lookes nothing like what doc posted
May 06 14:30:20 <merlin1991> at least if I can trust the input area of this qt4 irc client on windows
May 06 14:30:21 <kerio> kde
May 06 14:32:31 <erlehmann> DocScrutinizer05 i only see the symbol for the escape character
May 06 14:33:13 <erlehmann> this one: ␛
May 06 14:35:01 <merlin1991> wtf when I take the caracter to the clipboard it ends up as 0x90 0x9B
May 06 14:39:10 <merlin1991> hm seems like the handling of quassel is derp here
May 06 14:39:40 <merlin1991> when I go into the logs it is saved as \x1B but it isn't displayed properly here
May 06 14:42:45 <merlin1991> hm actually it looks like the clipboard is at fault here 
May 06 16:11:05 <DocScrutinizer05> erlehmann: that's what I'd expect to see as well, yes
May 06 16:17:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ␛ = U+241B however
May 06 16:19:09 <DocScrutinizer05> is U+001b, in konversation you can search for U+001b in "insert special char"
May 06 16:20:44 <DocScrutinizer05> xchat should be safe I guess, it had its fair share of messing up by special chars a while ago
May 06 16:34:59 <Maxdamantus> 90 9b = 1001000 10011011 = U+(2^10 + 27) = U+41B, I think.
May 06 16:35:39 <Maxdamantus> er, nvm, missed a 0
May 06 16:36:05 <Maxdamantus> 90 9b = 10010000 10011011 = U+(2^11 + 27) = U+81B O_o
May 06 16:38:33 <Maxdamantus> No, miscounted and got it right the first time.
May 06 16:42:38 <Maxdamantus> Oh, that's not actually a valid UTF-8 sequence .. U+241B is that with e2 at the beginning.
May 06 16:42:59 * Maxdamantus sleeps.
May 06 16:49:23 <DocScrutinizer05> U+909b = 邛
May 06 16:53:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ␛ is e2909b according to od -x
May 06 16:54:11 <DocScrutinizer05> jr@saturn:~> od -x 
May 06 16:54:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ␛␛␛␛␛␛
May 06 16:54:14 <DocScrutinizer05> 0000000 90e2 e29b 9b90 90e2 e29b 9b90 90e2 e29b
May 06 16:54:54 * DocScrutinizer05 doesn't grok that UTF8 stuff
May 06 19:19:15 <vdv> hi
May 06 19:20:11 <vdv> on my n900, if standard music player plays a song, and i run espeak simultaneously, i hear no sound from espeak
May 06 19:20:37 <vdv> more specific problem: navit sound conflicts with player
May 06 19:20:49 <vdv> how can i workaround that?
May 06 19:54:10 <DocScrutinizer05> vdv: this is a collision of audio output used by espeak vs the usual PA-based audio on maemo. "There's a thread for it" on tmo, you might be able to spot it via searching
May 06 19:55:10 <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, as workaround written small script to pause media player, execute espeak and resume player again
May 06 19:55:29 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds good to me
May 06 19:55:55 <vdv> but not sure whether it's  100%  reliable
May 06 19:55:58 <DocScrutinizer05> you prolly don't want to mix whatever espeak got to say with loud MP3 music anyway ;-)
May 06 19:57:39 <DocScrutinizer05> vdv: well, you probably first should check if mediaplayer resp mafw is actually playing media, store the current state, and restore that state later on. So you don't unpause an already paused playback after espeak finishes its thing
May 06 19:58:23 <vdv> that too
May 06 19:58:37 <DocScrutinizer05> and you might want to make that restore-state a cleanup procedure called via `trap cleanup ONEXIT`
May 06 19:58:51 <vdv> but i mean, maybe resources are not always freed for espeak on pause
May 06 20:00:12 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, that too, you should pasue a maybe 500ms, then check if resources are available. If espeak doesn't throw error when they are not, anyway, in which case testing doesn't make much sense. The cleanup will run no matter what, on EXIT
May 06 20:01:06 <sixwheeledbeast> Well from a quick test, stock MP ignores espeak. OMP merges espeak at the same volume.
May 06 20:01:25 <DocScrutinizer05> or you loop in a "busy" (sleep 0.5) loop, testing for resources free until either success or a counter expired
May 06 20:02:36 <DocScrutinizer05> on counter expired you `exit 5` (which calls cleanup), on success you proceed to espeak and then exit 0
May 06 20:02:54 <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, sounds good
May 06 20:04:01 <DocScrutinizer05> up to you to make that a sleep 0.1 (beware, messybox doesn't know sub-second sleep), and to set expiry counter to anything you deem acceptable
May 06 20:04:38 <DocScrutinizer05> do NOT do busy loop *without* any delay/sleep
May 06 20:05:11 <DocScrutinizer05> this is a guarantueed killer
May 06 20:06:24 <DocScrutinizer05> also do not loop infinitely (without expiry counter) this will eventually give you severe headache
May 06 20:06:28 <bencoh> we should crucify those who do
May 06 20:06:47 <bencoh> (and expose their flesh to the public)
May 06 20:06:57 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
May 06 20:08:56 <DocScrutinizer05> hi sixwheeledbeast
May 06 20:09:23 <sixwheeledbeast> o/
May 06 20:09:33 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: do you recall what's been the tale around espeak for modrana(?) guidance?
May 06 20:09:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I seem to recall they had the same problem back when with it
May 06 20:10:16 <sixwheeledbeast> hmmm, no I have not 
May 06 20:10:22 <sixwheeledbeast> ~seen M4rtinK
May 06 20:10:25 <infobot> m4rtink <~M4rtinK@mail.melf.eu> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 3d 7h 55m 31s ago, saying: 'the ultimate IDLE RPG channel'.
May 06 20:10:34 <DocScrutinizer05> another one that comes to mind is "speak number calling"
May 06 20:10:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh right, m4artin
May 06 20:11:08 <sixwheeledbeast> I have an issue with SMM10 that is talks over everything including the phone :)
May 06 20:11:20 <DocScrutinizer05> SMM10?
May 06 20:11:24 <sixwheeledbeast> sygic
May 06 20:11:27 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh
May 06 20:11:33 <DocScrutinizer05> never touched it
May 06 20:11:46 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly using playsound ?
May 06 20:12:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I think playsound does brute force
May 06 20:12:40 <sixwheeledbeast> I guess so, maybe this could be a solution to above issue?
May 06 20:13:09 <DocScrutinizer05> and now that I come to think about it, espeak|playsound or sth like that might have been one of the solutions back when
May 06 20:13:16 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
May 06 20:13:27 <DocScrutinizer05> took a while to type this
May 06 20:14:04 <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, tested a little with running navit and playing media player, seems to work correctly for now
May 06 20:14:19 <DocScrutinizer05> espeak per default using ESD? :-S
May 06 20:14:58 <DocScrutinizer05> not ElectroStatic Discharge but enlightenment sound daemon
May 06 20:15:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
May 06 20:15:15 <vdv> espeak -s 150 -p 65 -v mb-de7 -q --pho  "$text"  | mbrola -v 1.5 -e de7 - -.raw | pacat --channels=1 --rate=22050 --format=s16le --volume=65536
May 06 20:15:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ugh, pacat
May 06 20:15:43 <vdv> aha
May 06 20:15:47 <DocScrutinizer05> whatever mbrola might be
May 06 20:16:27 <vdv> it's offical binary for arm
May 06 20:16:41 <DocScrutinizer05> search tmo for espeak, some of the first 100 hits should be yours ;-)
May 06 20:17:25 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, espeak is espeak, no matter who's invoking it
May 06 20:17:33 <vdv> are there any other issues with it?
May 06 20:17:46 <DocScrutinizer05> not really, afaik
May 06 20:17:59 <vdv> you suggest to search
May 06 20:18:00 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe a bit of niceness tuning needed
May 06 20:18:40 <DocScrutinizer05> vdv: every"body" using espeak is running into your issues
May 06 20:18:56 <DocScrutinizer05> no matter what's the top app
May 06 20:19:11 <freemangordon> I guess it is an alsa policy thing. or PA policy. -> ohmd :)
May 06 20:19:15 <DocScrutinizer05> app using espeak, thus seeing your problems
May 06 20:19:30 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: sure, in the end it is
May 06 20:19:34 <vdv> i know how to pause/resume media player, how can check the current state?
May 06 20:19:45 <DocScrutinizer05> uhm
May 06 20:19:55 <freemangordon> vdv: it is not the correct way to do it
May 06 20:20:07 <vdv> dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.renderer.pause
May 06 20:20:15 <DocScrutinizer05> replace the .pause by .getstate or sth in your dbus call?
May 06 20:20:16 <vdv> freemangordon, with dbus call not?
May 06 20:20:24 <freemangordon> somewhere in /etc/(osso?) there should be a definition of priorities and mixin
May 06 20:20:32 <freemangordon> *mixing
May 06 20:20:39 <vdv> ah
May 06 20:20:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ~phonecontrol
May 06 20:20:58 <infobot> phonecontrol is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
May 06 20:21:20 <freemangordon> you can include your application there and assign the correct priority. Though I can;t give you details (simply don;t know them)
May 06 20:21:23 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: omg, you wanna define a new policy for it?
May 06 20:21:36 <freemangordon> sure, why not?
May 06 20:21:55 <DocScrutinizer05> because you're not the only one who doesn't know details ;-P
May 06 20:22:16 <freemangordon> well, maybe it is about time someone to discover how this should be done :P
May 06 20:22:20 <DocScrutinizer05> the big white void on maemo map
May 06 20:22:34 <DocScrutinizer05> one of the many
May 06 20:22:54 <DocScrutinizer05> terra incognita
May 06 20:23:23 <DocScrutinizer05> those who wandered there kept their knowledge and took it with them
May 06 20:24:14 <DocScrutinizer05> or I hadn't been invited to the party where they told their stories
May 06 20:24:59 <vdv> ))
May 06 20:25:15 <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, .getState or .state doesn't work in dbus call
May 06 20:25:15 <DocScrutinizer05> heck, isn't that what pali RE'ed in LISP? PROLOG? UGHUGH?
May 06 20:25:18 <bencoh> they'd have killed you afterwards anyway
May 06 20:25:27 <bencoh> haha
May 06 20:25:42 <freemangordon> well, I remember there was some config file in /etc. and it was not complicated. just that I can't find it now :(
May 06 20:26:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ugh ooogh ugh ugh ooog ooog ugh
May 06 20:26:43 <DocScrutinizer05> or was it whitespace?
May 06 20:27:05 <DocScrutinizer05> vdv: see
May 06 20:27:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ~phonecontrol
May 06 20:27:13 <infobot> rumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
May 06 20:27:19 <DocScrutinizer05> if it has sth for you
May 06 20:27:20 <vdv> i think it's get_status
May 06 20:27:34 <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, get_status is not listed there
May 06 20:27:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I guessed
May 06 20:27:46 <sixwheeledbeast> /etc/pulse maybe?
May 06 20:27:50 <freemangordon> yep
May 06 20:27:55 <freemangordon> xpolicy.conf
May 06 20:27:58 <sixwheeledbeast> client.conf
May 06 20:28:02 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
May 06 20:29:27 <sixwheeledbeast> xpolicy is a symlink to /usr/share/policy/etc/current/pulse
May 06 20:29:29 <DocScrutinizer05> /etc/pulse/client.conf  
May 06 20:29:31 <DocScrutinizer05> autospawn = no
May 06 20:29:32 <DocScrutinizer05> disable-shm = yes 
May 06 20:29:34 <DocScrutinizer05> HAHA, great conf
May 06 20:29:42 <DocScrutinizer05> that sounds better
May 06 20:30:06 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: sure
May 06 20:30:06 <DocScrutinizer05> actually /usr/share/policy/ kinda sounds right to me
May 06 20:31:27 <DocScrutinizer05> WTF source = sink.null.monitor
May 06 20:31:49 <freemangordon> but I remember there was another file, with priorities :(
May 06 20:33:09 <freemangordon> omg:
May 06 20:33:12 <freemangordon> [stream]
May 06 20:33:14 <freemangordon> exe   = "osso_lmarbles"
May 06 20:33:16 <freemangordon> group = game
May 06 20:33:45 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/cec4b11848 CMON really now?
May 06 20:34:07 <DocScrutinizer05> they look pretty identical, particularly considering how fdifferent they work
May 06 20:34:52 <freemangordon> check the appropriate groups
May 06 20:35:17 <freemangordon> vdv: If I were you, I'd edit xpolicy conf and add espeak there
May 06 20:35:46 * DocScrutinizer05 starts puking right at http://privatepaste.com/ad91af2701
May 06 20:36:15 <DocScrutinizer05> vdv: if I were you, I'd search tmo for "espeak"
May 06 20:36:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ...check the solutions there
May 06 20:36:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ...come back here and ask freemangordon when none of the solutions works for you
May 06 20:36:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
May 06 20:37:26 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: comeon, even marbles is there :D
May 06 20:37:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I get headache trying to wrap my head around this gibberish
May 06 20:38:10 <DocScrutinizer05> too much martian logic in there
May 06 20:39:09 <DocScrutinizer05> sinks sound like they should be sources, and vice versa. different profiles look identical despite working absolutely different. ASO
May 06 20:41:18 <DocScrutinizer05> [device]                                                                                                                                                                                      
May 06 20:41:20 <DocScrutinizer05> type  = bta2dp                                                                                                                                                                                
May 06 20:41:21 <DocScrutinizer05> sink  = name@startswith:"bluez_sink"                                                                                                                                                          
May 06 20:41:23 <DocScrutinizer05> WAAAAAAH!
May 06 20:41:31 <bencoh> ewww
May 06 20:41:57 <DocScrutinizer05> good luck with REing that syntax/semantics
May 06 20:42:17 <DocScrutinizer05> looks roundabout a magnitude worse than ALSA
May 06 20:44:42 <DocScrutinizer05> another nice one: 
May 06 20:44:43 <DocScrutinizer05> [stream]                                                                                                                                                                                      
May 06 20:44:45 <DocScrutinizer05> #exe     = hildon-home                                                                                                                                                                        
May 06 20:44:47 <DocScrutinizer05> property = event.id@equals:"alarm-clock-elapsed"                                                                                                                                              
May 06 20:44:48 <DocScrutinizer05> group    = alarm                                                                                                                                                                              
May 06 20:45:13 <DocScrutinizer05> is #exe a comment now, or a valid syntactical active element
May 06 20:45:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
May 06 20:45:49 <DocScrutinizer05> the former, according to #exe     = any app using libhildon 
May 06 20:45:57 <sixwheeledbeast> I also was wondering what commented out some values.
May 06 20:46:01 <DocScrutinizer05> though.... X-P
May 06 20:46:24 <bencoh> oO
May 06 20:46:27 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe "any app using libhildon" is a valid syntax in this 
May 06 20:46:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
May 06 20:46:44 <bencoh> nowaynowaynoway
May 06 20:46:51 <DocScrutinizer05> hehehe
May 06 20:47:38 <DocScrutinizer05> property = media.role@equals:"dialog-question" 
May 06 20:48:25 <DocScrutinizer05> duck and cover!!
May 06 20:48:32 <DocScrutinizer05> [stream]                                                                                                                                                                                      
May 06 20:48:34 <DocScrutinizer05> exe   = maemo-xinput-sounds                                                                                                                                                                   
May 06 20:48:35 <DocScrutinizer05> group = inputsound 
May 06 20:49:57 <DocScrutinizer05> [stream]                                                                                                                                                                                      
May 06 20:49:59 <DocScrutinizer05> name  = "output of sink.music"                                                                                                                                                                
May 06 20:50:00 <DocScrutinizer05> group = internal
May 06 20:50:16 * DocScrutinizer05 starts headdesking
May 06 20:51:17 <DocScrutinizer05> [stream]                                                                                                                                                                                      
May 06 20:51:19 <DocScrutinizer05> name  = "Simultaneous output on ALSA PCM on hw:0 () via DMA"                                                                                                                                  
May 06 20:51:20 <DocScrutinizer05> group = internal  
May 06 20:51:31 <DocScrutinizer05> WTF now
May 06 20:52:07 <Ashley`> you know youre pasting a lot of trailing whitespace, right? :s
May 06 20:52:53 <DocScrutinizer05> this sounds semi-reasonable:
May 06 20:52:54 <DocScrutinizer05> [stream]  
May 06 20:52:56 <DocScrutinizer05> property = application.process.arg0@equals:"/usr/bin/Mahjong"                                                                                                                                 
May 06 20:52:57 <DocScrutinizer05> group    = game 
May 06 20:53:09 <DocScrutinizer05> Ashley`: yup, sorry, mc
May 06 20:54:30 <Ashley`> what's that thing that those configs belong to?
May 06 20:55:47 <vdv> freemangordon, should i edit /etc/pulse/xpolicy.conf directly?
May 06 20:56:08 <vdv> and, where to put my new section for espeak?
May 06 20:56:41 <vdv> freemangordon, should i restart some service after editing? restart?
May 06 20:58:48 <DocScrutinizer05>  this /etc/pulse/system.pa gives away a *few* details at least, so it starts making sense to wonder
May 06 20:59:14 <DocScrutinizer05> Ashley`: PukeAudio
May 06 20:59:20 <Ashley`> lol
May 06 21:00:08 <vdv> hmm.. too complicated
May 06 21:05:01 <DocScrutinizer05> well, at least it seems /etc/pulse/system.pa is kinda "standard" (though I never heard of it since I avoid touching Polypaudio by all means). So odds are it *might* have a manpage or sth
May 06 21:05:31 <DocScrutinizer05> fsck PA
May 06 21:07:01 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL!!
May 06 21:07:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ### Sink for playing ringtones to both IHF and BT/HSP
May 06 21:07:12 <DocScrutinizer05> load-module module-combine sink_name=sink.hw0andhw1 slaves=sink.hw0,sink.hw1 slave_amps=0,-28 resample_method=trivial adjust_time=1
May 06 21:07:39 <DocScrutinizer05> so much for PA's awesome capability to hotplug/switch audio sinks
May 06 21:08:51 <DocScrutinizer05> vdv: something for you ;-D  -->
May 06 21:08:55 <DocScrutinizer05> .ifexists module-esound-protocol-unix.so                                                                                                                                                      
May 06 21:08:56 <DocScrutinizer05> load-module module-esound-protocol-unix                                                                                                                                                       
May 06 21:08:58 <DocScrutinizer05> .endif                                                                                                                                                                                        
May 06 21:09:24 <vdv> it's in system.pa and commented?
May 06 21:09:38 <DocScrutinizer05> not commented, but yup there
May 06 21:09:52 <vdv> and what i should do?
May 06 21:10:06 <vdv> move it to xpolicy?
May 06 21:10:44 <DocScrutinizer05> HAHA! load-module module-policy-enforcement null_sink_name=sink.null
May 06 21:11:24 <DocScrutinizer05> vdv: I have no clue, but it sounds like a module that's optional and would collaborate with espeak when loaded
May 06 21:11:54 <DocScrutinizer05> so I'd suggest to see how to talk to friggin PA nad them make sure this module gets loaded
May 06 21:12:39 <DocScrutinizer05> but honestly, I do NOT recommend/suggest to bother about any of that stuff. Others used espeak before you
May 06 21:12:59 <vdv> which search term to use?
May 06 21:13:11 <vdv> espeak esd
May 06 21:17:22 <DocScrutinizer05> I *love* the name module-nokia-audiots.so - always read that as audidiots
May 06 21:17:49 <DocScrutinizer05> can't help it
May 06 21:19:31 <RiD> it wasted destined to be
May 06 21:19:59 <RiD> ...typos. I give up.
May 06 21:21:03 <DocScrutinizer05> vdv: anyway I'd think if you *really* want to look into this stuff, the file /etc/pulse/x-maemo-match.table and the .desktop X-MAEMO-??????? properties might be worth it giving it a thought
May 06 21:22:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I haven't wrapped my head around it completely yet, but it kinda looks promising
May 06 21:24:24 <vdv> that file has only 5 lines
May 06 21:25:46 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, but it somewhat defines a process and the role it should have, and does so only for processes that don't come with a .desktop file
May 06 21:25:53 <DocScrutinizer05> aiui
May 06 21:26:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and that X-MAEMO is an element typically found in .desktop
May 06 21:27:00 <DocScrutinizer05> the last line ". x-maemo" sounds kinda intriguing
May 06 21:27:12 <wjt> hi, I want to allow someone to take over my package: http://maemo.org/packages/view/sojourner/ . Is there anything I have to do to grant them permission to upload?
May 06 21:27:12 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather promising
May 06 21:27:52 <DocScrutinizer05> err, I think you can do that via admin on the page
May 06 21:28:37 <wjt> on which page?
May 06 21:29:00 <wjt> (the word "admin" does not appear on that page)
May 06 21:29:57 <DocScrutinizer05> I think the one who wants admin right needs to click "Request to be maintainer of this package"
May 06 21:30:16 <wjt> ah, on that page?
May 06 21:30:20 <DocScrutinizer05> this might send an email to you, asking you to click another link to grant
May 06 21:30:43 <DocScrutinizer05> I never did it, so this is all wild guessing
May 06 21:30:46 <wjt> ok :)
May 06 21:31:42 <DocScrutinizer05> I know I received messages about approving such requests in my role as admin of garage, when I been 
May 06 21:32:09 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/
May 06 21:32:32 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno if you can see that page and what it looks like for you
May 06 21:32:53 <DocScrutinizer05> or if you need to use a slightly different URL
May 06 21:33:20 <DocScrutinizer05> if you fail, ping me and I'll approve it for you
May 06 21:33:28 <wjt> okay, this sounds plausible. I have no pending maintainer requests but I have asked the new-maintainer-to-be to request to be added
May 06 21:33:30 <wjt> many thanks!
May 06 21:33:50 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
May 06 21:35:51 <DocScrutinizer05> who's Grzegorz Gidel
May 06 21:45:38 <vdv> how can i "reset" sound card ?
May 06 21:46:05 <vdv> i.e. kill resources that use it?
May 06 21:47:37 <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, dbus pause call to media player doesn't free dsp device
May 06 21:47:56 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
May 06 21:48:12 <DocScrutinizer05> you're not supposed to "free dsp device"
May 06 21:48:39 <vdv> simply didn't know how to figure it out correctly
May 06 21:48:47 <DocScrutinizer05> you're supposed to use a proper PukeAudio sink that mixes in to the stream PA already created to the soundcard
May 06 21:49:29 <vdv> pressing pause button in media player "ends" that stream
May 06 21:49:33 <DocScrutinizer05> using audiocard (aka DSP) directly is what esd aka esound(?) does
May 06 21:49:34 <vdv> dbus call not
May 06 21:49:36 <DocScrutinizer05> deprecated
May 06 21:50:26 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, there's a function difference between GUI and dbus? that's BAD[TM]
May 06 21:50:33 <vdv> yep
May 06 21:50:37 <DocScrutinizer05> though it's irrelevant for you
May 06 21:51:09 <vdv> i'm still trying to get old approach to work
May 06 21:51:18 <vdv> pause, espeak, resume
May 06 21:51:23 <DocScrutinizer05> use playsound or whatever, instead of espeak audio output
May 06 21:51:54 <DocScrutinizer05> pacat prolly also doesn'T work the way you suspect it should
May 06 21:52:00 <vdv> can play-sound read from stdin?
May 06 21:52:10 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, afaik it can
May 06 21:52:26 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise just create a pipe
May 06 21:53:13 <DocScrutinizer05> what's been the syntax? sth like play-sound <$(espeak foo bar); ?
May 06 21:54:07 <vdv> found this: espeak -v de --stdout "Hallo Welt" |gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert!autoaudiosink 
May 06 21:54:11 <vdv> with gstreamer-tools
May 06 21:54:23 <DocScrutinizer05> check tmo threads, the solution is there, _somewhere_
May 06 21:54:36 <vdv> easy to say )
May 06 21:54:37 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds good
May 06 21:58:53 <DocScrutinizer05> xes_ to the rescue! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1150178#post1150178
May 06 22:02:13 <vdv> gst-launch doesn't work with following call: espeak -s 150 -p 65 -v mb-de7 -q --pho  "Ich liebe dich"  | mbrola -v 1.5 -e /home/user/MyDocs/voices/de7 -  | gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink
May 06 22:02:41 <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, with -q --pho flags of espeak
May 06 22:03:18 <sixwheeledbeast>  DocScrutinizer05: Grzegorz Gidel is gidzzz aka OMP maintainer.
May 06 22:03:26 <sixwheeledbeast> AFAIL
May 06 22:03:28 <sixwheeledbeast> K
May 06 22:03:31 <sixwheeledbeast> doh
May 06 22:05:21 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: thanks
May 06 22:05:38 <DocScrutinizer05> vdv: you might need to escape the \! ?
May 06 22:06:11 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: he will wish to maintain them packages as he also looks after pidgin for maemo
May 06 22:08:39 <sixwheeledbeast> currently he is only approved maintainer for pidgin main package and not the rest.
May 06 22:17:26 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=577660&highlight=xpolicy.conf#post577660 <-espeak-caller python script
May 06 22:18:08 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: you suggest to approve all his maintainer requests?
May 07 00:03:48 <xes_> hi DocScrutinizer05! The command line i saved in the espeak  archive was a script called readme.sh --> espeak -v mb-it4 -s 130 -p 60 -g 2 "$@"
May 07 00:05:51 <xes_> this was enough to use the N900 to read any text argument passed to the script
May 07 00:06:09 <xes_> now i should check/remember the exact folders setup to make it work in a proper way 
May 07 00:14:17 <xes_> i have everything in /opt/espeak/data/mbrola   and  /opt/espeak/data/mbrola_ph  with a symbolik link:  /usr/share/mbrola -> /opt/espeak/data/mbrola   ..and the mbrola binary in /usr/bin. Done
May 07 00:18:21 <xes_> Then try:  espeak -v mb-it4 -s 130 -p 60 -g 2 "Buonanotte maemo"       and you should ear the synthetized voice from the N900. The quality is pretty good, but you can adjust the speed to match your preferences 
May 07 00:20:57 <xes_> if you obtain a strange error like "mbrola: Binary number format error"    Check the paths, mbrola can't find the files (for my example you need the file:  /usr/share/mbrola/it4/it4 )
May 07 00:22:18 <DocScrutinizer05> xes_: the probvlem seems to be that a started mediaplayer occupies the soundcard resource, making espeak blow chunks
May 07 00:24:04 <DocScrutinizer05> and I'm pretty sure I seen sth like espeak --foo --bar -D stdout | play-sound --  or sth like that
May 07 00:30:22 <xes_> have you tried this?   espeak -v en --stdout "Hello world" | gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink
May 07 00:31:10 <xes_> ^anyway,  fixing espeak mbrola parameters
May 07 00:45:27 <xes_> then, there is also the gst-plugins-espeak:  http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/gst-plugins-espeak/gst-plugins-espeak-0.3.5.tar.gz  that builds (and works) without problems into maemo
May 07 00:45:40 <xes_> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/gst-plugins-espeak
May 07 00:59:16 <DocScrutinizer05> cool
May 07 01:06:19 <DocScrutinizer05> [2014-05-07 Wed 00:02:13] <vdv> gst-launch doesn't work with following call: espeak -s 150 -p 65 -v mb-de7 -q --pho  "Ich liebe dich"  | mbrola -v 1.5 -e /home/user/MyDocs/voices/de7 -  | gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink
May 07 01:11:19 <xes_> espeak > 1.44 has already support for mbrola (if available in system paths) so you don't need to pipe to mbrola (afaik)         
May 07 01:15:19 <xes_> probably the right way to manage things is using libplayback: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67157
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