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Jun 06 10:36:36 <sixwheeledbeast> maybe if we knew your issue we could help :)
Jun 06 13:43:53 <Apic> http://pix.apic.name  - spot the 0Fnord.
Jun 06 13:45:38 <Apic> http://pix.apic.name/1d.jpg   - NOW spot the 0Fnord.
Jun 06 15:42:32 <StecKman> this is n9 with meego and the warehouse. when I try to install some packages, it complains that 'is not user package'
Jun 06 15:43:39 <StecKman> hoe can I install those?
Jun 06 15:43:50 <StecKman>  how*
Jun 06 16:15:54 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: do you know what it meens when the led on a N900 blinks red quicly when it is conected to the charger and after that dont do anything
Jun 06 16:24:31 <kerio> Agge: a problem with charging
Jun 06 16:24:57 <Agge> yeah but is it a problem with the battery or the charger?
Jun 06 16:25:08 <Agge> the phone do not start right now
Jun 06 16:32:26 <Sicelo> read or amber?
Jun 06 16:32:29 <Sicelo> *red
Jun 06 16:34:53 <Agge> red
Jun 06 16:41:29 <kerio> red flashes indicate some sort of problem i think
Jun 06 17:11:34 <Agge> kerio: yes that I know. what would be helpfull is what kind of problem
Jun 06 17:15:55 <DocScrutinizer05> Agge: usually battery dead
Jun 06 17:16:17 <DocScrutinizer05> probably shorted
Jun 06 17:17:04 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: thank you. suspected that but dident know for sure. P.S. one of the batteries that come with one of the china N900s
Jun 06 17:17:16 <DocScrutinizer05> waitaminute
Jun 06 17:17:22 <DocScrutinizer05> testing
Jun 06 17:19:03 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: ?
Jun 06 17:19:05 <sixwheeledbeast> I would suspect the battery, if you have multiple of any devices/batteries/chargers you can easily diagnose this.
Jun 06 17:19:57 <Agge> actualy a one of the friends that I got one of the china phones that have the problem. but we vill test with an other battery 
Jun 06 17:23:36 <DocScrutinizer05> a plain massive short on the two power pins of phone batt connector doesn't do anything yet. Adding random "BSI resistor" (with wet finger ;-D ) makes LED shine *green*
Jun 06 17:24:19 <DocScrutinizer05> obviously all that gets handles by NOLO, since nothing else is fast enough and smart enough to do that stuff
Jun 06 17:24:32 <DocScrutinizer05> s/dles/dled/
Jun 06 17:24:34 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: obviously all that gets handled by NOLO, since nothing else is fast enough and smart enough to do that stuff
Jun 06 17:25:08 <DocScrutinizer05> whatever NOLO thinks is wrong with battery, will make it cause red flashing
Jun 06 17:25:53 <DocScrutinizer05> too high series impedance (very old broken battery) might be a probably cause
Jun 06 17:27:44 <Agge> DocScrutinizer05: that reminds me the china N900 I got from Ebay the charger for them have the same serial number and the one I opened was realy a low quality chip
Jun 06 17:29:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, sure. Overvoltage on USB *might* be another reason for NOLO to flash red
Jun 06 17:30:39 <kerio> just don't buy cheap stuff with regards to batteries or chargers
Jun 06 17:31:18 <DocScrutinizer05> all this at least conveniently explains why Nokia never dared to opensource NOLO, it's basically an augmented BME in this regard, so same concerns apply
Jun 06 17:31:59 <Agge> yeah but the low quality charger have not been used for several weeks
Jun 06 17:40:47 <Agge> NOLD?
Jun 06 18:05:27 <hxka> DocScrutinizer05: What concerns?
Jun 06 18:05:58 <hxka> Agge: NOkia LOader
Jun 06 18:07:08 <DocScrutinizer05> hxka: "providing source of BME creates liability for hackers blowing up their bollocks with exploding batteries"
Jun 06 18:07:44 <DocScrutinizer05> hxka: which of course is 100% BS, since N900 not even in hardware can make battery blow up
Jun 06 18:09:02 <dos1> and even without that, it's BS anyway, as not providing source would be actually more dangerous, as there will be always someone willing to RE that blob and reimplement it
Jun 06 18:09:13 <DocScrutinizer05> but that probably been cargo cult caution at Nokia's side. No real clue how BME works (thanks to outsourcing), and been bitten by a callback of 46mio batteries
Jun 06 18:09:18 <dos1> with source it would be much easier for him to avoid any possible dangers :P
Jun 06 18:10:55 <DocScrutinizer05> dos1: we used that argument several times, but to no success. Sth inside Nokia forbid any movement in that question, possibly again outsourcing which maybe came with some sort of liability the subcontractor accepted. And Nokia not willing to risk this
Jun 06 18:12:52 <DocScrutinizer05> think: "Hitachi not only buolds LiIon cells, they also provide charging knowhow, and warranty that their cells behave - *only* when nobody touches the charger they provide"
Jun 06 18:13:04 <DocScrutinizer05> builds*
Jun 06 18:13:38 <DocScrutinizer05> or make Hitachi Mitsubishi
Jun 06 18:13:43 <DocScrutinizer05> or seiko
Jun 06 18:13:58 <DocScrutinizer05> you name it
Jun 06 18:16:18 <DocScrutinizer05> but heck, Nokia even outright refused to tell us about *parameters* needed for sane charging, like max I, max U, max Temp etc
Jun 06 18:17:01 <DocScrutinizer05> which gives a strong indication that they most likely had no clue themselves about it
Jun 06 18:18:32 <DocScrutinizer05> some nokia affiliate once told me he had a look into BME sources and it made his eyes bleed badly
Jun 06 18:19:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and I'm more than conviced about that, given I seen bme accessing register #40 of a chip that has six registers
Jun 06 18:19:38 <kerio> it's a secret register
Jun 06 18:19:51 <DocScrutinizer05> no it's not, I checked that
Jun 06 18:20:00 <kerio> it's a REALLY secret register
Jun 06 18:20:24 <DocScrutinizer05> it's siply a mirrored addr of one of the 6 existing registers
Jun 06 18:20:25 <kerio> anyway, pali's bme is sane
Jun 06 18:20:50 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, pali's bme is based on my specs how it must work
Jun 06 18:20:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
Jun 06 21:04:33 <ShadowJK> re n900 blowing up. is that a challenge? :-)
Jun 06 21:05:37 <ShadowJK> iirc the original bl-5j used a samsung cell, 4.2V .7C recommended rate
Jun 06 22:28:49 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't make that thing blow up with a bq24150
Jun 06 22:30:07 <DocScrutinizer05> actually it's pretty hard to make a *good* cell blow up at all. Those that _can_ blow up will likely do so on most loving gentle treatment as well, sooner or later
Jun 06 22:31:56 <DocScrutinizer05> filtering out proper emails from a SEPA/IBAN transfer's comment/reference textfield that severely got garbled for each single transaction, that's *real* fun¡
Jun 06 22:33:00 <DocScrutinizer05> som eotherRubbishjoerg openmo ko.or gmorerubb ishblablab labla
Jun 06 22:34:00 <DocScrutinizer05> did you spot the joerg(AT)openmoko.org part? Why not? ;-P :-S
Jun 06 22:35:38 <DocScrutinizer05> I.E "@" gets replaced by a space, and other spaces/newlines get removed, and finally random other spaces inserted
Jun 06 22:36:07 <DocScrutinizer05> *SIGH*
Jun 06 23:36:34 <ShadowJK> and capslock?
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