**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 18 02:59:59 2014
May 18 04:47:14 <okias> Hey guys, did someone tried use LTO on N900?
May 18 04:48:06 <okias> as my quick test on x86_64 showed, it nicely reduce binary size even with older gcc 4.8.2 and with 4.9.0 it should be much better! :)
May 18 04:48:18 <okias> it could help reduce N900 memory pressure
May 18 07:26:46 <SAiF> link to  flasher3.5.tar.gz  please.
May 18 07:47:20 <Ashley`> ~flasher
May 18 07:47:21 <infobot> flasher is probably at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
May 18 07:47:55 <Ashley`> why dontcha google
May 18 07:49:05 <Ashley`> and you came here like into a bar: "whiskey & cola please"
May 18 07:49:15 <SAiF> haha.. 
May 18 07:49:17 <SAiF> sorry..
May 18 07:49:33 <SAiF> and thanks.. 
May 18 07:49:38 <SAiF> my mistake. 
May 18 07:50:12 <Ashley`> :P
May 18 08:28:49 <sixwheeledbeast> Ashley`: you still served, that's the maemo community bar for you ;)
May 18 13:18:02 <Sicelo> hi
May 18 13:18:20 <Sicelo> is repo having a problem, or it's my connection?
May 18 13:19:12 <Sicelo> Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (213.128.137.22). - connect (111 Connection refused)
May 18 13:22:34 <Sicelo> but
May 18 13:24:01 <Sicelo> the ones from nokia.com work
May 18 13:24:04 <bencoh> looks like it works here
May 18 13:24:58 <Sicelo> ok. thanks for confirming. :)
May 18 14:45:47 <kerio> okias: i think cssu-thumb uses gcc 4.7
May 18 14:45:59 <kerio> freemangordon: pls giff gcc 4.9
May 18 15:29:14 <okias> kerio: I finally get to installing debian/scratchbox, so I wonder, where should I put new software (it may require update lot system packages)
May 18 15:29:48 <okias> I want put in n900 my preferred desktop (cmdline) sw :)
May 18 15:32:09 <freemangordon> kerio: do you know how to build it and make a deb for scratchbox?
May 18 15:32:50 <kerio> mmh
May 18 15:32:52 <kerio> make?
May 18 15:32:53 <kerio> :3
May 18 15:33:16 <kerio> i don't even know if it'll work with our ancient libraries
May 18 15:33:21 <kerio> ...wait
May 18 15:33:42 <kerio> why do we need to build gcc 4.9?
May 18 15:35:52 <okias> kerio: for n900? better LTO, which could _reduce_ binary size :)
May 18 15:36:02 <kerio> no, we need to *use* gcc 4.9
May 18 15:36:18 <okias> oh, yes :)
May 18 15:36:24 <okias> I'd say 100%
May 18 15:37:07 <okias> if no-one step up, I'll try get gcc 4.9 working somehow, but not much knowledge about scratchbox, so it make takes while
May 18 15:38:14 <freemangordon> okias: dunno about 4.9, but in 4.7 lto sucks
May 18 15:39:01 <okias> freemangordon: well, 4.7 was weak, for 4.8.2 on my desktop machine I got for reduce approximatelly 5-20%
May 18 15:39:11 <freemangordon> x86?
May 18 15:39:20 <okias> for n900 with less memory it could be very nice suprise :)
May 18 15:39:24 <okias> x86_64
May 18 15:39:31 <freemangordon> what about ARM?
May 18 15:39:42 <okias> in fact, I didn't found anything about ARM, but... let's test and we'll see :)
May 18 15:39:55 <freemangordon> BTW I still should have *some* instructions how to build 4.7.2
May 18 15:40:08 <freemangordon> lemme try to find them
May 18 15:40:21 <okias> I going afk for 45-120 minutes :)
May 18 16:32:27 <wizbit> im using opera 12 as my browser, however, it doesnt recognize flash
May 18 16:32:39 <wizbit> do i need to install flash manually for it to work with it
May 18 16:34:15 <Ashley`> opera doesnt have flash support i think
May 18 16:36:47 <wizbit> aye ok
May 18 16:36:59 <okias> back again :)
May 18 16:38:16 <wizbit> :)
May 18 16:38:22 <wizbit> are droid fonts worth installing?
May 18 16:38:50 <okias> wizbit: I guess, just check them on computer :)
May 18 16:39:04 <okias> also there is new font from KDE Frameworks, named Oxygen :)
May 18 16:39:12 <wizbit> ace
May 18 16:39:13 <okias> (also looking very good)
May 18 16:39:21 <wizbit> do they change the whole desktop appearance?
May 18 16:40:11 <okias> probably not until you change it manually by some tool ( just guessing, not sure if I recall correctly)
May 18 16:43:12 <okias> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1423469 hoho, gcc 4.9! :)
May 18 17:06:33 <okias> http://talk.maemo.org/register.php?do=register You have left a required field blank. ... :'(
May 18 17:08:01 <RiD> lol when i clicked that, "You have chosen not to accept the forum rules, so registration cannot continue." appeared
May 18 17:08:25 <okias> http://talk.maemo.org/register.php?do=signup
May 18 17:08:31 <okias> you need check that checkbox
May 18 17:08:36 <okias> but still, it won't pass me
May 18 17:08:46 <okias> tried chrome and firefox
May 18 17:12:38 <DocScrutinizer05> check your cookie settngs, delete old stale cookies
May 18 17:16:20 <okias> : This script should NOT be run as user root.
May 18 17:16:35 <okias> I installed sudo because of this, but still, exactly by http://wiki.maemo.org/Building_a_Virtual_Machine_for_Maemo_development
May 18 17:16:57 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
May 18 17:17:02 <okias> without sudo it's fine
May 18 17:17:37 <okias> is howto wrong, or I'm ?
May 18 17:18:06 <okias> DocScrutinizer05: about cookies.. ok, i'll try
May 18 17:19:24 <DocScrutinizer05> sth terribly messed up with some maemo/nokia account/registration webpages, they place cookies like "session-timed-out" that never get removed or updated
May 18 17:19:30 <okias> and.. nope, cookies didn't helped
May 18 17:20:55 <DocScrutinizer05> cookies always help, at least for me ;-) particularly peanut-cookies
May 18 17:21:09 <DocScrutinizer05> did you check for any stale cookies and deleted them?
May 18 17:22:32 <DocScrutinizer05> (I#m not sure your problem actually caused by cookie handling or stale cookies. I just recall to have seen such problems)
May 18 17:23:06 <okias> DocScrutinizer05: I deleted everything from FF
May 18 17:23:15 <okias> it just wont let me, try for yourself 
May 18 17:23:16 <kerio> i hope you backed that stuff up
May 18 17:24:19 <okias> P.S. I really hope that maemo script will run without sudo
May 18 17:24:33 <okias> it already downloaded and did lot of work
May 18 17:25:28 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=70417  Join Date: 2014-05-18
May 18 17:28:18 <okias> still it sees some blank field :(
May 18 17:31:15 <DocScrutinizer05> pester tmo maintainer about it!
May 18 17:32:25 <DocScrutinizer05> he happens to hang out here known as chem|st
May 18 17:35:42 <DocScrutinizer05> if feasible, change your public IP - you might have run into a spamblocker/botfilter
May 18 17:38:08 <DocScrutinizer05> it's pretty unfortunate that tmo has a record of annoying new users like that
May 18 17:40:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno what's the problem with fixing that, or at least share a friendly note on the registering page mentioning the possible problem, the cause, and what user could do to recover from it
May 18 17:42:33 <okias> DocScrutinizer05: my ip wont change, I have static
May 18 17:42:59 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: ^^^ could you help?
May 18 17:43:29 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st: ^^^
May 18 17:43:34 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: ^^^
May 18 17:51:17 <okias> cssu into scratchbox, do anyone has that line to apt.d ?
May 18 17:51:40 <okias> * sources.list.d
May 18 17:53:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think there's such thing
May 18 17:54:27 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu doesn't offer any new dependencies. IOW no project should depend on CSSU
May 18 17:54:42 <DocScrutinizer05> generally speaking
May 18 17:54:51 <okias> done, ok
May 18 17:56:18 <okias> I want compare some latest cssu packages against new builded with lto
May 18 17:56:53 <okias> btw. now slowly thinking about injecting gcc-4.9 runtime into n900 + installing it into scratchbox
May 18 18:06:58 <okias> where is cssu? http://maemo.org/packages/view/libpixman-1-0/ I can't find it
May 18 18:23:33 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
May 18 18:24:22 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu isn't in package manager, since it's not a regular repo neither distro
May 18 18:25:32 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu is kind of special, working as a supplement to base repositories
May 18 18:26:44 <DocScrutinizer05> and there's neither a source repo nor autobuilder nor access via package interface to it
May 18 18:28:25 <DocScrutinizer05> packages for binary cssu repo get built locally by the maintainers and then uploaded to repository.maemo.org 
May 18 18:29:03 <DocScrutinizer05> much like Nokia did with their packages in the base repos
May 18 18:31:48 <DocScrutinizer05> see e.g. http://maemo.org/packages/view/cssufeatures/ for "normals" non-system packages that are CSSU and still get built and deployed via maemo-extras repo. NB without any dependencies to CSSU, the autobuilder doesn't even know what's CSSU
May 18 18:34:07 <okias> how to set default gcc in scratchbox to 4.6 at least for start?
May 18 18:35:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ask freemangordon
May 18 18:41:07 <DocScrutinizer05> note there's no CSSU in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/
May 18 18:41:59 <DocScrutinizer05> neither in http://repository.maemo.org/
May 18 18:43:52 <DocScrutinizer05> neither in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle-1.3/
May 18 18:44:05 <DocScrutinizer05> err http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/
May 18 18:47:05 <xes> okias: could you retry with the register page?
May 18 18:47:16 <DocScrutinizer05> hi xes :-)
May 18 18:47:22 <xes> hi DocScrutinizer05! 
May 18 18:47:44 <okias> still You have left a required field blank. :'(
May 18 18:48:41 <DocScrutinizer05> okias: xes is one of our maemo.org sysops, I guess he's just about to look at a wireshark screen
May 18 18:48:56 <okias> :D
May 18 18:49:01 <DocScrutinizer05> give him some time
May 18 18:50:28 <DocScrutinizer05> okias: please stay tuned to help tracking down the issue, if you can spare the time
May 18 18:50:44 <okias> yy
May 18 18:50:52 <okias> btw. just installing python 2.5
May 18 18:51:02 <okias> because python 2.3 seems little bit unsupported these days
May 18 18:52:18 <kerio> :c
May 18 18:52:28 <DocScrutinizer05> .oO(???)
May 18 18:52:56 <kerio> btw, daily reminder that python 2.7 was released in july 2010
May 18 18:53:12 <okias> :D
May 18 18:53:19 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, I think 2.5 is standard on maemo fremantle, no?
May 18 18:53:21 <kerio> python 2.5 is from september 2006
May 18 18:53:42 <okias> btw. that's weird
May 18 18:53:49 <okias> on my n900 I have 2.5.4
May 18 18:53:57 <okias> but in scratchbox is default 2.3
May 18 18:54:04 <DocScrutinizer05>  /opt/pymaemo/usr/lib/python2.5 on /usr/lib/python2.5 type bind (bind)
May 18 18:54:38 <okias> and I can't see any upgrade to 2.5 (only python2.5)
May 18 18:54:41 <DocScrutinizer05> scratchbox is terribly outdated, you need to do a proper update to PR1.3 I guess
May 18 18:55:00 <kerio> does someone actually want to deal with scratchbox?
May 18 18:55:03 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, no SB expert here
May 18 18:55:18 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: what else?
May 18 18:55:24 <okias> kerio: do you have any better ideas?
May 18 18:55:31 <okias> I didn't found much interesting docs about it
May 18 18:55:49 <kerio> i dunno, a standard maemo install with the dev tools
May 18 18:55:57 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
May 18 18:56:56 <kerio> install maemo in a VM with more space than a n900
May 18 18:57:02 <kerio> and install gcc and the -dev packages
May 18 18:57:27 <okias> kerio: is somewhere any reasonable manual for that?
May 18 18:57:34 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, feasible. If you wanna compile stuff on a 600MHz ARM with 256MB of real RAM
May 18 18:57:50 <kerio> i'm going to assume that the VM will also have a faster cpu with more ram
May 18 18:57:58 <DocScrutinizer05> aha
May 18 18:58:18 <DocScrutinizer05> so that VM is not called scratchbox by any chance?
May 18 18:58:31 <kerio> nope!
May 18 18:58:46 <kerio> for instance, it's not x86
May 18 18:58:46 <okias> pardon me guys, is there any howto? ;)
May 18 18:59:05 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: nfc what you're talking about
May 18 18:59:19 <DocScrutinizer05> okias: howto for what?
May 18 18:59:24 <okias> in fact, there should be almost no-effort put in managing running DEV environment, to _encourage_ people do work :)
May 18 18:59:37 <kerio> okias: well, scratchbox does work with almost no effort
May 18 18:59:44 <kerio> there's the virtualbox image for that
May 18 18:59:47 <DocScrutinizer05> that's the idea
May 18 18:59:49 <xes> okias: DocScrutinizer05: the problem seems intermitten and related to the anti captcha module slow or not loading correctly. Check if you can open the address  "http://api.recaptcha.net/challenge?k=6LfiVucSAAAAAP1Abdlazjqh3xJs-Oi-s7rZG_0V" 
May 18 18:59:50 <okias> well, "install maemo in a VM" is not much exactly way
May 18 18:59:53 <kerio> i'm not entirely sure how updated it is, tho
May 18 19:00:11 <okias> kerio: well, then we should _mark_ wiki pages as obsolete
May 18 19:00:31 <xes> ^ now redirected to a google api page
May 18 19:00:34 <okias> (wiki pages pointing to install scratchbox env)
May 18 19:00:53 <DocScrutinizer05> okias: could you please stop that chatter with kerio and help xes?
May 18 19:00:54 <okias> xes: good :) thank you
May 18 19:01:03 <chem|st> okias: did you manage to register now? what is the problem?
May 18 19:01:17 <okias> chem|st: now I can see username, etc. dialog
May 18 19:01:24 <okias> so it look better than before, give me few sec
May 18 19:01:53 <chem|st> browser cache is screwing the fields up...
May 18 19:02:10 <xes> hi chem|st! Could you check the link for the anti captcha module? Maybe it should be updated
May 18 19:02:30 <okias> chem|st: well, I tried two browsers, it hasn't been caused by cache ;)
May 18 19:03:09 <wizbit> i forgot about dropbox, i wonder if there is a client
May 18 19:05:20 <chem|st> okias: if you browsed the site on the browser before it will have the same problem
May 18 19:05:36 <chem|st> nvm, did you register now?
May 18 19:05:44 <chem|st> yet?
May 18 19:05:51 <okias> chem|st: xes: yes, perfectly, thank you guys! :)
May 18 19:06:02 <chem|st> xes: captcha is fine
May 18 19:06:51 <chem|st> okias: good
May 18 19:06:54 <okias> kerio: can you give me some link, where should I start?
May 18 19:07:21 <xes> chem|st: i loaded the page for 3 times with the captcha block completely missing
May 18 19:07:25 <kerio> for the vm?
May 18 19:07:36 <kerio> http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/
May 18 19:07:37 <DocScrutinizer05> okias: kerio is notorious for his very own approach to many common problems
May 18 19:07:54 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: pleeease
May 18 19:08:05 <kerio> dude that's the real one
May 18 19:08:13 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: dude that's dead
May 18 19:08:13 <okias> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
May 18 19:08:17 <okias> for start
May 18 19:08:25 <DocScrutinizer05> also dead
May 18 19:08:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~sb
May 18 19:08:32 <infobot> i guess scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
May 18 19:08:44 <okias> well, it's not much funny, it's really discouraging for new devs (I think)
May 18 19:09:07 <DocScrutinizer05> okias: sorry for Nokia lilling all official links
May 18 19:09:12 <DocScrutinizer05> killing
May 18 19:09:24 <DocScrutinizer05> just so much community can do about it
May 18 19:09:33 <okias> can you drop links then?
May 18 19:09:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ^^^
May 18 19:10:00 <DocScrutinizer05> get the VM disk image
May 18 19:10:17 <okias> it look pretty new
May 18 19:10:21 <okias> what changed?
May 18 19:10:37 <DocScrutinizer05> downloaded from somewhere else?
May 18 19:10:53 <okias> so, only because location changed?
May 18 19:11:01 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
May 18 19:11:09 <okias> good to know
May 18 19:12:58 <okias> before I'll go for it (it kills my 2Mbit line), http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation
May 18 19:13:17 <okias> I guess, it's not recommended these days, right?
May 18 19:13:21 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly still the autoritative howto on it
May 18 19:13:49 <DocScrutinizer05> though I doubt all the URLs inside the script still work
May 18 19:14:19 <okias> DocScrutinizer05: well, I'd like to put on beginning it's not recommended anymore, and link to your recommended variant
May 18 19:14:34 <okias> just to prevent people end like me ;)
May 18 19:14:42 <okias> with python2.3 :D
May 18 19:15:17 <DocScrutinizer05> you're welcome to review that wiki page and the scripts tehrein, and update it to work with what we got left over to juggle with nowadays
May 18 19:15:48 <DocScrutinizer05> generally you're supposed to run an update inside scratchbox
May 18 19:16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> but, as mentioned above, I'm no SB expert
May 18 19:16:29 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-get upgrade? nfc
May 18 19:16:35 <okias> DocScrutinizer05: do you know any guys who could tell?
May 18 19:16:44 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: 
May 18 19:16:49 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: 
May 18 19:16:57 <okias> DocScrutinizer05: well, no... apt-get upgrade on actual think wont give me upgrade for python 2.3 -> 2.5
May 18 19:17:12 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
May 18 19:17:28 <DocScrutinizer05> you prolly need to do the equivalent to SSU
May 18 19:17:31 <okias> I'd like to try document _simplest_ way how to get to most actual development system as is possible
May 18 19:17:45 <DocScrutinizer05> to update to maemo PR1.3 level
May 18 19:17:48 <okias> which of course that virtualbox image seems to be
May 18 19:18:31 <DocScrutinizer05> virtualbox is just an easy way to get a plain SB install. It's no way more up to date that what you have right now
May 18 19:19:07 <DocScrutinizer05> you need to do an update inside scratchbox
May 18 19:19:31 <okias> I have idea.. could be missing deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries ?
May 18 19:19:38 <DocScrutinizer05> but that's where my knowledge ends
May 18 19:19:46 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
May 18 19:19:47 <okias> but I guess python _shouldn't_ have any deps on proprietary binaries :D
May 18 19:20:13 <DocScrutinizer05> it pretty sure has
May 18 19:20:34 <DocScrutinizer05> nokia-binaries is what's getting updated
May 18 19:20:51 <DocScrutinizer05> it's the PR1.x
May 18 19:20:56 <DocScrutinizer05> basically
May 18 19:21:05 <okias> but it's non-sense
May 18 19:21:11 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
May 18 19:21:12 <okias> at least for python
May 18 19:21:25 <okias> then there shouldn't be any python
May 18 19:21:31 <DocScrutinizer05> you have no idea what nonsense maemo package management and dependencies is
May 18 19:22:00 <DocScrutinizer05> whole maemo is one huge metapackage, and that's it
May 18 19:22:16 <okias> well, I have very simple plan... get this **** think working, rebuild sw with 4.9 and make new repository
May 18 19:22:31 <okias> of course only for opensource sw
May 18 19:22:47 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# apt-cache search mp-fremantle
May 18 19:22:48 <DocScrutinizer05> mp-fremantle-generic-pr - 
May 18 19:22:50 <DocScrutinizer05> mp-fremantle-community-pr - Community SSU package, includes latest fixes from Gitorious and the community
May 18 19:23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-generic-pr
May 18 19:23:54 <DocScrutinizer05> mp-fremantle-generic-pr:
May 18 19:23:56 <DocScrutinizer05>   Installed: (none)
May 18 19:23:57 <DocScrutinizer05>   Candidate: 21.2011.38-1
May 18 19:24:13 <DocScrutinizer05> (not installed on my system since I wanted to get procps
May 18 19:24:14 <DocScrutinizer05> )
May 18 19:24:33 <DocScrutinizer05> but once it been installed, or otherwise no maemo in that device
May 18 19:25:06 <DocScrutinizer05> update that in SB and I guess here you are
May 18 19:25:51 <DocScrutinizer05> NB mp-fremantle-community-pr is only *supplementary* to mp-fremantle-generic-pr
May 18 19:26:04 <kerio> ...no it's not?
May 18 19:26:05 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll need the latter one instaled to use the former one
May 18 19:26:15 <kerio> cssu-enabler removes -generic-
May 18 19:26:28 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, but not the packages it consists of
May 18 19:27:12 <DocScrutinizer05> and community-pr afaik doesn't depend on them so they would get updated to latest base repo version
May 18 19:28:01 <DocScrutinizer05> generic-pr installs the maemo system. community-pr just replaces the patched bits
May 18 19:28:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I *could* be wrong on that
May 18 19:28:58 <DocScrutinizer05> for scratchbox it's pretty irrelevant anyway, since usually you're not supposed to develop using CSSU, aiui
May 18 19:29:18 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW don't install community-pr to scratchbox, right?
May 18 19:29:52 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't even want that, since your package is supposed to work on stock maemo as well
May 18 19:30:16 <DocScrutinizer05> CSSU is supposed to be compatible environment for apps built against stock
May 18 19:30:38 <DocScrutinizer05> but stock is not defined as compatible for apps built against CSSU
May 18 19:31:04 <DocScrutinizer05> see my previous remark 
May 18 19:31:09 <okias> for start, good idea would be release something like PR1.4
May 18 19:31:20 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/cssufeatures/
May 18 19:31:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pr1.4
May 18 19:31:32 <infobot> PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject
May 18 19:32:02 <okias> it also show world it's still alive
May 18 19:32:32 <DocScrutinizer05> okias: we CANNOT release PR1.4, since we don't possess the Nokia signing key
May 18 19:32:47 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why we got CSSU
May 18 19:33:07 <okias> interesting and could it be signed by your own key? what happend then?
May 18 19:33:43 <DocScrutinizer05> then the package will not get installed since our repos don't have sufficient trustlevel in HAM
May 18 19:34:03 <okias> and exist any simple way, how to increase trustlevel?
May 18 19:34:08 <DocScrutinizer05> no
May 18 19:34:24 <DocScrutinizer05> the simplest way is what CSSU does
May 18 19:34:36 <okias> hmm
May 18 19:34:39 <okias> there is one option
May 18 19:34:55 <okias> just release whole firmware, to flash?
May 18 19:35:01 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, manual editing, or make every user manually install package ACME-update
May 18 19:35:32 <DocScrutinizer05> or make every user reflash with new firmware package we created, yes
May 18 19:35:47 <DocScrutinizer05> we however wnat to stay compatible for users
May 18 19:35:48 <okias> well, in fact, this could have good spread
May 18 19:36:31 <okias> you know, first user flash PR1.4 (including new keys, fixed repos) and flash after flash there could be lot of "up-dateable" devices
May 18 19:36:55 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, this been evaluated and plumbed together by a bunch of skilled community members and Nokians during almost a year. I don't think we can inprove it now on a sunday evening irc chat
May 18 19:37:15 <okias> well, in fact, I read about Neo900
May 18 19:37:53 <DocScrutinizer05> and I'm afk now, need to star some other tasks, then take care about Neo900 related stuff
May 18 19:39:00 <DocScrutinizer05> and yes, for Neo900 we actually want a "new distro" with own repo and all - though it should stay binbary compatible so users can still use packages from maemo-extras(-*)
May 18 19:39:14 <okias> I just want say.. there is lot of "manpower" in n900, but it's totally fragmented
May 18 19:39:45 <DocScrutinizer05> afk o/
May 18 19:54:10 <DocScrutinizer05> neo-fremantle won't use nokia binaries repos
May 18 19:56:30 <kerio> well, it would be suicide
May 18 19:56:44 <kerio> you need the exact ancient versions of libraries
May 18 19:56:53 <kerio> or compatibility layers
May 18 20:03:19 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: you're aware that libraries are supposed to stay compatible?
May 18 20:03:59 <kerio> backwards compatibility is broken all the time for different reasons
May 18 20:05:03 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html#3.6.
May 18 20:05:19 <DocScrutinizer05> only by idiots
May 18 20:05:41 <DocScrutinizer05> >>When a new version of a library is binary-incompatible with the old one the soname needs to change<<
May 18 20:06:48 <kerio> so why can't we blindly drop in the latest libc in fremantle?
May 18 20:08:05 <DocScrutinizer05> because only a jackass touches libc at all, without extensive tests and a good reason
May 18 20:09:40 <DocScrutinizer05> libc is probably more core than kernel
May 18 20:10:29 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, read that fine tutorial. Instead of stopping me from taking my shower and getting breakfast! :-D
May 18 20:10:55 <okias> kerio: latest libc.. depend what libc :D
May 18 20:11:24 <okias> kerio: for example musl-libc http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html could be very good idea to work with, but 100% needs rebuild of everything, including closedsource blobs :D
May 18 20:33:09 <pug> Hi
May 18 20:33:22 <pug> is anyone of you using Whatsup on MeeGo?
May 18 21:37:56 <Kabouik> Guys, is this site safe? http://bingotrade.agilityhoster.com/product.php?id_product=58 D:
May 18 21:48:16 <DocScrutinizer05> Kabouik: I don't know
May 18 21:48:41 <Kabouik> Because you know, 30€ each, and 5000 units available... Does not sound legit
May 18 21:49:00 <Kabouik> But at this price, I would buy 3 just to have spare units :o
May 18 21:49:24 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly
May 18 21:49:39 <Kabouik> And you would have plenty for the Neo900 project too :P
May 18 21:50:31 <DocScrutinizer05> but!!! http://bingotrade.agilityhoster.com/cms.php?id_cms=4  looks pretty SCAM
May 18 21:50:59 <Kabouik> Haha yes, indeed
May 18 21:51:16 <DocScrutinizer05> http://bingotrade.agilityhoster.com/
May 18 21:51:21 <DocScrutinizer05> lorem ipsum
May 18 21:51:58 <Kabouik> It's still frustrating not to order one just to be sure, but I think I won't try :P
May 18 21:52:03 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Excepteur sint prestashop cupidatat non proident<< wtf?
May 18 21:52:26 <Kabouik> No idea, that's not French, for sure :P
May 18 21:53:16 <Kabouik> By the way DocScrutinizer05, do you know where to purchase non-qwerty keyboards for the N900? I just purchased a qwertz spare N900
May 18 21:53:38 <Kabouik> Maybe you have already investigated stores with N900 parts for your Neo900 project
May 18 21:53:51 <DocScrutinizer05> it's starting to get difficult to get new keymats
May 18 21:54:13 <Kabouik> Yeah and used ones are often for whole used N900, so it's more expensive
May 18 21:56:27 <DocScrutinizer05> haha, google translate thinks it's Galizisch - yet doesn't translate it
May 18 21:56:51 <DocScrutinizer05> Galician
May 18 21:57:05 <DocScrutinizer05> https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#auto/en/Excepteur sint prestashop cupidatat non proident
May 18 21:59:02 <Kabouik> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/for-Nokia-N900-Keypad-black-Colour_346983266.html Don't know if these are real keymats, I guess they are "copies", but they might be worth a try
May 18 21:59:43 <chem|st> xes: first try, captcha there, second try other browser - captcha there, settings lookup - everythign ok...
May 18 22:00:04 <chem|st> even with adblock-plus
May 18 22:01:13 <chem|st> that reads like wfm
May 18 22:02:37 <chem|st> and I get to the register page without any hassle... logout - register - do-not-scroll-terms, checkbox, next - here we go!
May 18 22:03:03 <xes> chem|st: probably it's not a fault into tmo, but a temporary issue with that captcha api. Since the original api link receives a redirect to a google page, _maybe_ that setting the new url could help 
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