**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 07 02:59:58 2014 May 07 06:55:38 DocScrutinizer05: I am not sure about the top two but definitely the others will be fine. May 07 13:38:53 merlin1991: ^^^ ? May 07 13:39:38 hm? May 07 13:40:22 http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ who's Grzegorz Gidel DocScrutinizer05: Grzegorz Gidel is gidzzz aka OMP maintainer. May 07 13:41:24 DocScrutinizer05: he will wish to maintain them packages as he also looks after pidgin for maemo . currently he is only approved maintainer for pidgin main package and not the rest. sixwheeledbeast: you suggest to approve all his maintainer requests? May 07 13:42:42 ah since he's maintainer of the main one I'll approve the rest, they all build from the same source May 07 13:45:44 ta May 07 13:46:05 done May 07 13:49:09 nooooo May 07 13:49:39 what? May 07 13:49:45 infobot May 07 13:49:48 :D May 07 13:56:42 * DocScrutinizer05 humms "the rise of the robots" May 07 13:58:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP3s927iq5M May 07 14:13:18 thanks for joining, infobot May 07 14:13:18 DocScrutinizer05: sure thing May 07 14:18:47 FSCK!!!!! just received the invoice for scratchbox.org domain for next year May 07 14:19:25 "paid till 31.3.2015" May 07 14:21:31 :-S May 07 14:21:57 another 15 bucks HiFo will never refund me May 07 14:24:31 ooops, and I forgot meeting yesterday May 07 14:26:01 meh! May 07 15:08:35 Ah, gidzzz's maintainer requests sorted. Thanks. I have not had chance to find out who the other two requests are from. May 07 17:21:05 seems Nokia again is on a crusade to tear down everything with 'maemo' in the name. Please everybody who cares do backups of stuff like maemo.gtorious.org and of course of all the base repos May 07 17:23:03 since a coupkle of weeks they announced to expect having finalized the sellout of Nokia to M$ until end of April, this doesn't really come by surprise May 07 17:23:18 a couple of* May 07 17:29:25 What made you notice their crusade? May 07 17:30:10 a question from HiFo May 07 17:33:38 seems some pretty clueless dudes in M$okia think they can "shut down" maemo.gitorious.org. I suspect lawyers being the main protagonists behind all that May 07 17:34:25 I see. May 07 17:34:49 Did you actually manage to take a time off? :o May 07 17:35:25 they are supposed to sift through the Nokia assets heritage and clean up all ballast May 07 17:35:34 alas not May 07 17:36:15 I guess it needs some accident or whatever to make me take such time off May 07 17:37:23 Yeah, they probably assume that everything that mentions maemo is theirs. May 07 17:37:30 yep May 07 17:37:51 lawyers :-x May 07 17:38:43 Too bad, I was hoping that would work out, since you seem to work pretty much 24/7 and that can't be good. :o May 07 17:39:49 anyway odds are the lawyers tell a trainee "discontinue resp shut down maemo.gitorious.org please!" and that poor dude doesn't know better than just deleting everything from gitorious he finds there and has administration permissions to May 07 17:40:54 and that gives some perspective on the future of maemo.nokia.com we got to anticipate May 07 17:41:14 Mhm. May 07 17:41:32 unlike gitorious they are well capable to shut down that stuff in a blink of the eye May 07 17:43:34 well, I'm not sure if they are really capable - I witnessed some situations that suggest they might not be - but for sure they have the power and they own that stuff and thus are in control of it, even when they maybe lack experts to actually execute such control May 07 17:44:52 once they found the server room they always can pull the plugs May 07 17:46:13 and "they" quite easily could be some technicians M$ sent to ex-Nokia Oy to cleanup and do the move May 07 17:49:39 If HiFo was a skilled negotiator, they had offered a contract to Nokia (during the time Nokia still existed) to take over *all* maemo related stuff and take 100% responsibility to not deploy any proprietary stuff they are not legally allowed to (e.g. adobe's flash plugin, TI's PVR lib) May 07 17:50:54 Nokia lawyers should've been grateful for getting rid of all the responsibility and probably had accepted that agreement May 07 17:54:55 with a fund of 1GBP HiFo could've established a British Limited (or with 1, actually maybe 300 EUR, the german analogy, a UG/GmbH) and thus any excessive risks from such agreement to HiFo could have limited and handled by such commercial entity May 07 17:56:25 I actually think Nokia hoped for something like this, a maybe 18 months back May 07 18:15:00 Didn't HiFo think of that or why didn't that happen? May 07 18:19:52 I don't know May 07 18:21:54 lufu: (24/7) I'm afraid I meanwhile got addicted to it May 07 18:23:20 and of course the stuff on my plate would suffice for 48/7 May 07 18:23:48 beter busy than bored May 07 18:23:53 better* May 07 18:30:46 Sure, I just hope you notice it before it becomes too much. May 07 18:31:23 seems I somehow do. when it actually already became too much May 07 18:32:24 Was it at that point possible to reduce/delegate the workload? May 07 18:32:47 but I'm about to actively reduce the number of topics I have to care about May 07 18:33:13 I mean, you are doing such a great work, it would be... well heartbreaking if you would damage yourself in the whole process. May 07 18:33:40 e.g. I stepped down from maemo management coordination, and a few more weeks and I'm also rid of council May 07 18:34:39 I see, I hope that helps. May 07 18:35:06 yeah, it does. Though effect taken slowly May 07 18:35:36 but things start to normalize May 07 18:36:25 and many thanks for your concerns regarding my health :) May 07 18:36:57 Mhm, sounds good. I hope that's enough but your are the only one that appraise that. May 07 18:38:04 Sure thing! ;o May 07 18:56:20 hmmpf **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 08 02:59:58 2014