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Jun 02 06:34:51 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: correctly driving the mux will be done by another (board specific?) driver, the problem is well known. BTW I have that fixed for 3.13 (iirc), but not with DT boot. However, once 3.16 is out, with most of the N900 stuff working, it will be the cameras and sound system next
Jun 02 06:36:21 <freemangordon> ant there is another problem, with gpio-switch driver, we''l have to find a way to share gpios between it and device drivers. but that will be solved as well, I think about notifiers or links in sysfs
Jun 02 06:38:18 <freemangordon> but in general I am very optimistic about N900/maemo and upstream kernel, still dunno what to think about Neo900. Though I usually want the HW in my hands before doing any development
Jun 02 10:44:32 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: look, now you get a hw that's tailored to your needs. So try to build a neo-fremantle and we will see how hw can support you
Jun 02 10:51:30 <bencoh> neo-fremantle
Jun 02 10:51:31 <bencoh> hmm
Jun 02 10:52:14 <bencoh> btw those that mean we might have a mainline kernel working with maemo ?
Jun 02 12:26:34 <pdanek> Hey.
Jun 02 12:26:58 <pdanek> On TMO, I registered, confirmed m email, yet I still don't have access to private messages, why?
Jun 02 12:27:13 <javispedro> pdanek: I think you need to write a few posts beforehand
Jun 02 12:27:19 <pdanek> How many?
Jun 02 12:27:28 <javispedro> dunno, but probably 10 or so
Jun 02 12:27:35 <pdanek> That's dumb.
Jun 02 12:28:00 <javispedro> it's a way to make yourself visible to normal moderators before being able to spam everyone 
Jun 02 12:28:10 <uros1> hi people where ti find flasher for N9 all links are dead
Jun 02 12:28:21 <pdanek> I see.
Jun 02 12:29:54 <freemangordon_> ~flasher
Jun 02 12:29:54 <infobot> hmm... flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Jun 02 12:31:30 <uros1> tnx arch links are just fine, i`m behind strict firewall in office
Jun 02 13:10:25 <RST38h> TIZEN! =)
Jun 02 13:16:51 <xes> RST38h: Tizen.. What?
Jun 02 13:17:20 <RST38h> Apparently, released in a Samsung phone
Jun 02 13:18:55 <teotwaki> RST38h: you mean it's another day that ends with a Y?
Jun 02 13:19:08 <RST38h> In a way, yes
Jun 02 13:19:24 <RST38h> Slightly different and there is now at least a photo of the device
Jun 02 13:20:12 <xes> RST38h: well, looking at the beginning of this new adventure... Tizen is already proposing itself in a "strange" way. Please go to http://repo.meego.com 
Jun 02 13:20:29 <xes> or some mirror: http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego.com
Jun 02 13:22:06 <xes> oh... have you obtained a redirect or a 404? ...Yep everything has been cleared/removed/redirected, every single bit
Jun 02 13:26:13 <RST38h> xes: It is Samsung - they do not really relate to developers in any meaningful way, I guess
Jun 02 13:26:16 <RST38h> Do not know how
Jun 02 13:32:31 <xes> RST38h: who, samsung or intel? ...just a note: https://source.tizen.org/documentation/source-code-reviewers
Jun 02 13:33:49 <RST38h> intel no longer doing anything meaningful on tizen afaik
Jun 02 15:29:51 <erlehmann> yay http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTcwNzY
Jun 02 15:29:53 <erlehmann> \o/
Jun 02 16:02:23 <Maxdamantus> Ironic picture.
Jun 02 16:02:41 <Maxdamantus> Kernel: 2.6.28-omap1
Jun 02 16:19:41 <ZogG_laptop> javispedro: hey
Jun 02 16:19:46 <ZogG_laptop> pdanek: :P
Jun 02 16:19:54 <javispedro> hey ZogG_laptop 
Jun 02 16:29:11 <ZogG_laptop> javispedro: i have few questions about metawatch and BLE
Jun 02 16:29:18 <javispedro> ok, shoot
Jun 02 16:29:24 <javispedro> I have around half an hour left :)
Jun 02 16:29:41 <ZogG_laptop> lemme think thru so i wouldn't show up as an idiot with too stupid questions
Jun 02 16:29:47 <ZogG_laptop> though i would at the end :P
Jun 02 16:29:59 <javispedro> everyone is a newbie at some point, I don't care.
Jun 02 16:30:29 <javispedro> (and besides, I am hardly an expert.....)
Jun 02 16:30:37 <ZogG_laptop> so there is GATT which is bluetooth but it doesn't mean it's BLE right?
Jun 02 16:30:45 <javispedro> GATT is supposed to be a protocol
Jun 02 16:31:01 <javispedro> you can speak it over a BLE channel or over a normal "classic" bluetooth channel
Jun 02 16:31:18 <javispedro> but it was obviously designed to be used over BLE and most devices use it only for BLE
Jun 02 16:31:29 <ZogG_laptop> classic is 2.1 right? or what was the version
Jun 02 16:31:33 <javispedro> yep
Jun 02 16:31:36 <ZogG_laptop> it's spp or how it's called
Jun 02 16:31:37 <javispedro> anything < 3.0
Jun 02 16:31:51 <javispedro> i'ts called BDR
Jun 02 16:31:56 <javispedro> basic data rate or sth like that
Jun 02 16:31:58 <ZogG_laptop> i heard that one
Jun 02 16:32:01 <javispedro> SPP is something else
Jun 02 16:32:15 <ZogG_laptop> what is spp than?
Jun 02 16:32:16 <javispedro> SPP is "serial port profile", which is a specification for how a bluetooth device should emulate a serial port
Jun 02 16:32:17 <ZogG_laptop> then*
Jun 02 16:32:35 <javispedro> this specification says among other things that 
Jun 02 16:32:45 <ZogG_laptop> so to use BLE for metawatch with bb10
Jun 02 16:32:50 <javispedro> you should use a protocol called RFCOMM and expose some IDs over blablabla
Jun 02 16:32:50 <ZogG_laptop> i need to connect to device
Jun 02 16:33:09 <ZogG_laptop> when i connect there is difference between connections
Jun 02 16:33:18 <ZogG_laptop> i mean if it would be used with BLE or not
Jun 02 16:33:27 <ZogG_laptop> or there is no difference and connection is the same
Jun 02 16:34:09 <ZogG_laptop> because as i understood from example of metawatch i do init bluetoothdevice
Jun 02 16:34:13 <ZogG_laptop> init ble
Jun 02 16:34:30 <ZogG_laptop> and than i try to connect to 0x8880 of metawatch
Jun 02 16:35:18 <ZogG_laptop> i just don't get the flow
Jun 02 16:35:26 <ZogG_laptop> and i do not get who is server and who is client
Jun 02 16:36:09 <javispedro> so
Jun 02 16:36:18 <javispedro> you should use GATT over BLE :)
Jun 02 16:36:30 <javispedro> with the phone being central (or client)
Jun 02 16:36:37 <javispedro> and the watch being peripheral (or server)
Jun 02 16:36:52 <javispedro> if you scan for GATT services in metawatch,
Jun 02 16:36:56 <javispedro> you will find service 0x8880
Jun 02 16:37:03 <ZogG_laptop> i don't actually
Jun 02 16:37:14 <javispedro> so you are currently stuck before that?
Jun 02 16:37:18 <ZogG_laptop> i do see it from laptop
Jun 02 16:37:23 <javispedro> oh
Jun 02 16:37:25 <ZogG_laptop> with some command line tool
Jun 02 16:37:30 <javispedro> gatttool
Jun 02 16:37:32 <ZogG_laptop> but not from BB10
Jun 02 16:37:38 <ZogG_laptop> exactly this one
Jun 02 16:37:46 <javispedro> but that guy from BB did see service 0x8880 at some point, from the screenshots
Jun 02 16:37:52 <javispedro> he even mentioned it
Jun 02 16:37:59 <javispedro> tbh I don't understand in which kind of mess they are.
Jun 02 16:38:03 <ZogG_laptop> no idea what fw he has
Jun 02 16:38:12 <javispedro> get the latest, 1.5.3, just in case.
Jun 02 16:38:22 <ZogG_laptop> he is one of blackberry workers and works with bluetooth a lot :P
Jun 02 16:38:29 <ZogG_laptop> i do have 1.5.3
Jun 02 16:38:55 <ZogG_laptop> i try to connect to 8880 even if i don't see it and i get error :O
Jun 02 16:39:11 <javispedro> don't try to connect if you can't scan for services, it's pointless
Jun 02 16:39:16 <javispedro> it probably means something is broken beforehand
Jun 02 16:39:43 <ZogG_laptop> i'm not sure if it's my z10 or what. as i do can connect from jolla
Jun 02 16:40:05 <ZogG_laptop> as well he told he has the same device /fw on phone
Jun 02 16:40:09 <ZogG_laptop> but i'm not sure
Jun 02 16:40:16 <ZogG_laptop> as he has internal phone and fw
Jun 02 16:40:18 <javispedro> so was he able to get it work "again"?
Jun 02 16:40:29 <ZogG_laptop> didn't talk to him anymore
Jun 02 16:40:37 <ZogG_laptop> i'll ping him on tweeter
Jun 02 16:40:47 <ZogG_laptop> s/tweeter/twitter/
Jun 02 16:40:48 <infobot> ZogG_laptop meant: i'll ping him on twitter
Jun 02 16:40:58 <javispedro> just in case
Jun 02 16:41:06 <javispedro> by server I mean the one "exposing the services"
Jun 02 16:41:16 <javispedro> and by client I mean the one who is making the requests
Jun 02 16:41:24 <ZogG_laptop> as i understand by server i do requests and get answers
Jun 02 16:41:39 <javispedro> so we have a contradiction there? :)
Jun 02 16:41:40 <ZogG_laptop> so we are on the same page
Jun 02 16:41:46 <ZogG_laptop> nope
Jun 02 16:42:03 <ZogG_laptop> i mean requests to server and answers from it :P
Jun 02 16:42:08 <javispedro> client ------get_services()-----> server
Jun 02 16:42:21 <javispedro> client <---I have service 0x8880----- server
Jun 02 16:42:29 <ZogG_laptop> yeah
Jun 02 16:42:33 <ZogG_laptop> i get only one service
Jun 02 16:42:43 <ZogG_laptop> which is spp
Jun 02 16:42:47 <ZogG_laptop> or how it's called
Jun 02 16:42:47 <javispedro> weird
Jun 02 16:42:49 <ZogG_laptop> 1110
Jun 02 16:42:58 <javispedro> SPP can only be used from BDR/classic bluetooth
Jun 02 16:43:17 <ZogG_laptop> that's what i do not want
Jun 02 16:43:24 <javispedro> can you force connecting to a device via BLE instead of SPP?
Jun 02 16:43:28 <ZogG_laptop> as well i do not want to calculate crc :P
Jun 02 16:43:36 <javispedro> ie something like bt_gatt_connect_ble(address) :P
Jun 02 16:43:42 <ZogG_laptop> i do that
Jun 02 16:43:54 <ZogG_laptop>  if(bt_gatt_connect_service("00:18:33:FA:CA:FD",  MY_UUID,
Jun 02 16:44:37 <javispedro> and what's the result of that?
Jun 02 16:44:54 <ZogG_laptop> error 47
Jun 02 16:45:01 <ZogG_laptop> i also have bt_disc_retrieve_by_service_gatt
Jun 02 16:45:07 <javispedro> do you know what 47 means? :)
Jun 02 16:45:11 <ZogG_laptop> which would return the "array" of services
Jun 02 16:45:15 <ZogG_laptop> no idea
Jun 02 16:45:23 <ZogG_laptop> it's internal bb error i think
Jun 02 16:45:44 <javispedro> maybe  EAFNOSUPPORT Address family not supported?
Jun 02 16:46:06 <ZogG_laptop> something with not supported
Jun 02 16:46:09 <ZogG_laptop> lemme try now
Jun 02 16:46:12 <javispedro> I'm not sure if blackberry err numbers are the same as BSD's
Jun 02 16:46:23 <javispedro> or if that number is even a errno to begin with
Jun 02 16:46:36 <ZogG_laptop> 48 (Not supported)
Jun 02 16:46:41 <javispedro> but in any case if you are doing that and it does not work it seems like a blackberry bug
Jun 02 16:47:08 <ZogG_laptop> all services i see are service: 0x1101
Jun 02 16:47:16 <javispedro> you may also use https://gitorious.org/gato/test-mw/source/1964cacb884b2a47a57b173f3ad15889b82a14ce:metawatchbletransport.cpp
Jun 02 16:47:22 <ZogG_laptop> javispedro: does jolla expose ble services btw?
Jun 02 16:47:32 <ZogG_laptop> as i can try to check jolla services from bbb10
Jun 02 16:47:34 <javispedro> ZogG_laptop: Jolla has no BLE API at all I had to implement my own
Jun 02 16:47:51 <javispedro> ZogG_laptop: nah, on stock jolla there's no GATT server even.
Jun 02 16:48:04 <ZogG_laptop> i just want to be sure that it's not hw bug at my device but bb10 bug
Jun 02 16:48:17 <ZogG_laptop> i have z1 compact (android)
Jun 02 16:48:25 <javispedro> some devices that I know are BLE only ..
Jun 02 16:48:30 <javispedro> the microsoft arc touch mouse..
Jun 02 16:48:36 <ZogG_laptop> not sure if there is anything else that supports BLE in my house :(
Jun 02 16:48:39 <javispedro> the adonit jot script..
Jun 02 16:48:51 <ZogG_laptop> i have no of those
Jun 02 16:49:05 <javispedro> I can't think of any other right now..
Jun 02 16:49:21 <ZogG_laptop> android phones? any idea?
Jun 02 16:49:22 <javispedro> do you have an iphone?
Jun 02 16:49:27 <javispedro> no idea about android
Jun 02 16:49:35 <javispedro> but some people commented about an iOS app 
Jun 02 16:49:40 <javispedro> maybe there's sth for android
Jun 02 16:49:43 <ZogG_laptop> no iphone
Jun 02 16:49:54 <javispedro> (I want to do android BLE tests at some point this week but I haven't prepared so far)
Jun 02 16:49:57 <ZogG_laptop> i have laptop with 4.0 dongle
Jun 02 16:50:08 <ZogG_laptop> not sure how  to run services on it though
Jun 02 16:50:15 <javispedro> and I presume gatttool works OK to connect to your MW there?
Jun 02 16:50:26 <ZogG_laptop> not tried to
Jun 02 16:50:33 <ZogG_laptop> but i see 8880
Jun 02 16:50:39 <javispedro> so it works
Jun 02 16:51:20 <javispedro> btw, what's service 0x1110 you mentioned above?
Jun 02 16:51:44 <javispedro> I don't think metawatch actually exposes that even via BDR
Jun 02 16:52:36 <ZogG_laptop> i have it with BLE i think
Jun 02 16:52:40 <ZogG_laptop> which would be wierd
Jun 02 16:52:45 <javispedro> very weird
Jun 02 16:52:52 <ZogG_laptop> ok
Jun 02 16:52:54 <ZogG_laptop> it's GATT
Jun 02 16:53:04 <ZogG_laptop> bt_disc_retrieve_by_service_gatt
Jun 02 16:53:19 <ZogG_laptop> maybe i should try to connect to it :P
Jun 02 16:53:20 <javispedro> it may be misparsing the announcements..
Jun 02 16:54:00 <javispedro> what
Jun 02 16:54:01 <ZogG_laptop> my bad
Jun 02 16:54:06 <ZogG_laptop> it's not
Jun 02 16:54:18 <ZogG_laptop> bt_rdev_get_services returns it
Jun 02 16:54:42 <javispedro> ignore that one, it's clearly BDR
Jun 02 16:55:19 <javispedro> basically I'd say your problem is with bt_gatt_connect returning a bogus error
Jun 02 16:55:39 <javispedro> try to figure out if there's a debuglog where it may show something..
Jun 02 16:56:05 <javispedro> the blackberry guys seem to have problems spelling out bluetooth UUIDs
Jun 02 16:56:16 <javispedro> 0xF0000000-0451-4000-B000-000000000000 doesn't look good.
Jun 02 16:56:27 <javispedro> (in doc here: http://developer.blackberry.com/native/reference/core/com.qnx.doc.bluetooth.lib_ref/topic/bt_gatt_connect_service.html )
Jun 02 16:56:55 <javispedro> also try to figure out if the return value you get is one of those errnos.
Jun 02 16:57:27 <ZogG_laptop> i just wonder if it's my phone or it's OS itself
Jun 02 16:57:27 <javispedro> my half hour is up, I gotta go!
Jun 02 16:57:37 <javispedro> ZogG_laptop: I doubt a hardware problem could cause this
Jun 02 16:57:46 <javispedro> ZogG_laptop: bluetooth working with BLE specifically failing
Jun 02 16:58:05 <javispedro> ZogG_laptop: it's a sw issue and BB guys have no idea about it :)
Jun 02 16:59:06 <javispedro> ZogG_laptop: if you have an applestore nearby try to see if you can scan and connect to one of their iBeacons =)
Jun 02 16:59:11 <javispedro> they are also BLE devices!
Jun 02 16:59:40 <ZogG_laptop> not getting my foot in :P
Jun 02 16:59:49 <javispedro> well, gotta go
Jun 02 17:00:00 <javispedro> good luck!
Jun 02 23:52:06 <Apic> http://pix.apic.name/0d.jpg Munich Tunnel Graffiti Shot
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