**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 22 02:59:58 2014
May 22 03:21:50 <silviof> 05:21
May 22 04:14:47 <DocScrutinizer05> well
May 22 04:15:29 <DocScrutinizer05> [2014-05-22 Thu 00:38:04] <-- infobot (~infobot@rikers.org) has left this server (Ping timeout: 265 seconds).    [2014-05-22 Thu 04:07:51] <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
May 22 04:17:29 <DocScrutinizer05> the problem with infobot is: she's not rejoining/re-authenticating, actually doesn't even detect when getting disconnected
May 22 04:35:13 <Maxdamantus> Does infobot have any regex things accessible?
May 22 04:39:34 <Maxdamantus> purldoc a
May 22 04:42:35 <Maxdamantus> supercalifragilisticexpealidocious
May 22 04:42:44 <Maxdamantus> supercalifragilisticexpealidocious is meh
May 22 04:42:46 <Maxdamantus> supercalifragilisticexpealidocious
May 22 04:42:59 <Maxdamantus> what is supercalifragilisticexpealidocious?
May 22 04:43:35 <Maxdamantus> ~supercalifragilisticexpealidocious is meh
May 22 04:43:39 <Maxdamantus> ~supercalifragilisticexpealidocious
May 22 04:43:40 <infobot> that's too long, Maxdamantus
May 22 04:43:46 <Maxdamantus> :\
May 22 04:44:03 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo is meh
May 22 04:44:06 <infobot> Maxdamantus: okay
May 22 04:44:33 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo =~ s/e./aaa/
May 22 04:44:34 <infobot> that doesn't contain 'e.', Maxdamantus
May 22 04:44:52 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo =~ s/eh/aaa/
May 22 04:44:53 <infobot> OK, Maxdamantus
May 22 04:45:11 <Maxdamantus> ~purldoc a
May 22 04:45:53 <Maxdamantus> ~showdb
May 22 04:47:18 <Maxdamantus> ~whatdbs
May 22 04:47:21 <infobot> dbs is probably Disappearing Browser Syndrome.  Commonly found in most Netscape products.
May 22 04:52:55 <DocScrutinizer05> umm
May 22 04:55:00 <DocScrutinizer05> Maxdamantus: what you're after?
May 22 04:55:20 <Maxdamantus> Just seeing if it has any places for users to write regex.
May 22 04:55:28 <Maxdamantus> in which case you could probably freeze the bot indefinitely.
May 22 04:55:41 <DocScrutinizer05> nope, it doesn't use regex
May 22 04:55:55 <Maxdamantus> Mm .. I think it might be for that reason.
May 22 04:56:15 <DocScrutinizer05> s/ is a fake
May 22 04:56:27 <DocScrutinizer05> s/ake/AKE/
May 22 04:56:31 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: s/ is a fAKE
May 22 04:56:52 <DocScrutinizer05> s/a/A/
May 22 04:56:54 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: s/ is A fake
May 22 04:57:00 <DocScrutinizer05> s/a/A/g
May 22 04:57:02 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: s/ is A fAke
May 22 04:57:11 <Maxdamantus> eg, /(a?){50}a{50}/ will take Perl thousands of years to match "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
May 22 04:57:26 <DocScrutinizer05> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
May 22 04:57:53 <DocScrutinizer05> s/x/asdfghjkl#######1234566#######/g
May 22 04:57:56 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: asdfghjkl#######1234566#######asdfghjkl#######1234566#######asdfghjkl#######1234566#######asdfghjkl#######1234566#######asdfghjkl#######1234566#######asdfghjkl#######1234566#######asdfghjkl#######1234566#######asdfghjkl#######1234566#######asdfghjkl######...
May 22 04:58:15 <Maxdamantus> It's something*1.93902^(x - 22.3872)
May 22 04:58:18 * Maxdamantus calculated it.
May 22 04:59:00 <Maxdamantus> (where `something` is some amount of time, dependent on the machine) and `x` is the number of as.
May 22 04:59:10 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
May 22 04:59:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ibot doesn't do any patterns
May 22 04:59:52 <DocScrutinizer05> simple strcmp()
May 22 04:59:53 <Maxdamantus> For the machine running candide, that was 1.02821 s.
May 22 05:01:03 <Maxdamantus> Oh, that's only 2.84 years.
May 22 05:01:07 <Maxdamantus> (for 50)
May 22 05:01:19 <Maxdamantus> 60 is 2136 years.
May 22 05:02:49 * Maxdamantus wonders if the Perl developers are ever going to fix it.
May 22 05:14:00 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo
May 22 05:14:01 <infobot> i guess testingonetwo is maaa
May 22 05:14:16 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo =~ s/a/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/
May 22 05:14:16 <infobot> Maxdamantus: OK
May 22 05:14:18 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo =~ s/a/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/
May 22 05:14:30 <Maxdamantus> Hm. Throttle.
May 22 05:14:36 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo =~ s/a/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/
May 22 05:14:37 <infobot> OK, Maxdamantus
May 22 05:14:49 * Maxdamantus whistles.
May 22 05:14:58 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo =~ s/a/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/
May 22 05:14:59 <infobot> Maxdamantus: OK
May 22 05:15:07 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo =~ s/a/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/
May 22 05:15:21 <Maxdamantus> Maybe you have to say something inbetween.
May 22 05:15:23 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo =~ s/a/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/
May 22 05:15:24 <infobot> Maxdamantus: OK
May 22 05:15:27 <Maxdamantus> .
May 22 05:15:27 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo =~ s/a/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/
May 22 05:16:24 <Maxdamantus> So it does enforce a maximum length.
May 22 05:16:27 <Maxdamantus> ~testingonetwo =~ s/a/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/
May 22 05:16:29 <infobot> Maxdamantus: that's too long
May 22 05:17:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~query
May 22 05:17:04 <infobot> talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :)
May 22 05:18:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~testingonetwo
May 22 05:19:00 <infobot> i guess testingonetwo is maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
May 22 05:19:09 <Maxdamantus> Apparently the string should be 82 GiB
May 22 05:20:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ~testingonetwo =~ s/m/X/
May 22 05:20:07 <infobot> OK, DocScrutinizer05
May 22 05:20:09 <DocScrutinizer05> ~testingonetwo
May 22 05:20:10 <infobot> hmm... testingonetwo is Xaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
May 22 05:21:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ~forget testingonetwo
May 22 05:21:08 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: i forgot testingonetwo
May 22 05:22:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+status
May 22 05:22:36 <infobot> Since Thu May 22 02:05:48 2014, there have been 2 modifications, 6 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 4 commands.  I have been awake for 3h 16m 48s this session, and currently reference 119268 factoids.  I'm using about 21052 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 19.72/0.61 child 0/0
May 22 05:23:54 <kerio> Maxdamantus: i thought that regular expressions with backreferences just... can't be efficient?
May 22 05:24:32 <DocScrutinizer05> Maxdamantus: btw your string isn't 82GiB - you forgit /g
May 22 05:24:41 <DocScrutinizer05> forgot*
May 22 05:25:40 <DocScrutinizer05> but I'd rather not see you testing it again, bot already told you that string length even for s/// result is limited
May 22 05:25:53 <Maxdamantus> Oh, there's a g.
May 22 05:26:16 <Maxdamantus> kerio: it's not a backreference.
May 22 05:26:27 <Maxdamantus> kerio: and that regex can be efficient.
May 22 05:27:00 <kerio> *that* regex, sure
May 22 05:27:02 <kerio> but in general?
May 22 05:27:03 <Maxdamantus> The hardest bit would be accomodating arbitrary repetition subscripts.
May 22 05:27:20 <Maxdamantus> but if you just expanded it (which works fine with 50), you could keep a cache at each node.
May 22 05:27:44 <Maxdamantus> if you rewrite that regex without the repetition, perl still struggles with it.
May 22 05:27:47 <kerio> regular expressions without backreferences are obviously equivalent to nondeterministic finite automata which are kinda obviously equivalent to deterministic finite automata
May 22 05:27:59 <Maxdamantus> my formula was actually for the expanded form.
May 22 05:28:19 <Maxdamantus> /(a?)(a?)(a?)(a?)(a?)aaaaa/ etc
May 22 05:28:39 <Maxdamantus> in general, yes, you can handle that efficiently.
May 22 05:28:43 <Maxdamantus> in linear time, that is.
May 22 05:29:18 <Maxdamantus> .. and input*regexlen space.
May 22 05:29:59 <Maxdamantus> (without using DFAs/NFAs)
May 22 05:32:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~since ibot doesn't use regex, you can hardly do any of that ;-)
May 22 05:33:47 <DocScrutinizer05> a, b, {, x
May 22 05:33:55 <DocScrutinizer05> s/b/B/
May 22 05:33:57 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: a, B, {, x
May 22 05:34:10 <DocScrutinizer05> s/{/}/
May 22 05:34:11 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: a, b, }, x
May 22 05:34:22 <DocScrutinizer05> s/,/;/
May 22 05:34:50 <Ashley`> huh
May 22 05:34:59 <DocScrutinizer05> "special" char
May 22 05:35:13 <Ashley`> s/h/\;/
May 22 05:35:36 <DocScrutinizer05> forget it, it doesn't do regex
May 22 05:36:11 <Ashley`> s/h/m/;s/u/e/;s/h/ow/
May 22 05:36:25 <Ashley`> what does that ; do?
May 22 05:36:34 <DocScrutinizer05> nothing
May 22 05:36:40 <Ashley`> oh.
May 22 05:37:03 <Ashley`> i thought that it is special because of some special meaning :P
May 22 05:37:48 <DocScrutinizer05> s!o!O!
May 22 05:38:16 <DocScrutinizer05> s/!/¡/g
May 22 05:38:17 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: s¡o¡O¡
May 22 05:39:08 <DocScrutinizer05> there's also only /g and noting else (allowed)
May 22 05:39:53 <DocScrutinizer05> s/o/x/;
May 22 05:40:09 <DocScrutinizer05> s/o/x/
May 22 05:40:10 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: s/x/x/;
May 22 05:40:30 <DocScrutinizer05> s/o/Y/
May 22 05:40:32 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: s/Y/x/;
May 22 05:43:47 <Maxdamantus> echo 9876543210 | sed 's/./&9&8&7&6&5&4&3&2&1/g; s/../&b/g; s/b\(..\)/b\1c\1/g; s/\(..\)b/\1 bottles of beer on the wall, \1 bottles of beer, take one down, pass it around, /g; s/c/ bottles of beer. /g; s/$/no more bottles of beer./; s/ 0/ /g; s/\( 1 bottle\)s/\1/g'
May 22 05:46:39 <Maxdamantus> echo 9876543210 | sed 's/./&9&8&7&6&5&4&3&2&1/g; s/../&b/g; s/b\(..\)/b\1c\1/g; s/\(..\)b/\1 bottles of beer on the wall, \1 bottles of beer, take one down, pass it around, /g; s/c/ bottles of beer. /g; s/$/no more bottles of beer./; s/ 0/ /g; s/\( 1 bottle\)s/\1/g; s/\. /.\n/g'
May 22 05:46:43 <Maxdamantus> More readable.
May 22 05:49:55 <Maxdamantus> /home/max=foo
May 22 05:50:03 <Maxdamantus> s/=/\//
May 22 05:50:31 <Maxdamantus> /home/max=foo
May 22 05:50:34 <Maxdamantus> s/=///
May 22 05:50:54 <Maxdamantus> s/=//
May 22 05:50:56 <infobot> Maxdamantus meant: s////
May 22 05:53:08 <DocScrutinizer05> \ is no special char, "," is a special char, and ";" is
May 22 05:54:21 <DocScrutinizer05> and all except "s/$1/$2/" and "s/$1/$2/g" is a normal psot of user that gets buffered, not a command
May 22 05:55:25 <Maxdamantus> kats
May 22 05:55:28 <Maxdamantus> s/k/c/
May 22 05:55:29 <infobot> Maxdamantus meant: cats
May 22 05:55:34 <Maxdamantus> s/cat/dog/
May 22 05:55:35 <DocScrutinizer05> no special chars in $1 or $2
May 22 05:55:55 <Maxdamantus> kats
May 22 05:55:58 <Maxdamantus> s/k/c/
May 22 05:55:58 <infobot> Maxdamantus meant: cats
May 22 05:55:59 <DocScrutinizer05> buffer doesn't get altered on s/ command
May 22 05:56:07 <Maxdamantus> s/s/x/
May 22 05:56:09 <infobot> Maxdamantus meant: katx
May 22 05:57:09 <DocScrutinizer05> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
May 22 05:57:26 <DocScrutinizer05> s/x/ooooooooooooooooY/g
May 22 05:57:28 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: ooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooYooooooooooooooooY...
May 22 05:58:19 <DocScrutinizer05> * and . and dunno what are all no special chars
May 22 05:58:28 <DocScrutinizer05> it does strcmp()
May 22 05:58:57 <DocScrutinizer05> has nfc about regex
May 22 06:02:58 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I'm surprised it does substitutions in factoids at all
May 22 06:08:26 <DocScrutinizer05> http://svn.code.sf.net/p/infobot/code/branches/poco-irc/files/infobot.help
May 22 06:11:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+help cookie
May 22 06:11:46 <infobot> I can feed your appetite with random factoids.
May 22 06:12:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+help crypt
May 22 06:12:32 <infobot> It's good that you thought about encryption. I can do it for you.
May 22 06:12:33 <infobot>   Usage: crypt <salt> <string>
May 22 06:12:33 <infobot> Example: crypt 69 changeme
May 22 06:12:33 <infobot> Example: crypt $1$abcde changeme
May 22 06:21:08 <kerio> fun fact: nethack.alt.org and most other nethack/crawl public servers do (or used to) crypt(password, password) to store the password of user accounts
May 22 06:21:22 <kerio> so the first two characters of the password end up as the salt
May 22 06:21:37 <kerio> and characters from the ninth onwards are just discarded
May 22 06:25:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+help listvalues
May 22 06:25:40 <infobot>    Desc: Search the factoid database by value (description)
May 22 06:25:40 <infobot>   Usage: listvalues <regex>
May 22 06:25:40 <infobot> Example: listvalues infobot
May 22 06:26:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues mae.o
May 22 06:26:07 <infobot> Factoid search of 'mae.o' by value returned no results.
May 22 06:26:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues maemo
May 22 06:26:16 <infobot> Factoid search of 'maemo' by value (17 of 211): #maemo bnf ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; #maemo dmo ;; #maemo fix-sb ;; #maemo mo/* ;; #maemo uuencode ;; #maemo vkbd-portrait ;; 0xffff ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; boot-sd ;; categories ;; extras-uploading ;; flashplayer ;; googlesyncevolution ;; hildon-extras ;; hostmode ;; jrbme.
May 22 06:26:54 <Ashley`> ~0xffff
May 22 06:26:54 <infobot> i heard 0xffff is https://gitorious.org/0xffff/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996
May 22 06:27:16 <DocScrutinizer05> which is kinda funny
May 22 06:27:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~0xffff + 1
May 22 06:27:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ~0xAA + 1
May 22 06:28:20 <DocScrutinizer05> *shrug*
May 22 06:28:41 <DocScrutinizer05> she's not really strong in math
May 22 06:29:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ~40!
May 22 06:29:10 <infobot> rumour has it, 40! is 815,915,283,247,897,734,345,611,269,596,115,894,272,000,000,000
May 22 06:29:50 <kerio> ~41!
May 22 06:29:52 <infobot> hmm... 41! is 33,452,526,613,163,807,108,170,062,053,440,751,665,152,000,000,000
May 22 06:29:57 <kerio> brilliant
May 22 06:30:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo 41!
May 22 06:30:21 <infobot> 41! -- created by localhost <root@a1-3c045.neo.rr.com> at Tue Oct 30 14:28:06 2001 (4586 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by kerio, 30s ago.
May 22 06:30:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo 40!
May 22 06:30:30 <infobot> 40! -- created by localhost <root@a1-3c045.neo.rr.com> at Tue Oct 30 14:27:57 2001 (4586 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 21s ago.
May 22 06:30:41 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
May 22 06:30:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ~40! + 1
May 22 06:31:11 <DocScrutinizer05> thought as much
May 22 06:31:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~2**32
May 22 06:31:28 <infobot> 4294967296
May 22 06:31:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~2**32 + 1
May 22 06:31:41 <infobot> 4294967297
May 22 06:34:46 <jormungandr> ~aegis-no-thanks
May 22 06:34:47 <infobot> from memory, aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1178281#post1178281
May 22 06:34:51 <Ashley`> ~42
May 22 06:34:52 <infobot> from memory, 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything
May 22 06:35:44 <Ashley`> ~listvalues answer
May 22 06:35:48 <infobot> Factoid search of 'answer' by value (19 of 179): 404 ;; 42 ;; answers ;; ask ;; asking ;; based on debian ;; batteryfaq ;; can i ask a question ;; debian intro ;; error message ;; fat42 ;; jargon bit ;; jargon rot13 ;; jargon to a first approximation ;; leeching ;; nomsg ;; oldtest anathoth ;; oldtest anem ;; oldtest taanach.
May 22 06:35:48 <Ashley`> ~listvalues life
May 22 06:35:52 <infobot> Factoid search of 'life' by value (19 of 225): actually a7r ;; aup ;; brad ;; bunnie ;; caffine ;; cd-r ;; cmd: blame (.*?) for (.*?) ;; cyber9397 ;; elcheapacabra ;; emulate goozbach ;; emulate marvin ;; gomez ;; hal9000 ;; helpvampire ;; hlds ;; jargon black art2 ;; jargon life ;; jargon random ;; jargon religious issues3.
May 22 06:36:10 <Ashley`> ~blame x for y
May 22 06:36:12 * infobot blames anYc_ and perhaps x for y and all the evil in the world
May 22 06:36:25 <Ashley`> lol
May 22 06:36:31 <Ashley`> ~blame a for b
May 22 06:36:32 * infobot blames lbt and perhaps a for b and all the evil in the world
May 22 06:36:35 <Ashley`> oh
May 22 06:36:48 <Ashley`> pinging random nicks, yay
May 22 06:39:39 <Maxdamantus> ~listvalues (a?){32}a{32}
May 22 06:39:42 <infobot> Factoid search of '(a?){32}a{32}' by value returned no results.
May 22 06:39:59 <Maxdamantus> ~listvalues a?{32}a{32}
May 22 06:40:01 <infobot> Factoid search of 'a?{32}a{32}' by value returned no results.
May 22 06:46:16 <Ashley`> when I'm writing regexps I feel like a magician
May 22 06:46:33 <Ashley`> especially when they work as expected :P
May 22 06:51:07 <kerio> they're a shitty way to exert your will to a computer
May 22 06:51:35 <Ashley`> but they look cool
May 22 06:53:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd prefer Maxdamantus stopped trying to make bot go south
May 22 06:55:00 <DocScrutinizer05> and again: it doesn't do pattern matching aka regex
May 22 06:55:22 <Ashley`> im not talking about bot :|
May 22 06:55:33 <DocScrutinizer05> but I do
May 22 06:56:05 <DocScrutinizer05> don't you think 'a?{32}a{32}' looks like a regex?
May 22 06:58:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues answ?er
May 22 06:58:10 <infobot> Factoid search of 'answ?er' by value returned no results.
May 22 06:58:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues answ\?er
May 22 06:58:17 <infobot> Factoid search of 'answ\?er' by value returned no results.
May 22 06:58:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues answer{1}
May 22 06:58:50 <infobot> Factoid search of 'answer{1}' by value returned no results.
May 22 06:59:06 <DocScrutinizer05> believe me, it doesn't do regex
May 22 06:59:32 <kerio> i believe
May 22 07:04:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~2*pi
May 22 07:04:30 <infobot> 6.2831853
May 22 07:42:00 <Maxdamantus> ~\sum_{i=0}^\infty 1/i!
May 22 08:46:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+help math
May 22 08:46:26 <infobot>    Desc: math expresions can be evaluated. This uses Perl syntax.
May 22 08:46:28 <infobot> Example: 1+1
May 22 08:46:28 <infobot> + - add
May 22 08:46:28 <infobot> - - subtract
May 22 08:46:28 <infobot> * - multiply
May 22 08:46:28 <infobot> / - division
May 22 08:46:29 <infobot> ** - to the power
May 22 08:46:29 <infobot> pi - pi
May 22 08:46:30 <infobot> & - and
May 22 08:46:30 <infobot> | = or
May 22 08:46:31 <infobot> ^ - xor
May 22 08:48:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd rather be interested in hex numbers
May 22 08:58:22 <jaska> ~0xa
May 22 08:58:31 <jaska> :(
May 22 09:53:32 <Psi_> anyone still buying n900 ?
May 22 09:54:01 <Psi_> probably getting new phone soon so n900 wont be needed any more
May 22 09:54:09 <Psi_> im in NZ
May 22 10:42:41 * Maxdamantus is in NZ too.
May 22 15:18:53 <sombragris> hi there
May 22 15:18:54 <sombragris> :)
May 22 15:19:02 <sombragris> got a problem with my N900
May 22 15:21:34 <zGrr> Only one problem?
May 22 15:21:58 <sixwheeledbeast> ~ask
May 22 15:22:00 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
May 22 15:22:39 <sixwheeledbeast> wnat's the problem
May 22 15:22:47 <sixwheeledbeast> what's even
May 22 15:38:19 <sombragris> sixwheeledbeast: sorry, customer just called.
May 22 15:38:24 <sombragris> this is the issue
May 22 15:38:28 <sixwheeledbeast> np
May 22 15:38:40 <sombragris> I installed a new wifi router at the office
May 22 15:38:50 <sombragris> I configured it as WPA2
May 22 15:39:06 <sombragris> now, the n900 sees it as if it was WEP
May 22 15:39:14 <sombragris> and it cannot authenticate into the network
May 22 15:39:35 <sombragris> that wasn't a problem with the former router
May 22 15:43:55 <sombragris_> hi.. did you read all of my problem?
May 22 15:45:32 <freemangordon> sombragris: try to manually set-up the connection
May 22 15:46:05 <sombragris> freemangordon: how is that?
May 22 15:46:20 <sombragris> do you mean manually configuring the router or manually configuring the N900?
May 22 15:47:09 <freemangordon> n900
May 22 15:47:18 <freemangordon> in settings->internet connections
May 22 15:47:36 <sombragris> ok
May 22 15:47:46 <freemangordon> connections->new
May 22 15:50:39 <sombragris> no good
May 22 15:50:50 <sombragris> it still sees my WiFi as WEP
May 22 15:51:05 <DocScrutinizer05> then tell it that it's WPA2
May 22 15:51:10 <sombragris> cannot
May 22 15:51:15 <sombragris> how can I do that?
May 22 15:51:15 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
May 22 15:51:15 <freemangordon> yes, you can
May 22 15:51:37 <freemangordon> in internet connections, click on "connections"
May 22 15:51:47 <freemangordon> select yours and press "edit"
May 22 15:51:48 <DocScrutinizer05> then DELETE the connection
May 22 15:51:59 <freemangordon> no need
May 22 15:52:01 <DocScrutinizer05> then create NEW
May 22 15:52:13 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: it can be edited
May 22 15:52:14 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: better safe than sorry
May 22 15:52:35 <freemangordon> edit goes through the same wizard as "new"
May 22 15:52:46 <DocScrutinizer05> odds are it scans for new AP and finds the one it hears is already configured
May 22 15:53:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and you never know oif all the wpa-supplicant resp ICD2 stuff is correct
May 22 15:54:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I already witnessed on my own device that I had to delete and create new the connection, to recover from a AP config change
May 22 15:54:34 <freemangordon> anyway, we both agree that s/he has to set it up by hand :)
May 22 15:54:56 <DocScrutinizer05> depends, maybe after deleting old connection it "just works"
May 22 15:55:07 <freemangordon> yeah
May 22 15:55:16 <sombragris> no good
May 22 15:55:32 <sombragris> I can create a new connection from the wizard
May 22 15:55:44 <sombragris> I can even give it my WPA passphrase
May 22 15:56:02 <freemangordon> and?
May 22 15:56:02 <sombragris> but then when I select the connection it still asks me for a WEP key
May 22 15:56:14 <freemangordon> did you delete the old one?
May 22 15:56:19 <sombragris> I did
May 22 15:56:29 <freemangordon> weird
May 22 15:57:11 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, afk
May 22 15:57:38 <freemangordon> sombragris: seems something is not setup correctly on you router
May 22 15:58:14 <DocScrutinizer05> nope, pebcak
May 22 15:58:19 <freemangordon> :)
May 22 15:58:24 <sombragris> freemangordon: maybe
May 22 15:58:40 <sombragris> but what are the settings I should check on it?
May 22 15:59:32 <DocScrutinizer05> gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP
May 22 16:00:45 <DocScrutinizer05> disable any "simple authentication" or "one-button connect", as well as all "mixed mode"
May 22 16:00:48 <DocScrutinizer05> on AP
May 22 16:01:07 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon will be able to help
May 22 16:01:27 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry I'm busy now
May 22 16:01:32 <DocScrutinizer05> o/
May 22 16:01:33 <freemangordon> sombragris: what is your router?
May 22 16:03:40 <sombragris> It is a TP-LINK
May 22 16:03:56 <freemangordon> ok, what model
May 22 16:04:03 <freemangordon> I have tplink too
May 22 16:04:09 <freemangordon> so I guess I might be able to help
May 22 16:04:17 <sombragris> TD-W8961ND
May 22 16:04:23 <Humpelstilzchen> tplink is the openwrt brand ;)
May 22 16:04:32 <freemangordon> is it?
May 22 16:04:43 <freemangordon> never knew that
May 22 16:05:03 <sombragris> me neither
May 22 16:05:05 <sombragris> :)
May 22 16:05:26 <DocScrutinizer05> iwlist wlan0 scan
May 22 16:06:12 <sombragris> DocScrutinizer05: iwlist is not found on my n900
May 22 16:06:23 <Humpelstilzchen> try as root
May 22 16:06:24 <sombragris> (I entered the command as root)
May 22 16:06:29 <sombragris> I AM root
May 22 16:06:34 <sombragris> (sudo gainroot)
May 22 16:06:34 <freemangordon> sombragris: what is your wlan authentcation type, in router settings?
May 22 16:06:48 <Humpelstilzchen> sombragris: do you have wireless-tools installed?
May 22 16:06:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/101ad706f7
May 22 16:07:08 <sombragris> freemangordon: wpa-psk/wpa2-psk
May 22 16:08:22 <sombragris> Humpelstilzchen: no, I don't have it installed
May 22 16:08:35 <sombragris> and I cannot install anything now since I don't have network access
May 22 16:08:58 <sombragris> (on the n900)
May 22 16:09:11 <freemangordon> sombragris: could you open internet settings, on your n900, edit the connection
May 22 16:10:14 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-get install iw
May 22 16:10:15 <freemangordon> there is advanced button, click on it
May 22 16:10:35 <sombragris> DocScrutinizer05: I don't have network access on the n900
May 22 16:10:35 <freemangordon> select "other"
May 22 16:10:57 <freemangordon> and click on "wpa2-only mode:" checkbox
May 22 16:11:08 <freemangordon> then save
May 22 16:13:05 <DocScrutinizer05> shouldn't sombragris first *delete* the old connection?
May 22 16:13:08 <sombragris> freemangordon: still it shows me my network as WEP
May 22 16:13:19 <sombragris> DocScrutinizer05: I deleted the old connection
May 22 16:13:37 <freemangordon> then it is wep, for xome reason
May 22 16:13:40 <freemangordon> *some
May 22 16:13:55 <freemangordon> did you reboot the router after changint auth type to wpa-psk?
May 22 16:13:56 <DocScrutinizer05> fine, then create a new connection, search for devices, check what it shows for your AP (WEP or WPA2)
May 22 16:14:04 <freemangordon> changing even
May 22 16:14:10 <sombragris> I did
May 22 16:15:27 <sombragris> now I'm rebooting the n900 (again...)
May 22 16:15:33 <DocScrutinizer05> create new connection *without* searching for available WLAN connections
May 22 16:17:12 <DocScrutinizer05> type in your exact SSID (name of router network you gave it), untag "network is hidden", network mode "infrastructure", security method: "WPA2-preshared"
May 22 16:17:41 <sombragris> DocScrutinizer05: I did exactly that
May 22 16:17:46 <sombragris> no result
May 22 16:18:27 <DocScrutinizer05> fix your router
May 22 16:18:34 <freemangordon> :nod:
May 22 16:18:35 <sombragris> DocScrutinizer05: I guess that's the case
May 22 16:18:43 <trx> sombragris do a hard reset
May 22 16:18:54 <trx> (on the router)
May 22 16:19:05 <sombragris> trx what do you mean as a hard reset?
May 22 16:19:19 <freemangordon> there should be a reset button on the router
May 22 16:19:19 <trx> i had things like that happen on my TP-LINK routers/AP's
May 22 16:19:31 <trx> there is a button that will restore factory settings
May 22 16:19:33 <sombragris> trx: do you mean booting with factory default settings
May 22 16:19:36 <sombragris> >
May 22 16:19:43 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
May 22 16:19:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and redo the config
May 22 16:19:52 <trx> on the back, you need to hold it for 30-60 seconds
May 22 16:19:54 <freemangordon> you should press-n-hold it for a couple of seconds, read the user manual where it is located and for how long to hold it pressed
May 22 16:20:02 <sombragris> oh my.
May 22 16:20:05 <sombragris> well
May 22 16:20:22 <sombragris> that's not going to be simple. I have to dig where is the ISP authentication info.
May 22 16:20:41 <DocScrutinizer05> get advice here for an URL "how to config (.*)wrt"
May 22 16:20:44 <trx> what type of internet do you have?
May 22 16:20:54 <freemangordon> adsl :)
May 22 16:21:02 <trx> check PVC4 in that case
May 22 16:21:06 <freemangordon> this is an adsl router
May 22 16:21:20 <trx> it is probably there
May 22 16:22:09 <trx> if not, go through 1-8 and find it :)
May 22 16:22:11 <DocScrutinizer05> sombragris: do a config backup before doing hard/factory reset
May 22 16:22:18 <trx> that too
May 22 16:22:55 <sombragris> IDK how to do that backup
May 22 16:23:13 <freemangordon> http://www.tp-link.com/resources/document/TD-W8961ND_V3_User_Guide_1910010893.pdf
May 22 16:25:04 <freemangordon> shit, how to tell FF to open a pdf with an external program?!?
May 22 16:25:38 <javispedro> I recommend a hammar
May 22 16:25:54 <javispedro> alternatively, preferences -> applications sometimes works
May 22 16:25:57 * freemangordon is going to find one
May 22 16:26:16 <javispedro> but only when Firefox happens to like your current desktop
May 22 16:26:49 <freemangordon> nah, I had to click on "download"
May 22 16:26:58 <freemangordon> thean it asked me what to do
May 22 16:27:03 <freemangordon> how smart
May 22 16:27:21 <xes> hey! W8961! I have the same AP, it works great with the N900!
May 22 16:27:47 <freemangordon> sombragris: seems today is your lucky day :)
May 22 16:28:27 <freemangordon> xes: hi! I promised you to check something, but forgot what exactly, was it hostmode oopses?
May 22 16:29:13 <xes> freemangordon: yep. But i promised you a few test cases that i had no time to produce
May 22 16:29:41 <freemangordon> oh, well :)
May 22 16:31:20 <xes> freemangordon: i saw you and pali are patching modest again... Do you think there is still something that could be done to allow single mail opening while updating inbox? (now it opens a blank window waiting almost forever)
May 22 16:32:12 <freemangordon> xes: hmm, wasn't that fixed already?
May 22 16:33:34 <xes> freemangordon: no? One hour ago it wasn't. (at least in my device and for me)
May 22 16:34:08 <freemangordon> what type of mail is that? pop3?
May 22 16:34:15 <xes> imap
May 22 16:35:24 <freemangordon> but isn't imap contents stored online?
May 22 16:36:23 <xes> sure.  But also an old email opened while updating inbox takes ages to open
May 22 16:37:25 <freemangordon> xes: try to enable offline mode, but keep in mind it fills up /home folder
May 22 16:38:13 <xes> freemangordon: enabling offline mode it stops retrieving emails
May 22 16:39:13 <freemangordon> hmm?
May 22 16:39:26 <sixwheeledbeast> Sorry I was away, from reading backscroll the router is not setup correctly
May 22 16:39:58 <freemangordon> xes: how's that?
May 22 16:41:02 <xes> freemangordon: let me check again
May 22 16:41:15 <freemangordon> xes: menu->edit accounts->"$YOUR_IMAP_ACCOUNT"->"enable offline IMAP..."
May 22 16:41:48 <eduardo_> ok. gotta go now. Will see  how it goes. Stil no luck
May 22 16:42:45 <xes> freemangordon: i tried it a few time ago, i can't remember if "offline mode" or "update all folders" freezed mail retrieving
May 22 16:52:01 <xes> freemangordon: it was "update all folders" the one that freezed mail updates and notification. With offline mode it still works but mail opening speed while updating it still a pain
May 22 16:52:14 <xes> *is
May 22 17:37:33 <sixwheeledbeast> ~phonecontrol
May 22 17:37:34 <infobot> i guess phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
May 22 17:38:00 <sixwheeledbeast> I guess there's a way to query the current profile
May 22 17:47:42 <xes> sixwheeledbeast: dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.get_profile
May 22 17:48:02 <sixwheeledbeast> xes: yes I found it thanks :)
May 22 17:52:00 <sixwheeledbeast> Just working on a,  ' if [ profile == "silent"] then; set_general  ' script
May 22 17:53:58 <Nokiabot> Ssssh
May 22 18:10:09 <merlin1991> xes: iirc Pali added a fix for the update all folders to use the glib main queue instdead of an all blocking loop
May 22 18:28:46 <vdv>  i'm trying to build qt app for maemo in qtcreator and getting following: http://pastebin.com/fv1hX4Ku
May 22 18:29:02 <vdv> can anybody help to find out what's wrong with my setup?
May 22 18:29:49 <freemangordon> xes: yeah, merlin1991 is right, could you try modest from cssu-devel?
May 22 18:30:23 <freemangordon> vdv: CONFIG += dbus?
May 22 18:31:07 <vdv> freemangordon, i have it already
May 22 18:31:21 <vdv> thought something is wrong with setup in general
May 22 18:31:36 <xes> freemangordon: i'm using modest  3.90.7-13.1 ... it should be the latest from cssu-devel
May 22 18:32:03 <freemangordon> vdv: yeah, seems like :(
May 22 18:32:41 <freemangordon> xes: yep
May 22 18:33:06 <vdv> wait, do i need CONFIG += qdbus or CONFIG += dbus ?
May 22 18:33:10 <freemangordon> xes: dunno then, naybe ask pali for fix, he is working on modest lately
May 22 18:33:18 <vdv> also, is following include correct? #include <QtDBus>
May 22 18:33:22 <freemangordon> vdv: iirc it is += dbus
May 22 18:33:47 <freemangordon> that include sounds correct to me
May 22 18:34:43 <freemangordon> hmm, could it be QDBus?
May 22 18:34:51 <freemangordon> include that is
May 22 18:35:18 <freemangordon> vdv: yep, it is  #include <QDBus>
May 22 18:35:56 <freemangordon> vdv: what class you use?
May 22 18:36:04 <freemangordon> *do you
May 22 18:36:20 <vdv> QDBusConnection
May 22 18:36:58 <freemangordon> well, then you should #include <QDBusConnection> ;)
May 22 18:36:58 <vdv> projects/goldendict-build-maemo-Qt_4_7_0__fremantle-pr13__Release/../goldendict-maemo/main.cc:10: Error:QDBus: No such file or directory
May 22 18:37:25 <freemangordon> weird, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.7/qdbus.html
May 22 18:37:49 <freemangordon> but anyway, you should #include <QDBusConnection>
May 22 18:38:07 <sixwheeledbeast> vdv: http://developer.nokia.com/community/wiki/Qt_application_for_Maemo_with_DBus_support
May 22 18:38:28 <sixwheeledbeast> += qdbus
May 22 18:38:32 <freemangordon> ooh
May 22 18:38:36 <vdv> the project which i try to build now was compiled on my old system normally
May 22 18:38:43 <vdv> i didn't change sources
May 22 18:38:53 <freemangordon> my fault, sorry
May 22 18:39:19 <vdv> but i moved folder with qtsdk to new system
May 22 18:39:44 <freemangordon> hmm, you should check paths then
May 22 18:39:52 <freemangordon> simply grep for you old path
May 22 18:39:53 <vdv> paths are unchanged
May 22 18:39:57 <freemangordon> I see
May 22 18:40:09 <vdv> /opt/QtSDK
May 22 18:40:24 <freemangordon> NFC then
May 22 18:40:44 <freemangordon> you can try to reinstall :)
May 22 18:41:21 <vdv> didn't help either (
May 22 18:41:34 <freemangordon> 32 or 64 bit?
May 22 18:41:37 <vdv> 32
May 22 18:41:51 <freemangordon> and your OS is 32 bit?
May 22 18:41:55 <vdv> also, yes
May 22 18:42:29 <vdv> in the article which sixwheeledbeast suggested it's CONFIG += qdbus
May 22 18:42:34 <vdv> interesting
May 22 18:42:57 <freemangordon> yep
May 22 18:43:04 <freemangordon> thus "my fault" ^^^
May 22 18:43:46 <vdv> maybe wrong compiler is used, i don't know
May 22 18:44:25 <freemangordon> could you try "mad g++ -v"
May 22 18:44:52 <freemangordon> though it doesn't make mush of a sense
May 22 18:44:57 <freemangordon> *much
May 22 18:45:46 <freemangordon> vdv: what is on /opt/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/include/QtDBus/qdbusabstractadaptor.h:57 ?
May 22 18:46:23 <vdv> class QDBUS_EXPORT QDBusAbstractAdaptor: public QObject
May 22 18:47:37 <freemangordon> no idea, sorry
May 22 18:47:58 <freemangordon> actually...
May 22 18:48:05 <freemangordon> did you run qmake again?
May 22 18:48:20 <vdv> yes
May 22 18:48:31 <vdv> and qmake from toolchain for maemo is used
May 22 18:48:35 * freemangordon is out of ideas
May 22 18:48:59 <vdv> does it matter which make runs makefile?
May 22 18:49:03 <freemangordon> you may try to purge the whole qtsdk directory and make a clean install
May 22 18:49:25 <vdv> make from /usr/bin is used
May 22 18:49:26 <freemangordon> i think it is only one make
May 22 18:49:29 <freemangordon> hmm
May 22 18:49:36 <freemangordon> why is that?
May 22 18:49:55 * freemangordon is checking his qtcreator
May 22 18:50:03 <vdv> i don't know how to influence that
May 22 18:50:14 <vdv> and whether qtsdk has it's own make
May 22 18:52:27 <freemangordon> 21:52:04: Starting: "/usr/bin/make" -w
May 22 18:52:33 <freemangordon> so it is the same here
May 22 18:54:19 <vdv> ok, thanks
May 22 18:55:02 <vdv> mad g++ -v -> 4.2.1
May 22 18:55:13 <vdv> system g++ -v -> 4.7.1
May 22 18:55:23 <freemangordon> normal
May 22 18:55:26 <freemangordon> IMO
May 22 18:55:47 <freemangordon> qhat qtsdk version?
May 22 18:55:50 <freemangordon> *what
May 22 18:56:02 <vdv> 1.2.1
May 22 18:56:18 <freemangordon> same here
May 22 18:56:33 <freemangordon> but I am on ubuntu 12.04 64 bit
May 22 19:58:52 <wizbit> is there a way to speed up the application installer?
May 22 20:18:27 <sixwheeledbeast> wizbit: you mean HAM aka application manager?
May 22 20:18:29 <sixwheeledbeast> ~HAM
May 22 20:18:30 <infobot> i heard ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham
May 22 20:18:43 <sixwheeledbeast> ~speedyHAM
May 22 20:18:43 <infobot> it has been said that speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb
May 22 20:19:09 <wizbit> ace
May 22 23:10:11 <hxka> infobot: speedyham is also in cssu-thumb
May 22 23:10:13 <infobot> okay, hxka
May 23 00:27:16 <Kabouik_> Is gounlock.com a known/reliable website? They have N900 back covers in stock, I need one.
May 23 01:51:28 <DocScrutinizer05> Kabouik_: looks ok
May 23 01:51:41 <DocScrutinizer05> but not known, at least to me
May 23 01:51:50 <DocScrutinizer05> which doesn't mean a thing
May 23 01:51:53 <Kabouik_> Unfortunately I couldn't confirm account creation, got an error when clicking the link
May 23 01:52:00 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
May 23 01:52:17 <DocScrutinizer05> some stuff got "updated" 2011
May 23 01:52:19 <Kabouik_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NOKIA-N900-Battery-Cover-Part-0253138-/331205321076?pt=US_Cell_Phone_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item4d1d602174#shpCntId Found that instead. But 46 Can USD shipping D:
May 23 01:52:32 <DocScrutinizer05> eeeek
May 23 01:52:45 <Kabouik_> I'll ask if they can just ship it in a regular mail
May 23 01:53:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ask if you could stop by with a chartered helicopter
May 23 01:54:01 <Kabouik_> :]
May 23 01:54:13 <DocScrutinizer05> you could invide the guy for a beer from the money you save this way
May 23 01:54:20 <DocScrutinizer05> invite*
May 23 01:55:25 <DocScrutinizer05> are they nuts? 50 bucks for shipping a plastic shitty cover weighing 10g and worth 10 bucks??
May 23 01:55:52 <DocScrutinizer05> hell that must be a packaging!
May 23 01:56:51 <Kabouik_> Automatic shipping rate calculation by eBay :P
May 23 01:57:58 <DocScrutinizer05> they are *really* sick
May 23 01:58:24 <DocScrutinizer05> to USA they calculate 4 bucks, to UK and Germany 46
May 23 01:58:26 <Kabouik_> If the guy can drop the shipping to about $ 10, I'll sign
May 23 01:58:38 <Kabouik_> Mine is in good state, plastic is perfect, but the stand is loose :(
May 23 01:58:47 <Kabouik_> The magnet is still thete but the stand is still loose
May 23 01:58:58 <DocScrutinizer05> loose?
May 23 01:59:09 <Kabouik_> Hum how do you say that in English
May 23 01:59:16 <Kabouik_> It just moves around if I shake the backcover
May 23 01:59:25 <DocScrutinizer05> strange
May 23 01:59:28 <Kabouik_> Not to the fully-opened position, but by 5-6 mm
May 23 01:59:49 <DocScrutinizer05> lost your tiny metal patch at stand?
May 23 02:00:18 <Kabouik_> No I think it's there
May 23 02:00:22 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise I couldn't think how it wouldn't stay in place when magnet is there
May 23 02:00:52 <Kabouik_> I'm comparing 2 backcovers, they just look exactly the same, except one has a loose stand (not the other, but the other is not in perfect condition unfortunately)
May 23 02:01:08 <DocScrutinizer05> check the stand
May 23 02:01:18 <DocScrutinizer05> it has a tiny metal patch
May 23 02:01:31 <Kabouik_> Oh no right it's not there
May 23 02:01:39 <Kabouik_> All I was seeing was dust in the hole
May 23 02:01:46 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
May 23 02:02:09 <Kabouik_> Any idea how to fix that? Don't know how to stick metal in there
May 23 02:02:23 <DocScrutinizer05> now. find a thin steel sheet and cut a patch from it
May 23 02:02:30 <DocScrutinizer05> then glue it into place
May 23 02:03:17 <Kabouik_> Sometimes I feel I'm the only dude on TMO who has *not* metal sheets on his shelves :D
May 23 02:03:40 <DocScrutinizer05> you could use a magnetic iron wire and a huge hammer and make your own flat patch from the wire
May 23 02:03:54 <Kabouik_> True
May 23 02:03:56 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, I also dont
May 23 02:04:17 <Kabouik_> Is the magnet on the backcover itself? I mean, I only need steel for the stand, not a magnet?
May 23 02:04:21 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
May 23 02:04:30 <Kabouik_> Thanks, I'll try something during the week-end then
May 23 02:04:35 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
May 23 02:04:49 <Kabouik_> Perhaps you helped me spare 10 + 46$ :D
May 23 02:04:55 <Kabouik_> But no helicopter trip then :(
May 23 02:05:07 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks for gounlock
May 23 02:05:20 <Kabouik_> Well if you manage to register, I couldn't
May 23 02:05:23 <DocScrutinizer05> you helped me find cam modules for 10 bucks
May 23 02:05:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I am intersted in an amount that justifies an international phonecall
May 23 02:06:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I also got "ajax error" on search
May 23 02:06:56 <Kabouik_> Just make sure it's not a scam then
May 23 02:10:54 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, first get samples
May 23 02:11:21 <DocScrutinizer05> then maybe even fetch personally
May 23 02:11:40 <DocScrutinizer05> but in Canada that's probably not needed
May 23 02:23:18 <DocScrutinizer05> Canada?? SanFran
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